There are names mentioned in this story of an event that happened in 1870 in the Pacific Ocean. I thought might be of interest as we don't think a lot of times that maybe our ancestor might not have been on a census but out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, far from home. I don't know where these men lived. Maybe California? Names mentioned, Murray, Read, Sicard, Talbot, Halford, Francis, Andrews, Muir and King Kamehameha Barb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.mlive.com/news/sanews/index.ssf?/base/news-7/106674787776440.xml Ship's story a colorful one Tuesday, October 21, 2003 ANDY GRIMM THE SAGINAW NEWS Marine archaeologists have found the wreckage of the USS Saginaw submerged in remote Pacific Ocean waters, but the most interesting artifact of the ship's 133-year-old story has remained in Saginaw for decades. The tale of the sinking of the USS Saginaw in 1870 reads like fiction. After the ship sunk, five crew members set out for the nearest port about 1,300 miles away aboard a 22-foot gig outfitted with makeshift sails and a homemade sextant. All but one of them died within sight of their goal, and the gig today is in storage at the Castle Museum of Saginaw County History. Castle Museum Chief Curator Sandy L. Schwan said the gig has remained in Saginaw since a crew of naval reservists offered to restore it in the 1950s. The gig, not much more than a rowboat, was on display at the Castle Museum until last year, when it went into storage. "It's an amazing story," Schwan said. "What they overcame was incredible. People like stories, and they like stories with heroes. This one definitely has those." James Murray, public affairs officer for the Fleet and Industrial Supply Center at Pearl Harbor, wrote a brief account of the ship taken from the captain's log and a version recorded by Supply Chief Lt. George H. Read. Murray said the gig was on display at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md., until it moved to Saginaw. Built at the Mare Island Naval Shipyard in California, the Saginaw was on a mission on the morning of Oct. 29, 1870, to search for castaways in the treacherous seas near Ocean Island and the Kure Atoll near Midway Island. As the ship passed through the poorly charted area on its way back to California from Midway, it struck a reef. The ship sank within minutes, but all 93 men aboard managed to row to the relative safety of Ocean Island aboard the gig and other lifeboats. The Saginaw, broken and tossed onto a reef, was beyond repair, Murray said. Read was responsible for rationing the scant supplies rescued from the wreckage. The supplies would not hold out long, even with crew members dining on the native seals and albatross on the island. Lt. Commander Montgomery Sicard had the crew, which included 80 engineers and laborers who had built a coaling station on Midway Island, modify his gig with sails and decking for a voyage to Hawaii. The small craft was designed for short trips from ship to shore. Five men volunteered to crew the gig: Lt. John G. Talbot; Coxswain William Halford; Quartermaster Peter Francis; and civilian contractors John Andrews and James Muir. Sicard and Talbot estimated the trip would take about 21 days and stocked the boat with food for 25. Three days after setting out Nov. 18, Talbot discovered much of the food was tainted with weevils or rotten. The men ate some of the food anyway, and all but Halford, who would later eat a mixture of lamp fuel and dried potatoes, became violently ill and suffered dysentery for the remainder of the voyage. After five days at sea, storms began to toss the tiny craft. The gig leaked, leaving the men soaked for days on end, and the moisture sped the rotting of the remaining food. Storm followed storm until the 24th day at sea -- one day before their food supply ran out. On the 26th day, Halford grabbed an albatross that had landed on the ship's gunwale, and later succeeded in catching several flying fish -- which the crew ate. The men soon sighted the shores of Kauai, but winds buffeted them for several days, and they had lost their oars. On the 30th day, the gig was caught in breakers and Andrew and Francis were swept overboard even as the waves drew them toward shore. Both drowned. The boat overturned and Muir was trapped under the deck, and Talbot drowned as he swam back to the boat. As another wave righted the boat, Halford jumped on deck and hauled Muir out with him. The two dove into the surf as another wave overturned the boat again. Halford pulled the exhausted Muir to shore, then swam back to the gig to retrieve what he could before he too collapsed on the beach. When he woke up, Muir was dead, likely of internal injuries, Schwan said. Halford was the sole survivor. The gig eventually washed ashore. "When you think about all they went through," Schwan said, "everything that could possibly have gone wrong did." Halford arrived in Honolulu on Christmas Eve, and King Kamehameha ordered his steamship, the Kilauea, to set sail for the wreck of the Saginaw on Christmas Day. The 88 men on the island had sustained themselves on a diet of albatross and seal, but most were suffering from severe malnutrition. After 67 days on the island they had begun to lose hope of rescue, and the dwindling albatross population was growing wary of the human guests. The joy of seeing the Kilauea's smokestack on the horizon faded quickly when the men learned of the fate of Talbot, Andrew, Francis and Muir. Halford later received the Medal of Honor. "It's a great story and it's largely unknown, even in the Supply Corps," Murray said. "I can't think of another one like it." No one from the team of naval archaeologists has contacted Schwan in search of the gig, which still is Navy property. She said the boat needs restoration work if it is to return as an exhibit. Decades of exposure to light, dry air and dust have battered it in more subtle ways than the pounding it endured at sea, she said. "It would be nice to be able to put it under a glass case," she said. t Andy Grimm is a staff writer for The Saginaw News. You may reach him at 776-9688. © 2003 Saginaw News. Used with permission

