Please do not waist any more of my time spamming all of us with these messages. Lets get back to the purpose of the mailing list. Do your bickering privately! If you don't know the difference between sending a message to the list and sending one privately then you should not use the list period unless you are willing to learn and actually do learn! I've had 30 something messages today that are nothing but junk that should not be on this list. If this keeps up then the only choice I have is to unsubscribe from the list! Please stop it! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: world archive is not shutdown Author: <WRIGHT-L@rootsweb.com> at XINTERNET Date: 7/21/97 11:14 AM Katherine G. Sullivan wrote: > > Harvey, > Thank you for sharing your comments re copyright. I know that you are > absolutely accurate in your statements, and that most folks have missed > the point. > > At one time I believed that most people were intimidated by the standards > of proper citation. I am beginning to wonder, however, if it is a case > of "just too much trouble." Yet, I wonder how the same people will feel > when the outcome of their intellectual talent and effort is confiscated > by others? > > I have published both articles and research volumes. The reward is > making the material and the "how-to" available so we don't all have to > re-invent the wheel. But it does sting to see books for sale over > someone else's name containing material lifted word-for-word without > citation (!) from my copyrighted work. The key word here is citation - > give credit where credit is due. Something we all were taught in > kindergarten! > > Thanks, Harvey! That was my point yesterday when I said that you could tell by the "discussion" who had spent thousands of hours in the library digging out the information and sharing it with others - - versus - - those who prowl the net wanting to be spoon fed by a one stop shop and/or steal the work of others. The GREENSKEEPER and others post inforamtion given to them by permission - - and there is never a doubt on that website as to who furnished or researched the information. Perhaps Matt should use that as an example. His "ethics" were well established when he repeatedly refused to answer e-mail asking him to give credit. The material that Matt "stole" is available to all on the net as that is how he got it - - by leaving it on the home pages of the author - - we will at least know who to thank when we discover a nugget of information. David T. Green

PLEASE LISTEN TO ME AND HEED MY WORDS! DO NOT REPLY TO THESE MESSAGES!. ANY COMMENTS ARE TO BE SENT PRIVATELY, AS ABSOLUTELY NO FURTHER COMMENT ON THIS SUBJECT WILL BE TOLERATED! PERIOD.................... Folks, if someone does not believe me. All I can say is try me and find out. Chuck Carter At 01:00 PM 7/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Let's get back to searching for WALLACE kin! >Enough is enough!!! >

Katherine, Your comments are inappropriate and off subject! Your messages, replies, etc should be sent "Privately" to the intended recipient. Please refer to my message to this list earlier this morning. No further responses as such to the WALLACE list will be permitted. Any repeat offender will be removed from the list. Thank you for your support. Charles E. ("Chuck") Carter Listowner WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com WALLACE-D@rootsweb.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx At 12:02 PM 7/21/97 -0700, you wrote: >Harvey, >Thank you for sharing your comments re copyright. I know that you are >absolutely accurate in your statements, and that most folks have missed >the point. > >At one time I believed that most people were intimidated by the standards >of proper citation. I am beginning to wonder, however, if it is a case >of "just too much trouble." Yet, I wonder how the same people will feel >when the outcome of their intellectual talent and effort is confiscated >by others? > >I have published both articles and research volumes. The reward is >making the material and the "how-to" available so we don't all have to >re-invent the wheel. But it does sting to see books for sale over >someone else's name containing material lifted word-for-word without >citation (!) from my copyrighted work. The key word here is citation - >give credit where credit is due. Something we all were taught in >kindergarten! > >Thanks, Harvey! >

