In a message dated 97-07-20 11:26:49 EDT, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com writes: << Subj: Re: Dayna Cohen McMullen <mcmullen@BIGFOOT.COM>: [D-S] BEWARE--Your data could b Date: 97-07-20 11:26:49 EDT From: davids@agate.net (David Sylvester) Resent-from: HUNT-L@rootsweb.com To: minamb@juno.com (Mina M Bickerstaff), Green-L@rootsweb.com, Wright-L@rootsweb.com, SPILMAN-L@rootsweb.com, SUDDARTH-L@rootsweb.com, WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com, HUGHES-L@rootsweb.com, GREENE-L@rootsweb.com, WINGFIELD-L@rootsweb.com, RowanRoots-L@rootsweb.com, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com, WISEMAN-L@rootsweb.com, Butler-L@rootsweb.com, Clarke-L@rootsweb.com, RAN-CLAY-L@rootsweb.com At 09:13 PM 7/19/97 EDT, Mina M Bickerstaff wrote: [snip] >TWGA is located at: <http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/> >Maintained by a dirtbag named Matt Roller. [snip] I don't think that is called for. No matter what anybody did or is being accused of. David --- ... I researched my family tree... apparently I don't exist! davids@agate.net - http://www.agate.net/~davids/geneal.html _______ .------|_______ David Sylvester ------+ _______ PO Box 135 `------|_______ Searsport, Maine 04974 Member: New England Historic Genealogical Society Member: The International Internet Genealogy Society ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- From HUNT-L-request@rootsweb.com Sun Jul 20 11:26:52 1997 Return-Path: <HUNT-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by emin23.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA23216; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA05427; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 08:25:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 08:25:05 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199707201523.LAA16673@service.agate.net> X-Sender: davids@agate.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: minamb@juno.com (Mina M Bickerstaff), Green-L@rootsweb.com, Wright-L@rootsweb.com, SPILMAN-L@rootsweb.com, SUDDARTH-L@rootsweb.com, WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com, HUGHES-L@rootsweb.com, GREENE-L@rootsweb.com, WINGFIELD-L@rootsweb.com, RowanRoots-L@rootsweb.com, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com, WISEMAN-L@rootsweb.com, Butler-L@rootsweb.com, Clarke-L@rootsweb.com, RAN-CLAY-L@rootsweb.com From: David Sylvester <davids@agate.net> Subject: Re: Dayna Cohen McMullen <mcmullen@BIGFOOT.COM>: [D-S] BEWARE--Your data could be taken next..(long) Resent-Message-ID: <"cAOsrD.A.AFB.g2i0z"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: HUNT-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HUNT-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/206 X-Loop: HUNT-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HUNT-L-request@rootsweb.com >> David: I, too, have researched my family tree and that of many others. One of my files---that of 12,000 Hunts---of which many were from Virginia BTW---are involved. I don't think you understand the problem. I put my entire twenty years work on a web page dedicated to HUNT researchers and this person whom Mima describes well, plagiarized many person's work of years duration and presents it as his own on this page.I also belong to the organizations you mention and I believe they too would be vehemently against this! Felicia P.S. I think you owe Mina an apology.

This answers my question. Please disregard the first. I wish to thank whomever for any and all information. To me, being new to genealogy it isx all very interesting, especially being the grandson of Ella Mae Wallace and the g grandson of John Daniel Wallace. You now know who and what I am. God bless everybody and lets knock off this fighting and help each other. Joe Gauthier.

What in the hell is this all about???? Cousin Joe G...................................

