Morning, List: I have come across some old research I inherited. GAR and GAW is listed with many names. What do these post nominals mean? Kale Liam HOBBES Edmonton, Alberta CANADA _________________________________________________________________ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

For those of you who have not noticed the ads.... The History Channel will be presenting "The War of 1812" on Sunday, September 12 at 9pm/8c. For a history of the war - http://www.historychannel.com/1812/ it includes a timeline, multimedia presentation, resources, etc. (when reading the timeline covering 1807-1815 watch for the down arrows at the right corner of the story - they enable you to scroll down to the remainder of the page).

Bonjour, Is there a "best" or even "good" web site or published work where one can find an individual soldier's name and outfit? All I have is a reference that particular persons I am researching "served in the War of 1812" Thanks for any help. Albert Albert Edward Belanger 128 Middle Road Brentwood, NH 03833 skipb@rcn.com Researching: 1851 Oregon Trail --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/04

This list does do that I think. You might also try "Upper-Canada-L" " United- Empire-Loyalists-L, Loyalists-L , and Niagara-Ont-L You can find them all at Rootsweb. also try the Olive Tree Genealogy http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/mil/1812/index.shtml All deal with that period of time in Canada. Nelson Denton Hamilton Ont.

Linda, I thought I'd better break up my response into two parts, the brief part, and the verbose part about British/Canadian records. This particular accession from NB looked particularly relevant to your question about medals awarded to 1st Essex (Canadian militia) and Isaac Ferris for service at Detroit. Archives of Ontario Loyalist Collection at the University of New Brunswick HARRIET IRVING LIBRARY http://www.lib.unb.ca/collections/loyalist/index.html MIC-Loyalist FC LSC .O5A7H5C6 Militia Prize and Pay Lists of soldiers who served in the capture of Fort Detroit, including 1st Essex Militia, 41st and 49th Regiments of Foot, Newfoundland Fencibles and the Staff at Fort Detroit * * * In reply to your first e-mail; being a descendant of a British civilian who emmigrated to Montreal in 1812, I too search the British & Canadian records, scanning for clues of my ancestor's four years in Montreal during the war and subsequent land grant to Perth. I've been subscribing to the list for about a year and a half, maybe longer. I think that although this list posts mostly questions about American Wof12 records, that there are so many good researchers and bibliographic references cited that it should make subscription worthwhile. Whereas American descendants have to cast a wide net for published material, an ideal use for listservs, British/Canadian records are a little bit more centralized early on in the search. There certainly are some Canadian records buried deep somewhere though, so we need help in latter stages. War of 1812 history can be pretty important for descendants of political type emmigrants and non-conformists, because they were the buffer zone that was created to protect early Canada from the U.S., and their only reward was land grants - some of the land was worthless and there were many transactions up to about 1822 when military supervision was lifted from the settlements, followed by many patent issues into the early 30's. Land was granted for military civilian settlement under military provisions until 1826. While British records for troop command are held almost entirely at Canada NA Record Group 8, including troop counts and correspondence of command (Provost), there may be Canadian militia records and history acquired to provincial archives with the same point of origination. I've noticed that people that are familiar with RG8 at NA are pretty familiar with militia research at provincial level as well, because it's a hot topic. British line regiment records as you probably know, are kept at the PRO Kew (England) for individual service records - I think it's safe to assume that your Ferris' records are not at Kew since they were militia. Regards to your second email, regards Isaac Ferris, the Essex (Canada) Militia (not to be confused with the British Essex) records would probably originate from Canadian National Archives RG-8 series C, but I'm guessing that they are actually held at provincial level (i.e. Ontario Archives) level, or records that were generated from provincial administration, or records that originate from Loyalist lists such as the NB list above acquired via OA. NA records tend to list troop returns and broader statistical and historical accounts. There is lots of reading about Amherstburg because it generated a lot of history. The 1st Flank company which your ancestor was a part of was a hand picked unit of about 60 men, chosen from (at that early stage) a largely untrained Essex (Canadian) Militia. They got busy pretty early. Some other factoids that I picked up googling the web; - Matthew