Marilyn, You are looking at both, plus any land bounty issued , and old war pension files, etc Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Frederick Frantz > Patrick, When I look at the War of 1812 pension file index, am I looking > at > militia or infantry or both ? If only one where do I find the other index? > Thanks Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Frederick Frantz > > >> Marcia, >> The name could have been spelled as Frank, Fronk, Franc, etc.. There was >> a >> Frederick Frank in Hamilton's Rifle Regiment, Penn. Militia Roll #75, > Record >> # 493. What was your soldiers BLM #. There is a Frederick Frantz that did >> receive land, but did not receive a pension. (Strange) This Frederick > Frantz >> was also noted as Frederick Francis. If this is him, then the reason you > did >> not locate a service file on him was because he served in the US Army >> Infantry, and this must be noted on your request, or they search only >> Militia Records >> Patrick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Houston" <houston4@netcarrier.com> >> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Colonel William Ross and Captain Joseph Bancroft >> >> >> > When you mention Erie County, do you mean in Pennsylvania? The PA State >> > Archives has some muster Rolls for the War of 1812. Also, I requested >> > pension information from the National Archives for my ancestor >> > Frederick >> > Fronk to find no file, But, I then requested any Bounty Land > applications >> > and he did apply in 1853, although he was denied. The application had a >> > few >> > good bits of information, like his birth date. >> > >> > Marcia Fronk >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From >> >> >> ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== >> This WAR of 1812 List is sponsored by ROOTSWEB >> Let them know how much you appreciate our list >> by visiting them at: http://www.rootsweb.com >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Marilyn Good researching!!! Thats how you figure out the answers as you already know. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York Vols. > Thanks Patrick, I just got back from the archives. I have all of the > Drowns > but Mijcajah. I corresponded in the past with a descendant of his. I am > looking for anything in files that help identify my families or rule out a > person. In attempt to identify the missing sons of Wm Drown, I started > going > through all the Drown civil war pension files of men from NY, PA, Mi, > Wisc, > Mo and Iowa. I got about half way through. I also have Arantus Everts > pension file. from the War of 1812. He was high ranking and served on some > council .He lived in the Hector area of NY. Also from that area was a > Joseph Gillespie who was killed in the battle of Lewiston. He was a Rev > veteran and his bounty land was the area where Burdet in Hector, Schuyler > county is located. I also have some Joseph and Samuel Hyatts pension > files that I am trying to identify. Am I right in assuming that the Wm. > Downs does not have a pension file Thanks again everyone, Marilyn Bess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > To: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > Vols. > > >> Marilyn >> The only Drown names appearing in the pension files are( Aaron; Infantry, >> state?)( Benjamin; Virginia,)( Gilbert; NY,)(Micajah; New >> Hampshire, )(Moses; New Hampshire,)( Samuel; New Hampshire, )(Ezra; New >> Hampshire) >> Patrick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> >> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > Vols. >> >> >> >I believe the book does says Dobbins unit. there are several who later >> > appear in Bradford,County, PA in the same unit. I will have to get a > list >> > of >> > them. You probably have not idea where this Downs would have been from. > By >> > the way I have several War of 1812 pension files, mostly Carson, Hyatt. >> > Drown, Shaver. Thanks you >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> >> > To: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> >> > Cc: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:02 PM >> > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York >> > Vols. >> > >> > >> >> Marilyn, >> >> Gilbert Drown does not show up in the records of the Swift's & >> >> Dobbin's >> > unit >> >> but does show up in Dobbin's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia, and >> >> then >> >> in >> >> Swift's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia. Only a time frame, and their >> >> Captain compared with each units service history could detirmine if it >> >> was >> >> Swift's & Dobbin's Regiment at the time. There isn't a record of a >> >> William >> >> Drown or variant in all three units. >> >> There is a William G. Downs serving in Dobbin's 18th NY Regiment, and >> >> you >> >> can put a William Brown in all four. >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> >> >> To: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> >> >> Cc: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:12 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York >> > Vols. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Does anyone have a list of the members of this unit? I have the > bounty >> >> > land >> >> > records of Gilbert Drown who was in this unit. I have his pay stubs >> >> > from >> >> > some other units. I am looking for a Wm Drown or might be Brown or >> > variant >> >> > spelling who along with several other are mention in the book "Along >> >> > the >> >> > Susquehanna". Some of these might be from Erie county as Wm had a >> > daughter >> >> > born there in about 1812. Marilyn Bess >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> >> >> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:37 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New > York >> >> > Vols. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Swift & Dobbins >> >> >> Google individually variations of the following and you will locate >> >> >> information about the two individuals alone and this Regiment. >> >> >> Philetus Swift >> >> >> Hugh W. Dobbin >> >> >> Swift's & Dobbin's >> >> >> >> >> >> Be sure to add the apostrophe. Swift's & or Dobbin's >> >> >> Ontario County & ChautauQua County New York >> >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Marianne Punshon" <mipunshon@optusnet.com.au> >> >> >> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:21 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New > York >> >> > Vols. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I am also interested in this regiment and any other NY volunteers. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Marianne in sunny Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If you have anything for Swift's and Dobbins, I, too, have an >> >> > interest. >> >> >> >> James Beard/Baird of Candor (formerly of Worcester County, >> >> >> >> Massachusetts) who >> >> >> >> went missing and whose small estate was in probate by 1814. 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Marilyn There is a William Down with an old War pension file #IF25031 who served in Captn Opie's Company of the 5th US Infantry which answers your next Query question as to if Militia and US Infantry were covered in the pensions. Also found are those with no pensions received, but land received. Captn. Leroy Opie was born in Va and joined in Va. He was a 2Lt in 1808, 1Lt in 1809 and Captain 26 jun 1813. The 5th was formed of men mostly from Penn Patrick Cummings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York Vols. > Thanks Patrick, I just got back from the archives. I have all of the > Drowns > but Mijcajah. I corresponded in the past with a descendant of his. I am > looking for anything in files that help identify my families or rule out a > person. In attempt to identify the missing sons of Wm Drown, I started > going > through all the Drown civil war pension files of men from NY, PA, Mi, > Wisc, > Mo and Iowa. I got about half way through. I also have Arantus Everts > pension file. from the War of 1812. He was high ranking and served on some > council .He lived in the Hector area of NY. Also from that area was a > Joseph Gillespie who was killed in the battle of Lewiston. He was a Rev > veteran and his bounty land was the area where Burdet in Hector, Schuyler > county is located. I also have some Joseph and Samuel Hyatts pension > files that I am trying to identify. Am I right in assuming that the Wm. > Downs does not have a pension file Thanks again everyone, Marilyn Bess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > To: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > Vols. > > >> Marilyn >> The only Drown names appearing in the pension files are( Aaron; Infantry, >> state?)( Benjamin; Virginia,)( Gilbert; NY,)(Micajah; New >> Hampshire, )(Moses; New Hampshire,)( Samuel; New Hampshire, )(Ezra; New >> Hampshire) >> Patrick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> >> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > Vols. >> >> >> >I believe the book does says Dobbins unit. there are several who later >> > appear in Bradford,County, PA in the same unit. I will have to get a > list >> > of >> > them. You probably have not idea where this Downs would have been from. > By >> > the way I have several War of 1812 pension files, mostly Carson, Hyatt. >> > Drown, Shaver. Thanks you >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> >> > To: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> >> > Cc: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:02 PM >> > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York >> > Vols. >> > >> > >> >> Marilyn, >> >> Gilbert Drown does not show up in the records of the Swift's & >> >> Dobbin's >> > unit >> >> but does show up in Dobbin's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia, and >> >> then >> >> in >> >> Swift's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia. Only a time frame, and their >> >> Captain compared with each units service history could detirmine if it >> >> was >> >> Swift's & Dobbin's Regiment at the time. There isn't a record of a >> >> William >> >> Drown or variant in all three units. >> >> There is a William G. Downs serving in Dobbin's 18th NY Regiment, and >> >> you >> >> can put a William Brown in all four. >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> >> >> To: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> >> >> Cc: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:12 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York >> > Vols. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Does anyone have a list of the members of this unit? I have the > bounty >> >> > land >> >> > records of Gilbert Drown who was in this unit. I have his pay stubs >> >> > from >> >> > some other units. I am looking for a Wm Drown or might be Brown or >> > variant >> >> > spelling who along with several other are mention in the book "Along >> >> > the >> >> > Susquehanna". Some of these might be from Erie county as Wm had a >> > daughter >> >> > born there in about 1812. Marilyn Bess >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> >> >> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:37 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New > York >> >> > Vols. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Swift & Dobbins >> >> >> Google individually variations of the following and you will locate >> >> >> information about the two individuals alone and this Regiment. >> >> >> Philetus Swift >> >> >> Hugh W. Dobbin >> >> >> Swift's & Dobbin's >> >> >> >> >> >> Be sure to add the apostrophe. Swift's & or Dobbin's >> >> >> Ontario County & ChautauQua County New York >> >> >> Patrick >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Marianne Punshon" <mipunshon@optusnet.com.au> >> >> >> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:21 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New > York >> >> > Vols. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I am also interested in this regiment and any other NY volunteers. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Marianne in sunny Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If you have anything for Swift's and Dobbins, I, too, have an >> >> > interest. >> >> >> >> James Beard/Baird of Candor (formerly of Worcester County, >> >> >> >> Massachusetts) who >> >> >> >> went missing and whose small estate was in probate by 1814. 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You can bring your camera, digital and Video, scanner and computer in to the research room on the second floor. this is the area where the pension files, and other records are brought to. You can not take anything else. I was surprised last year when I visited. The archivist indicated that more electrical changes were coming. I do not think there is much limit to what can be taken in the area where you view the microfilm. By the way my genealogy program triples in size, not from adding new names but form the records I scanned. I have war of 1812 records from several years back that I have not got put in my files but the ones I did this year are. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doss, Andy" <ADoss@stanleyfurniture.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:30 AM Subject: RE: [WARof1812] Lookup Requests > You can bring your laptop and scanner into the Archives? > That surprises me - even my local library won't allow that (a laptop > yes, a scanner no). > > Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: Marilyn Bess [mailto:bess@penn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:21 AM > To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Lookup Requests > > You can scan the files on your own flatbed scanner or copy on the > archives, > take digital pictures of the files. There are some records and items > that > can be copied to you disc so the archivist told me. Marilyn Bess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <joe2phil@drizzle.com> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Lookup Requests > > > > Hello group , I really don`t think Anyone can ' peek ' into any file > at > the > > Archives , except for the census films you must Buy the Copies of the > file > , > > right ? , Phil > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doss, Andy" <ADoss@stanleyfurniture.com> > > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:52 AM > > Subject: [WARof1812] Lookup Requests > > > > > > > 2 Archive requests: > > > > > > If anyone is going to the national archives - if you wouldn't mind > > > peeking into the pension file of James Smith of Wythe, Co Virginia > (wife > > > is Jane) who served under S. Graham I would greatly appreciate it if > > > someone could see if there is a list of heirs or anything pertaining > to > > > "linking" information and jot them down for me. > > > Also - Nelson Hopkins of Smyth, Co Virginia wife Polly Matthews > Hopkins > > > - a list of heirs would be nice for that one as well if one exists > in > > > his pension file. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Andy Doss > > > > > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > > > NEW WAR OF 1812 LIST MEMBERS > > > are encouraged to post your > > > queries to our list anytime. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > > MESSAGE HINT: Delete all the unnecessary > > material before you reply or re-send any > > message. DELETE:tagline,empty lines,etc. > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR of 1812 LIST ADMINISTRATOR > <<<commander@sunlitsurf.com>>> > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WAR OF 1812 QUERY BOARD > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USWARS/War1812/General > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

You can bring your laptop and scanner into the Archives? That surprises me - even my local library won't allow that (a laptop yes, a scanner no). Andy -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Bess [mailto:bess@penn.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:21 AM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Lookup Requests You can scan the files on your own flatbed scanner or copy on the archives, take digital pictures of the files. There are some records and items that can be copied to you disc so the archivist told me. Marilyn Bess ----- Original Message ----- From: <joe2phil@drizzle.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Lookup Requests > Hello group , I really don`t think Anyone can ' peek ' into any file at the > Archives , except for the census films you must Buy the Copies of the file , > right ? , Phil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doss, Andy" <ADoss@stanleyfurniture.com> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:52 AM > Subject: [WARof1812] Lookup Requests > > > > 2 Archive requests: > > > > If anyone is going to the national archives - if you wouldn't mind > > peeking into the pension file of James Smith of Wythe, Co Virginia (wife > > is Jane) who served under S. Graham I would greatly appreciate it if > > someone could see if there is a list of heirs or anything pertaining to > > "linking" information and jot them down for me. > > Also - Nelson Hopkins of Smyth, Co Virginia wife Polly Matthews Hopkins > > - a list of heirs would be nice for that one as well if one exists in > > his pension file. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andy Doss > > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > > NEW WAR OF 1812 LIST MEMBERS > > are encouraged to post your > > queries to our list anytime. > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > MESSAGE HINT: Delete all the unnecessary > material before you reply or re-send any > message. DELETE:tagline,empty lines,etc. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== WAR of 1812 LIST ADMINISTRATOR <<<commander@sunlitsurf.com>>> ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Patrick, When I look at the War of 1812 pension file index, am I looking at militia or infantry or both ? If only one where do I find the other index? Thanks Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Frederick Frantz > Marcia, > The name could have been spelled as Frank, Fronk, Franc, etc.. There was a > Frederick Frank in Hamilton's Rifle Regiment, Penn. Militia Roll #75, Record > # 493. What was your soldiers BLM #. There is a Frederick Frantz that did > receive land, but did not receive a pension. (Strange) This Frederick Frantz > was also noted as Frederick Francis. If this is him, then the reason you did > not locate a service file on him was because he served in the US Army > Infantry, and this must be noted on your request, or they search only > Militia Records > Patrick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Houston" <houston4@netcarrier.com> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Colonel William Ross and Captain Joseph Bancroft > > > > When you mention Erie County, do you mean in Pennsylvania? The PA State > > Archives has some muster Rolls for the War of 1812. Also, I requested > > pension information from the National Archives for my ancestor Frederick > > Fronk to find no file, But, I then requested any Bounty Land applications > > and he did apply in 1853, although he was denied. The application had a > > few > > good bits of information, like his birth date. > > > > Marcia Fronk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > This WAR of 1812 List is sponsored by ROOTSWEB > Let them know how much you appreciate our list > by visiting them at: http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

You can scan the files on your own flatbed scanner or copy on the archives, take digital pictures of the files. There are some records and items that can be copied to you disc so the archivist told me. Marilyn Bess ----- Original Message ----- From: <joe2phil@drizzle.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Lookup Requests > Hello group , I really don`t think Anyone can ' peek ' into any file at the > Archives , except for the census films you must Buy the Copies of the file , > right ? , Phil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doss, Andy" <ADoss@stanleyfurniture.com> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:52 AM > Subject: [WARof1812] Lookup Requests > > > > 2 Archive requests: > > > > If anyone is going to the national archives - if you wouldn't mind > > peeking into the pension file of James Smith of Wythe, Co Virginia (wife > > is Jane) who served under S. Graham I would greatly appreciate it if > > someone could see if there is a list of heirs or anything pertaining to > > "linking" information and jot them down for me. > > Also - Nelson Hopkins of Smyth, Co Virginia wife Polly Matthews Hopkins > > - a list of heirs would be nice for that one as well if one exists in > > his pension file. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andy Doss > > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > > NEW WAR OF 1812 LIST MEMBERS > > are encouraged to post your > > queries to our list anytime. > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > MESSAGE HINT: Delete all the unnecessary > material before you reply or re-send any > message. DELETE:tagline,empty lines,etc. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Thanks Patrick, I just got back from the archives. I have all of the Drowns but Mijcajah. I corresponded in the past with a descendant of his. I am looking for anything in files that help identify my families or rule out a person. In attempt to identify the missing sons of Wm Drown, I started going through all the Drown civil war pension files of men from NY, PA, Mi, Wisc, Mo and Iowa. I got about half way through. I also have Arantus Everts pension file. from the War of 1812. He was high ranking and served on some council .He lived in the Hector area of NY. Also from that area was a Joseph Gillespie who was killed in the battle of Lewiston. He was a Rev veteran and his bounty land was the area where Burdet in Hector, Schuyler county is located. I also have some Joseph and Samuel Hyatts pension files that I am trying to identify. Am I right in assuming that the Wm. Downs does not have a pension file Thanks again everyone, Marilyn Bess ----- Original Message ----- From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> To: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York Vols. > Marilyn > The only Drown names appearing in the pension files are( Aaron; Infantry, > state?)