I always wondered about that myself. I have the will (or wills) of James McCommon (the 2nd) and possibly James (the 1st) and did notice that he had his children under the guardian ship of a brother. I at least know now that it was most likely he only had guardianship over their money and property and they continued to live with their mother. I did notice that on a couple of the payment receipts it is was one of the elder sisters collecting the money for her younger brothers. I will have to check, but it may have been because the mother died a couple years later. The sister was married by then. If anyone is interested in James McCommon of Plain grove and wants me to transcribe what I have either on or off list I can try to do this. It might take me a few days to dig out all the papers and some of them were ruined when they were in my trunk and it was "flooded". I plan a trip back to Mercer and New Castle court houses later in the summer to replace some of the info and collect new info, so if anyone wants me to look up anything for them let me know. Renee X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:14:25 -0700 From: "dolores leifheit" <dolores85374@cox.net> To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002501c64c39$5ba11cd0$6401a8c0@de> Subject: Guardianship Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can someone please explain the appointing of guardians (at least in PA 1750-1840) to children after their father dies but the mother remains alive and she, along with the children, receives money and property through a will. I have cases where the children are in their teens, usually female, sometimes a guardian is appointed by the courts, sometimes they 'appoint' their own guardian, sometimes they ask the guardian for 'their money' upon marriage. Other cases where an adult male (over 18 years) is appointed a guardian. Other cases where the children are quite young. Do these children live with the guardian? Thanks for any ideas. Dolores ______________________________ X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:39:37 -0500 From: "R.Musselman" <ram@enter.net> To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00e301c64c3c$e11c12e0$b998c1d8@003559779> Subject: Re: [AMER-REV] Guardianship Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dolores, These are the type of records you can expect to find in each PA county Orphans Court. In most instances the appointed guardian only had a fiduciary responsibility. The child would usually continue to reside with the surviving mother. Until age 14 a child held no standing before the court. A petition for the appointment of guardianship would be made on his/her behalf by an adult. After age 14 the minor could petition the court directly and request the appointment of a specific guardian. In all instances the court was required to approve the request/petition. Throughout most of the time period in question, females usually attained the age of majority at age 18 and males at age 21. The guardian may have been required by the court to post a Bond and later to provide an Accounting. The accounting sheets can provide some very interesting information concerning how the funds were dispersed. Dick Musselman Family History Research & Photography Nazareth, PA X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:21:57 -0800 From: Dean Scribner <dean.scribner@juno.com> To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20060320.112326.3584.10.dean.scribner@juno.com> Subject: Re: [AMER-REV] Guardianship Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not only in the 18th and 19th centuries, but also in the 20th and 21st centuries, minor children were and are not legally able to manage and administer inherited property until they became of legal age, so a guardian must be appointed by the court of probate, or in Pennsylvania the orphans' court. Anyone could petition the court to appoint a guardian, usually nominating a preferred person, and often the minor child was allowed to nominate a guardian, in all cases, always subject to the approval of the court. Only the court can actually "appoint" the guardian. A surviving parent, or any other adult person could be appointed, and the guardianship had nothing to do with determining with whom the child lived. I'm familiar with more than one case where the father was appointed guardian for his own children, because they had inherited from someone unrelated to the father. It all boils down to who is to be legally responsible for protecting and administering the minor child's property until he is of legal age to do so for himself. Also, it is not uncommon for a guardian to be appointed for an adult person who is either physically or mentally unable to properly administer his or her own property. Dean X-Message: #5 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:12:05 -0500 From: "David Armstrong" <heraldry@meer.net> To: AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001b01c64c41$6bf659d0$0589ced8@yourcjyhi9abh9> Subject: Re: [AMER-REV] Guardianship Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You asked about PA and Dick obviously knows more than I do about that, but since part of PA for a time fell in Virginia (depending on who one talked to) perhaps a brief mention of their law would be helpful. Unlike in PA, nearly all functions of government from roads to orphans fell to the county justices. One body, one record, real handy. Chalkley's CHRONICLES, which mentions the Pittsburgh government, has several notations of allowances from the public coffers for families of soldiers, sometimes whether dead or not. It must be remembered that in Virginia the whole matter of whether the justices would act depended on the liklihood of the woman/child becomming an expense to the county. If a girl had an illegitimate child and her father or the father could afford to pay and did so, then no action of the court would appear. Then as now if the maker of the check could not be found then the last endorser was charged. Some guy would be hauled in (fingered as the father - some were, others are questionable) and charged for child support. Or the child may be bound to a trade, which had the result that sometimes the children with the humblest origins and illegitimate births came out on top of society after they were bound to a carpenter, wheelwright, barrel maker, and thus wound up more skilled than their legitimate cohorts who likely stayed in the farming trade. In the absence of a father (killed in action, died of disease, etc.,) the whole family may be provided for by the county but this was rare compared to today and it was more likely the widow would promptly remarry and the child would be "bound". If those concerned could afford to act on their own then sometimes informal arrangements were made (like the "adoption" of one individual here apparently without act by any government body). Also watch for sudden name changes, particularly among boys. I have one Rev. pension (can't seem to lay my hands on it at the moment) in which the claimant said he served the military in a different name as he "went by my step father's name till I was 21". Sudden and abrupt name changes are common. all this will only apply to a small part ot SW PA and then only for about ten years but in case anyone would be interested I posted it. Good luck. Best regards, David Armstrong, Elkins, WV

Please change address to bob.waugh@sympatico.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: <WARof1812-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <WARof1812-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: WARof1812-D Digest V06 #23

To the List: Can anyone tell me where I can find information about Renno's 36th Regiment. Thank you. Phyllis

Can anyone help I have an ancestor who was from Ireland who joined the 4th Irish Dragoons How can I find out where he might of been I am sorry to sound dumb but I am not sure where to look for the records James H Etheridge Eng-MORPETH List owner

Hi everyone, Can someone tell me how to find the names of the men from Willington, Tolland County, CT who enlisted in the Army during the War of 1812? My ancestor, Daniel Fuller, was too young, being born in 1798, but several of his older brothers were of age to enlist. Have a good day, Merrie (Fuller) Sodder

You might check the roll of troops who served under Harrison in the Battle of Tippecanoe. That was actually before the War of 1812 (November 7 1811) but if he was involved in that, he would probably be in the same unit during the war. Here is the URL to find that information. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/tippecanoe/chapter11.html Bob Page <<From: Teresa Barker <tbark@alltel.net> Date: Fri Mar 10 21:24:35 CST 2006 To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WARof1812] General William Henry Harrison War of 1812 John Ritter b1777 NC served under General William Henry Harrison. I know that John was living in Mongomery County, Ohio. Wife was Barbary Garber b 1785. I am new to this list and wondering how to find his unit. He lived to be 90 years old buried in St Joseph County, Indiana. He was in Kentucky before 1803 and he was in Dayton about 1803. Any help would be appreciated. Teresa>>

War of 1812 John Ritter b1777 NC served under General William Henry Harrison. I know that John was living in Mongomery County, Ohio. Wife was Barbary Garber b 1785. I am new to this list and wondering how to find his unit. He lived to be 90 years old buried in St Joseph County, Indiana. He was in Kentucky before 1803 and he was in Dayton about 1803. Any help would be appreciated. Teresa

Hello! Does anyone know anything about Col. Churchill's Regiment, the 164th of the New York Militia. I believe this was a Genesee County unit. Where did they serve? What action did they see? I had an ancestor in "Capt. Buell's Company": Sgt. Ebenezer Lawrence (1783-1864) Thank you, John "Letter writing is the only device for combining solitude and good company." - Lord Byron (1788-1824) "One more shot for the honour of Down!" - Rollicking Rollo (1766-1814) Hero of County Down, IR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello. I'm a college grad student in Washington, DC. Recently, I have been doing some personal family research at the Archives, and realized that I could be doing this for people at a much quicker pace than the people at the Archives. Generally, a request received by the Archives takes several months, at a minimum, to be processed. So, being that grad school is expensive and I could use a little bit of help to pay some student loans, I am offering to do military research (service files, pension files, etc) at the Archives. The fee that I would be asking for would be reasonable, so as to compensate my time, printing costs and postage for what I will send you. If you are interested, please just email me at texlabooks@gmail.com Take care. Kelley

On 5 Mar 2006 at 14:04, Pat J. wrote: > Where would I find the service records for Eli Hinds who served with > the 2nd Regiment (Fifield's) Vermont Militia. Would there be a VT > source or would they all be at the NARA? Eli was born 28 Aug. 1791, > Hubbardston, Worcester, MA and died 4 Jun 1872, Johnson, Lamoille, VT. There would only be records at NARA if the unit was mustered into federal service. -- Paula Wiegand Genealogy Quest www.Genealogy-Quest.com

Where would I find the service records for Eli Hinds who served with the 2nd Regiment (Fifield's) Vermont Militia. Would there be a VT source or would they all be at the NARA? Eli was born 28 Aug. 1791, Hubbardston, Worcester, MA and died 4 Jun 1872, Johnson, Lamoille, VT. Thank you. Pat J.

I requested the assistance of researcher for the National Archives to look up the following pension record as I was finding it very challenging at the website spending hours in the search engines and with some information to go I finally declared that I need professional help. It was worth the fee to see this record that has had us stumped for months. I wanted to share with you a tid bit of it. Margaret Bullock Roberts is listed in No. 680 Pension Claim for the War of 1812 Act of February 14, 1871 as the widow of ElIAKIM ROBERTS who enlisted and served under three companies from 18 Sept 1812 to 9 Dec 1814 under the New York Militia. There is mention of a Captain Andrew Brown's company, unknown regiment and brigade but states Hackets Harbor on the summer and fall of 1812. The pension record is full of rejections with the issue of when Margaret and Eliakim were actually married as one rejection date states that the marriage was not prior to Feb 17, 1815 but that it was 10 Dec 1820. Later in the Declaration of a Widow for Pension (1July 1, 1872) Margaret states with her attorneys, Samuel.G. Hopkins and H. Shafer, that "she declares that she is the widow of ELIAKIM ROBERTS who served the full period of sixty days in the Militia service of the United States in the War of 1812 and who has the identical ELIAKIM ROBERTS who enlisted and served in Captian Andrew Brown's company, regiment___, Brigade____, division at Sacketts Harbor on the summer and fall of 1812 and was honorably discharged on 1813 or 1814 that the informant says she thinks that her said husband succeeded said Andrew Brown as Captain of said company and informant has received a law warrant of said __(unreadable) of said husband that she was married under the name of MARGARET BULLOCK to said ELIAKIM ROBERTS on the day of December, A.D. 1814 by Rev. Miller of Canajoharie, NY; there being no legal barrier to such marriage; that her said husband died at _____(unreadable) Wayne County on the month! of August, 1837 and that she has not remarried since his death..." Margaret's name is listed after the Honorable John Fulton, of Carthage, NY to issue her claim. There is a note that states that there were two witnesses that testify that they were present at the marriage of ELIAKIM ROBERTS and MARGARET BULLOC on 10 Dec 1820 and one witness testified he was present at funeral of said soldier. (signed) JOHN SHERMAN, July 15, 1871. The residence listed is Wilma, Carthage Co, NY. Margaret or Margret is listed as a BULLOCK and her birthdate is 1795 in Montgomery County, New York and she died in New York State. Children listed as follows: 1.. Hiram Roberts born 14 August 1825 Schnectady, NY married Catherine Scramling 22 July 1850 and died in 13 Nov 1903 in Ionia, MIchigan 2.. Erastus M, born 1826, NY, moved to Lyons, MIchigan per a 1850 census - married Jane 3.. William, born 1828, Schenectady, NY, worked in furniture factory 4.. Eliacum (Jr), born 1829, Canajoharie, NY, carpenter 5.. Samuel, unknown date, School teacher in Schnectedy, NY 6.. Andrew, 1820, To Lyons MI and to Wisconsin about 1870 It is possible that the following are relatives and not children if Eliakim died between 1830-1837: 7.. Nathan, unknown date (Note: this maybe a brother to Eliacum Sr as his age on the 1880 Ionia Census was 72) Unverified. 8.. Zachary, unknown date, from New York State and then to Pensacola, Florida 9.. Anna E Roberts, 1841, per 1880 census, Lyons Township, Ionia, County (page 39, PP29, Village of Lyons, Michigan I wanted to share this information for this Margaret Bullock possible daughter of Reuben and Anna Bockes Bullock of Duchess County who moved to Canayoharie, Montgomery County in 1811 to see if there is anyone else researching the same individuals. SRoberts

Hello, Could anyone on the list tell me if there were Tennessee State Pensions for the War of 1812? Are there any records for this war at the state level? Randolph Cheek served from TN but did not receive a federal pension; I am looking for state records now. Thanks for your help. Stephanie in Oregon

Charles, It is because you or are subscribed to the War of 1812 list, therefore, you will have to unsubscribe from it. Otherwise, these are the normal back and forth 1812 discussion messages that come with the agreement you made to join the list and you will keep receiving them. None of us are the administrators of the list. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Charles Morgan [mailto:cwmorgan38@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:59 PM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [WARof1812] Battle of the River Raisin Hi - for some reason I am on all your email regarding River Basin. PLEASE TAKE MY NAME OFF YOUR EMAIL LISTS - THANK YOU! CWMORGAN38@COMCAST.NET -----Original Message----- From: Richard Moxley [mailto:rmoxley@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:54 PM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WARof1812] Battle of the River Raisin I want to thank everyone who answered my email about my ancestor, Capt. Robert Alexander, and the Battle of the River Raisin. I have been looking up all your suggestions and learning a great deal of history. Bob Walker's web site was very helpful. In chapter XVll, footnote 36 of the book he posted - a Major Alexander was mentioned.He was commander of a PA rifle company of volunteers in Campbell's expedition Dec 1812. I am now looking for his first name. He was not found in the British dead or on the Kentucky Militia list of the dead. Thank you all for your help. Joan ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== WAR of 1812 LIST ADMINISTRATOR <<<commander@sunlitsurf.com>>> ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== MESSAGE HINT: Limit your per line characters to 55 to 70 for a much better return message. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi - for some reason I am on all your email regarding River Basin. PLEASE TAKE MY NAME OFF YOUR EMAIL LISTS - THANK YOU! CWMORGAN38@COMCAST.NET -----Original Message----- From: Richard Moxley [mailto:rmoxley@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:54 PM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WARof1812] Battle of the River Raisin I want to thank everyone who answered my email about my ancestor, Capt. Robert Alexander, and the Battle of the River Raisin. I have been looking up all your suggestions and learning a great deal of history. Bob Walker's web site was very helpful. In chapter XVll, footnote 36 of the book he posted - a Major Alexander was mentioned.He was commander of a PA rifle company of volunteers in Campbell's expedition Dec 1812. I am now looking for his first name. He was not found in the British dead or on the Kentucky Militia list of the dead. Thank you all for your help. Joan ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== WAR of 1812 LIST ADMINISTRATOR <<<commander@sunlitsurf.com>>> ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I want to thank everyone who answered my email about my ancestor, Capt. Robert Alexander, and the Battle of the River Raisin. I have been looking up all your suggestions and learning a great deal of history. Bob Walker's web site was very helpful. In chapter XVll, footnote 36 of the book he posted - a Major Alexander was mentioned.He was commander of a PA rifle company of volunteers in Campbell's expedition Dec 1812. I am now looking for his first name. He was not found in the British dead or on the Kentucky Militia list of the dead. Thank you all for your help. Joan

Hello Am I correct in thinking that most listers are Americans & therefore won't know anything about the British side? My g g g grandfather JAMES WALKER served in 10th Royal Veteran Battalion, later the 4th RVB. He was discharged to pension 1816 & lost - totally. I was wondering if he was listed in the River raisin battle? Margaret England -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1122 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

The British called it the Battle of Frenchtown. The book 'Wampum Denied, Procter's War of 1812', by Sandy Antal, 1997, gives much of the British view of the history of the War of 1812. The 10th Royal Veteran Battalion is mentioned, but not particularly in that battle. The text has details of the battle, but does not give the British units involved by regiment. The 4th Royal Veteran Battalion is not mentioned. Details of individual British units are not mentioned in 'Remember the Raisin' by G. Glenn Clift. You might try the National Archives in Ottawa. Scott Baker -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Holmes [mailto:margaret@bholmes48.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:09 AM To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WARof1812] River Raisin Hello Am I correct in thinking that most listers are Americans & therefore won't know anything about the British side? My g g g grandfather JAMES WALKER served in 10th Royal Veteran Battalion, later the 4th RVB. He was discharged to pension 1816 & lost - totally. I was wondering if he was listed in the River raisin battle? Margaret England -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1122 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES Some members delete list mail based solely upon a subject you've gave your message. BE SURE TO GIVE THEM REALLY GOOD ONES OK ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Can anyone tell me if 1812 Records would show the parents of my 1812 soldier? and if so, how do I obtain such a record? thanks..

In a message dated 2/23/2006 5:05:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, doug@wdgordon.com writes: It took place near present-day Monroe, MI, which is off of I-75 between Toledo and Detroit. There is a historical site and museum in the area. Although it is not too far from where I live, and I have passed that way probably hundreds of times, I've never stopped there. I'll have to put it on my list. At least I finally made it to Fort Meigs, where it is possible that my g-g-grandfather spent some time. After the slaughter of the wounded soldiers by the Indian allies of the British, the phrase "Remember the Raisin" became a rallying cry in many frontier areas such as Kentucky, and led to a lot of volunteers signing up. Doug Gordon Doug, if your g-g-grandfather was from Kentucky take a look at my War of 1812 website. It is all about Fort Meigs and lists all the Kentuckians that I could locate. _http://members.aol.com/rwa5352802/ftmeigs/_ (http://members.aol.com/rwa5352802/ftmeigs/) It has a small search engine. Regards, Bob Walker Personal Genealogy Page: http://members.aol.com/rwa5352802 For a discussion on the Walkers of Knox County, KY (and beyond) and Hawkins County, TN, join us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hawkins_Walkers/ War of 1812 - Battle for Fort Meigs: http://members.aol.com/rwa5352802/ftmeigs Walker Surname DNA Study (Group GR-18) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fabercove/test_results.htm