Elliott (a colorful character) was the name of one of the leaders at/around/near Amherstburg according to some web resources. (matches your email) - As per http://www.collectionscanada.ca/military/h13-5019-e.html "Barbara Wilson's index to the Military General Service Medal rolls is a most useful guide." I'd be curious to find out how your ancestor was awarded a medal - was it listed as general service, was the entire unit awarded, and if it was in Flank company service - if you have success I hope you can share it with us. I'm also curious if he lived in the U.S., Canada, or both - perhaps Detroit prior to 1796. It's always interesting to see how accurate newspaper accounts are. Regards, Bill Thompson Washington State US ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom and Linda Phillips" <tdlp@core.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: Isaac Ferriss in the 1st Essex Militia > I have a story about Isaac Ferris that I wonder if there's a way to verify. He was a private in the 1st Flank Company of the 1st Regiment of the Essex Militia. William Caldwell was the Captain. His brother, John Ferris, was a Corporal. > > From the Amherstburg Echo (Oct. 22, 1875): > > Isaac Ferris, Potleg; age eighty-two; enrolled at Amherstburg, 1812; Colonel Elliott's battalion; Captain Caldwel's company; discharged 1813. Engaged at the battles of Detroit, Raisin and Miami siege; not wounded; received medal. > John Ferris, Colchester; age eighty two years; enrolled at Malden, 1812; Colonel Elliott's battalion; Captain Wm. Caldwell's company; discharged 1815. Engaged in the battle of Brownstown, Mich., not wounded. > > From the Amherstburg Echo (Sept. 7,1934): > > "...Mr. Ferris (Isaac) was a soldier during the war of 1812, a member of the troop at Fort Malden commanded by General Sir Isaac Brock. One night General Brock told his soldiers that there were some spies on Bois Blanc and asked for volunteers to swim the river in the dark and surround them. Mr. Ferriss along with one other volunteered to undertake the task and did it so well at the risk of their lives by drowning and by rifle fire, that they both received beautifully engraved medals from Queen Victoria when she came to the throne. His medal is still a treasured possession of the Ferriss family at Harrow." > > Isaac Ferris is on the "List of Militia of Upper Canada who Received the General Service Medal for Fort Detroit in 1847" (Soldiers of the King: The Upper Canadian Militia 1812-1815" by William Gray) > > Interesting story. Would there be any documentation for the reason he received the medal? > > I also found a reference that Isaac Feriss applied for a claim from the US House of Representatives. It was the 22nd Congress, 1st Session, Private Land Claim, pg 173 of the Journal. The nature of the claim : Benefit of acts for the relief of Canadian volunteers. Anyone know what I'd request at the Archives to obtain this record or be able to look it up for me? Thanks, Linda > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I have a story about Isaac Ferris that I wonder if there's a way to verify. He was a private in the 1st Flank Company of the 1st Regiment of the Essex Militia. William Caldwell was the Captain. His brother, John Ferris, was a Corporal. From the Amherstburg Echo (Oct. 22, 1875): Isaac Ferris, Potleg; age eighty-two; enrolled at Amherstburg, 1812; Colonel Elliott's battalion; Captain Caldwel's company; discharged 1813. Engaged at the battles of Detroit, Raisin and Miami siege; not wounded; received medal. John Ferris, Colchester; age eighty two years; enrolled at Malden, 1812; Colonel Elliott's battalion; Captain Wm. Caldwell's company; discharged 1815. Engaged in the battle of Brownstown, Mich., not wounded. From the Amherstburg Echo (Sept. 7,1934): "...Mr. Ferris (Isaac) was a soldier during the war of 1812, a member of the troop at Fort Malden commanded by General Sir Isaac Brock. One night General Brock told his soldiers that there were some spies on Bois Blanc and asked for volunteers to swim the river in the dark and surround them. Mr. Ferriss along with one other volunteered to undertake the task and did it so well at the risk of their lives by drowning and by rifle fire, that they both received beautifully engraved medals from Queen Victoria when she came to the throne. His medal is still a treasured possession of the Ferriss family at Harrow." Isaac Ferris is on the "List of Militia of Upper Canada who Received the General Service Medal for Fort Detroit in 1847" (Soldiers of the King: The Upper Canadian Militia 1812-1815" by William Gray) Interesting story. Would there be any documentation for the reason he received the medal? I also found a reference that Isaac Feriss applied for a claim from the US House of Representatives. It was the 22nd Congress, 1st Session, Private Land Claim, pg 173 of the Journal. The nature of the claim : Benefit of acts for the relief of Canadian volunteers. Anyone know what I'd request at the Archives to obtain this record or be able to look it up for me? Thanks, Linda

I joined this list because I couldn't find a list that dealt with Canadian soldiers in the War of 1812. Is this the list for that subject or is there another one? Thanks, Linda

To the War of 1812 list: Does anybody have any detailed information on the 21st Maryland Infantry Regiment? It was commanded by Lt. Col. Philip Reed. In 1814, they fought the Battle of Caulk's Field, in Kent County, Md., near Chestertown, the county seat of Kent County. Kent County, is on the Eastern Shore of Maryland; it touches the Chesapeake Bay. I have some general history on the engagement, from some Internet sources and Robert S. Quimby's, "The U.S. Army in the War of 1812: An Operational and Command Study (Michigan State University Press, East Lansing, Mich., 1997). An up and coming British Naval Officer, Capt. Sir Peter Parker, commanded a naval unit that had been attacking targets in the Chesapeake Bay area. He was ordered to rejoin the main British fleet, but reportedly said: "I must first have a frolic with the Yankees." Capt. Sir Parker landed a unit of about 260 troops in Kent County, Md. Lt. Col. Reed had a force of 170 men. An experienced commander from the Revolutionary War, he built a strong defensive position near Mr. Caulk's house. His unit repulsed several furious British charges. The Americans suffered only three soldiers with light wounds (although what was a "light wound" in an era without antibiotics?); in contrast, the British lost nine immediately dead, and nine wounded. Of the nine wounded, six passed away later. Capt. Sir Parker was among the subsequent dead; he was wounded in the leg, but he did not think it to be a grave injury. However, he bled to death. Capt. Sir Parker's body was apparently transported back to the U.K., preserved in rum. At his funeral, he was eulogized by his cousin, Lord Byron. My great++++ grandfather, Elijah Willis, fought as an enlisted man in the unit. Prior to serving in the War of 1812, Lt. Col. Reed was an officer in the War of Independence. In addition, before the War of 1812, Reed was a U.S. Senator, who proposed an Amendment to the Constitution that would have prohibited Americans from receiving princely titles from foreign powers. The Amendment may have been ratified by enough states-- but somehow, it just got lost in the historical process. It is sometimes referred to as the "real" 13th Amendment (no slight to the powerful Amendment that abolished slavery in our land). After the War of 1812, Reed became a member of the House of Representatives. He may be one of the few people to have gone from Senator to Congressman. Also, after the war, Reed was promoted to the rank of Brig. Gen. Apparently, battlefield promotions were liberally granted in this era. Thanks. Bill Volonte William J. Volonte Attorney at Law 117 Central Avenue Hackensack, NJ 07601-4207 Tel.: (201) 883-0777; Fax: (201) 883-0767 H: (201) 659-4941; Cell: (201) 780-4327 E-Mail: H: volonte@promail.com; O: volonte@qmail.com

Is Captain Pinney listed in the DAR records as a "Patriot"? just curious Kale Hobbes in Canada From: "Ginny and Ike" <ebeachbums@worldnet.att.net> To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: War of 1812 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:38:57 -0400 Thanks for your suggestions and help, Shirley. I may have better luck now that I know the Captain's name was Levi Pinney, not Levi Penney as shown in the reference book. Ginny ----- Original Message ----- From: ShirBoy@aol.com To: ebeachbums@worldnet.att.net Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: War of 1812 This book may list your ancestor's company. The Incredible War of 1812: A Military History by J. Mackay Hitsman. It is available through Amazon.com. Shirley Boyd ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== MESSAGE HINT: Limit your per line characters to 55 to 70 for a much better return message. ============================== _________________________________________________________________ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

Bonjour, Three folks who were in the War of 1812 were Amos BLANCHARD, Asa BLANCHARD, and Samuel Abbot FROST (great-grandfather of the poet, Robert Frost). Anyone have any idea how to get more info on their service with no info to go on? Gratefully, Albert Albert Edward Belanger 128 Middle Road Brentwood, NH 03833 skipb@rcn.com Researching: 1851 Oregon Trail --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/04