I totally agree with Nance!!!!! David Neil Wallis

In a message dated 97-07-20 14:52:04 EDT, you write: << You all sound like a bunch of cry-babies, if you want the damn credit write a BOOK! David Neil Wallis 2261 NW 52 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73112 >> ---------------------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--------------------------- Dear All; Although I would not state my views as vividly as David (above) I do agree with him. I am an Author, Scottish Clan Historian, and interested in my Grandmother Wallace's family. I can tell you, that if you give out the information, to anyone, including databases, you have no right to a copyright. Only original material, such as a book, article, poetry, etc, can be copyrighted. Giving someone of your records; albeit you may have done the research; does not make them liable for copyright infringement. Once you type the information to anyone, you are GIVING THE INFORMATION to the public. Whether they are cemetary records, court house records, it matters not, they are public records, and perhaps you could have kept them "secret". Maybe no one would have gone to the same cemetary or court house and would have never found this information. However, isn't that a little selfish? We ask so many to help us in our quest for knowledge of past relatives, do we then not share what we have learned also? It is a matter for morality I guess, of the individual, however, .....you offered the information; and it was public records, that makes it public domain and there is no way you are going to collect on any "copyright infringement". I have had some years of knowledge about copyright, due to what I do, and there is just no "case" here. You don't go to a database company, give them the information and then cry "foul", when they print it. It doesn't work that way. I am new and was hesitant to write, but it is getting absurd to 'boycott' and try to 'shut someone down' for providing a service. I give so much information away free, to Scottish and other people each day on my list and I do it freely, so that they may become better informed about Scotland and Scottish Culture, some history. Only the "most original articles" are copyright. Why do I do that?? for the love of Scotland and to get rid of so much disinformation that is out there. If I could find my grandmother Wallace's ancestory, I would (and have) given all the information I have to anyone who will look at it. I didn't do it for self-glorification, I did it to find out what I could. If someone else can learn something by my information then I find that to be a wonderful thing. Sorry, I warned you, I am an author, off the soap box now....... Thanks to you who will read this......to those who won't ......I don't care. We should work to keep the internet free of government regulations, with regulation perhaps we could not trade this information that would otherwise be, ...... charged for. Best Regards, Nance

Where are these web sites that are being critized about stealing information from the list and/or websites. I've posted my family tree, I bet he doesn't have the whole tree! I only went to my grandfather. David Neil Wallis 2261 NW 52 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73112