Cousins, or should I say "Children" ! I've been out of town for the week end and when I return, it seems like this list has degenerated into a bunch of spoiled squabbling brats! There are Rules & Regulations for this list, albiet "very few" as I believe in a free exchange of information and dialogue between researchers. However, "FLAMES" of ANY KIND WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. I am sure that we all have seen the chaos that other lists have fallen into when unkind words are said. The Rules of this list are being re-written as we speak and will be sent to all subscribers in the next few days. But to summarize: 1. FLAMES of any kind will not be tolerated. An offender will be given one (1) warning. If their actions persist, they will be removed from the list. 2. Occasional "humor and levity" are not wrong, but seriously, the "Welsh town of Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch" has gone ABSOLUTELY TOO FAR! Cease and desist! 3. Yes, there is currently a question that has caused concern amongst a number of subscribers to RootsWeb and many of the Listowners/Moderators of the Surname list on RootsWeb by another surname research BBS on GENFORUM. This list is not the place to discuss it, or COPYRIGHT LAWS. There are other lists to subscribe to if you are interested in the message string. If you interested in that or so inclined to follow along, you can subscribe by sending a message to: listowners-request@rootsweb.com with the message: subscribe Does it concern me? Yes, as I do not want to dilute our research. I do not want to have the appearance of "Dueling" research groups as it will only make us look bad and ultimately spoil what good we have accomplished. Let's all get back to doing what we do best! And that's working together to find our ancestors. I apologize for having been out of town this past weekend, and when I do in the future, I will make certain that my Co-Moderators keep a watchful eye on activities and put a lid on any in appropriate message strings. Don't worry about strange town names, other surnames list services, etc. If we show that we are serious and dedicated to our work and service to others, it's like my Grampa Wallace used to tell me, "This too will pass!" Charles E. ("Chuck") Carter Listowner WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com WALLACE-D@rootsweb.com

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Could it be that in someone's zeal to help others, that they have inadvertently broken some rules. Many of us are learning as fast as we can the do's and dont's of the net. I have called two state archives and three libraries about copywrites, all have given me a different answer. Even if this was intentional can we not have civilized discussion as we seem to be for the most part educated mannerly people. I for one have proffited greatly from the work of others, who have shared with me. I have learned over the last year and a half how to document and to give the people who have shared with me due credit; but I must confess at the beginning I did not understand how to do this. I have been very ill for a while and the internet and the wonderful people involved in genealogy have been a godsend for me. I am very appreciative of all the list owners, computer experts, and happy hunters like myself, for all of their work. I think discussion is always good, and so is discention; but why not have that without name calling. I have learned a few things from this argument and if it had started in a more courteous manner would have enjoyed it. Many of us would like to have information on what we can and cannot do as far as copying someone elses work. Pamela Sutton Hazen

What does the copyright laws say about posts on the Internet or a Website that you rent space from a server, that everyone can copy from. David Neil Wallis

To whom it may concern, I rather value the IMPORTANT info(relatives, wills, dates, places,etc) that the people submit to this list and I think it is a crying shame that these same people are going to be leaving and also involuntarely taken off the list because of the one posting that an individual made! If anyone should be taken off or leave, it should be the person that started all this sh_t! Because if they post one like this, I'm sure they will post another! I have not post anything in regards to that posting but I suppose I will be the next to go after this. I have no interest in this kind of garbage, me and alot of others I'm sure would appreciate it if we could stick with the topic at hand. Which is FINDING our ancestors, not figuring out who deserves the credit. If you don't want them to take it without permission put a "Please ask for my permission sign" and "Don't take unless you give me the credit sign" or don't put it out there at all. I'm pretty young myself, but I think there are "some" on this list that needs to to let things go. Or maybe consider finding something else for a hobby! This whole thing has become rediculous!!! Thanks for making me waste my time, Rebecca Lee beccal@nltc.net Turner, Bass, Scott, Peters or Peterson, Woodruff, Weaver, Corbitt, Joyner, Braswell, Hinton, Brown, Barnes, Wallace, Howell, Davis, Rodgers, Long, Batts, Gardner, Rose, Jones, Hathaway, Edwards, and some more.

In a message dated 97-07-20 16:32:37 EDT, WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com writes: << Subj: Clan Wallace Date: 97-07-20 16:32:37 EDT From: irontail@cleaf.com (T. Maggard) Resent-from: WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com To: WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com As a proud member of the Clan Wallace Society Worldwide, I just want to put some ugly rumors to rest. Sir William Wallace died without children. The Wallace lines from that family are descended from his brother supposedly. As a Clan who was NEVER involved in Clan Wars in Scotland, we surely do look like a bunch of heathens on this mailing list. >> - ------------------------------ Dear TM - As a member of the Clan Society, you probably have the best data -- certainly better than mine. I wish I had some news on yuor Kentucky roots but I am afraid that my Wallace line never lived south of Chicago -- except for one generation in Los Angeles earlier this century. I will keep my eyes open though. Seems that we have a good bit of Kentucky interest here. Let me ask you a question. Was Sir William's father the first recorded Wallace? Does anybody have real records from that period? Maybe in Stirling? I am stuck on my earliest know American giga-grampa: James Wallis [born 1695, died 1747 in Leicester, Massachusetts, a town in Worcester County]. His wife, Mary, was born in 1698 and died in Colrain, Massachusetts in February, 1769. Anybody know where these Wallises came from?? Find me an answer and I will volunteer to be your humble researcher for an entire morning. <g> Steven Rollinson Wallace <------------ if anybody trips over a Rollinson, pls lemme know. Thx

The copyright law was changed in 1989 - you migh do an Internet search on the subject. Basically -- as I understand it -- copyrights protect creativity, not factual information. I am no attorney but this had been conveyed to me on a few different occasions. Since 1989, oner need NOT put a copyright(c) logo oon their work in order to consider it their property .... but check those details on the 1989m law. Steven Wallace In a message dated 97-07-21 00:10:25 EDT, WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com writes: << In a message dated 97-07-20 14:39:31 EDT, you write: << It is NOT the same. If you print a copy of the Bible pages in the newspaper, and I buy the paper the information is now MINE. I did not go into your home and take it. You uploaded a file and made it available to everyone. >> But, if you buy a copy of that paper then the article will have a byline giving credit to the person who did the research and the writing. Also that paper had permission to reprint the author's work. If this was not true then the newspaper would be in large amounts of trouble. Trust me, I work at one. <<Copyright law is very specific. You can not copyright facts. Period! You can not copyright public documents. Period! >> But you can copyright work. If I transcribe a Bible or will or census record, or spend three hours walking through a cemetery, and go to the trouble of publishing it -- in any media -- it can be copyrighted. Anyone is allowed to go behind me and re-research and republish, but they may not copy verbatim from my production. Ya'll have missed the point. The point is not that Matt shared our info. The point is that he did it without prior consent and HE CLAIMED IT AS HIS OWN. If this man had written me and asked permission, stating that he would include credit and a link back to my pages, he would not only have had my blessings, but would have gotten a link to his archive on all of my pages as well. But he didn't, therefore he was wrong. And wrong is wrong. Besides Matt's page is not shutdown. He merely took off the info which he took w/o permission and is starting over the correct way. I'm sure it will come back up and be most informative. I for one intend on giving him some info, but it will be with the understanding that the author/researcher (myself or another) gets credit. I have published many things, fiction and non-, newspapers, magazine articles, for free and for pay, photographs, and even now am helping in a full length movie made from one of my father's novels. There is a right and a wrong way to do reprints. I believe that Matt now knows the difference. -- Harvey Greene >>

Doyle - Great message! reminds me of Jesus reminder that it is more blessed to give than receive. Thanks. Steven In a message dated 97-07-20 21:45:55 EDT, dbaker53@gte.net writes: << Dear Friends, I'm 55 year old and have been researching my family for 40 years. I have a great deal of information on about 70 surnames-all my ancestors. In my data base I have over 6000 names. When I was younger, it bothered me about giving my information to FTM, etc.-my hard earned research that I spent so much money and time on. I knew that FTW would take my 6000 names, notes, etc. and sell them, but I gave it to them anyway. Well since I did that, I have made great strides and have made many contacts that otherwise I would have never made. You will have to decide for yourself. Thanks, Doyle Baker >>

In a message dated 97-07-20 14:39:31 EDT, you write: << It is NOT the same. If you print a copy of the Bible pages in the newspaper, and I buy the paper the information is now MINE. I did not go into your home and take it. You uploaded a file and made it available to everyone. >> But, if you buy a copy of that paper then the article will have a byline giving credit to the person who did the research and the writing. Also that paper had permission to reprint the author's work. If this was not true then the newspaper would be in large amounts of trouble. Trust me, I work at one. <<Copyright law is very specific. You can not copyright facts. Period! You can not copyright public documents. Period! >> But you can copyright work. If I transcribe a Bible or will or census record, or spend three hours walking through a cemetery, and go to the trouble of publishing it -- in any media -- it can be copyrighted. Anyone is allowed to go behind me and re-research and republish, but they may not copy verbatim from my production. Ya'll have missed the point. The point is not that Matt shared our info. The point is that he did it without prior consent and HE CLAIMED IT AS HIS OWN. If this man had written me and asked permission, stating that he would include credit and a link back to my pages, he would not only have had my blessings, but would have gotten a link to his archive on all of my pages as well. But he didn't, therefore he was wrong. And wrong is wrong. Besides Matt's page is not shutdown. He merely took off the info which he took w/o permission and is starting over the correct way. I'm sure it will come back up and be most informative. I for one intend on giving him some info, but it will be with the understanding that the author/researcher (myself or another) gets credit. I have published many things, fiction and non-, newspapers, magazine articles, for free and for pay, photographs, and even now am helping in a full length movie made from one of my father's novels. There is a right and a wrong way to do reprints. I believe that Matt now knows the difference. Harvey Greene

In a message dated 97-07-20 22:33:51 EDT, Douglas401@aol.com writes: << Subj: BASTARDS, HORSE THIEVES AND ENGLISHMEN Date: 97-07-20 22:33:51 EDT From: Douglas401@aol.com To: WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com Some of the most amusing days I have had in researching mine and others genealogy is to find the unexpected and prove that we had relations that we would not wish to share with the rest of the world. Having been raised in the East near the "old money" and "original" families I have been astounded at the attempts to "elliminate" from the family tree the occasional bent branch. Now that Hollywood has featured Braveheart we all will suffer from dilusions of grandeur. I suspect that the accuracy of some of the postings to the internet will not pass the final review. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- I just got off the phone with a local friend, who lived in London for three years. I was surprised to hear that, in the UK, they still make a big deal out of "family ties", "social class", and related nonsense. He said that most of the people he knew in the UK would probably rather live in the US. He also said that people from the US are treated as if they do not belong to any "class" at all. Apparently, the old money stays in the families much more so than it does here .... where handing the keys to junior almost guarantees failure. I suppose this is why they use the term "working class", "blue bloods", "old money" and such -- all concepts which should rightly be irrelevant, in my opinion. In any case, I hope we can discover some links to Europe, regardless of whether we find roots in common laborers or in royalty. Who cares? I find the journey intriguing, regardless of the outcome. I hope others share that view. Steven Wallace

Some of the most amusing days I have had in researching mine and others genealogy is to find the unexpected and prove that we had relations that we would not wish to share with the rest of the world. Having been raised in the East near the "old money" and "original" families I have been astounded at the attempts to "elliminate" from the family tree the occasional bent branch. Now that Hollywood has featured Braveheart we all will suffer from dilusions of grandeur. I suspect that the accuracy of some of the postings to the internet will not pass the final review.

Dear Friends, I'm 55 year old and have been researching my family for 40 years. I have a great deal of information on about 70 surnames-all my ancestors. In my data base I have over 6000 names. When I was younger, it bothered me about giving my information to FTM, etc.-my hard earned research that I spent so much money and time on. I knew that FTW would take my 6000 names, notes, etc. and sell them, but I gave it to them anyway. Well since I did that, I have made great strides and have made many contacts that otherwise I would have never made. You will have to decide for yourself. Thanks, Doyle Baker

Attention Wallace Researchers: New WALLACE book available. "ARTHUR & MARY (GREBER/GRAVER) WALLACE and Their Descendants" A family history about Arthur & Mary (Greber/Graver) Wallace who married 12 Apr 1796 in Frederick County, MD is ready to go to the publisher. It has been compiled by Marian Waters Challender and interested descendants and family researchers. Arthur and Mary Wallace lived in Frederick Co, MD until moving to Ohio Co, KY in 1805, where they lived the remainder of their lives. They had 14 children. This is a record of documentation and information about Arthur and Mary Wallace, their children, and as many descendants as found from their eight children who lived to adulthood, as follows: John G. & Jane (Taylor) Wallace, Elizabeth (Wallace) & Rev. William Lynn, William G. & Amanda (Redding) Wallace, Samuel & Susan (Adams) Wallace, Arthur & Mary Ann (Taylor) Wallace, Charles & Cynthiann (Ross) Wallace, Mary Ann (Wallace) & David Thomas, Hiram Lowery & Elizabeth (Ross) Wallace. It contains 659 pages plus index. Cost $41.50 + $5.00 shipping/handling per book via U.S. Postoffice. Available September 15, 1997. Limited printing, based on number of prepaid orders received by August 15, 1997. To order, send your name and address plus $46.50 to: Marian Waters Challender 222 W. 13th Avenue Bozeman, MT 59715 Wanda Ballard, a Wallace descendant and researcher

In a message dated 97-07-20 13:20:25 EDT, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com writes: << Subj: SHARING Date: 97-07-20 13:20:25 EDT From: rena@rapidramp.com (Rena) Resent-from: HUNT-L@rootsweb.com To: Green-L@rootsweb.com, Wright-L@rootsweb.com, SPILMAN-L@rootsweb.com, SUDDARTH-L@rootsweb.com, WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com, HUGHES-L@rootsweb.com, GREENE-L@rootsweb.com, WINGFIELD-L@rootsweb.com, RowanRoots-L@rootsweb.com, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com, WISEMAN-L@rootsweb.com, Butler-L@rootsweb.com, Clarke-L@rootsweb.com, RAN-CLAY-L@rootsweb.com I am on some of the lists this is going to and not on others. All the above are getting the same messages I have rec'd "flaming" <SNIP>"The World Genealogy Archives" (not be confused with USGenWeb!!) TWGA is located at: <http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/> Maintained by a (description snipped out) named Matt Roller.<END SNIP> I THOUGHT the purpose of these lists are to share. At ANYTIME ANYONE posts any information to ANY list and/or Webpage the person posting it should realize it can and will be copied by someone, sometime. If they wanted the information to be kept secret and not shared why was it posted in the first place? I have often thought how wonderful it would be if there was a central location to search where EACH original owner of the info was given credit for it. I do not know if Matt Roller gave the original researchers credit or not. IF he did not, DID ANYONE THINK OF ASKING HOM TO LIST CREDITS? I accessed http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/ and found the message below: (COPIED!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Welcome to the World Genealogy archive. These archives were created to be used as a free source of information to all genealogists to aid them in their research. These pages are down at the moment, until any files that do not belong here are removed. ALL requested files are/have been removed, and others are being looked into. If you would like to read some success stories in the mean time visit the Guestbook ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ After reading the guestbook, I'd say that those of us who are interested in researching AND sharing have lost out. I know I will receive many "Flames". It is OK with me if you would rather write a nasty letter to and about me than to search for information about your family. I will hit "DELETE" on them, just as I did for all the "Flames" and all other messages that did not concern me, until I found out that some complainers have probally shut down what might have been a valuable site to others. Thank you for your time and consideration, Rena Anderson Pittman rena@rapidramp.com searching for: ANDERSON, BEAVERS, BRACKIN (BRACKEN), GARRISON, GILBERT, GLAZNER, HAMPTON, KITCHEN(S), LEE, McCLANAHAN, PAYNE, STAGGS, SWINT, WOOD, and others. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- From HUNT-L-request@rootsweb.com Sun Jul 20 13:18:49 1997 Return-Path: <HUNT-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by mrin49.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA01497; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA10434; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 10:18:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 10:18:32 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970720170751.0094ff34@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: rena@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 12:07:51 -0500 To: Green-L@rootsweb.com, Wright-L@rootsweb.com, SPILMAN-L@rootsweb.com, SUDDARTH-L@rootsweb.com, WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com, HUGHES-L@rootsweb.com, GREENE-L@rootsweb.com, WINGFIELD-L@rootsweb.com, RowanRoots-L@rootsweb.com, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com, WISEMAN-L@rootsweb.com, Butler-L@rootsweb.com, Clarke-L@rootsweb.com, RAN-CLAY-L@rootsweb.com From: Rena <rena@rapidramp.com> Subject: SHARING Resent-Message-ID: <"I34EVC.A.jWC.3gk0z"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: HUNT-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HUNT-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/208 X-Loop: HUNT-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HUNT-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Rena: I believe you may have missed the point. As I understand it the person accused above it presenting this information as his own research! I have no problem with his using any file he finds on the internet, providing he gives credit where credit is due and does not plagiarize! Felicia K. Gourdin

In a message dated 97-07-20 13:20:25 EDT, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com writes: << Subj: SHARING Date: 97-07-20 13:20:25 EDT From: rena@rapidramp.com (Rena) Resent-from: HUNT-L@rootsweb.com To: Green-L@rootsweb.com, Wright-L@rootsweb.com, SPILMAN-L@rootsweb.com, SUDDARTH-L@rootsweb.com, WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com, HUGHES-L@rootsweb.com, GREENE-L@rootsweb.com, WINGFIELD-L@rootsweb.com, RowanRoots-L@rootsweb.com, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com, WISEMAN-L@rootsweb.com, Butler-L@rootsweb.com, Clarke-L@rootsweb.com, RAN-CLAY-L@rootsweb.com I am on some of the lists this is going to and not on others. All the above are getting the same messages I have rec'd "flaming" <SNIP>"The World Genealogy Archives" (not be confused with USGenWeb!!) TWGA is located at: <http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/> Maintained by a (description snipped out) named Matt Roller.<END SNIP> I THOUGHT the purpose of these lists are to share. At ANYTIME ANYONE posts any information to ANY list and/or Webpage the person posting it should realize it can and will be copied by someone, sometime. If they wanted the information to be kept secret and not shared why was it posted in the first place? I have often thought how wonderful it would be if there was a central location to search where EACH original owner of the info was given credit for it. I do not know if Matt Roller gave the original researchers credit or not. IF he did not, DID ANYONE THINK OF ASKING HOM TO LIST CREDITS? I accessed http://oasis.slcc.edu/search/ and found the message below: (COPIED!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Welcome to the World Genealogy archive. These archives were created to be used as a free source of information to all genealogists to aid them in their research. These pages are down at the moment, until any files that do not belong here are removed. ALL requested files are/have been removed, and others are being looked into. If you would like to read some success stories in the mean time visit the Guestbook ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ After reading the guestbook, I'd say that those of us who are interested in researching AND sharing have lost out. I know I will receive many "Flames". It is OK with me if you would rather write a nasty letter to and about me than to search for information about your family. I will hit "DELETE" on them, just as I did for all the "Flames" and all other messages that did not concern me, until I found out that some complainers have probally shut down what might have been a valuable site to others. Thank you for your time and consideration, Rena Anderson Pittman rena@rapidramp.com searching for: ANDERSON, BEAVERS, BRACKIN (BRACKEN), GARRISON, GILBERT, GLAZNER, HAMPTON, KITCHEN(S), LEE, McCLANAHAN, PAYNE, STAGGS, SWINT, WOOD, and others. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- From HUNT-L-request@rootsweb.com Sun Jul 20 13:18:49 1997 Return-Path: <HUNT-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by mrin49.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA01497; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA10434; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 10:18:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 10:18:32 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970720170751.0094ff34@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: rena@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 12:07:51 -0500 To: Green-L@rootsweb.com, Wright-L@rootsweb.com, SPILMAN-L@rootsweb.com, SUDDARTH-L@rootsweb.com, WALLACE-L@rootsweb.com, HUGHES-L@rootsweb.com, GREENE-L@rootsweb.com, WINGFIELD-L@rootsweb.com, RowanRoots-L@rootsweb.com, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com, WISEMAN-L@rootsweb.com, Butler-L@rootsweb.com, Clarke-L@rootsweb.com, RAN-CLAY-L@rootsweb.com From: Rena <rena@rapidramp.com> Subject: SHARING Resent-Message-ID: <"I34EVC.A.jWC.3gk0z"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: HUNT-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <HUNT-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/208 X-Loop: HUNT-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: HUNT-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Rena: I believe you may have missed the point. As I understand it the person accused above it presenting this information as his own research! I have no problem with his using any file he finds on the internet, providing he gives credit where credit is due and does not plagiarize! Felicia K. Gourdin