Dear Patrick and Murray, As you have both been so kind as to share information on the Naval portion of the War, I am wondering if you or any other member of the list can shed light on the following which also relates to United States navigation. Our family has a large parchment certificate signed by Andrew Jackson.[who was a national hero during the War of 1812]. However, this item is from the period when he was president of the United States (1829-1837), probably around 1836 or 1837 as Asbury Dickens was acting Secretary of State from 1836-1861. "By the President of the United States of America SUFFER the -------------------------------master or commander of the burthen of -------------- tons or thereabouts mounted with ---------------- guns navigated with --------------- men TO PASS with her Company , Passengers, Goods and Merchandise without any hinderance, seizure or molestation, the said ---------------- appearing by good testimony to belong to one or more of the Citizens of the United States and to him or them only. Given under my Hand and the Seal of the United States of America the --------day of ---------------in the year of our Lord ------ thousand------------hundred and ------------. Handwritten signature: Andrew Jackson By the President Handwritten signature: Asbury Dickens, Acting Secretary of State State of ---------------------- District of ----------------------- Countersigned by ------------------ There is a circular seal surrounded by a sunlike trim. QUESTION: To whom would this have been presented and why was one required to have one? As it is not filled in, I do not know why we have the document. Note: My ggg grandmother, Grizell Yancey Alston [Mrs. James] was Asbury Dickens' aunt. Any insights that anyone can provide re this document will be greatly appreciated! Eugenia Hobday From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Information on Naval Battles & Records > Claire, > The easiest way currently is to obtain one of the many books written on the > Naval portion of the War. Some are vary vague and others offer some good > detail, but you are always at the mercy of the author and his interpretation > of the events when the original sources are not viewed by yourself. The > bibliographies themselves are worth the effort and may lead you to the > information you seek. > Patrick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gen67@bellsouth.net> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 7:54 AM > Subject: Information on Naval Battles & Records > > > >I would be interested in an easy way to get Naval records for War of 1812. > >I have not tried anything yet but my ancestor served most of his time in > >the Lake Erie area, (I think). The wife in her application for bounty > >lands did not have enough info, so I may not either. I was successful in > >getting records of a relative who served in Delaware area in 1812 from > >NARA. > > > > Claire > > > > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > > WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General > > > > > > ============================== > > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > MESSAGE HINT: Limit your per line characters > to 55 to 70 for a much better return message. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

This link will take you to Ben Lossing's War of 1812 illustrated accounts. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/Lossing2/Contents.html He documents many obscure events of the war and may mention naval engagements in Georgia. The Naval sections are in a few chapters. Theodore Roosevelt also wrote a book on War of 1812 Naval engagements. I would think that once the engagement and ship can be determined and whether the ship was a state marine or federal marine, this may help point the way to actual record locations. Good Luck and enjoy. Murray -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Claire, The easiest way currently is to obtain one of the many books written on the Naval portion of the War. Some are vary vague and others offer some good detail, but you are always at the mercy of the author and his interpretation of the events when the original sources are not viewed by yourself. The bibliographies themselves are worth the effort and may lead you to the information you seek. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: <gen67@bellsouth.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: Information on Naval Battles & Records >I would be interested in an easy way to get Naval records for War of 1812. >I have not tried anything yet but my ancestor served most of his time in >the Lake Erie area, (I think). The wife in her application for bounty >lands did not have enough info, so I may not either. I was successful in >getting records of a relative who served in Delaware area in 1812 from >NARA. > > Claire > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General > > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ >

I would be interested in an easy way to get Naval records for War of 1812. I have not tried anything yet but my ancestor served most of his time in the Lake Erie area, (I think). The wife in her application for bounty lands did not have enough info, so I may not either. I was successful in getting records of a relative who served in Delaware area in 1812 from NARA. Claire

Read the article at http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx?storyid=22045 Eileen Babb McAdams Baldwin County American History and Genealogy Project Baldwin County GaGenWeb Hancock County American History and Genealogy Project Wilkinson County American History and Genealogy Project

Does anyone have any ideas on getting info about US ships blown up, naval battles, etc? A G or GG grandfather of my husband's was a lone survivor of a blown up boat who survived 3 weeks "on a dead dog floating by". He would have been 17 years old at the time, and was from Georgia. Family legend does not say where ( at sea, in a bay or harbor, in a river, etc.) this happened or who rescued him after the 3 weeks. I am thinking that his boat (or ship) may have been listed as lost with all on board. I do not have his name although it's a 50% chance it was Williams. Seems like all the posts are about army people, although I always thought the War of 1812 was a NAVAL war. Any feedback, folks??? Caroline Williams

Thanks for your suggestions and help, Shirley. I may have better luck now that I know the Captain's name was Levi Pinney, not Levi Penney as shown in the reference book. Ginny ----- Original Message ----- From: ShirBoy@aol.com To: ebeachbums@worldnet.att.net Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: War of 1812 This book may list your ancestor's company. The Incredible War of 1812: A Military History by J. Mackay Hitsman. It is available through Amazon.com. Shirley Boyd

Anyone interested in Ft. Meigs should check out the Ohio Historical Society's website for information on an upcoming event at that location. http://www.ohiohistory.com/ Shirley Boyd

Can anyone help me on how to procede in sending for information on my gggggrandfather's pension and/or service in the War of 1812? I have information that appears in a book called Ashland County Research Aid #5, Perry Township claiming that the information was abstracted from the Veteran's Burial Records in the Recorder's Office of the Ashland County Courthouse. The person in the Recorder's Office at the Ashland County Courthouse says that Henry is not listed in their records and to try Wayne County because Ashland wasn't formed until 1846. The Wayne County people I spoke with don't have this Henry Zimmerman either. I also know that Henry didn't move to Ohio until around 1823 and so he probably fought in a PA company. Here is what was in the Ashland book about my Henry Zimmerman: Henry Zimmerman b. July 17, 1792 d. Nov. 20, 1874 Army War of 1812 Capt. Levi Penney's Co. Ancestry.com has two Henry's 2nd Regiment (Ritscher's) Pennsylvania Mil and 3 Regiment (LeFevre's) Pennsylvania Mil How should I procede to find out if Capt. Levi Penney's Co. was part of one of the PA regiments or can I send for the records based just on the information that he was in Capt. Levi Penney's Co.? Thanks for any help, Virginia Thoma When I loo

Virginia, Captain Levy Penny was in Colonel Duncan Mcarthur's Ohio Volunteers and Militia. Also in this Regiment was a Henry Zimmerman, roll # 234 record # 2756 in the NARA. Before you write for his CMSR records, Henry Zimmerman was also listed in other Companies and possibly in other Ohio Regiments as well. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginny and Ike" <ebeachbums@worldnet.att.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: Captain Levi Penney's company > Can anyone help me on how to procede in sending for information on my > gggggrandfather's pension and/or service in the War of 1812? > > I have information that appears in a book called Ashland County Research > Aid #5, Perry Township claiming that the information was abstracted from > the Veteran's Burial Records in the Recorder's Office of the Ashland > County Courthouse. > > The person in the Recorder's Office at the Ashland County Courthouse says > that Henry is not listed in their records and to try Wayne County because > Ashland wasn't formed until 1846. > > The Wayne County people I spoke with don't have this Henry Zimmerman > either. I also know that Henry didn't move to Ohio until around 1823 and > so he probably fought in a PA company. > > Here is what was in the Ashland book about my Henry Zimmerman: > Henry Zimmerman > b. July 17, 1792 > d. Nov. 20, 1874 > Army > War of 1812 > Capt. Levi Penney's Co. > > Ancestry.com has two Henry's > 2nd Regiment (Ritscher's) Pennsylvania Mil > and > 3 Regiment (LeFevre's) Pennsylvania Mil > > How should I procede to find out if Capt. Levi Penney's Co. was part of > one of the PA regiments or can I send for the records based just on the > information that he was in Capt. Levi Penney's Co.? > > Thanks for any help, > Virginia Thoma > > When I loo > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > This WAR of 1812 List is sponsored by ROOTSWEB > Let them know how much you appreciate our list > by visiting them at: http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >