Can anyone tell me where I will find the New York Adjutant General Report for The War of 1812. Does anyone know if they have been microfilmed? Are there four Volumes? I am interested in the muster rolls for Albany & Delaware counties. Since I am not in NY, but live in CA this creates a problem for me to research. Appreciate any information. Caroline Villier peahill@pcinternet.net

Karen: I would appreciate a look-up on my GGGGGrandfather Thomas Erwin/Irwin. Possibly lived in Champaign Co., OH at that time. Any help appreciated; if you can't find him, I understand. Thank you, Shari in Ohio

I am interested in any record of Martin Julius Pond serving in the War of 1812. He was born 27 Dec. 1795 in Connecticut and died 2 Feb. 1864 at Concord, Morgan County, Illinois. He is mentioned on a memorial tablet on the Morgan County Courthouse as serving from Connecticut, but with no further data. He is also mentioned in a son's biography as a soldier in the War of 1812. Any help appreciated. Thanks. David Kent Coy of Decatur, IL davidkentcoy@mcleodusa.net

Karen, Would you please look up the surname SLEETH in your book of Ohio militia in the War of 1812. There should only be 1 or 2. Very nice of you to offer to do this, Thank you, Mary in Georgia, USA granmary@webtv.net Our Family Kudzu Vine http://community.webtv.net/granmary/family

I have the book "Roster of Ohio Soldiers in the War of 1812" published by Heritage Books in 1995. This is a printing of information originally gathered in 1915. These are officers and enlisted men in the Ohio Militia. If anyone would like me to look up a name, I will. This is strictly Ohio, not any other state. Karen Ermutlu

Karen, Would you please check your 1812 index for SWACKHAMER and DEMUTH. Thank you for this kind offer. Phyllis in Alaska pdmovius@gci.net

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Good" <robtgood@sbcglobal.net> To: "Rolene Kiesling" <rolene@mlode.com>; <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Brett Sovall's Service in the War of 1812 > Does anyone have information on Brett Stovall's War of 1812 Service? Thanks. > Bob Good > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > > WAR of 1812 LIST ADMINISTRATOR: > > ....<commander@inetone.net>.... > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

My ancestor served in Captain Steele's Company, 2nd Regiment, of the Tennessee Mounted Volunteers - 1814-1815. Does anyone know about this Company or Regiment? Where they originated? Where they served? Any information or suggestions where I could search for answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Edith

Please forgive me if you receive more than one of this message as a result of being subscribed to more than one mailing list. It's an important enough issue to both genealogists and the public in general that we should get the word out quickly. If the increasing trend towards closure of public records throughout the country is of concern to you, be sure to tune in to the DearMYRTLE internet radio show discussing the topic TONIGHT by visiting www.DearMYRTLE.com and call the show 1-877-638-7234 between 9-10 p.m.Eastern Standard Time in US. Below is the post relating details of the show and a post Myrtle received regarding proposed legislation now in Indiana, following on the heals of the one that came up and passed in the VA House the other day. There's another one proposed in Missouri: http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills03/member/mem115.htm It's not too late to stop either of these bills if everyone takes action. 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I've written on this earlier, but I'm still wondering. The War of 1812 militias, as far as I know, were made up of volunteers. There was no draft for militias, was there? The man I'm researching as my 4th g-grandfather has a payroll stub dated Aug. 23, 1812. A second stub is dated Aug. 26, 1812 (3 days later) and the notation is made that he is a substitute for another. These men were not related. If this was a volunteer militia (Ohio), why would a man need a substitute? Would money have exchanged hands? The families likely knew each other for years. The first record in Ohio Co. WV for my g-grandfather's family is 1788. The other family was there in 1777. Does anyone know of substitutes that were not related or know of a similar situation? I'm just trying to figure this out. Karen Ermutlu

I think you have to order the forms from them via e-mail. They come pretty quickly. Ginny

Hi Gert, NARA does have a web site: http://www.nara.gov/ I've not checked whether you can download or print forms from there or not. Andrew C. White

I have found info that indicates that Clark SKINNER was in the Roll of Capt. Dudley Farris Company of the Kentucky Militia Detached, commanded by Lt. Col. Wm. Dudley, I believe that he served in Keir's Infantry, Dudley's Refiment. He was a private, whose date of muster was 11 Mar 1813 and was engaged until 11 Sept 1813. I would like to find out more about him during his time of service.........does anyone know if that is possible or not? Can I obtain any service records?? I have checked and it doesn't appear that his wife never applied for a pension for him. Anything help of info that anyone could give me to pursue this matter further would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much, N.J.Skinner White vwhite0901@aol.com "Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past." (Deuteronomy 32:7a)

Hello listers, I am about to order Form 85 ,Pension Applications, from NARA. Is it possible that it can be downloaded from the net? Also, I need the pension application number for a Joseph Utter who served in Tenn, under Capt. Gillispie in Wear's 1st Regiment. I already have that info for my second pensioner,William R. Utter. Thank you for your help. Gert

I am searching for information on my second great grandfather WALTER H. BROOKES (BROOKS).His obit states that he was captured by the British in the War Of 1812 when he was sixteen but I haven' t been able to find anything to back it up. He lived in DC. Any help would be appreciated. Jim Brookes

Digitized images of War of 1812 Military Bounty Land Warrants can be browsed at the Sources2Go.com site at http://www.sources2go.com <http://www.sources2go.com/> . These images were digitized from the fourteen rolls of NARA M848 series microfilm. Thanks. Matthew

Hello Craig Scott, You seem to be quite versed on Loudoun and the War of 1812 and I am hoping that you will be able to offer me some direction for a further search. My ancestor - Nolan/d Hurdle has been documented as being in the War of 1812 - 1. per Ancestry.com and NARA he served in the 56 Regiment (Taylor's) Virginia Militia as a private. 2. NARA sent one Company Pay Roll and one Company Muster Roll showing him as a private in Captain S.W. Young's Company 56 Reg't Virginia Militia serving in a camp near "Balto" from Aug. 24 to Sept. 22, 1814. As you described - the Library of Virginia does not list his service (thank you for the explanation - I was curious). 3. I found in the book (ordered from Willow Bend books) "Loudoun County, VA Militia Journals 1793-1829" by Don Blincoe, Sr. that the 56th Regiment is associated with Loudoun which certainly helps pin down where he resided at the time - but he is not listed in the book. 4. I was e-mailed an abstract of Loudoun Co. VA Common Pleas dated 14 March 1826 which states: "56th Regiment Virginia Militia: Alfred Wright, Ensign. Albert Heaton, Captain. Noland Hirdle, ensign in place of William Divine. 9 Oct. 1826: on motion of Silas Marmaduke who made oath as administrator together with Samuel Wright and John P. Love Jr., his securities entered into bond...on estate of Noland Hurdle, deceased. Nancy Hurdle, wife of deceased, having relinquished her right of administration. Appraisers: Samuel Clendening, William Divine, Jos. Hough and James Copeland." I'm not quite sure what this is telling me so I am sending to the Loudoun Co. VA Circuit Court Clerk's office for a copy of the original document. I do have the abstracts (from your various Loudoun books) of the guardian records for Nolan/d Hurdle's 2 daughters and his 1826-9 will/accounts. 5. I obtained copies of the pages of interest from the book "Index to War of 1812 Pension Files" by Virgil D. White - but there was no listing for Nolan/d Hurdle or his wife Nancy Hurdle. 6. I have copies of the Tavenner Collection pages (covering Loudoun co. residents) on the Hurdle family but they offered no further information on Nolan/d Hurdle or his life before the War of 1812. My question is - do you have any suggestions for possible records to be found on Nolan/d Hurdle since he appears to be connected to the Loudoun Co., Virginia Militia from at least the War of 1812 to 1826 (if I understand the Common Pleas abstract correctly). He seems to appear "suddenly out of thin air" as a private the War of 1812 - are there any records of the militia prior to their being called into duty in 1812? Thank you for any help that you or any other list member is able to offer, Susan McIntyre Willow Bend Books - Craig R. Scott wrote: >Although one would think that both the National Archives and the Library of >Virginia would have records on each soldier, that is not the case. > >The only compiled records that the National Archives has were taken from >records, such as muster and pay rolls, in the possession of the War >Department. Usually they are for units who left the state to serve and were >paid for by the federal government. So many northern Virginia units, who >were stationed in Baltimore have records in the National Archives, but not >in the Library of Virginia. There is not a single muster roll for Loudoun >county militia in Richmond. They are all in NARA. > >The Library of Virginia has, for the most part, the muster and payrolls of >those militiamen who served in Norfolk and along the Bay, and paid for by >the state. > >Because neither senario is perfect, it is important to look in both places >for the records. > >C. > >Craig R. Scott, CGRS >Heritage Books, Inc. >Willow Bend Books >(a division of Heritage Books, Inc.) >65 East Main Street >Westminster, MD 21157-5026 > >www.WillowBendBooks.com >WillowBend@willowbend.net > > > > > > >

Although one would think that both the National Archives and the Library of Virginia would have records on each soldier, that is not the case. The only compiled records that the National Archives has were taken from records, such as muster and pay rolls, in the possession of the War Department. Usually they are for units who left the state to serve and were paid for by the federal government. So many northern Virginia units, who were stationed in Baltimore have records in the National Archives, but not in the Library of Virginia. There is not a single muster roll for Loudoun county militia in Richmond. They are all in NARA. The Library of Virginia has, for the most part, the muster and payrolls of those militiamen who served in Norfolk and along the Bay, and paid for by the state. Because neither senario is perfect, it is important to look in both places for the records. C. Craig R. Scott, CGRS Heritage Books, Inc. Willow Bend Books (a division of Heritage Books, Inc.) 65 East Main Street Westminster, MD 21157-5026 www.WillowBendBooks.com WillowBend@willowbend.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <SandiSmeee@aol.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: Cannot locate > Hello, > > I'm trying to find any information on my 3rd gr-grandfather. In the Library > of Virginia he's listed in the Muster Roll page 402. When I contacted the > NARA for his papers they couldn't find him. His name was Achillis Smith. > Can anyone tell me how I can find out anything about him. > > Thank you! > > Sandi > > ______________________________

thank you all for the responses and you've given me some new research avenues to follow up on

Achilles, Achillis, Archilles, Archillis, Killis... just a few of the variations I have discovered while researching an Achilles Stevens/Stephens. Elaine