In a message dated 11/27/01 7:17:36 PM Central Standard Time, lwhit@alltel.net writes: << John Ward born in 1804 in NC married Elizabeth? children Hamilton . 1829 Frances b. 1831 Monty b. 1835 Marrianne b. 1835 Joe b. 1845 John b. Jan 8 1854 in Missouri Nancy b. Jan 1896 Mary b.Feb 1898 >> Mother would have to have been in her 70s to have the oldest ones. Annie in Minnesota