Hello Lister and those looking for unfound graves where ever. I got thid on the TX GRAYSON CO list. It has very good imformation about the moving of cemeteries. What it invilves etc. Also tells of a very un believable way these records are kept maybe in most places. My reason is this!!! My Granmother, SARAH JANE PUMPHREY, SMITH ,BALDWIN was originally bur. I am , in the old late 1800's.. Now she is bur. in LittleFalls Cem at Vadar, which used to be called same name. This was abt 1924?? All that is on the concrete stone is , " Sarah Jane Baldwin, Mother of James Smith" as if that is all ch. she had???? I wonder , since I haven't been able to find her death date at all anywhere, if it may lie in some removal records in Lewis or Cowlitz Co. as some bodies were removed to other Cemeteries around from the Pumphrey property when it was sold out of the Pumphrey hands in 1920's , when??? I have her birth date of 1859 in Springfield Ill, where another sister had died and is burried. She had 2 other sisters both who had moved to Lewis Co. Martha who had mar. John Bland in Ill prior to the family moving to Lewis Co Wa in abt 1870's?? Martha and John came to Lewis Co with several ch and he died and she remar. to Griffith. ( memory) The other sister was Mary Pumphrey who mar to John Layton and she , Sarah , Martha, and Mary's dau. Mary , all died of T B from abt 1890 to abt 1920. I wonder if anyone who is descend from any of these persons or from the 3 brothers, John Hamilton Pumphrey, Francis "Frank" Pumphrey's , and William Pumphrey's descenants would have the death date of Sarah Jane Pumphrey Baldwin abt 1905/6 ? as 1 dau. said she was 6 yrs and she was b 1899 when her mother died. She left a new baby that had died just before she did, lived in and is bur. in Vader Cem. Hope someone can help me on this. Read the message below abt the removal papers etc. and help me if you can. I know there are a number of descendants of Sarah's 2 sisters, (Layton and Bland, and Griffith, )and her uncles, (William and Frank ( Francis) ) in the area and hope someone can help me. Thank you for your Time. Maxine Baldwin Wilton Wa. mmwaw@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken Hestand <khestand@flash.net> To: TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com <TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [GRAYSON] James, I visited the Fort Worth National Archives, and looked at the Corps of Engineers files. There are 15 file boxes of records, which were turned over to the National Archives "as is" and are filed for purposes of the Corps of Engineers, with no indexes, alphabetization, or any other orderly way to find anything. The files are largely contracts to relocate cemeteries, including purchasing land, clearing land, exhuming, transporting and reburial at the new location. There were detailed records of contact with nearest kin and obtaining authorization to move the remains. There were hundreds of Grave Removal Orders - one for each grave, but in no particular order, that I could discern. These had annotations about the condition of the body, container, inventory of other articles found in the grave (one had a shovel in it); transportation record; and certificate of reinterment. The files even contained a number of 4 1/4 X 6 3/4 bound field notebooks about all sorts of subjects, from finding nearest kin, to details about the new cemetery. It appeared to me that the new cemetery was named "New Burney", for example, which replaced Burney Cemetery. I was overwhelmed with the many things that had to be done to move those cemeteries. There were a lot of unmarked graves which were relocated. In fact, while digging a grave at one of the new cemeteries, it was noted that some remains were found that were unmarked, unknown. They placed the bones in a new container and reburied it. To research a specific cemetery and deceased person would be a major undertaking. There are specific files about the cemeteries, but it is not necessarily easy to find the name of any particular deceased. I can appreciate why the National Archives advised you to come look, because the files do not lend themselves to easy research. These files are what you call "primary sources" and they are not "user friendly." I know this does not solve your problem, but as thorough as the Corps of Engineers seemed to be from the records I scanned, from back in the late 30's and early 40's, I would guess that the burials in the "New" cemeteries are as accurate as could be accomplished. Regards, Ken Hestand James Goff wrote: > The Bryan County Oklahoma Historical Society has a listing of some > cemeteries that were moved and to where, they are not on-line but their > mailing address is Bryan County Heritage Assn., Inc. P. O. Box 153 Calera, > OK 74730-0153 . > > According to the Corp of Eng, Tulsa District, the record are in the > National Archives, in Ft. Worth Tx, lots of luck with them people as they > will tell you to come by and look for your self in large stacks of papers, > or that was the response we have gotten from them, twice. > > Resent-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:21:38 -0700 (PDT) > X-Original-Sender: sonia1@airmail.net Mon May 15 10:21:36 2000 > Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:16:29 -0500 > From: Sonia & Bill <sonia1@airmail.net> > Reply-To: sonia1@airmail.net > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) > X-Accept-Language: en > Old-To: vicki reynolds <rreynolds@pdq.net>, TXgrayso-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GRAYSON] Texoma Lake area cemeteries > To: TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/894 > X-Loop: TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Sender: TXGRAYSO-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Vicki, > Your response only went to me and you obviously thought it went to the list > since you said "how about it listers". Your response does not go to the list > unless you type in that address, which I did on this message. When you > click on > reply, on this list, it goes privately to the person who placed the query. > That > is the default set up on this list. I would like to see the questions and > responses myself. How about it list? Is there a lot of maintenance or > monitoring if the response goes to the list? You could always respond > privately > if you didn't want the info going to the list. > I am on another couple of lists where I get a lot of messages that do not > pertain to me. I just glance at them > and delete. Doesn't take long. But in other cases, I get some info about the > area that is very helpful. I have only seen three queries since I have been on > this list and two of them were mine. <grin> So, I don't thing volumn is a > problem. I have received 4 or five responses privately which may have helped > someone else > too. > Any discussion on this? > . > Sonia > vicki reynolds wrote: > > Hi Sonia, > > Maybe someone on the list could help with this question but I believe you > > could check with the Corp of Engineers but where? I know for my family who > > was buried in Old Woodville,under what is now Lake Texhoma was moved to > > Madill. I for one would like to know the correct answer. How about it > > list? Where did we go to locate these moved cemeteries? > > Vicki > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sonia & Bill <sonia1@airmail.net> > > To: TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com <TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:31 PM > > Subject: [GRAYSON] Texoma Lake area cemeteries > > > > >Are there any records of cemeteries that were moved when Texoma > > >Lake was put in? Are there any records of cemeteries being covered up? > > > > > >My Hightower's are from the Basin Springs/Sadler > > >area and I have a few ancestors who should be buried in that area. > > >Of course, they just may not have marked graves. > > > > > >I am looking for > > >Margaret (Hightower) Panther/Worley > > >w/o #1 Jos Panther/Painter > > >#2 James Worley. > > >I know from courthouse records that Margaret died > > >in Basin Springs, Grayson Co,TX. > > >Children of Margaret Hightower Panther/Worley: > > >John W. Panther b. 1846 NC > > >Lucy Ann (Louisa) Panther b. 1848 Grayson Co, TX > > >James R. Panther b. 1857 Grayson Co, TX > > >Richard Worley b. c1862 TX > > >Arminda Worley b. c1863 TX > > > > > >Also looking for Margaret's sister Elizabeth (Hightower) > > >Edwards w/o George Edwards. They had one > > >son that I know of Thomas Edwards b. 1859. > > > > > >Another sister > > >Cynthia (Hightower) Hart w/o James Hart. > > >Children of Cynthia and James Hart: > > >E. J. (female) b. 1854 Grayson Co, TX > > >Nancy Ann Hart b. 1859 Grayson Co, TX > > >Mary Hart b. 1861 Grayson Co, TX > > >William Hart b. 1863 Grayson Co, TX > > >Adeline Hart b. 1866 Grayson Co, TX > > > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > >Sonia Hightower Hetherington > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXGRAYSO Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2000 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: TXGRAYSO-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe Requests: TXGRAYSO-L-request@rootsweb.com