You all sound like a bunch of cry-babies, if you want the damn credit write a BOOK! David Neil Wallis 2261 NW 52 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73112 --------------------- Forwarded message: From: PWilson411@aol.com Resent-from: WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com To: mcmullen@bigfoot.com CC: minamb@juno.com, Green-L@rootsweb.com, Wright-L@rootsweb.com, SPILMAN-L@rootsweb.com, SUDDARTH-L@rootsweb.com, WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com, HUGHES-L@rootsweb.com, GREENE-L@rootsweb.com, WINGFIELD-L@rootsweb.com, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com, WISEMAN-L@rootsweb.com, Butler-L@rootsweb.com, Clarke-L@rootsweb.com, RAN-CLAY-L@rootsweb.com Date: 97-07-20 14:35:06 EDT This is JUST my opinion regarding the current discussions: Dayna -- IF you TRULY wanted to share them, then why are you complaining??????? EVERYTHING at the site is material YOU (and everyone else) loaded as FTP files to GENWEB sites all over the web. EACH FILE has the personal information of the person who SUBMITTED IT FOR PUBLICATION ON THE SITES IN QUESTION. All he did was ADVERTISE your information, and provide an INDEX for all of us to find YOUR information more easily. FREE ADVERTISING AT THAT. I didn't see anything CREATIVE that was published at his site. Not even one bit of fancy graphics. I am TOTALLY surprised that you have this attitude when you run websites for GENWEB. I would NEVER have found your information without his INDEX!! <<Don't you realize that this dirtbag has not spent one second typing up the very records you enjoyed at his site?>> You are correct... he didn't type them. He simply INDEXED them for all of us poor people who have trouble finding all the sites that MIGHT have information on our families. What I saw out there was PUBLIC records. Public records can NOT be copyrighted. I was not aware that simply typing these records made them yours. Where did you find the information you typed up, by the way. From some book? <<He stole them from me and others like me.>> He didn't STEAL them, he simply INDEXED THE INFORMATION SO WE COULD ALL FIND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From what I could tell... he provided an index to ALL the USGENWEB site information in ONE handy place. When you clicked on a file, it took you directly to the FTP file that YOU uploaded. <<It's the same as me coming into your house and stealing your family bible and putting it on my coffee table and saying it's mine. Does that sound fair to you?>> It is NOT the same. If you print a copy of the Bible pages in the newspaper, and I buy the paper the information is now MINE. I did not go into your home and take it. You uploaded a file and made it available to everyone. << We put these cemetery records and such on our web pages to share with you and Matt Roller came around to our web pages and snagged our work without ever asking us. Is that ill-gotten gains or what? And then it's rubbing salt in our wounds to see you praise him.>> You uploaded the information to a GENWEB site, and did NOT block its download. IF you TRULY wanted to share the information, then why are you complaining ??????? All he did was ADVERTISE your information, and provide an INDEX for all of us to find YOUR information more easily. FREE ADVERTISING AT THAT. I would think ALL these site would be happy to have someone provide a comprehensive AD for them. If I found something interesting and helpful, I would definately email the submitter, AND visit their site, for MORE information. I think you are TOTALLY wrong, and so do all these other people. HOWEVER, you are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Peggy Sue Wilson Subj: web discussion Date: 97-07-20 11:13:05 EDT From: njadams@geocities.com (Norma Adams) To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Good Morning, I try never to get involved in these discussions, but I cannot sit idly by any longer. My personal feeling is that if I post something in a public place, anyone who wants is welcome to read it or copy the information for their personal use. If anyone wants to put it one a web page for all to use, they have my blessings to do so. I have found much information on the different web sites, such as Genweb, Gendex, etc., in a short period of time. It would have taken many years and miles of travel to otherwise get this information. I, for one, am against anyone trying to shut down anything!! Once something like that got started, it more than likely would be a domino effect, and we would all be right back where we started....taking pencil and paper to every courthouse and library and cemetery we could find. I'm sure no one is deliberatly "stealing" someone else's work. I figure that if I toss it out for everyone to see, they are more than welcome to it. If I prefer not to share, I'll keep it private. I think we have much more to lose than to gain, by any kind of a "shutdown" movement. There have been countless people donating immeasurable hours and spending their own money, to get the genealogy sites where they are today. Let's not destroy such a valuable tool in genealogical research. Thank you for your time. Norma Adams, Middletown, Oh. So, it looks like it is a "moot" point. Too bad, I was really getting some good info too!! And I didn't mind how much of my online info, they used. I share with everyone, trying to help others. It would just let more people have access to my surnames which might, in turn, help me. How sad. MHO, Marylyn Subj: Re: Data on the Web Date: 97-07-20 09:45:38 EDT From: FamilyHart@aol.com Resent-from: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, somgen-l@sirius.dsenter.com Note: This is part of an ongoing discussion on rootsweb. Warning: I am indeed on the soapbox. I have been doing research now for over 35 years. I started doing research well before the advent of the PC. It was a lot of work doing it the old paper way. I started doing the PC thing on the first IBM PC when it first came out. That made life a whole lot better. I now have a database of over 150,000 linked individuals and have another 2or300,000 sitting on the shelf to comperterize. My family from one end of the country to the other has sent that to me and more. My wife and I spend tens of hours a week laboring putting this information in the computer. We travel four times a year via plane, rented car and meals on the road with its associated expenses to verify the data that we have. And yet with all of this... We give our information away freely. We share it gladly. We have requests made to us weekly to add links from someone else's site to ours. We answer positively. We have our information "stolen" continually for which we are happy! The only request I have ever made is do not sell what we give you but do the same as we do, give it away freely. Our works are copyrighted for style and presentation. This is only to protect its shareability and make sure it is free to all. We would only enforce copyright to the extent that someone else is trying to sell it. If someone else is giving away our information under their name, oh well. If they repackage it, there is nothing to do about it anyway. Copyright law is very specific. You can not copyright facts. Period! You can not copyright public documents. Period! If you do genealogy for other than altruistic pursuits, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Don's opinion: it should be for love and respect of those who went before. Others have their own opinions as to the above but this is mine. Don Hartman Subj: Re: Data on the Web Date: 97-07-20 09:50:23 EDT From: FamilyHart@aol.com Resent-from: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com I just saw the note from Marilyn about the questionable site being shut down until "copyright material" is removed. That is unfortunate and sends a chilling effect through the community. It is also too bad that people do not know copyright law well enough to defend against such actions. Don Subj: Data on the Web Date: 97-07-20 10:33:16 EDT From: jdcoates@aa.net (John Coates) Resent-from: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: rowanroots-l@rootsweb.com (RowanRoots-L), COATES-L@rootsweb.com (Coates-L) As you may or may not be aware there is currently a major controversy regarding genealogical data on the Internet. I will not detail them here, there are several lists where that is the topic of the day, but they deal with the possible "copyright" infringement by a couple individuals. The individuals do not appear to be involved in any commercial venture. Whether or not there was actual copyright infringement is of little interest to me. What is of major concern to me is the restriction of, or claims of any kind on information generated by my activities. For 5 years I have been involved with the free an unrestricted sharing of genealogical information on the Internet. I intend to continue to do so. Any information posted on any list or web site that I support is and will remain FREE AND OPEN TO ALL. I hope that it is not used for commercial purposes, but I claim no ownership and do not see how I could prevent it. Thank You John Coates - List Admin for RowanRoots-L and Coates-L Web site maintainer for Alexnader, Davidson and Rowan County NCGenWeb sites jdcoates@aa.net Rowan Co, NCGenWeb Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrowan/rowan.htm Davidson Co, NCGenWeb Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdavids/davidson.htm Alexander County, NCGenWeb Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncalexan/alexander.htm RowanRoots-L, Discussion List for "Old" Rowan Co., NC http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrowan/rowanroots-l.htm COATES/COATS/COATE Surname List, http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/coates-l.htm At 09:13 PM 7/19/97 EDT, Mina M Bickerstaff wrote: [snip] >TWGA is located at: <http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/> >Maintained by a dirtbag named Matt Roller. [snip] I don't think that is called for. No matter what anybody did or is being accused of. Subj: Data on the Web Date: 97-07-20 01:09:17 EDT From: CrumpJSC@aol.com Resent-from: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Peggy, I'm with you. I do this stuff for a living (as does Dayna by her ad in her address) and it's common knowledge that once it's out there, it's basically free for the taking. Add to that the additional info that you were kind enough to research from the site and put in your note and I'm frankly a little baffled here. Is this the same US GenWeb who had people posting notices in GALINA about how outraged they were that companies like Broderbund wouldn't provide the census and marriage material they've been selling for years to the GenWeb project? Take a stand folks, that's certainly your right, but you can't have it both ways. I too, went to the sites mentioned as well as GenWeb and didn't see a copyright notice anywhere. Jamie CrumpJSC@aol.com

In a message dated 97-07-20 11:26:29 EDT, you write: << >TWGA is located at: <http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/> >Maintained by a dirtbag named Matt Roller. [snip] I don't think that is called for. No matter what anybody did or is being accused of. David --- ... I researched my family tree... apparently I don't exist! davids@agate.net - http://www.agate.net/~davids/geneal.html _______ >> I tend to agree with you David. It seems a bit of an over-zealous response. Nan

I am re-posting this message: Hope someone sees it and knows who these WALLACE's were :-) Jane and Susanna were the daughters of my ggg grandparents, Ephraim SIMMONS and Elizabeth (Callaway) SIMMONS. Ephraim SIMMONS was born in Albemarle Co., VA in 1782. Elizabeth was born (probably) in Greenbrier Co. (W)VA (became Monroe Co. in 1799) in 1787. Ephraim died at age 39 and his widow and family moved to Decatur Co. In in 1821. I am seeking information about Joseph WALLACE who married Jane SIMMONS, 11 October 1826 in Franklin Co., IN and John L. WALLACE who married Susanna SIMMONS, 7 May, 1831 in Franklin Co., IN. Thank you, Nancy B. ngburke@halcyon.com Nancy Simmons Burke Mt. Vernon, Wa 98274 ngburke@halcyon.com Nancy Simmons Burke Mt. Vernon, Wa 98274

This is JUST my opinion regarding the current discussions: Dayna -- IF you TRULY wanted to share them, then why are you complaining??????? EVERYTHING at the site is material YOU (and everyone else) loaded as FTP files to GENWEB sites all over the web. EACH FILE has the personal information of the person who SUBMITTED IT FOR PUBLICATION ON THE SITES IN QUESTION. All he did was ADVERTISE your information, and provide an INDEX for all of us to find YOUR information more easily. FREE ADVERTISING AT THAT. I didn't see anything CREATIVE that was published at his site. Not even one bit of fancy graphics. I am TOTALLY surprised that you have this attitude when you run websites for GENWEB. I would NEVER have found your information without his INDEX!! <<Don't you realize that this dirtbag has not spent one second typing up the very records you enjoyed at his site?>> You are correct... he didn't type them. He simply INDEXED them for all of us poor people who have trouble finding all the sites that MIGHT have information on our families. What I saw out there was PUBLIC records. Public records can NOT be copyrighted. I was not aware that simply typing these records made them yours. Where did you find the information you typed up, by the way. From some book? <<He stole them from me and others like me.>> He didn't STEAL them, he simply INDEXED THE INFORMATION SO WE COULD ALL FIND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From what I could tell... he provided an index to ALL the USGENWEB site information in ONE handy place. When you clicked on a file, it took you directly to the FTP file that YOU uploaded. <<It's the same as me coming into your house and stealing your family bible and putting it on my coffee table and saying it's mine. Does that sound fair to you?>> It is NOT the same. If you print a copy of the Bible pages in the newspaper, and I buy the paper the information is now MINE. I did not go into your home and take it. You uploaded a file and made it available to everyone. << We put these cemetery records and such on our web pages to share with you and Matt Roller came around to our web pages and snagged our work without ever asking us. Is that ill-gotten gains or what? And then it's rubbing salt in our wounds to see you praise him.>> You uploaded the information to a GENWEB site, and did NOT block its download. IF you TRULY wanted to share the information, then why are you complaining ??????? All he did was ADVERTISE your information, and provide an INDEX for all of us to find YOUR information more easily. FREE ADVERTISING AT THAT. I would think ALL these site would be happy to have someone provide a comprehensive AD for them. If I found something interesting and helpful, I would definately email the submitter, AND visit their site, for MORE information. I think you are TOTALLY wrong, and so do all these other people. HOWEVER, you are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Peggy Sue Wilson Subj: web discussion Date: 97-07-20 11:13:05 EDT From: njadams@geocities.com (Norma Adams) To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Good Morning, I try never to get involved in these discussions, but I cannot sit idly by any longer. My personal feeling is that if I post something in a public place, anyone who wants is welcome to read it or copy the information for their personal use. If anyone wants to put it one a web page for all to use, they have my blessings to do so. I have found much information on the different web sites, such as Genweb, Gendex, etc., in a short period of time. It would have taken many years and miles of travel to otherwise get this information. I, for one, am against anyone trying to shut down anything!! Once something like that got started, it more than likely would be a domino effect, and we would all be right back where we started....taking pencil and paper to every courthouse and library and cemetery we could find. I'm sure no one is deliberatly "stealing" someone else's work. I figure that if I toss it out for everyone to see, they are more than welcome to it. If I prefer not to share, I'll keep it private. I think we have much more to lose than to gain, by any kind of a "shutdown" movement. There have been countless people donating immeasurable hours and spending their own money, to get the genealogy sites where they are today. Let's not destroy such a valuable tool in genealogical research. Thank you for your time. Norma Adams, Middletown, Oh. So, it looks like it is a "moot" point. Too bad, I was really getting some good info too!! And I didn't mind how much of my online info, they used. I share with everyone, trying to help others. It would just let more people have access to my surnames which might, in turn, help me. How sad. MHO, Marylyn Subj: Re: Data on the Web Date: 97-07-20 09:45:38 EDT From: FamilyHart@aol.com Resent-from: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, somgen-l@sirius.dsenter.com Note: This is part of an ongoing discussion on rootsweb. Warning: I am indeed on the soapbox. I have been doing research now for over 35 years. I started doing research well before the advent of the PC. It was a lot of work doing it the old paper way. I started doing the PC thing on the first IBM PC when it first came out. That made life a whole lot better. I now have a database of over 150,000 linked individuals and have another 2or300,000 sitting on the shelf to comperterize. My family from one end of the country to the other has sent that to me and more. My wife and I spend tens of hours a week laboring putting this information in the computer. We travel four times a year via plane, rented car and meals on the road with its associated expenses to verify the data that we have. And yet with all of this... We give our information away freely. We share it gladly. We have requests made to us weekly to add links from someone else's site to ours. We answer positively. We have our information "stolen" continually for which we are happy! The only request I have ever made is do not sell what we give you but do the same as we do, give it away freely. Our works are copyrighted for style and presentation. This is only to protect its shareability and make sure it is free to all. We would only enforce copyright to the extent that someone else is trying to sell it. If someone else is giving away our information under their name, oh well. If they repackage it, there is nothing to do about it anyway. Copyright law is very specific. You can not copyright facts. Period! You can not copyright public documents. Period! If you do genealogy for other than altruistic pursuits, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Don's opinion: it should be for love and respect of those who went before. Others have their own opinions as to the above but this is mine. Don Hartman Subj: Re: Data on the Web Date: 97-07-20 09:50:23 EDT From: FamilyHart@aol.com Resent-from: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com I just saw the note from Marilyn about the questionable site being shut down until "copyright material" is removed. That is unfortunate and sends a chilling effect through the community. It is also too bad that people do not know copyright law well enough to defend against such actions. Don Subj: Data on the Web Date: 97-07-20 10:33:16 EDT From: jdcoates@aa.net (John Coates) Resent-from: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: rowanroots-l@rootsweb.com (RowanRoots-L), COATES-L@rootsweb.com (Coates-L) As you may or may not be aware there is currently a major controversy regarding genealogical data on the Internet. I will not detail them here, there are several lists where that is the topic of the day, but they deal with the possible "copyright" infringement by a couple individuals. The individuals do not appear to be involved in any commercial venture. Whether or not there was actual copyright infringement is of little interest to me. What is of major concern to me is the restriction of, or claims of any kind on information generated by my activities. For 5 years I have been involved with the free an unrestricted sharing of genealogical information on the Internet. I intend to continue to do so. Any information posted on any list or web site that I support is and will remain FREE AND OPEN TO ALL. I hope that it is not used for commercial purposes, but I claim no ownership and do not see how I could prevent it. Thank You John Coates - List Admin for RowanRoots-L and Coates-L Web site maintainer for Alexnader, Davidson and Rowan County NCGenWeb sites jdcoates@aa.net Rowan Co, NCGenWeb Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrowan/rowan.htm Davidson Co, NCGenWeb Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncdavids/davidson.htm Alexander County, NCGenWeb Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncalexan/alexander.htm RowanRoots-L, Discussion List for "Old" Rowan Co., NC http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncrowan/rowanroots-l.htm COATES/COATS/COATE Surname List, http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/coates-l.htm At 09:13 PM 7/19/97 EDT, Mina M Bickerstaff wrote: [snip] >TWGA is located at: <http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/> >Maintained by a dirtbag named Matt Roller. [snip] I don't think that is called for. No matter what anybody did or is being accused of. Subj: Data on the Web Date: 97-07-20 01:09:17 EDT From: CrumpJSC@aol.com Resent-from: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Peggy, I'm with you. I do this stuff for a living (as does Dayna by her ad in her address) and it's common knowledge that once it's out there, it's basically free for the taking. Add to that the additional info that you were kind enough to research from the site and put in your note and I'm frankly a little baffled here. Is this the same US GenWeb who had people posting notices in GALINA about how outraged they were that companies like Broderbund wouldn't provide the census and marriage material they've been selling for years to the GenWeb project? Take a stand folks, that's certainly your right, but you can't have it both ways. I too, went to the sites mentioned as well as GenWeb and didn't see a copyright notice anywhere. Jamie CrumpJSC@aol.com

I am on some of the lists this is going to and not on others. All the above are getting the same messages I have rec'd "flaming" <SNIP>"The World Genealogy Archives" (not be confused with USGenWeb!!) TWGA is located at: <http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/> Maintained by a (description snipped out) named Matt Roller.<END SNIP> I THOUGHT the purpose of these lists are to share. At ANYTIME ANYONE posts any information to ANY list and/or Webpage the person posting it should realize it can and will be copied by someone, sometime. If they wanted the information to be kept secret and not shared why was it posted in the first place? I have often thought how wonderful it would be if there was a central location to search where EACH original owner of the info was given credit for it. I do not know if Matt Roller gave the original researchers credit or not. IF he did not, DID ANYONE THINK OF ASKING HOM TO LIST CREDITS? I accessed http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/ and found the message below: (COPIED!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Welcome to the World Genealogy archive. These archives were created to be used as a free source of information to all genealogists to aid them in their research. These pages are down at the moment, until any files that do not belong here are removed. ALL requested files are/have been removed, and others are being looked into. If you would like to read some success stories in the mean time visit the Guestbook ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ After reading the guestbook, I'd say that those of us who are interested in researching AND sharing have lost out. I know I will receive many "Flames". It is OK with me if you would rather write a nasty letter to and about me than to search for information about your family. I will hit "DELETE" on them, just as I did for all the "Flames" and all other messages that did not concern me, until I found out that some complainers have probally shut down what might have been a valuable site to others. Thank you for your time and consideration, Rena Anderson Pittman rena@rapidramp.com searching for: ANDERSON, BEAVERS, BRACKIN (BRACKEN), GARRISON, GILBERT, GLAZNER, HAMPTON, KITCHEN(S), LEE, McCLANAHAN, PAYNE, STAGGS, SWINT, WOOD, and others.

Violet Ann WALLACE (b. 1813, daughter of Joseph WALLACE) mar. Peter McCALLUM in York District, SC. Joseph was a planter in York District, South Carolina. Peter�s parents were Duncan McCALLUM and Catherine McNEIL from Scotland. I�m interested in identifying Violet Ann�s mother, knowing more about her father and all grandparents. Any help is deeply appreciated. Please reply to ajt0516@aol.com Thanks, Anita

On 07/20/97 11:23:57 you wrote: > >At 09:13 PM 7/19/97 EDT, Mina M Bickerstaff wrote: >[snip] >>TWGA is located at: <http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/> >>Maintained by a dirtbag named Matt Roller. >[snip] > >I don't think that is called for. No matter what anybody did or is >being accused of. > > >David >--- >... I researched my family tree... apparently I don't exist! > > davids@agate.net - http://www.agate.net/~davids/geneal.html > _______ > .------|_______ David Sylvester > ------+ _______ PO Box 135 > `------|_______ Searsport, Maine 04974 > > Member: New England Historic Genealogical Society > Member: The International Internet Genealogy Society > > > David, IMHO,You are correct, however, in the heat of the moment, sometimes the keys fly faster than the rationale and the "send" key is unforgiving. Been there, done that. Wayne

At 09:13 PM 7/19/97 EDT, Mina M Bickerstaff wrote: [snip] >TWGA is located at: <http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/> >Maintained by a dirtbag named Matt Roller. [snip] I don't think that is called for. No matter what anybody did or is being accused of. David --- ... I researched my family tree... apparently I don't exist! davids@agate.net - http://www.agate.net/~davids/geneal.html _______ .------|_______ David Sylvester ------+ _______ PO Box 135 `------|_______ Searsport, Maine 04974 Member: New England Historic Genealogical Society Member: The International Internet Genealogy Society

As a proud member of the Clan Wallace Society Worldwide, I just want to put some ugly rumors to rest. Sir William Wallace died without children. The Wallace lines from that family are descended from his brother supposedly. As a Clan who was NEVER involved in Clan Wars in Scotland, we surely do look like a bunch of heathens on this mailing list. Nuff said....quit yer bitchin and lets get back to GENEOLOGY and FUN!!!! Can anyone help me with the names Catherine WALLACE and Isaac STAFFORD, married in Pike or Floyd Co., KY in the 1800's. Their son Isaac "Stafford" WALLACE married Matilda Ellen MOUNTS and they had 23 children. My Papaw, John Ferrell WALLACE (one of the 23 children) married Dorothy Mae HORNE 10-31-1933 in or around Majestic or Freeburn, KY. BTW, Catherine and her children retained the WALLACE surname.

Kyla, I am descended from Rev. John Withers ( b. 1811 in KY) and Syrena Wallace Withers. I am not familiar with the names you sent, but I have a book, "Withers-America or a collection of genealogical data concerning the history of the descendants in the male line of James Withers (1680-1746) of Stafford Co., VA." If you could send me some more information, dates, places, etc. I might be able to find something for you. Helen Withers Griffith 221 Leawod Drive Lexington, Ky 40502 E-mail Helen Griff@aol.com

Note to Nancy M./Sconemac I've seen your name on the Internet while searching for Wallace history. You seem to be something of a historian. Please tell us, what do you know that this other person (posting below) is mistaken about? You speak with a certitude that I find fascinating. What's the real story here? By the way, IMO, this list is also for fun, on occasion, so consider being sensitive with your seemingly caustic remarks. Whoever sent that post (re: Wallace in Europe) probably didn't take your remark too kindly. Anyway, your insights might be a great help to the group. I hope so, Nancy. Thanks. Steven ================================= In a message dated 97-07-19 12:31:57 EDT, Douglas401@aol.com writes: << It is my understanding that Sir William had only daughters >> ============================ Steve here: I was wondering about that myself. Somebody on this list purportedly has evidence to the comtrary. Did somebody catch his/her name or e-mail? ============================ In a message dated 97-07-19 04:57:40 EDT, SconeMac@aol.com writes: << This is a very strange letter, does this list get this type of thing often? >> ============================ Steve here: Both Sconemac & I are referring to the same person/letter .............. ============================ Hi! We are Wallaces from the north and we have a legend in the family that one of Argyle Wallaces son"s escaped with the original Sir William Wallaces son and a nurse maid to France after he was drwn and Quartered. It is also said there has been a william Wallace as the first grandson from that time to now at least in our family. There is today still a tradition of doing this. My uncle is a William. Near as we can make out there wer several bastard children born to him and he acknowledged everyone but would never marry again in public because of the Prima Nocturn Law in Scotland it was one of the way's he snubbed the English. Legend goes that.......... ================================= I think it is a shame that someone uses a geneology page for their amusement. Yesterday, long Welsh names and now this. Sad, what some people do for fun...... -- Sconemac -------------------------------------------------------------------

Can't take a bit of humour, eh? ....sigh .... sorry to have offended you. By the way, this is a real town name -- not a joke.

In a message dated 97-07-19 04:57:40 EDT, you write: << To: WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com This is a very strange letter, does this list get this type of thing often? >>>>>>>>>> Hi! WE are Wallaces from the north and we have a legend in the family that one of Argyle Wallaces son"s escaped with the original Sir William Wallaces son and a nurse maid to France after he was drwn and Quartered. It is also said there has been a william Wallace as the first grandson from that time to now at least in our family. There is today still a tradition of doing this. My uncle is a William. Near as we can make out there wer several bastard children born to him and he acknowledged everyone but would never marry again in public because of the Prima Nocturn Law in Scotland it was one of the way's he snubbed the English. legend goes that they st >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it is a shame that someone uses a geneology page for their amusement. Yesterday, long Welsh names and now this. Sad, what some people do for fun...... Sconemac

Hello Thank you for responding. I have the Carlton book. It is great, isn't it. It just doesn't have anything beyond Elizabeth. Thanks again. cj