Jim, You can not order from the National Archives online. It is easy and fast. Here is the address: https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonline/start.swe?SWECmd=Start Regards, Virginia

Jim, Send off to the National Archives. I found my War of 1812 ancestor this way. The National Archives has a website that explains how to do it. Bill Volonte William J. Volonte Attorney at Law 117 Central Avenue Hackensack, NJ 07601-4207 Tel.: (201) 883-0777; Fax: (201) 883-0767 H: (201) 659-4941; Cell: (201) 780-4327 E-Mail: H: volonte@promail.com; O: volonte@qmail.com

I am very interested in the War of 1812 particulary as it pertains to the great State of Virginia, (Norfolk, and Craney Island). I believe I have several relatives who were involved in the war but am not sure how I can go about determining whether the names are actually my relations, although the timeline is certainly right on target. The two were brothers, Benjamin Baines (Bains) and Amos Baines (Banes). Benjamin Bains served in Capt Littleton Lanier's Co, Second Regiment, Virginia Militia from 1 Sep - 11 Sep 1814. Amos Banes served in Capt. Jeremiah Rawls' Company - 59th Regiment. In addition to the internet sites I have purchased a copy of Family Tree Maker's CD titled, "Virginia in the Revolution and War of 1812, Military Records". The information on the CD seems very sketchy. Are there any other sources I can go to find information on these veterans of the war or these particular military organizations? Sincerely, Jim Baines Copperas Cove, TX (originally, Suffolk, VA)

Anyone have a web site or information on THOMAS MCDONAUGH'S crew? Jennie

does anyone have an index that might list SC soldiers in the war of 1812? I`m pretty sure my 3rd grt grandfather, Abraham Walker and a bro., Alexander Walker, were in that war and received land grants My ancestor returned to Wlliamson Co. Tn. by 1820 but Alexnder Walker may have stayed in S.C. 1830. Abraham seems to have come to Clarke Co. Al. by 1830 and he and his wife died there and left wills 1832 and 1842 respectfully. (I`m writing from memory on those dates). Thanks Sue in Al.

Sir; You might like to try the Library of Virginia for your Land Grant Certificates at lva.lib.va.us/ Getting lumbered with a first name like Wadlington makes me think he fought well-and often. Hope this helps as the library has info on other states as well. Deep in the bowels of my computer lurks snother site that is helpful with TN and KY as well but it is going to take a bit of digging to find. Will forward when I find it. Good luck. ===== Dum spiro spero __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

My Ancestor Wadlington Wall fought for the 4th Regiment of East Tennessee Militia. Is there any way to find out if they were actually involved in any particular battles? I can only find abbreviated information about this Regiment, but would like to find more: War of 1812 under COLONEL SAMUEL BAYLESS DESIGNATION: 4th Regiment of East Tennessee Militia MEN MOSTLY FROM: Washington, Jefferson, Carter, Claiborne, Cocke, Grainger, Greene, and Sullivan Counties CAPTAINS: Joseph Bacon, John Brock, James Churchman, Joseph Goodson, Joseph Hale, Solomon Hendricks, Branch Jones, James Landen, Joseph Rich, Jonathan Waddle BRIEF HISTORY: This regiment, along with Colonel William Johnson's Third Regiment and Colonel Edwin Booth's Fifth Regiment, defended the lower section of the Mississippi Territory, particularly the vicinity of Mobile. They protected the region from possible Indian incursions and any British invasion. These regiments were under the command of Major General William Carroll. They manned the various forts that were located throughout the territory: Fort Claiborne, Fort Decatur, and Fort Montgomery, for example. Sickness was rampant in this regiment and the desertion rate was high. The regiment mustered in at Knoxville and was dismissed at Mobile. I would also like to know if anyone has Access to an Index for Bounty Land Warrants? I feel he may have received one, as he relocated from East Tennessee to Missouri sometime between 1840-1850. Missouri, Arkansas and Illinois were 3 states where the early bounty land warrants were issued to Soldiers. Also, is it worth ordering War of 1812 Military Records? Will there be any other information other than what regiment he was mustered in? I have done genealogy for years, but recently have been finding more and more ancestors who fought in the War of 1812, but have yet to order any military records. Thanks Joel H. Hutto Houston Texas

Does anyone have an ancestor that was in this battle of Mississinewa? This battle took place on Dec. 17,18, 1812. Our ancestor that served in this war and served in the battle was Hillyard Hicks/Hix. There is a neat website online about this battle, if you would like to go to it. http://www.mississinewa1812.com/ They have a yearly Living History weekend, this weekend. Oct.8,9,and 10th in Marion Co. Ind. Sounds like a fun time. Happy Researching the war of 1812. Virginia

