The published roster for New Jersey has a Jonathan Hopping who was a private in Major John Hall's regiment and the frigate 'Fulton'. There is a Harvey Hopping who was a Sergeant in Captain Luke Carter's Company of Riflemen of the Third New Jersey Militia and a Whitfield Hopping who was a Private in the same unit. Possible relatives? I do not see the surname in the published rosters for Ohio and Pennsylvania. Do not have anything on New York. From what I've seen, the published rosters are not complete. There is a web site for Land Grants in the Illinois Military Tract: http://www.lineages.com/vault/BountyLands.asp Do not see the name you are looking for. He may be listed under a variation or mis-spelling of his name. Scott Baker -----Original Message----- From: s'dale [mailto:sheridale@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:32 AM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hopping i have tried to locate service confirmation on my ggggrandfather, gideon hopping, who was a soldier in the war of 1812. nara had no listing for him. i don't know where he enlisted from for sure (oh, pa, nj, ny) but know he was living in warren co, ohio (1817) and then greene co, ohio until he moved to illinois in 1832. we know he received federal land grants for his service in the war of 1812. why wouldn't he be on any lists? the discussion on substitutes got me wondering ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== MESSAGE HINT: Limit your per line characters to 55 to 70 for a much better return message. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The Wood County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society has a name index to the "Roster of Ohio Soldiers in the War of 1812": by surname and given name to the page number. The published roster only has a surname index. Scott Baker -----Original Message----- From: BobBalue@aol.com [mailto:BobBalue@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 2:34 AM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Ohio 1812 This might help anyone looking for their 1812 soldiers from Ohio. I received this when I was in Eaton, Ohio and the librarian looked it up for me and though I can get you to this roster of soldiers from Ohio, I don't know how you look up pacific names but anyway it shows the roster of these soldiers from Ohio. It goes by page numbers so I suppose you just have to go through it all. I believe it starts at page 20 but maybe you can figure out how to shorten the search. Here is where you go http://www.ohiohistory.org/onlinedoc/war1812/roster/1812/txt/page0001.txt ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== MESSAGE HINT: Delete all the unnecessary material before you reply or resend any message. DELETE:taglines,empty lines,etc. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This might help anyone looking for their 1812 soldiers from Ohio. I received this when I was in Eaton, Ohio and the librarian looked it up for me and though I can get you to this roster of soldiers from Ohio, I don't know how you look up pacific names but anyway it shows the roster of these soldiers from Ohio. It goes by page numbers so I suppose you just have to go through it all. I believe it starts at page 20 but maybe you can figure out how to shorten the search. Here is where you go http://www.ohiohistory.org/onlinedoc/war1812/roster/1812/txt/page0001.txt

i have tried to locate service confirmation on my ggggrandfather, gideon hopping, who was a soldier in the war of 1812. nara had no listing for him. i don't know where he enlisted from for sure (oh, pa, nj, ny) but know he was living in warren co, ohio (1817) and then greene co, ohio until he moved to illinois in 1832. we know he received federal land grants for his service in the war of 1812. why wouldn't he be on any lists? the discussion on substitutes got me wondering

Thanks for all the input. What confuses me further is that I'm not clear which way the substitution went---Was Stewart Slavins a substitute for Riggs or did he get Riggs to be a substitute. Stewart was hardly a big landowner. He was a small farmer near Mt Sterling with a sick wife (who died that year in the fall) and three young children listed under Stewart, Slavins Private -------- Who was the substitute? Slavins or Riggs? Any ideas appreciated -------------------------------- Card number, line (1) 38113873 line (2) 3875 17th Regiment (Francesco¹s) Kentucky Militia Regular muster roll paper Name: Slavins, Stewart Pvt--Capt. Simon Gillaspie¹s co. of Inf 17 reg¹t Kentucky Militia War of 1812 Company Muster Roll for ___From Feb. 8, 1815 Roll dated Camp near Newport Feb. 18, 1815 Date of appointment or enlistmen Feb. 8, 1815 To what time engaged or enlisted Aug. 8, 1815 Present or absent______ + (plus sign) Mileage from Mt Sterling to Georgetown: 40 Remarks and alterations since last return: James Rigs (sic) substitute few lines down + James Rigs appears in present column duplicate copy beside this except this line Remarks and alterations since last return: Discharged for inability --------------------------------- Here's what's on Riggs at ancestry.com RIGGS JAMES-17 REG'T (FRANCESCO'S) KENTUCKY MILTIIA.  -PRIVATE PRIVATE  Roll Box 175 Roll extr-602 ---------------------------------------------- From Karen <karermutlu@mindspring.com>---on the date of the end of the 1812 War >News of the treaty reached New York 11 February 1815 and was ratified by the >Senate 17 February. From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: Substitutes---on the subject of when Militia units disbanded > > Just because the war was officially over didn't mean that everyone kissed > and made up quickly afterwards. Large Militia units were probably kept up > for some time after the war - just in case. > A slight problem with the native population didn't help things much. They > weren't too happy either. Another possibility --on why substitutes were needed >The officers would hire any town drunk, boy, wimp or homely looking woman to >dress up like a soldier and attempt to pass himself off as a real soldier >when the Inspector General's men came to town to review the troops. >Military units would lose their status if they didn't have enough troops to >fill the ranks and the officers could lose their commissions, it was a >serious game.

The names you mention do not appear in the book: "Kentucky Soldiers in the War of 1812" published in 1891 by the state of Kentucky. The rosters that I have seen for Kentucky, Ohio and Pennsylvania do not have parents names. I notice that the Genealogical Publishing Company web site has a CD-ROM that says it has "...complete roster of soldiers who participated in the Battle of New Orleans and the War of 1812..." http://www.genealogical.com/item_detail.asp?ID=7525 You might double check with the company to see if the rosters are for all units or just those from Louisiana. Good luck. Scott Baker -----Original Message----- From: MLowrie@webtv.net [mailto:MLowrie@webtv.net] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 1:37 PM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Soldiers in Battle of New Orleans I just joined this list to locate some soldiers at the Battle of New Orleans. Where do I find a list of American soldiers there? I am looking for Benjamin (or Berriman) McDaniel of KY, Archibald Mayfield of Nash's Regiment SC, Moses Mayfield and whoever were friends to them (or in the platoon etc.) Do the rolls give parent's names? Thanks for the help.. Mildred ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== This WAR of 1812 List is sponsored by ROOTSWEB Let them know how much you appreciate our list by visiting them at: http://www.rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I just joined this list to locate some soldiers at the Battle of New Orleans. Where do I find a list of American soldiers there? I am looking for Benjamin (or Berriman) McDaniel of KY, Archibald Mayfield of Nash's Regiment SC, Moses Mayfield and whoever were friends to them (or in the platoon etc.) Do the rolls give parent's names? Thanks for the help.. Mildred

Just because the war was officially over didn't mean that everyone kissed and made up quickly afterwards. Large Militia units were probably kept up for some time after the war - just in case. A slight problem with the native population didn't help things much. They weren't too happy either. Remember the British had defeated Napoleon and were actually handily winning the war with the U.S. and were now poised to send in everything they had. ( To the U.S. the war was a huge thing - to the British it was simply a side show.) The Duke of Wellington refused to go to North America as he felt it was a senseless war from start to end and was not worth the cost. Peace was thus finally established. Fortifications were built all long the border between Canada and the U.S. for many years after the war and they were in active use for most of the 19th century. The fears on both sides lasted until well into the late 1800's. During the American Civil War Both the Canadians and the North feared war might break out between them if the British Government thought there was an advantage to invading the North in support of the South. (Keeping the Cotton Trade open for the British cotton mills was far more important to the British than repealing slavery.) After the War the Canadians feared the Americans would turn on them as well since they then had a massive army with no-one left to fight. An invasion actually did happen when the US govt supported the Irish Fenians in their bloody raids into Canada from the U.S. soon after. It was a messy terrorist campaign that lasted for some years and did little for "free trade agreements". But it did cause Canada to decide that it was time to stand up as a free nation and Canada was born as a result. Nelson Denton Who cheers his Loyalist troops onward as they pass by the front of his house to win the battle of Stoney Creek once more every year. . . The odd thing is they are only allowed to win every other year! Political Correctness strikes again!

It was very common in the 18/19th century for men to hire someone else to take their place in the military. There were a number of draft laws passed in various areas to force men to join up but many men with money or a seemingly good reason to avoid service would pay to get out of the army. There was always somebody willing to take his place for a few shillings. **Another source of substitutes was the shameful practice of having phoney soldiers called "faggots" - (-originally a bundle of sticks - later a Scare Crow used as target practice - this is where we get the vulgar term) take the place of real soldiers when a company was undermanned. The officers would hire any town drunk, boy, wimp or homely looking woman to dress up like a soldier and attempt to pass himself off as a real soldier when the Inspector General's men came to town to review the troops. Military units would lose their status if they didn't have enough troops to fill the ranks and the officers could lose their commissions, it was a serious game. Hopefully these sorry looking "Men" would "Pass the Muster" and the officers would get their commissions renewed for another year. As soon as the inspection was over the "fagots" as they were called would go back to their own lives and the officers would pocket the pay for the missing men for another year. It was a totally illegal practice but unfortunately it was very common. **A Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue by Captain Grose, Hell Fire Dick et al. 1811 A DICTIONARY OF BUCKISH SLANG, UNIVERSITY WIT, AND PICKPOCKET ELOQUENCE. This book is available free online from "Project Gutenburg" A must read by anyone over the age of consent! It is truly vulgar with every 4 letter word carefully described including it's origins. Amazingly most of the slang terms are still in common use today and we don't have a clue as to how vulgar they were 200 years ago.

He wasn't the only one. My ancestor was a substitute too.That's what it said on the NARA file. And what is stranger, he's down as a substitute for a date that followed several months after the Battle of New Orleans. The battle of New Orleans lasted from December 1814 through January 1815 What's really peculiar is that the dates on the record: Roll dated Camp near Newport [KY,I think] Feb. 18, 1815 Date of appointment or enlistmen Feb. 8, 1815 To what time engaged or enlisted Aug. 8, 1815 I know news travelled slowly, but enlisted or appointed Feb. 8, 1815? What gives? > From: "Karen Ermutlu" <karermutlu@mindspring.com> > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:53:10 -0500 > To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Substitutes > Resent-From: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:53:07 -0700 > > On Aug 23, 1812, William Harper, enlisted as a private in the Ohio Militia > from Jefferson County. His payroll slip says commencement of service to be > Aug.26 for 3 months, 6 days. HOWEVER, the Company Muster Roll for August 26 > says he was a "Substitute for Joseph Caldwell." > > One historian said no substitutes were used in the War of 1812, but I have the > muster roll slip that says so in this case. > > Will someone please comment on this. > > Karen Harper Ermutlu > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Does anyone know anything about the Roster of Ohio Soldiers in war of 1812? I've found the roster but it says Possibly from Greene Co. Ohio and then it shows a John Cottrell as pvt. being in from Aug. 22 until Sept 22 1812 then from May 25 until Nov something and was under Capt. Robert McClelland's Company. My John Cottrell was born Feb. 07, 1771 and I have sent for his records to NARA but was wondering if anyone knows if they had pentions then or do they actually show any information from NARA on this war. My John would have been in Greene Co. at this time also but I can't prove that this was my John on this roster and was wondering just how I would prove this besides NARA? I have done research at Xenia, Ohio in Greene Co. but never found anything on him there.

On Aug 23, 1812, William Harper, enlisted as a private in the Ohio Militia from Jefferson County. His payroll slip says commencement of service to be Aug.26 for 3 months, 6 days. HOWEVER, the Company Muster Roll for August 26 says he was a "Substitute for Joseph Caldwell." One historian said no substitutes were used in the War of 1812, but I have the muster roll slip that says so in this case. Will someone please comment on this. Karen Harper Ermutlu

I am searching for a list of Holsonbacks who served in War of 1812, with their unit and State. Thank you rwm@cswnet.com

Thank you so much Joan. Julius D. Clark is one of the men I'm searching for (but naturally he's only the sibling, not the direct line). Do you know of any web site or book that would tell me where these different regiments fought, which battles etc. Family history says my Elisha fought at the Battle of Plattsburg so perhaps I can narrow down the choices when I know where everyone fought. Thanks again for your help. Carol Hi Carol..I had a look at the Generations Millenium list for the War of 1812. It's a terrible program, as it doe not give enough info. Anyway, here's what they had for Elisha, Julius and Robert Clark. ELISHA P. CLARK 46 Reg't (Coxe's) NY Militia Corporal ELISHA P. CLARK 101 Reg't. (Carter's) NY Mil. Sergeant ELISHA CLARK Sumner's Reg't, VT Mil Private ELISHA CLARK 1st Reg't (Martindales) VT Mil Priv ELISHA CLARK 1 Reg't (Van Buren's) NY MIl Priv ELISHA CLARK 101 Reg't (Carter's) NY Mil Priv ELISHA CLARK 13th Reg't (Dobbins) NY Mil Priv ELISHA CLARK Benedict's Regt, NY Mil Priv ELISHA CLARK Capt. Parkel's Co, NY Volunteers Priv ELISHA CLARK Fleming's Detachment, NY Vol & Mil. Corp JULIUS C. CLARK 1st Reg't (Martindale's) VT Mil Serg. JULIUS D. Clark Reg't of Riflemen (Sept-Nov 1813) VT Volunteers- Qtr.Mster Serg. ROBERT CLARK 1st Reg't (Dodge's) NY Mil. Priv ROBERT CLARK 2nd Reg't (Van Hook's) NY Mil. Priv There is no other info on anyone on this program. Hope it helps. Joan

Coral, > I also am looking for a list of soldiers from New York/Vermont who > served in the War of 1812. My family history says that Elisha Clark > of Clarendon/Tinmouth, VT (1808) and of Peru, NY (1815) served at the > Battle of Plattsburg, NY along with his brother (either named Julius > or Robert). I can not find him listed anywhere as having been in the > war. He is not the Elisha Clark from Pawlet who served. Can anyone > help me? Carol White > >Is there a list of soldiers online for New York or Vermont that served in the >War of 1812. Family lore says our James Barker b. about 1797 served in the >War and was on the Great Lakes. I think he is the James Barker listed in the >census of St. Lawrence Co, NY in 1840. He was in Vermont 1810 and 1820. What >would be the best way to follow this lead? >Coral in California >

I have some information on Jarvis Hanks who was a drummerboy in the War of 1812. The National Archives can't find his service record but yet a local history center has some a donated copy from a gentleman who had done some research on him. Anyway, if anyone has additional information to provide I would be greatly appreciated. I am also looking for some War of 1812 societies in the Cleveland, OH area who would be willing to come out for Woodland Cemetery 150th Anniversary where we plan on having a ceremony for a military headstone for Jarvis. His current headstone is not military issued, very worn and faded, can't read at all so I decided to get him a proper military headstone. And with the assistance of the VA, they are paying the setting fee which I am very much appreciative of. Woodland Cemetery Anniversary will be a ceremony that will have all military branches and wars represented. Thanks for the help. Michelle A Day www.rootsweb.com/~ohclecem

My ancestor John Roques (misspelled Rogues) was a Musician, in the 7th Regiment Band, US Infantry, commanded by Col. William Russell. Would like to know where I might be able to find more info. on this unit. Any help appreciated. Thank you, Paula Schuler _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hello, I am new to this list. I joined to see if anyone could help me find a Colonel William Ross who served in the War of 1812. He probably joined from either NY or MA. He was Lucinda Bancroft Oaks Ross' second husband and is buried with her in Avondale Cemetery, Flint, MI. I have been unable to find anything about her first husband, Unknown Oaks except that his name was Oaks. Census says she was born in MA 22 Nov 1774. If there is a list I could search or anyone has ever heard of him, I would appreciate any help!! Marianne

I was surprised to find that my ancestor Samuel Morrison is listed at the cemetery in Beverly, West Virginia as having been in the War of 1812 in the Virginia 5th Military, He is said there to have been a sergeant in Warmsley Regiment. I am beginning to think that he may have come over as an indentured servant, and want to ask if anyone has heard of indentured servants serving in the War of 1812 and if they could work off their term that way, perhaps? If anyone has heard of Warmsley, which may be a misspelling, or knows how to track this info, please let me know. Thanks. Diane Morrison

Marrianne, Here's a long shot for you. I couldn't see a Colonel William Ross, and there is a bunch of William Ross, but decided to look for any William Ross, any rank in a Regiment with an Oaks, on the chance that this is where she met them both, being from the same area. There was only one in New York, or Massachusetts.To top it all there was two William Ross in this Regiment. 37th Regiment New York Militia (Nobles) William Ross (private) William Ross (Qr Master) Owen Oaks (private) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Carraway" <mcarraway@chartermi.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: COLONEL WILLIAM ROSS/LUCINDA BANCROFT OAKS > Hello, > > I am new to this list. I joined to see if > anyone could help me find a Colonel William Ross > who served in the War of 1812. He probably joined > from either NY or MA. He was Lucinda Bancroft > Oaks Ross' second husband and is buried with her > in Avondale Cemetery, Flint, MI. I have been > unable to find anything about her first husband, > Unknown Oaks except that his name was Oaks. > Census says she was born in MA 22 Nov 1774. If > there is a list I could search or anyone has ever > heard of him, I would appreciate any help!! > > Marianne > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR of 1812 LIST ADMINISTRATOR: > ....<commander@inetone.net>.... > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >