Thanks to all for the wonderful lessons in history. I find it all very interesting. All these stories help us to better understand our ancestors and the sacrifices they made. HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY! Vikki Tommie Horn wrote: > > Here are some sites that might answer some of your questions. This > discussion came up on another list and since my grandmother had always said > we were "Black Dutch" I was very curious and check out several sites. Hope > this will answer at least some of your questions. > Tommie > > http://www.genealogymagazine.com/datatrace/in.html > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Black+Dutch%22 > > http://rosecity.net/cherokee/blackdutch.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: AR WARDs > > > These are some things that I was told today. They make very much > > sense to me, but please let me know what you have heard and if this > > information is sound. > > > > I have learned that the Cherokee people had many light skinned, > blue > > eyed and light haired in their number. Their hair was generally redder > than > > most Native Americans. > > > > If you have been told that your Wards are Black Irish, or Black > > Dutch, that is a euphemism for Cherokee, as the blood had to be hidden up > > until about 1960 or the threat of having your land taken and being sent to > a > > reservation was very real. > > > > When I was a child I would have people as if I was "Indian" so I > > asked my dad. He told me that was always a possibility but That we were > > Black Irish and Scots. When I asked what Black Irish were he told me > that > > those were the native people of Ireland, like the Indians were the native > > people of America. This was 35 years or so ago, and I have always told > my > > child and anyone who asked I was Black Irish and Scots. Have I been > saying > > Cherokee and Scots all these years and not known it? > > > > Anyone have an answer ????? > > > >

Due to the hair and eye coloring and connections with Hills, I went back and discussed this with my dad who remembers his grandmother. I have found a few more dates. William Thomas Ward b. 5-8-???? to 9-3-40 married Mary V. Pruitt 9-10-???? - 10-4-1960. They had 7 children: William Henry Ward b. 1913, Annie Elizabeth Ward 03-19-11 - 04-05-76, Louise Ward Wilson, Sadie Ward Walker, Robert Thomas Ward 1927 - 10-11-1983 (served in WW 2 but kept going AWOL), Peggy Ward Burch (left home as a young adult and was last heard from in Las Vegas) and Vernon Ward. Almost all are were red haired and blue eyed. Red hair was on both sides of the family both Wards and Pruitt. Annie Elizabeth Ward married my grand father, Alfred David Hill. His g-grandfather, Thomas W. Hill, came from Scotland with 2 brothers. The brothers went west and were never heard from again. If anyone can connect to either of these families, please let me know. I am at a brick wall with the ward family. Thanks to all for your help!! Tammy Ratledge

Albert Ward was killed while on leave from the CSA, he died in his wife Sarah R Holts arms. their children were: Elizabeth May Nancy John M b. 1862 his so Grover C Ward m. Mabel Smith their only known son John Motgomery Ward b. 1923 died in flight training in Corpus Christi TX 1943 as a Marine Fighter Pilot. This info comes from the Annuals of Upper Ga centered in Gilmer Co Ga by, GG Ward. Barbara of Ca

This is one of my Ward lines that supposedly went to TX or OK Ulissus Sterling Ward b. 1865 Ga. d. 1908 1. Lawrence Ward b. 1886 prob Ga 2. Ralph Ward b. 1887 3.Gary Ward b. 1888 4. Maggie Ward b. 1889 5. Jennings Ward b. 1900 m. Dorothy Phillips 6. Freddie Ward b. 1901 Anyone connected to these Wards Barbara of Ca

But, genetics are a part of genealogy. I am so stuck on my great grandparents I had never thought to check out the unusual chance of hair color and types (red, curly hair with blue eyes). This is a strong family trait in my family. I know my paternal family was Scottish but the traits do not come from that side. It is truly the Ward side. Sincerely, Tammy Hill Ratledge

I am having so much trouble tracing my VA/NC Wards but one of the recent posts caught my attention. My paternal grandmother was a Ward. She was a red head and so was her mother and several brothers. Her first child of 5 was a red head but was still born. The rest had dark brown hair and dark skin. My dad tells me that a resemble my great grandmother a great deal. I have red hair and blue eyes which I understand is typical of this line of Wards. I am the only grandchild out of 13 with red hair. Are there other Wards with red hair? I would be interested to know. Sincerely, Tammy Hill Ratledge Researching William Thomas Ward who married Mary Pruitt late 1800's in VA/NC. Not much information here.

Try these.....the 2nd one has an answer to your last question below. http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks.html http://www.pastracks.com/states/arkansas/guide/ar-emigrate/welcome.htm [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samantha Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 8:27 PM Subject: Re: AR WARDs > Don't think my WARD was Native American because my paternal grandmother was > blond and blue eyed. Her father was supposedly born in AR, then migrated to > TX before 1875 because that was the year his oldest daughter was born and > all five daughters were born in TX. I've never seen any pictures of three > of the sisters, and the one I met when I was a child had white hair and blue > eyes. > > I've also often wondered what the draw to Arkansas was because I because my > paternal great grandparents (a totally different branch!) moved there from > Georgia--but they also ended up in TX! But they were in Arkansas at the > same time. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Samantha > California > >

NO, I don't know what county. I am not sure it took place in Arkansas or Kansas. Annette

Here are some sites that might answer some of your questions. This discussion came up on another list and since my grandmother had always said we were "Black Dutch" I was very curious and check out several sites. Hope this will answer at least some of your questions. Tommie http://www.genealogymagazine.com/datatrace/in.html http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Black+Dutch%22 http://rosecity.net/cherokee/blackdutch.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 9:01 PM Subject: Re: AR WARDs > These are some things that I was told today. They make very much > sense to me, but please let me know what you have heard and if this > information is sound. > > I have learned that the Cherokee people had many light skinned, blue > eyed and light haired in their number. Their hair was generally redder than > most Native Americans. > > If you have been told that your Wards are Black Irish, or Black > Dutch, that is a euphemism for Cherokee, as the blood had to be hidden up > until about 1960 or the threat of having your land taken and being sent to a > reservation was very real. > > When I was a child I would have people as if I was "Indian" so I > asked my dad. He told me that was always a possibility but That we were > Black Irish and Scots. When I asked what Black Irish were he told me that > those were the native people of Ireland, like the Indians were the native > people of America. This was 35 years or so ago, and I have always told my > child and anyone who asked I was Black Irish and Scots. Have I been saying > Cherokee and Scots all these years and not known it? > > Anyone have an answer ????? > >

Leota, The only place name I have for my great grandfather in Texas is Cass Co for the 1880 census. Otherwise, I'm at a loss as to anywhere he was! Samantha

Do you have a Wiley Ward or any Wards living in or near Mathis Tx. Leota [email protected] Samantha Wilson wrote: > Don't think my WARD was Native American because my paternal grandmother was > blond and blue eyed. Her father was supposedly born in AR, then migrated to > TX before 1875 because that was the year his oldest daughter was born and > all five daughters were born in TX. I've never seen any pictures of three > of the sisters, and the one I met when I was a child had white hair and blue > eyes. > > I've also often wondered what the draw to Arkansas was because I because my > paternal great grandparents (a totally different branch!) moved there from > Georgia--but they also ended up in TX! But they were in Arkansas at the > same time. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Samantha > California

I have often wondered this also. My Wards were American Indian and I've wondered it it was an offer of free land. Vikki wrote: > Hello my friendly genealogist - historians, > > Question, (and pardon my lack of knowledge) why did so many Ward's > migrate to Arkansas? Educate me. > > Vikki > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/29/00 12:43:40 PM Central Daylight Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > << Dear Researchers, > > > > I am looking for information on my great grandmother Della or Idella > > Chambless. She married a John Ward sometime between 1904 - 1906. This was > > her second marriage. He maiden name was Rowland and was born in Arkansas. > > >> > > Do you know what county in Arkansas this marriage took place? > > > > Matt Ward

Hi, just to clarify things, there is NO KNOWN RELATIONSHIP between Andrew WARDE and Joyce (Trafford) WARD. Joyce's family, including the FLETCHER line, moved to Newark NJ. Joyce Ward of Wethersfield CT was definitely married to Richard Ward of Stretton, Rutlandshire. He died in 1635, and his will is reproduced in the "New York Gen. and Bio. Record", vol. 49 (I think that was around 1918). There isn't any question; his will names his sons the same way as Joyce's will does, and he mentions his daughter in law Mary Fletcher. The "Stephen" thing came I think from Stiles "History of Ancient Wethersfield" and even he had a ? by the name. I think there has been some recent work on Andrew WARDE, but I don't have notes on it. As far as I know he has never been traced. But Joyce's origin in England is well documented. Michael Ward > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: CT Wards > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:46:38 -0500 > From: Ward Lee Ward <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > For Leslie, et al, > > You can find much of the info you're researching at the following WWW > address: > http://bc1.com/USERS/LCHAMBER/WARD.HTM > > I believe that you'll find that the parents of Andrew Warde, Sr. who > married Hester (Esther) Sherman were not Richard Warde and Anne Guiville, but > more likely StephenWard and Joyce Trafford. But all data with such distant > beginnings > is suspect to many Ward family researchers. > > You may note the corrections/additions within the < data > arrows in your > message below. Contact me for a GED of my data at this email address or also > at [email protected] > > Ward Lee Ward > AKA [email protected] > AKA The Kansas "genie" > > lhc wrote: > > > Anyone else tracing these Wards originating in England and settling in > > Fairfield Co., CT? > > > > RICHARD WARDE <Stephen> > > b. abt 1574 > > & ANNE GUIVILLE <Joyce Trafford> > > b. abt 1576 > > | ANDREW WARDE1 > > | b. abt 1602, <1597> <Leicestershire, Northamptonshire> England > > | d. 18 Oct 1659, <28 Feb.1660> Fairfield, Fairfield Co., CT > > | & HESTER SHERMAN > > | b. abt 1605, <April 04, 1606> Dedham, Essex, England > > | d. 1665, <February 23, 1666/67> Fairfield, Fairfield Co., CT > > | m. 1 Feb 1618/19, <February 01, 1623/24> <Berkampsted,Suffolk,Eng.> >

In my James Ward b. 1786 NC/Martha Patsy Ledbetter b. 1790 NC line we have quite a few very Blonde, Blue eyed, extreamly fair offspring. This family was huge and many of the children are unaccounted for. It was noted in a Ward book that several left Ga and moved to TX and OK. Martha was reportedly very fair complected with pale blonde hair and blue eyes. Barbara of Ca

Don't think my WARD was Native American because my paternal grandmother was blond and blue eyed. Her father was supposedly born in AR, then migrated to TX before 1875 because that was the year his oldest daughter was born and all five daughters were born in TX. I've never seen any pictures of three of the sisters, and the one I met when I was a child had white hair and blue eyes. I've also often wondered what the draw to Arkansas was because I because my paternal great grandparents (a totally different branch!) moved there from Georgia--but they also ended up in TX! But they were in Arkansas at the same time. Anyone have any ideas? Samantha California

Thanks , Tommie...... I am sure when i dig back in to my Wards i'll be back. Faith ----- Original Message ----- From: Tommie Horn <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Unsubscribing > Try this but hopefully you will come back soon. > Tommie > > 1. How to unsubscribe. Send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains (in the body of the message) the command > > unsubscribe > > and no additional text. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Faith Poplin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 10:31 AM > Subject: Unsubscribing > > > > Could someone please send me instructions for unsubscribing to the list. I > > lost them when my computer crashed. > > Faith > > > > >

Hello my friendly genealogist - historians, Question, (and pardon my lack of knowledge) why did so many Ward's migrate to Arkansas? Educate me. Vikki [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 6/29/00 12:43:40 PM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Dear Researchers, > > I am looking for information on my great grandmother Della or Idella > Chambless. She married a John Ward sometime between 1904 - 1906. This was > her second marriage. He maiden name was Rowland and was born in Arkansas. > >> > Do you know what county in Arkansas this marriage took place? > > Matt Ward

These are some things that I was told today. They make very much sense to me, but please let me know what you have heard and if this information is sound. I have learned that the Cherokee people had many light skinned, blue eyed and light haired in their number. Their hair was generally redder than most Native Americans. If you have been told that your Wards are Black Irish, or Black Dutch, that is a euphemism for Cherokee, as the blood had to be hidden up until about 1960 or the threat of having your land taken and being sent to a reservation was very real. When I was a child I would have people as if I was "Indian" so I asked my dad. He told me that was always a possibility but That we were Black Irish and Scots. When I asked what Black Irish were he told me that those were the native people of Ireland, like the Indians were the native people of America. This was 35 years or so ago, and I have always told my child and anyone who asked I was Black Irish and Scots. Have I been saying Cherokee and Scots all these years and not known it? Anyone have an answer ?????

In a message dated 06/28/2000 8:48:06 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << This person was 171 years old >> Yes, that's what I said in my *little* joke...it's just that I can't find any record of death that makes me joke that he must still be alive.

In a message dated 6/29/00 4:15:27 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Question, (and pardon my lack of knowledge) why did so many Ward's migrate to Arkansas? Educate me. >> I don't know why my Wards were motivated to migrate there, but many of the Arkansas Wards I believe are descendants of the Cherokee Wards. The Trail of Tears led to Arkansas, (later to Oklahoma).