I find Ben Lossing's illustrated history on the War of 1812 quite good details on areas of the war not normally covered in broader histories. Also great detail on events leading up to the war and details about the Treaty that ended the war. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/Lossing2/Contents.html Murray -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

I am new to this war stuff. Can anyone share information on where to look, good websites, etc that has information on different companies, battalions, etc. I have names of Officers that my ancestors served under but just can't find information. Janean

Genealogy researching my 4th.-Great-Grandfather-Pvt. NICHOLAS CISLER. Born; 1788 Pennsylvania died; 1853 in Washington County,Ohio. Looking for his place of birth and what county in Pennsylvania he served from in Pa. He served under Lt. Joshua Haire's Company 11th. Company 1st. Rifle Regiment under the Command of Col. Thomas Humphrey at Camp Snyder Oct. 13th.1814. Also served under Capt. William Magill's Company 16th. section of rifleman, under the Command of Col. Thomas Humphrey at Camp Dupont Nov. 13th. 1814. Does any one know where these camps were,and what county this command was from? Thanks for any information. Tony....... James Anthony"Tony"Keltz,Sr.(Ancestral genealogist) 445 Belmont Ave.Wilmington,Ohio U.S.A. 45177-2824.Ph:1-(937)382-7744. or e-mail; tonykeltzsr@webtv.net / tkeltz445@yahoo.com / KELTZ, & Related Families Association./ a non-profit genealogy researching Org./ "FREE GENEALOGY"------P.S.-Always looking forward to hearing from long lost cousins!

test of email to the War of 1812 list. William J. Volonte Attorney at Law 117 Central Avenue Hackensack, NJ 07601-4207 Tel.: (201) 883-0777; Fax: (201) 883-0767 H: (201) 659-4941; Cell: (201) 780-4327 E-Mail: H: volonte@promail.com; O: volonte@qmail.com

My ggg grandfather, Jordan N. Peters, served in the War of 1812 as a private in Captain Robert Hairston's Company of VA Militia. Source is p. 1415 "Index to War of 1812 Pension Files Volume III: N-Z, " transcribed by Virgil D. White. In what battles/skirmishes did the outfit participate? Sincerely, Mike Peters npeters102@aol.com

To be sure, who won the war can be a puerile and inflammatory exercise for some, but it was far from irrelevant then or now. The job of historians is not just to enumerate "facts", but to ask "why", to analyse cause and effect, to sort "truth" from myth, and to propose lessons for the future. It is rather ironic that the survival of nation-states is usually seen as being dependent on lies and myths rather than an informed citizenry. The history taught in schools is actually the mythology deemed necessary to foster civic loyalty, pride and duty. That accounts for the diverging US, Canadian and British "views" today concerning the War of 1812. Those views perpetuate stances taken immediately after the war. Historians take into account all views because perception is as important as reality and shapes both a war and all subsequent history. The defeated go through an agonizing process of justification and reconstructing myth (sometimes going so far as pretending to be victors). The victors likewise congratulate themselves on the god-given success of a moral crusade (which is no less a myth). Walt Borneman wrote of his book "The War That Forged a Nation". I presume he means the US. It is true that the war was of major importance in shaping the US, but since it was eventually eclipsed by the far more important wars against Mexico and between the States, the war of 1812 was probably of greater enduring importance in forging Canadian identity and institutions. Bill Volonte wrote, "the British wanted to lop-off, and take, the northern part of Maine ... The British never achieved this goal." Actually they did. When the war in Europe ended in 1814 and the British were able to give the American war more attention, they decided that occupying northern Maine's unpopulated expanses was pointless and that seizing coastal points at Castine, Machias and Eastport would have the same effect. The locals capitulated almost without any opposition and happily considered themselves re-absorbed into the British Empire since they never wanted the war in the first place. The British held the region until war's end. The major American complaint leading to war, namely the impressment of sailors, was not addressed in the concluding Treaty of Ghent. Had the renewed war in Europe continued after Napoleon's hundred days, the British had every intention of continuing to irritate the Americans in order to meet their manpower needs. Despite the bizarre and surprising victory at New Orleans, the US was in no position to renew war against Britain. While American survival was a victory of sorts, the British never sought to reconquer and recolonise the US. Their aim was to give the US a drubbing, and after surprising themselves with the ease of taking and burning Washington (in retaliation for the American burning of York [Toronto] -- something rarely mentioned in US mythology), they decided to move on to a more economically significant target, namely Baltimore. While the Americans may have thought they were fighting for their very survival, the British were far from engaged in a fight to the death. Their intent was to harass at little expense to themselves. When Fort McHenry failed to fall after a night's bombardment, the British considered further assault on Baltimore too costly -- i.e. not worth any British casualties. If conquest and occupation had been imperative, they would have pursued the objective and almost certainly succeeded. Likewise, defeat at New Orleans did not deter the very same British force from looking for another target of opportunity as a bargaining chip. They were poised to take Mobile when they heard the war was over. Mythology says everybody won the war of 1812. Conventional wisdom says it was a stalemate. The reality is more complex than facile arguments. But seeking an objective answer to the question of who won broadens the mind, and that is quite salutory for peace and understanding. regards, T.F. Mills tfmills@regiments.org (Denver, Colorado, USA) Land Forces of Britain, the Commonwealth and Empire: http://www.regiments.org British Empire/Commonwealth Forces discussion group: http://topica.com/lists/Emp-Comm-Forces

My gggrandfather, Thomas Wannall, served with the 1st Regiment of the District of Columbia Militia. Where can I find out about the history of this unit? Thanks, Steve Wannall.

The War of 1812 was a draw as far the exchange of territory goes. Someone previously stated that the Americans didn't meet their military objective, but the British met theirs, which is very accurate. However, it was the post war era that would be the determining win. The British wasted their advantage, and by a quirk of irony, the Americans rose to claim theirs. I have written previously about the Upper Canadian Bloody Assize Court of 1813-1818 and records that I had discovered, which were locked away in a vault until 1953, to be promptly misfiled until my discovery in 2001. In conjunction I researched the US Congressional record, to find that at the end of the War of 1812, 10,000 Canadians claimed refugee status in the US, of which this became a heated three day debate within Congress. Up to that time, Congress had declined to offer land grants to it's officers and soldiers for their service. Once Congress decided to grant land warrants to these Canadian refugees, it was almost unanimous that the US should readress this issue of land grants for their own soldiers. This would lead to the opening of the US mid west for settlement, which up to this point land was privately owned in large blocks by consortiums. This was to become the next step in Jeffersonian "Manifest Destiny". Murray PS only from Canada eh?....pity! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

For WEAVER, a study of the Swiss De Mueron Regiment might be your best persuit. In 1814, the Swiss De Mueron left Europe and fought at the Battle of Plattsburgh. Of the estimated 14,000 British army, US Gen Macomb reports that approx 9,500 British were taken prisoner during the British hasty retreat (and this initialy with only 1500 effective US Regulars). Considering the large number of prisoners, I would surmise that they were all offered the opportunity to become American citizens. Some would take that opportunity. Some of the Swiss De Mueron were also at the Seige of Old Fort Erie in 1814. Good Luck Murray -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

On Sep 23, 2004, at 1:34 PM, Conrad, Mark G RDECOM CERDEC I2WD wrote: > Go to the Napoleon Series forum and enquire about War of 1812 British > regiments formed from foreigners. I think I recall some "Swiss" units > in > British service in North America. > The de Watteville Regiment was a foreign, i.e. Swiss, regiment in the British service that arrived in Canada to help defend the Niagara frontier. Details can be supplied preferably privately. Who won the War of 1812? Is there any need to rekindle the flames along the border? Trevor Hamilton Toronto

Was intrigued by recent discussion about whether war was lost or won, and whether it mattered. One answer at least is mine in my new book, 1812: The War that Forged a Nation, to be published by HarperCollins next week. (Will be both a History and Military Book Club selection.) Didn’t realize when I started it that the History Channel and so many others would be gearing up for the bicentennial already. I will be speaking in Baltimore on October 9 at the National War of 1812 Symposium and look forward to meeting some of you there. Walt Borneman

Go to the Napoleon Series forum and enquire about War of 1812 British regiments formed from foreigners. I think I recall some "Swiss" units in British service in North America. Regards, Mark Conrad -----Original Message----- From: WARof1812-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:WARof1812-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of neodane@alltel.net Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:42 PM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WARof1812] Weaver/War1812/Chelmsford Looking for information about men born in Germany/Prussia who joined the British Army and came to the US during the War of 1812, who were then recruited by the Middlesex Glass Works in Chelmsford MA. My ancestor Francis Weaver left Napolean's Army during the battle of Jena and joined up with the British Army. Once in the US during the War of 1812, he "took leave of (aka deserted?) the British Army because he refused to fight the Americans" (per his son's obituary). He became a foreman at the glass works. Information I previously found indicates that the glass works may have recruited Prussian/German glass artisans to come work for them. Francis married Naomi Hunt, daughter of Samuel Hunt ("the village's only cabinet maker") with whom he had several children. Francis may have had a brother named Joseph. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. Susan in Georgia ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== This WAR of 1812 List is sponsored by ROOTSWEB Let them know how much you appreciate our list by visiting them at: http://www.rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237