http://www.historychannel.com/perl/print_book.pl?ID=119740 This link talks about what led up to the War of 1812 and thereafter. From the documentary that I watched, it was a surprised the British didn't kick our butts. I think you can order these tapes from their website. War of 1812 War of 1812, armed conflict between the United States and Great Britain, 1812-15. It followed a period of great stress between the two nations as a result of the treatment of neutral countries by both France and England during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars, in which the latter two were antagonists (1793-1801, 1803-14). Causes of the War American shippers took advantage of the hostilities in Europe to absorb the carrying trade between Europe and the French and Spanish islands in the West Indies. By breaking the passage with a stop in a U.S. port, they evaded seizure under the British rule of 1756, which forbade to neutrals in wartime trade that was not allowed in peacetime. In 1805, however, in the Essex Case, a British court ruled that U.S. ships breaking passage at an American port did not circumvent the prohibitions set out in the rule of 1756. As a result the seizure of American ships by Great Britain increased.

Thank you, Nelson, for the other North American view of the War of 1812. I love it. Each country (side) has its own version of every conflict. I truly believe the truth is always some place in the middle. The true history of any aspect of human undertaking is held in the hearts and minds of the people who actually lived through it and in those whose lives were touched by it in any way. Leona > > We Canadians "Know" we won the war because we are still here almost 200 > years later. > > > My name is Nelson . > And I am CANADIAN!!!! >

I also would like to thank you Nelson. I found it very refreshing to read your "different" and broader perspective on the War of 1812. I personally joined this list in the hope of possibly learning anything else I could about the service of my g-g-grandfather, who I know as a 17 year old, served for 6 months out of Camp Holly in Virginia at the end of the war. Since I have had a hard time learning much of anything about his service, almost anything about the war is of interest. Although I know the general "facts" of the war and the general picture, I have never had a particularly deep understanding of the real dynamics of the time and the conflict. Although I personally have a number of Canadian ancestors, and even more English ancestors, I am an American. Generally speaking, I would say that Americans know and understand little about the War of 1812. There is a general perception that we "won" the war because we somehow defeated the British, but that's really about the extent of the picture. Clearly the reality was much more complicated, and the perception that evolved was different from the perception at the time. Any insight into the life of my g-g-grandfather and the world he lived in is of interest to me. Rick Waggener Walnut Creek, California

In actual fact we Canadians do consider it to be a continuation of the Revolutionary War. For most of people in Canada at that time the Revolution was still very much on their minds (It had been only been about 20 years since the Revolution ended).. The French Canadians, the Natives and the Loyalists remember that earlier war with very bitter memories. Strangely however about 60% of the population of Ontario were "Americans" in 1812 and were not "Loyalists, Native or French Canadian" which led to a lot of understandable paranoia. Many people on both sides of the border still literally carried the scars that the Revolution had caused and tempers flared. Think of any current Ethnic Cleansing War in the world and you get an idea of how strong feelings still ran - the Revolutionary War was not a gentlemanly disagreement. The result was a bloodbath that took many lives. Lynching and mass destruction were commonplace. Here in my town ( Hamilton Ontario) we hung a number of suspected traitors as well as fighting a number of brutal battles in the area. Although the battles consisted of only small numbers of men compared to European wars, casualties were often as bad as any seen in the Napoleonic wars or the U.S. Civil War. The War of 1812 was a bitter conflict on sea as well at land. Despite the successes of Old Ironsides.The U.S. lost almost every ship it owned during the war- Only the Great Lakes were under U.S. control. On land it turned into a stalemate. The Americans although having a massive military superiority over the very small British garrison and tiny Canadian militia failed at almost every turn. The U.S. did not gain any land as a result. By the end of the war the Canadians themselves had recaptured all of the land lost and had burned Washington as well. (The burning of Washington was almost entirely an Canadian operation, the British military having little to do with it.-Of course that little secret has always been whitewashed over.) The British "think" they won the war because the Americans sued for peace. To the British it was always just a minor squabble over a useless piece of land (The Colonies). The British had their hands full fighting off all of the combined forces of Europe under Napoleon and didn't see the need for sending troops until 1814 when Napoleon was deposed for the first time. The Duke of Wellington was supposed to go to Canada but he suggested a peace treaty was more useful than a continued war that had no real purpose in the long run. The Americans "think" they won the war because they won the battle of New Orleans. (That was actually fought after the peace treaty was agreed to) The British however did capture Fort Boyer after that battle. We Canadians "Know" we won the war because we are still here almost 200 years later. My name is Nelson . And I am CANADIAN!!!! +(:-))))))

Take a look at your history book or the encyclopedia or even on the web and you will find they are two entirely different wars. The Revolutionary War was the war fought to free us from British rule and brought about our country--United States of America. We celebrate July 4 as it it represents the completion of the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Our Constitution was waritten some years after this and it has a very interesting history. The War of 1812 was a second war--mainly a naval war--with England and involved the United States and England/Great Britain. It lasted two years or thereabouts and we received the words for our national anthem in this war. I'm not giving the total answer to any of this, for it will do you good to research for yourself and then it will be more meaningful. I supose that's the school teacher, historian and genealogist showing itself in me. Any time you look for your ancestors, it is a MUST to know the history of the era, no matter where in the world it might be. Jennie Vertrees

Hi Andrea, To the best of my knowledge, the War of 1812 is not considered a part of the American Revolution. There are associations for War of 1812 descendants. You can probably locate them with a Google search. The biggest problem I have had trying to track 1812 veterans is finding central source for the location of the many Regiments activated in the various states. This Digest has been a big help. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <WARof1812-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <WARof1812-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: WARof1812-D Digest V04 #98

Hi, Andrea, The War of 1812 has records at the National Archives, the same as the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. I'm not sure if there is an online listing of the names that served in the War of 1812, but there might be. Perhaps if you went to a search engine such as Google, and entered "War of 1812 roster" and the name of your man, something might come up. Good luck, Joann Nichols Andrea Welter wrote: >Greetings, > >Apparently I have an ancestor served in the War of 1812. Have no data to show when he relocated. from NJ to PA so I'm not sure where he would have served. Are there any records or pensions similar like can be ontained for Civil War vets? Is this war still considered part of the American Revolution? > >Thanks > >Andrea > > >==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== >WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Greetings, Apparently I have an ancestor served in the War of 1812. Have no data to show when he relocated. from NJ to PA so I'm not sure where he would have served. Are there any records or pensions similar like can be ontained for Civil War vets? Is this war still considered part of the American Revolution? Thanks Andrea

New Bill Will Close Records to Genealogists > > > > HR10, which was mentioned in the 13 October issue of  RootsWeb Review, > > has passed out of the U.S. House of Representatives and is  now part of > > S.2845. The amendments suggested by David Rencher in his letter  to the > > bill's sponsor, Congressman J. Dennis Hastert, were NOT  incorporated > > into this legislation. Thus, the terms of HR10 will now be  considered > > by the Senate, as part of S.2845. > > > > If S.2845 becomes law, as  now written, family historians will face some > > real challenges in attempts to  obtain birth records, even on long- > > deceased individuals. Specifically, what  genealogists need to do is > > suggest to their lawmakers the addition of Sec.  3061(b)(1)(A)(iii) that > > would read: "who is alive on the date that access to  their birth > > certificate is requested." > > > > This addition would clarify  that the legislation (soon to be law) > > applies ONLY to birth certificates of  CURRENTLY LIVING PERSONS. > > If you do not know your U.S. Senator's e-mail  address, you can find it > > at http://www.senate.gov/ > > > > This bill can be  found online at http://thomas.loc.gov/ > > Put in S.2845 (in the bill number  window) and then select item No. 3; > > and go to Subtitle B--Identity Management  Security; Chapter 2--Improved > > Security for Birth  Certificates. > >

you can order free grave markers for war of 1812 etc vets tru the Veterans Administration see website for details, I have seen many war1812 grave markers along with Confederate markers, I always recommend the GRANITE UPRIGHT markers, and cement them into the ground at least 18 inches

Robert, This is a noble effort. I don't know of any NJ service man, but wonder who is "Our Society"? The one you said wants to put grave markers on the gravesites of War of 1812 vets? Is this New Jersey project a part of a nation wide group or a society of some sort or is it only a NJ endeavor? What type of marker exactly will be placed? Wording, its size and shape? I have a program on W of 1812 to give in Omaha in near future and would like to possibly mention what your society is attempting to do etc.. Ron Gaddis, Lincoln, NE

Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: [WARof1812] Re: War of 1812 -Hyatt in NY > Hi > > Recently while researching Hyatts, I found these two: Joseph Hyatt a private > in captain John S. See's Company of INf in the Regt. of NY Detached Militia > commanded by LT Col Jonathan Varian and Samuel Hyatt, a private in Capt.. > Edward Loverich's Co. of the Detached Militia in 93 and 64 Consolidated > Regt. of the NYS Infantry. Can any one identify units and tell me what area > of Ny they were from. Thank you Marilyn Bess > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

If anyone from New Jersey knows the location of any gravesite of a veteran of the War of 1812 in the state , please let me know. Our Society would like to place a marker thereon. Thanks. Bob Fenner, Marlton, NJ <<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: [WARof1812] Re: War of 1812 -Hyatt in NY > Hi > > Recently while researching Hyatts, I found these two: Joseph Hyatt a > private > in captain John S. See's Company of INf in the Regt. of NY Detached > Militia > commanded by LT Col Jonathan Varian and Samuel Hyatt, a private in Capt.. > Edward Loverich's Co. of the Detached Militia in 93 and 64 Consolidated > Regt. of the NYS Infantry. Can any one identify units and tell me what > area > of Ny they were from. Thank you Marilyn Bess > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004 > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Recently while researching Hyatts, I found these two: Joseph Hyatt a private in captain John S. See's Company of INf in the Regt. of NY Detached Militia commanded by LT Col Jonathan Varian and Samuel Hyatt, a private in Capt.. Edward Loverich's Co. of the Detached Militia in 93 and 64 Consolidated Regt. of the NYS Infantry. Can any one identify units and tell me what area of Ny they were from. Thank you Marilyn Bess --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.804 / Virus Database: 546 - Release Date: 11/30/2004

Laura (Young) Hunter Meridian, ID

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Seeking information on Capt. Hiram Boon(e) who served in the Indiana Militia during the War of 1812.

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Sorry this should have said you can now order from the National Archives online. va