( Benjamin; Virginia,)( Gilbert; NY,)(Micajah; New > Hampshire, )(Moses; New Hampshire,)( Samuel; New Hampshire, )(Ezra; New > Hampshire) > Patrick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York Vols. > > > >I believe the book does says Dobbins unit. there are several who later > > appear in Bradford,County, PA in the same unit. I will have to get a list > > of > > them. You probably have not idea where this Downs would have been from. By > > the way I have several War of 1812 pension files, mostly Carson, Hyatt. > > Drown, Shaver. Thanks you > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > > To: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> > > Cc: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > > Vols. > > > > > >> Marilyn, > >> Gilbert Drown does not show up in the records of the Swift's & Dobbin's > > unit > >> but does show up in Dobbin's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia, and then > >> in > >> Swift's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia. Only a time frame, and their > >> Captain compared with each units service history could detirmine if it > >> was > >> Swift's & Dobbin's Regiment at the time. There isn't a record of a > >> William > >> Drown or variant in all three units. > >> There is a William G. Downs serving in Dobbin's 18th NY Regiment, and > >> you > >> can put a William Brown in all four. > >> Patrick > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> > >> To: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > >> Cc: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:12 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > > Vols. > >> > >> > >> > Does anyone have a list of the members of this unit? I have the bounty > >> > land > >> > records of Gilbert Drown who was in this unit. I have his pay stubs > >> > from > >> > some other units. I am looking for a Wm Drown or might be Brown or > > variant > >> > spelling who along with several other are mention in the book "Along > >> > the > >> > Susquehanna". Some of these might be from Erie county as Wm had a > > daughter > >> > born there in about 1812. Marilyn Bess > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > >> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:37 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > >> > Vols. > >> > > >> > > >> >> Swift & Dobbins > >> >> Google individually variations of the following and you will locate > >> >> information about the two individuals alone and this Regiment. > >> >> Philetus Swift > >> >> Hugh W. Dobbin > >> >> Swift's & Dobbin's > >> >> > >> >> Be sure to add the apostrophe. Swift's & or Dobbin's > >> >> Ontario County & ChautauQua County New York > >> >> Patrick > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Marianne Punshon" <mipunshon@optusnet.com.au> > >> >> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:21 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > >> > Vols. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I am also interested in this regiment and any other NY volunteers. > >> >> > > >> >> > Marianne in sunny Melbourne, Australia > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> If you have anything for Swift's and Dobbins, I, too, have an > >> > interest. > >> >> >> James Beard/Baird of Candor (formerly of Worcester County, > >> >> >> Massachusetts) who > >> >> >> went missing and whose small estate was in probate by 1814. No > > trace > >> > of > >> >> >> him > >> >> >> anywhere. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Adele in rainy Seattle > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > >> >> >> NEW WAR OF 1812 LIST MEMBERS > >> >> >> are encouraged to post your > >> >> >> queries to our list anytime. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ============================== > >> >> >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in > > the > >> >> >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > >> >> >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > >> >> > ADDRESS MESSAGES TO: > >> >> > WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com > >> >> > > >> >> > ============================== > >> >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > >> >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Sorry, Marianne! Must be the lateness of the hour. Adele/Seattle

As always, Patrick provides wonderful detail and tips. Marilyn, have you tried book searches on: _http://www.alibris.com_ (http://www.alibris.com) Adele (formerly from really cold Minneapolis--traded my boots and shovel for an umbrella and raincoat)

When you mention Erie County, do you mean in Pennsylvania? The PA State Archives has some muster Rolls for the War of 1812. Also, I requested pension information from the National Archives for my ancestor Frederick Fronk to find no file, But, I then requested any Bounty Land applications and he did apply in 1853, although he was denied. The application had a few good bits of information, like his birth date. Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Carraway" <mcarraway@chartermi.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: [WARof1812] Colonel William Ross and Captain Joseph Bancroft > Hello List, > > I am glad I woke everyone up! Before I asked the > list, I had tried all the goggle searches I could come up > with, all the other search lists for the War of 1812, and no > luck with a list of the men in the regiment or a history of > it. Lots of others but not this one. I wasn't thinking > about pension files but apparently, neither of my guys > applied for one. Joseph Bancroft is listed as a Lt. but > when he moved to Michigan he is a Captain. Promoted, I > guess. I have learned a lot about the War of 1812, tho. > As far as I know, they both were living in Erie County, or > that vicinity so were probably in the "Battle of Sodus". > That area must have been a wild place to live at that time! > And, Adele, my people came from that same area in > Massachusetts. Joseph's sister, Lucinda married an Oaks > (we don't know his name) and for her second? marriage > married William Ross and she is my ancestor. William and > Lucinda both moved to Oakland County, Michigan along with > Joseph. William and Lucinda died in Genesee County, > Michigan and are buried in Avondale Cemetery. None of this > will help anyone, probably, but you never know. > > And lastly, Marilyn do you have the book you > mentioned, "Along the Susquehanna"? I would be interested > in a copy, I think. Sorry to be so long. > > > Marianne in really, really, cold Michigan > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES > Some members delete list > mail based solely upon a > subject you've gave your > message. BE SURE TO GIVE > THEM REALLY GOOD ONES OK > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Your friendly and informative e-mail exchanges prompt me to ask if you can also help me. A few years back while researching my roots in Kalamazoo, MI I found an entry in Virgil D. White's "INDEX TO WAR OF 1812 PENSIONS" the following listing: Barrett, Charles L. Old War IF-#12308, srv as Pvt.in Capt. Welsh's Co (Ord Dept) 4th US Inf Regt, sol srvd under the name John Lee. This Charles Lucius Barrett was my g g grnd fthr. NARA records show that his widow Abalina Jackson Gregory Barrett filed for a pension (2 July 1864). Later their daughter Sarah Barrett Snyder also filed. Both were denied but no reason given. A Roots Web member suggested I contact a local researcher which I did, a Eugene H. Black who came up with the same information I already had. Would it make sense for me to try to obtain the rosters of Capt. Welsh's company (Ordinance Dept) and or the 4th US Infantry ? Charles Lucius was born in France (near Belgium) in 1789 and may have come to this country as a French soldier. (His father, Joseph Barrette, my progenitor, was also in the French Army). Both sons, Charles and Henry Joseph stayed in the US rather than return to France. Charles Lucius may have deserted the French army or, as was common back then, may have been hired to take another's draftee's place. Any suggestions to further my research will be warmly appreciated. Don Barrett

To those searching for lost 1812 soldiers! The Archives searches for a soldier upon request in the MILITIA records. They DO NOT then go and look in the U. S. ARMY INFANTRY records for your soldier, so when you receive a NOT FOUND, it could be due to a number of reasons. (1) spelling variations (2) inadequate or inaccurate information provided (3) He did not serve in the militia, he served in the U.S. Army Infantry (4) Etc., Etc. If you don't find in him a NARA Militia search. RETRY noting US ARMY Infantry. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Carraway" <mcarraway@chartermi.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: [WARof1812] Colonel William Ross and Captain Joseph Bancroft ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Carraway" <mcarraway@chartermi.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: [WARof1812] Colonel William Ross and Captain Joseph Bancroft > Hello List, > > I am glad I woke everyone up! Before I asked the list, I had tried > all the goggle searches I could come up with, all the other search lists > for the War of 1812, and no luck with a list of the men in the regiment or > a history of it. Lots of others but not this one. I wasn't thinking > about pension files but apparently, neither of my guys applied for one. > Joseph Bancroft is listed as a Lt. but when he moved to Michigan he is a > Captain. Promoted, I guess. I have learned a lot about the War of 1812, > tho. As far as I know, they both were living in Erie County, or that > vicinity so were probably in the "Battle of Sodus". That area must have > been a wild place to live at that time! And, Adele, my people came from > that same area in Massachusetts. Joseph's sister, Lucinda married an > Oaks (we don't know his name) and for her second? marriage married William > Ross and she is my ancestor. William and Lucinda both moved to Oakland > County, Michigan along with Joseph. William and Lucinda died in Genesee > County, Michigan and are buried in Avondale Cemetery. None of this will > help anyone, probably, but you never know. > > And lastly, Marilyn do you have the book you mentioned, "Along the > Susquehanna"? I would be interested in a copy, I think. Sorry to be > so long. > > > Marianne in really, really, cold Michigan > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES > Some members delete list > mail based solely upon a > subject you've gave your > message. BE SURE TO GIVE > THEM REALLY GOOD ONES OK > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Marcia, The name could have been spelled as Frank, Fronk, Franc, etc.. There was a Frederick Frank in Hamilton's Rifle Regiment, Penn. Militia Roll #75, Record # 493. What was your soldiers BLM #. There is a Frederick Frantz that did receive land, but did not receive a pension. (Strange) This Frederick Frantz was also noted as Frederick Francis. If this is him, then the reason you did not locate a service file on him was because he served in the US Army Infantry, and this must be noted on your request, or they search only Militia Records Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Houston" <houston4@netcarrier.com> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Colonel William Ross and Captain Joseph Bancroft > When you mention Erie County, do you mean in Pennsylvania? The PA State > Archives has some muster Rolls for the War of 1812. Also, I requested > pension information from the National Archives for my ancestor Frederick > Fronk to find no file, But, I then requested any Bounty Land applications > and he did apply in 1853, although he was denied. The application had a > few > good bits of information, like his birth date. > > Marcia Fronk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From

Hello List, I am glad I woke everyone up! Before I asked the list, I had tried all the goggle searches I could come up with, all the other search lists for the War of 1812, and no luck with a list of the men in the regiment or a history of it. Lots of others but not this one. I wasn't thinking about pension files but apparently, neither of my guys applied for one. Joseph Bancroft is listed as a Lt. but when he moved to Michigan he is a Captain. Promoted, I guess. I have learned a lot about the War of 1812, tho. As far as I know, they both were living in Erie County, or that vicinity so were probably in the "Battle of Sodus". That area must have been a wild place to live at that time! And, Adele, my people came from that same area in Massachusetts. Joseph's sister, Lucinda married an Oaks (we don't know his name) and for her second? marriage married William Ross and she is my ancestor. William and Lucinda both moved to Oakland County, Michigan along with Joseph. William and Lucinda died in Genesee County, Michigan and are buried in Avondale Cemetery. None of this will help anyone, probably, but you never know. And lastly, Marilyn do you have the book you mentioned, "Along the Susquehanna"? I would be interested in a copy, I think. Sorry to be so long. Marianne in really, really, cold Michigan

I believe the book does says Dobbins unit. there are several who later appear in Bradford,County, PA in the same unit. I will have to get a list of them. You probably have not idea where this Downs would have been from. By the way I have several War of 1812 pension files, mostly Carson, Hyatt. Drown, Shaver. Thanks you ----- Original Message ----- From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> To: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> Cc: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York Vols. > Marilyn, > Gilbert Drown does not show up in the records of the Swift's & Dobbin's unit > but does show up in Dobbin's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia, and then in > Swift's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia. Only a time frame, and their > Captain compared with each units service history could detirmine if it was > Swift's & Dobbin's Regiment at the time. There isn't a record of a William > Drown or variant in all three units. > There is a William G. Downs serving in Dobbin's 18th NY Regiment, and you > can put a William Brown in all four. > Patrick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> > To: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > Cc: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York Vols. > > > > Does anyone have a list of the members of this unit? I have the bounty > > land > > records of Gilbert Drown who was in this unit. I have his pay stubs from > > some other units. I am looking for a Wm Drown or might be Brown or variant > > spelling who along with several other are mention in the book "Along the > > Susquehanna". Some of these might be from Erie county as Wm had a daughter > > born there in about 1812. Marilyn Bess > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > > Vols. > > > > > >> Swift & Dobbins > >> Google individually variations of the following and you will locate > >> information about the two individuals alone and this Regiment. > >> Philetus Swift > >> Hugh W. Dobbin > >> Swift's & Dobbin's > >> > >> Be sure to add the apostrophe. Swift's & or Dobbin's > >> Ontario County & ChautauQua County New York > >> Patrick > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Marianne Punshon" <mipunshon@optusnet.com.au> > >> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:21 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > > Vols. > >> > >> > >> >I am also interested in this regiment and any other NY volunteers. > >> > > >> > Marianne in sunny Melbourne, Australia > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> If you have anything for Swift's and Dobbins, I, too, have an > > interest. > >> >> James Beard/Baird of Candor (formerly of Worcester County, > >> >> Massachusetts) who > >> >> went missing and whose small estate was in probate by 1814. No trace > > of > >> >> him > >> >> anywhere. > >> >> > >> >> Adele in rainy Seattle > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > >> >> NEW WAR OF 1812 LIST MEMBERS > >> >> are encouraged to post your > >> >> queries to our list anytime. > >> >> > >> >> ============================== > >> >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >> >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > >> >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > >> > ADDRESS MESSAGES TO: > >> > WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > >> MESSAGE HINT: Limit your per line characters > >> to 55 to 70 for a much better return message. > >> > >> ============================== > >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >> > > >