Has anyone any info on Lt>Captain>Col. Richard BULLOCK of His Majesty's 41st Foot. ~1760 Ireland - 2 Oct 1824 Ontario He served in most of the major battles in Ontario along with his son who was also named Richard and who also held the ranks of Lt. and Capt. I've been asked to do some searching for the BULLOCK family. They are not my kinfolk. I'm just helping out. Nelson --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 17-Oct-03

Patrick, I'm not the person who originated the question, however, I had been wondering the same things myself. I appreciate your clear and concise answers. They are very helpful. Cindy Nelson Kennewick, Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: Fw: Treaty of Ghent > > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > > > Brian; > (A) Treaty signed Dec24, 1814 > (B) Battle New Orleans, 8 Jan. 1815 > (C) News of Jackson's victory at New Orleans reached Washington in early > Febuary > (D) The cessation of hostilities was to occur when the treaty had been > ratified by both Countries. > (E) Congress ratified the treaty on 17 Febuary 1815 at 11:00 pm, and at > this > time the war became officially over. > In truth a naval battle also occurred during the time frame, besides misc. > attacks by British troops on US soil and the war was not over until the > treaty was ratified by BOTH parties, so if one side had elected to say no, > including the US, the war would have officially still been on, so even > though The Battle of New Orleans took place after the treaty was signed, > it > still had not been ratified, so we were still at war. Obviously London > knew > and ratified much sooner than the US, but they still faced the problem of > seeing that the news of the Treaty reached their troops in the US and > Canada. On the war of 1812 general board there is a site listed that > has 100's of 1812 books listed. > Patrick > ---- Original Message ----- > > What I am interested in is how long it took for word that the treaty > of Ghent had been accepted by both parties. > areas in the world such as > London, Washington, Halifax, Boston, etc. that > the fighting was to cease. > > > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > MESSAGE HINT: Delete all the unnecessary > material before you reply or resend any > message. DELETE:taglines,empty lines,etc. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Mary, The library suggestion is a good one. Here are some titles to seek out, and in fact you might find information on the net in regards to these people or titles, that will provide you further answers to Norfolk, Virginia. Anything about George Cockburn( Admiral of the fleet, Royal Navy)involved in the Chesapeake Bay Campaign; skirmishes and battle. Battle of Crany Island.; Hampton Virginia (1)The Jefferson Gunboat Navy, by Spencer C Tucker, U of SC press 1993 (2)The Naval War of 1812: a documentary history, edited by William Dudley,U.S. Navy Dept., Wash. D.C. Government printing office 1985. (3) Norfolk: Historic Historic Southern Port, Duke University Press 1962 I mention these as there are direct connections with Norfolk and the war of 1812. There is also a site listed in a query answer on the war of 1812 general board that lists 100's of books written on the war of 1812. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Stephenson" <dixielady33@msn.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: William Aaron Lewis > My ancestor, William Aaron Lewis served in the War of 1812, Ohio County, VA, under Bonnett at Norfolk in 1814. > Is there any data available I could research besides the one site at Norfolk (of which I can get NO response) to find out any more about Norfolk, and its part in the War and my ancestor? > Thank you > Mary > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIPTION DIRECTIONS > Warof1812-L-request@rootsweb.com UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message] > Warof1812-D-request@rootsweb.com UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message] > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> Brian; (A) Treaty signed Dec24, 1814 (B) Battle New Orleans, 8 Jan. 1815 (C) News of Jackson's victory at New Orleans reached Washington in early Febuary (D) The cessation of hostilities was to occur when the treaty had been ratified by both Countries. (E) Congress ratified the treaty on 17 Febuary 1815 at 11:00 pm, and at this time the war became officially over. In truth a naval battle also occurred during the time frame, besides misc. attacks by British troops on US soil and the war was not over until the treaty was ratified by BOTH parties, so if one side had elected to say no, including the US, the war would have officially still been on, so even though The Battle of New Orleans took place after the treaty was signed, it still had not been ratified, so we were still at war. Obviously London knew and ratified much sooner than the US, but they still faced the problem of seeing that the news of the Treaty reached their troops in the US and Canada. On the war of 1812 general board there is a site listed that has 100's of 1812 books listed. Patrick ---- Original Message ----- What I am interested in is how long it took for word that the treaty of Ghent had been accepted by both parties. > areas in the world such as London, Washington, Halifax, Boston, etc. that the fighting was to cease. > >

Dear Sirs and Madams; What I am interested in is how long it took for word that the treaty of Ghent had been accepted by both parties. As we know, the treaty was signed on Dec. 24 but the battle of New Orleans was fought weeks after this event. I am curious to find out how long it took the news to reach key areas in the world such as London, Washington, Halifax, Boston, etc. that the fighting was to cease. All the web sites that I have accessed state that peace was achieved, but not how or when it spread across the continent to stop hostilities. I've even tried accessing archives of newpapers in the areas, but this could prove very expensive as each one charges it own fees. Any assitance will be greatly appreciated. Yours Truly, Brian P. Burnham arsenchr@sympatico.ca

According to the published roster of Maryland regiments in 'The British Invasion of Maryland, 1812 - 1815' by William M. Marine (Originally published in 1899): Richards, John - Private in Captain Edes' Company, 27th Regiment Richards, John - Private in Captain Sands' Company, 22nd Regiment Richards, William - Private in Captain Boone's Company, 22nd Regiment The 22nd Regiment was raised in Anne Arundel County. The 27th Regiment was raised in Baltimore City. Scott Baker -----Original Message----- From: VLB [mailto:lyonslady@frontiernet.net] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:43 AM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Richards, John or William I was informed that John RICHARDS b. 1759 was in the War of 1812 as well as his son William b. 1781 . John was born Kent Co. DE and William was born Kent Co., MD. Can someone help me locate these boys? Need to find wife of John, and his mother. His father was also John b. about 1730 or 1740. Thanks Vicky <lyonslady@frontiernet.net> <Prayers4u@smartgroups.com> <Reandeau-L@rootsweb.com> The world is a better place for knowing you. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003 ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Libraries are good things....Try going to your local Library and asking the Reference Librarian help you find this information. If she doesn't know how, perhaps she can refer you to a library in the area of the Battle of New Orleans and then obtain the books for information you need via inter-library loan. No doubt the Library of Congress has that information and via their website you can post a query which will be answered by one of their librarians. (I don't know website address, but am sure you can find it through a general search engine). Lastly, have you tried the National Archives (NARA) to see what, if any information they have. For sure they have a place where you can post a query too. We had one of their representatives talk to us who said they encourage this type of query. Good hunting. Sandy in Calif. ----- Original Message ----- From: "christine Arsenault" <arsenchr@sympatico.ca> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: Treaty of Ghent > Dear Sirs and Madams; > > What I am interested in is how long it took for word that the treaty of Ghent had been accepted by both parties. As we know, the treaty was signed on Dec. 24 but the battle of New Orleans was fought weeks after this event. I am curious to find out how long it took the news to reach key areas in the world such as London, Washington, Halifax, Boston, etc. that the fighting was to cease. All the web sites that I have accessed state that peace was achieved, but not how or when it spread across the continent to stop hostilities. I've even tried accessing archives of newpapers in the areas, but this could prove very expensive as each one charges it own fees. Any assitance will be greatly appreciated. > > Yours Truly, > > > Brian P. Burnham > arsenchr@sympatico.ca > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > This WAR of 1812 List is sponsored by ROOTSWEB > Let them know how much you appreciate our list > by visiting them at: http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I've found that local areas (city,county & state) have wonderful books on their local history, but most of these books are found in their own local libraries. Got a couple of suggestions: 1) Go to your own local library and see if they (Reference Librarian) can help you find information on the Norwalk history -- or help you by giving you an inter-library request form which they will send to the Norwalk library. These libraries "talk" to each other and have a plan to send books back and forth for research, etc. 2) Other than that, maybe they or you can contact the Library of Congress and see what books are available for loan on your subject. 3) Go to www.ebay.com, www.alibris.com, or www.librarybooksales.com. etc., to see what they have for sale. 4) Try contacting the local or County (where Norfolk is located) Genealogical Society and see what they have -- no doubt the area historical or genealogical society is packed full of local history. Most of these County Genealogical Societies have amazing information and volunteers to help you. Small donations are helpful as they need help money to keep their doors open. Good hunting. Sandy in Calif. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Stephenson" <dixielady33@msn.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: William Aaron Lewis > My ancestor, William Aaron Lewis served in the War of 1812, Ohio County, VA, under Bonnett at Norfolk in 1814. > Is there any data available I could research besides the one site at Norfolk (of which I can get NO response) to find out any more about Norfolk, and its part in the War and my ancestor? > Thank you > Mary > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIPTION DIRECTIONS > Warof1812-L-request@rootsweb.com UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message] > Warof1812-D-request@rootsweb.com UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message] > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I was informed that John RICHARDS b. 1759 was in the War of 1812 as well as his son William b. 1781 . John was born Kent Co. DE and William was born Kent Co., MD. Can someone help me locate these boys? Need to find wife of John, and his mother. His father was also John b. about 1730 or 1740. Thanks Vicky <lyonslady@frontiernet.net> <Prayers4u@smartgroups.com> <Reandeau-L@rootsweb.com> The world is a better place for knowing you. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/2003

One of my british ancestors, a Navy Pensioner, at one time was aboard the HMS Minden (quite famous ship). The ship was built in India for the Royal Navy in 1810, it was used in the war of 1812 and stayed in use for many years after. After searching the internet for hours, I find loads of facts about this famous ship but find no photo or even a pencil sketch. Is there SKS that may be able to suggest where I might find a photo or sketch of this ship please? Sincerely, Julie Williamson Michigan USA -- Researching: MADDERN, CHAMPION, STEVENS, HODGE, KEMP and PROVIS In Cornwall BEER, LANGSFORD, HUSBAND, SMITH, ASHBY and SQUIRES In Devon and Cornwall

Regarding ships and ship information. One good source for information and conversation with other researchers is the Rootsweb email group: www.theshipslist.com Try it, you'll enjoy it. Amazing just to read the queries and the responses alone. They helped me determine which route my grandfather's ship would've taken from Liverpool to New York, etc. -- but remember, it is just one tool. Have fun with it. Sandy in Calif. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Williamson" <jpwilli@twmi.rr.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: HMS Minden > One of my british ancestors, a Navy Pensioner, at one time was aboard > the HMS Minden (quite famous ship). The ship was built in India for the > Royal Navy in 1810, it was used in the war of 1812 and stayed in use for > many years after. > After searching the internet for hours, I find loads of facts about this > famous ship but find no photo or even a pencil sketch. > > Is there SKS that may be able to suggest where I might find a photo or > sketch of this ship please? > > Sincerely, > Julie Williamson > Michigan USA > > -- > Researching: MADDERN, CHAMPION, STEVENS, HODGE, KEMP and PROVIS In Cornwall > BEER, LANGSFORD, HUSBAND, SMITH, ASHBY and SQUIRES In Devon and Cornwall > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR of 1812 LIST ADMINISTRATOR: > ....<commander@inetone.net>.... > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My ancestor, William Aaron Lewis served in the War of 1812, Ohio County, VA, under Bonnett at Norfolk in 1814. Is there any data available I could research besides the one site at Norfolk (of which I can get NO response) to find out any more about Norfolk, and its part in the War and my ancestor? Thank you Mary

Is there a history of Freeman's Squadron Cavalry in the War of 1812. Where was this unit signed up? Looking for John M. Flinn. Dorothy

Dorothy, Here is a John Flinn in the stated Georgia Militia. There is no middle initial listed. His # is Roll Box 72, Roll Record # 1947. Also serving in this Regiment was a William Flinn, # 72-1975. As I have the time I will enter some info on this Regiment; Captains etc. on the Rootsweb.com Message Board, Other Topics, Military, war of 1812, Georgia. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: <JBC1019@aol.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: Freeman's Sqd > Is there a history of Freeman's Squadron Cavalry in the War of 1812. Where > was this unit signed up? > > Looking for John M. Flinn. > > Dorothy > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > MESSAGE HINT: Limit your per line characters > to 55 to 70 for a much better return message. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Donna, What exactly are you interested in finding out about this Regiment. Have you obtained his CMSR file? Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: <DonnaEldrid@aol.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA MILITIA > Hi, > > I am researching a Jeremiah RANDOLPH that served in the War of 1812. > > Just came across the following: > > Jeremiah RANDOLPH - 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA MILITIA. > > Looking for further information on the 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA MILITIA. > > Thanks, > > Donna Eldridge > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR of 1812 LIST ADMINISTRATOR: > ....<commander@inetone.net>.... > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, I am researching a Jeremiah RANDOLPH that served in the War of 1812. Just came across the following: Jeremiah RANDOLPH - 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA MILITIA. Looking for further information on the 4 REGIMENT JONES' GA MILITIA. Thanks, Donna Eldridge

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Hello. I was wondering if anyone has any history on the role Vermont played in the War of 1812? Is there any good reference books about Vermont's role and that may list volunteers from Vermont? Thanks in advance. Jill

Hello all, I haven't posted much since the publishing of the Assize Court records (1813-1818) about one year ago to this date (can't remember if I posted here or not?) This is just a friendly notice that I will be moving from Toronto Ontario Canada, to join my loving wife Brenda (married Aug 22nd 2003) in St. Catharines Ontario to settle and further my research and historical writings about ancestoral family and adventures. Truly looking forward to this new chapter in my own life, and explore my childhood community with a new eye for details. Warmest Regards Murray McCombs (Researching MACOMB and all varients)