Does anyone have a list of the members of this unit? I have the bounty land records of Gilbert Drown who was in this unit. I have his pay stubs from some other units. I am looking for a Wm Drown or might be Brown or variant spelling who along with several other are mention in the book "Along the Susquehanna". Some of these might be from Erie county as Wm had a daughter born there in about 1812. Marilyn Bess ----- Original Message ----- From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York Vols. > Swift & Dobbins > Google individually variations of the following and you will locate > information about the two individuals alone and this Regiment. > Philetus Swift > Hugh W. Dobbin > Swift's & Dobbin's > > Be sure to add the apostrophe. Swift's & or Dobbin's > Ontario County & ChautauQua County New York > Patrick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marianne Punshon" <mipunshon@optusnet.com.au> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York Vols. > > > >I am also interested in this regiment and any other NY volunteers. > > > > Marianne in sunny Melbourne, Australia > > > > > > > > > >> If you have anything for Swift's and Dobbins, I, too, have an interest. > >> James Beard/Baird of Candor (formerly of Worcester County, > >> Massachusetts) who > >> went missing and whose small estate was in probate by 1814. No trace of > >> him > >> anywhere. > >> > >> Adele in rainy Seattle > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > >> NEW WAR OF 1812 LIST MEMBERS > >> are encouraged to post your > >> queries to our list anytime. > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >> > > > > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > > ADDRESS MESSAGES TO: > > WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > MESSAGE HINT: Limit your per line characters > to 55 to 70 for a much better return message. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Shirley The following could be your soldier (1)Howland Soles, private, 2 Regiment, Dobbin's New York Militia, roll 195, record # 13855; (2)also Howlin Soles, 3 Regiment, Van Rensselaer's New York Militia, private, roll 195, record # 13856 Also he had the following pension files; (1)Howland Soule, SO-34678 serving as substitute or vica versa for both Peter Minkler and Howland Soule are listed under this number, in Capt. Eltinge's Ny Militia.(Captain Robert Elting, Van Rensselawer's 3 Reg't Ny Militia) (2) Howland Soule, Sally widow WC-27514, serving in Captn Robert Elting's Company of New York Militia Patrick PS all listed file #'s available in NARA records films. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "SWorkman" <srwork@adelphia.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "SWorkman" <srwork@adelphia.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: [WARof1812] Re:Howland Soles Dobbin's 2nd Regiment > Looking for Howland Soles in Dobbin's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia. > Any info appreciated. Shirley

Looking for Howland Soles in Dobbin's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia. Any info appreciated. Shirley

Marilyn, Gilbert Drown does not show up in the records of the Swift's & Dobbin's unit but does show up in Dobbin's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia, and then in Swift's 2nd Regiment of New York Militia. Only a time frame, and their Captain compared with each units service history could detirmine if it was Swift's & Dobbin's Regiment at the time. There isn't a record of a William Drown or variant in all three units. There is a William G. Downs serving in Dobbin's 18th NY Regiment, and you can put a William Brown in all four. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Bess" <bess@penn.com> To: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> Cc: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York Vols. > Does anyone have a list of the members of this unit? I have the bounty > land > records of Gilbert Drown who was in this unit. I have his pay stubs from > some other units. I am looking for a Wm Drown or might be Brown or variant > spelling who along with several other are mention in the book "Along the > Susquehanna". Some of these might be from Erie county as Wm had a daughter > born there in about 1812. Marilyn Bess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Patrick" <Patrick20@comcast.net> > To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:37 PM > Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > Vols. > > >> Swift & Dobbins >> Google individually variations of the following and you will locate >> information about the two individuals alone and this Regiment. >> Philetus Swift >> Hugh W. Dobbin >> Swift's & Dobbin's >> >> Be sure to add the apostrophe. Swift's & or Dobbin's >> Ontario County & ChautauQua County New York >> Patrick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marianne Punshon" <mipunshon@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [WARof1812] Swift's and Dobbins Regiment (1814), New York > Vols. >> >> >> >I am also interested in this regiment and any other NY volunteers. >> > >> > Marianne in sunny Melbourne, Australia >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> If you have anything for Swift's and Dobbins, I, too, have an > interest. >> >> James Beard/Baird of Candor (formerly of Worcester County, >> >> Massachusetts) who >> >> went missing and whose small estate was in probate by 1814. No trace > of >> >> him >> >> anywhere. >> >> >> >> Adele in rainy Seattle >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== >> >> NEW WAR OF 1812 LIST MEMBERS >> >> are encouraged to post your >> >> queries to our list anytime. >> >> >> >> ============================== >> >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== >> > ADDRESS MESSAGES TO: >> > WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com >> > >> > ============================== >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > >> >> >> ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== >> MESSAGE HINT: Limit your per line characters >> to 55 to 70 for a much better return message. >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >