Hi all, another successful day for some, for others, well...... keep in there....... I was quite excited by this one. Ann from New Hampshire, U.S.A., is looking for CHALLENDER/CHALLINOR and associations and wondered if I could look in GRESFORD, Denbighshire, for her. I failed to find your Edward Challender there, Ann, but there are very interesting associations there which I think you should record and think about. The Gresford regs are transcriptions from those lovely folk in the Clwyd Family History Society. Let's give them a clap! Cheers! Three cheers! Ann is to be located on <NAAFRR@peoplepc.com> GRESFORD There was a marriage of Thomas Challinor otp who signed, banns, and Catherine Morgan X, otp. Wit. John Birch and Robt' Evans. I neglected to put the date down, but will retrieve it during the coming week. We shall see more of this Thomas. p41. 2 Mar 1794 Geoge Challender s/o Edward, of Gresford baptized p67. Mary Challender d/o Samuel and Catherine of Gresford baptized p101. 22 April 1794 George Challenor s/o Edward of Gresford buried p119. 27 Aug 1809. Joseph Challinor, miller, the Rosset Mills, Rosset buried (My grandfather, Frederick Andrew Price, used to mill at the Rosset Mills when he was young and studying to be a flour milling engineer - I expect it was a way of earning money to help with his studies. His father was Frederick Price of the Gresford Mills. Ann, I have some info and photos of Rossett, which I shall send to you off list.) p120. 19 Aug 1781 Taylor (Challenor). Jane base Jno Chalenor and Mary Taylor baptized Vols 1,2,3 Vol 3. p. 71. 22 Aug 1761 Sarah Challenor d/o Thomas, pauper, Gresford baptized p64. 8 Sep 1754 Mary Challenor d/o Thomas of Gresford baptized p63. 28 Dec 1752 Mary - as above p56. 22 Jan 1744 Anne Chalenor of Gresford buried p56. 17 Feb 1744 Challenor [blank] s/o Thomas pauper of Gresford buried p55. Elizabeth Chalenor pauper of Gresford buried p26. 29 Aug 1762 John s/o Thomas Chalenor of Gresford buried p24. 26 Apr 1761 Sarah - as above p22. 16 Dec 1759 Mary - as above p19. 21 Dec 1756 Elizabeth - as above p16. 23 May 1754 Mary Chalenor of Gresford pauper buried p15. 24 Dec 1752 Mary Chalenor Gresford buried p9. 12 Apr 1747 Mary d/o William Chalenor of Marford buried (Marford is just out of Gresford, between Gresford and Rossett. You can easily walk to both from Gresford) Turning my thoughts to Wrexham, nearby, where I considered there would be some more Challinors/Challenders, this is what I found: WREXHAM: Vol 14(3) p43. 9 Jul 1810. Marriage by banns Thomas Smith (miner) X male, ba, and Susannah Chalenor botp (signs Susana Chaloner). Wit. Samuel Davies and Elizabeth Chaloner p29. 28 Dec 1807. Samuel Povey (shoemaker) X otp widr and Mary Davies wid X. Wit. Catherine Chalenor X Thos. Bayley p27. 1 Sep 1807 William Chaloner (signs Challonar) otp and Dorothy Edwards X. Witnesses. Thomas Roberts X and Margaret Williams X p19. 30 Dec 1805 Joseph Chaloner otp -- and Sarah Phenix X ---. Wit. Elizabeth Lloyd and James Jomes (sic) Vol 14(2) p62. 31 Dec 1793 John Chalinder X otp and Mary Whitehall X otp. Wit. John Parry and Rich'd Meeson p55. 29 Apr 1791 Thomas Chaloner X and Mary Fishder X botp. Wit. Charles Robertson and Richard Meeson (Richard Meeson is obviously a churchwarden or a verger - signs lots of marriages) p43. 1 Feb 1787 Robert Davies X otp and Elizabeth Chaloner otp. Wit. John Davies and Rich'd Meeson Vol14(1) p26. 1 Feb 1765 Thomas Chaloner (miller) X otp and Catharine Lancelot X otp. Wit. John Chaloner and John Edwards p24. 27 Jul 1764. John Chaloner otp ba and Ellinor Burton otp sp. Wit. Tho's Burton jnr. and John Edwards (John Edwards possible churchwarden, signs some marriages) One has to consider that perhaps some of the Challender/Challinor folk were registered with Christ Church at Rossett, BUT Christ Church does not appear on Phillimore's Atlas and Index of Parishes, nor does it appear on he Parish Locater, which is not surprising as it was probably an offshoot of Gresford, or was it? Anyone out there with local knowledge of Christ Church??? I need it also, for my great-grandmother, Margaret Anne Rogers, nee Jones, who died 16th Nov 1870, buried 17th at Christ Church, and for a possible baptism of her husband's second wife, Margaret Jones born Marford Hoseley 18 Aug 1847. David Jenkins on <davesue@purplepeople.fsnet.co.uk> needed some info concerning a Priscilla SIMON and a Thomas BLYTHIN aged 21 in 1867 in the MOLD area. No luck with Thomas Blythin, David, none to be found there. We have only recently received further Clwyd FHS transcriptions of MOLD, but they finsih here at 1851. Also no sign of a baptism of a Priscilla Simon, going back to the 1820s. There is a family having children during the 1820s-30s father Josiah Simon and mother Priscilla. It is possible that this is the family and that the child Priscilla was baptized somewhere else. Sorry David. If you want the details of this SIMON family I can get them for you easily, as they are on the shelves and not hidden away in the stack. CADWALLADER/CADAWALLADER LUDLOW parish: Fred Ainsworth on <Ainsworth706@aol.com> is the main one interested. Beverley on <MRC@dunroamen.freeserve.co.uk> emailed me with a mentione that she had just dound aCadwallader connection, John Cadwallader 47 married an ancester of hers, an Eliza Farrall a widow at Coton Hill (the Farall rings a bell!) at St. Julians Shrewsbury, but no date. Mandy Buchanan on <mysticmandy_gingerwitch@hotmail.com> We do hope you are mystic, Mandy, we could all do with some of that in our research, and stir up a little bit of ginger every day - very good for the digestion! Well, Mandy very kindly came forward with another version of Cadwallader - Wallet! I expect that is correct, take the Cad out of Cadwallader and the er off the end and all you have left is Wallad, i.e. Wallet. There were no Wallat/Wallets in Ludlow however. I wonder if the Cadwallader was originally ap wallader? Someone might like to do some homework on that. Anyway, here are all the Cadallader's in Ludlow, Fred, but no mention of a Charlotte Barclay. p63. 9 Sep 1567 John Cadwallader buried p69. 19 Oct 1572 Ann Cadwallader buried p72. 15Sep 1574 Symon Cadwallader buried p81. 3 May 1579 Ann d/o Richard Cadwallader buried p344. 2 Jan 1629 John Cadwallader buried p361. 5 Dec 1637 Richard ap Cadwallader buried (big gap here between Cadwalladers) p816. 13 May 1735 Richd. Williams of this parish and Priscilla Cadwallader of p. Bishop's Castle married p822. 28 Jul 1736 Ja. Cadwallader and Cath. Cadwallader both of p. Bettws married p877. 2 Mar 1747 Priscilla d.o Thos. Cadwallader and Mary baptized, buried 26 Apr 1748 p882. 18 Feb 1754 Ed. Edwards and Martha Cadwallader both of this parish married p893. 16 Sep 1753 Mary d/o Jno Cadwallader and Mary baptized p911. 2 Mar 2 Mar 1756 Joyce d.o Jno Cadwallader and Mary baptized p923. 3 Sep 1758 Mary w/o Jno Cadwallader buried p927. 10 Jan 1760 Elizabeth d/o Thomas Cadwallader and Mary baptized p933. 31 May 1761 Elizabeth - as above - buried p934 17 Jun 1762 Thomas s/o Thomas Cadwallader and Mary baptized p942. 16 Oct 1764 Jno - as above p1054. 2 Apr 1790 Mary d/o Thomas and Elizabeth Cadwallader baptized p1110. 13 Apr 1800 Thomas Cadwallader buried p1111 9 Jan 1801 Thomas s/o Thomas and Charlotte Cadwallader baptized p1117 15 Aug 1802 Richard - as above p1126. 24 Jan 1804 Ann - as above p1129. 17 Jul 1804 Mary Cadwallader, wid, buried p1137. 3 May 1806 William s/o Thomas Cadwallader and Charlotte baptized p1169. 7 Nov 1812 Mary base child of Martha Cadwallader baptized p1173. 6 Mar 1765 Thomas Cadwallader [signs Cadwaletter] and Mary Wheeler married. Wit. William Collins and Jno Powys p1195. 9 Nov 1773 Richard Baldwyn and Mary Cadwallader by licence, and consent of parents p1231. 27 Jun 1805 William Evans and Margaret Green by licence. Wit. Elizabeth Green and Thomas Cadwallader Also, page 498. 28 Jan 1675 Jane Jones alias Cadwallader wid, buried Further LUDLOW transcriptions: Della PEARSON on <dellapearson@telus.net> was looking for PAGE. Rather too many to transcribe, Della, but herewith some which may be of use. p1228. 14 July 1803 Benjamin Butcher and Elizabeth Evans married. Wit. Frans. PAGE [?] and Sarah Edwards p1144. 6 Jan 1807 Richard s/o Francis Page buried p1136. 13 Apr 1806 Richard s/o Francis Page and Easter baptized p738. 4 Jul 1722 Francis Page and Anne MANTLE both p. of Stoke St. Milborough married (see Stoke St. Milborough records below) STOKE ST. MILBOROUGH PAGE p23. 1 May 1720 John Brookes and Mary Page married p25. 27 Apr 1736 (sic) John Beddus and Eleanor Page married p36. 31 May 1726 Anne d/o Francis Page and Anne baptized p37. 21 Mar 1728 Elizabeth, as above p58. 12 Jun 1731 Anne w/o Francis Page buried p60. 7 Feb 1748 Samuel Tayler and Ann Page married p93. 9 Dec 1779 William s/o Sarah Page base baptized p119. 26 Nov 1780 Francis Smith p. Holdgate and Ann Page lic by Jno Edwards, curate. Wit Susanna Smyth and Samuel Tayler I have a line drawing of Stoke St. Milborough as it was in 1787. If anyone wants a copy let me know and I'll send it off-list. Anne JAMES on <Pasttimes99@aol.com> wanted to know if there were any James in Ludlow. Oh, were there - were there indeed! Hundreds, it seems. Too many to transcribe, I'm afraid, Anne. Checked again at LUDOW for Carolyn KELLY in cold Canada for her Mary DAY and Robert BARK family. No go, I'm afraid, Carolyn John Denny is looking for DEVEY folk at LUDLOW. Found one, and only one, John, but there were two entries at STOKE S. MILBOROUGH. LUDLOW: p192. 12 Dec 1770. The Revd. Mr. William Devey p. of Bitterley and Martha Walker by licence married, with consent of parents. Wit. Elizabeth Rock and James Walker STOKE ST. MILBOROUGH: p116. 7 1768. Marriages performed by J. Devey of Bitterley p. 116. 1769. Mariages performed by W. Devey, curate, signs up to 1775. John Denny can be found on <john.denney@ntlworld.com> Continuing LUDLOW Rita Bailey was looking for an Elizabeth Bailey around 1883. Sorry, Rita, these books conclude 1812. Out of range. There were Bailey folk, all right - far too many of them!!! Rita can be located on Greenways@aol.com Clifford BLAZER on <blazer@talihina.k12.ok.us> needs info on Edward BOWEN and his wife Sarah CARTER. You forgot to put any dates in, Cliff, but really this is an ant's next, there are about fifty entries for Bowen at Ludlow and stacks of Edward Bowens also, but no match in a marriage of an Edward and Sarah. Still here's something. p1092. 7 May 1797 Sarah d/o Edward Carter and Sarah baptized Is this a possibility? None in Stoke St. Milborough nearby, nor in Neen Savage, also close by. Still in LUDLOW, wouldn't you guess! Jan MCBETH all the way from New Zealand (apparently getting the smoke from New South Wales bush fires) is dying for WOOF(E) folks in Ludlow. Jan is found on <janmcb@xtra.co.nz>. Well, woof, woof, look at this! p406. 12 Oct 1662 Martha d/o Richard and Alice Wolfe baptized p410. 1 Jan 1664 Thomas - as above p413. 1 Nov 1666 Sarah - as above - but spelt Woolfe p417. 7 Jun 1668 Charles - as above p466. 11 Apr 1675 Elizabeth d/o John Woofe and Joane p469. 16 Jan 1676 John, as above p474. 28 Apr 1678 Sarah, as above p479. 13 Apr 1681 Martha, as above p483. 1 May 1683 William, as above p502. 6 May 1678 Elizabeth w/o John Woof buried (sic) p511. 7 Nov 1683 William s/o John Woof buried p577. 13 Jan 1695 Thomas Woffe and Hester James of Cleobury Mortimer parish married STOKE ST. MILBOROUGH parish: (continuing on from LUDLOW) WOOF: p66. 6 Oct 1754 Anne d/o Thomas Woof and Mary baptized p69. 12 Aug 1759 Susan - as above p70. 28 Aug 1759 Susan - as above buried p74. 2 Sep 1764 Thos. - as above - baptized p79 20 Jul 1767 Thos - as above - buried p91. 6 Aug 1806. Thos. Woof buried MANTLE: p23. 1 Sep 1715 John Mantle and Anne Beevin married p24. 30 Apr 1733 (sic) John Mantle and Margaret Harley married p32. 21 Oct 1716 Thomas s/o John Mantle and aAnne baptized p33. 18 Jan 1718. William - as above p35. 3 Apr 1724 John - as above p36. 1 Nov 1727 Alice - as above p37. 15 Sep 1728 George s/o George Mantle and Hannah baptized p38. 29 Apr 1733 George s/o John and Anne Mantle baptized p41. 29 Aug 1736 John - as above p58. 30 Jan 1730 (sic) John s/o John and Anne Mantle buried p59. 2 Jan 1736 William - as above - buried p61. 23 Dec 1776 (sic) Timmothy s/o John Mantle and Mary (sic) baptized p67 23 Dec 1756 Frans. Abberley and Mary Mantle married p76. 30 Apr 1773 George s/o John and Mary Mantle baptized p78. 3 Sep 1762 John Mantle buried p84. 2 Jun 1784 Ann Mantle buried p89. 21 Oct 1800 Thomas Mantle buried p91. 25 Jun 1808 Martha Mantle buried p92. 11 Aug 1777 Timothy s/o John & Mary Mantle baptized p93. 21 Jun 1779 Richard - as above p94. 29 Aug 1781 Elizabeth - as above p106. 20 Sep 1781 Elizabeth d/o Jno and Mary Mantle baptized (sic) p118. 11 Feb 1777 George Mantle and Martha Bourton married by Jno Edwards, curate. Wit. William Turley, Elizabeth Turley and Samuel Taylor. The "gypsy" folk who surrounded Eric Jervis's ggg-grandmother Charlotte Wlliams, who married Evans Jones an earthenware dealer in MYDDLE 1806, seem to have spirited her away. She was not baptized at Myddle, Eric. No other useful records that I could find. I went back to 1720. Myddle is not indexed. If someone locates his ggg-grandmother, Eric is to be found on <eric@dol-llys.freeserve.co.uk> David ALLCOCK on <cda@xcelco.on.ca> wanted ALCOCK folk marrying FIRMSTONE, SHEPHERD, HANDY AND LLOYD of Little Wenlock and Wellington. Sorry David, we don't have either of those regs. Gloria SIMONS-KRISKE of Scottsdale, Az., on <Cootie59@aol.com> need some info on a James Trow, 14Feb 1767, son of John and Mary, possible marriage 1761 to Mary Stokes. The following may be useful to you: p122. 6 Mar 1763. Thomas s/o Thomas and Mary Trow baptized p126 12 Feb 1769 Mary d/o John and Mary Trow baptized p129. 30 Jan 1772. Benjamin - as above p180. Marriage by banns. 11 May 1762 21 May 1762 (sic. there were a series of marriages with only the two dates for banns given) John Trow and Mary Stokes. Looking for a baptism of Mary Stokes, I found p92. 21 Feb 1731 William s/o William Stokes and Margaret baptized p95. 21 Apr 1735 Mary d/o William Stokes and Margaret baptized (the only one) p98. 16 Oct 1731 John - as above p100. 25 Jan 1740 Samuel - as above p122 7 Nov 1762 William Stokes buried p128. 4 Aug 1770 Margaret Stokes buried MISCELLANEOUS from the parish of KINLET BEBB: p33. 8 Jan 1864 Joyce Bebb of NEEN SAVAGE buried p72. 9 Oct 1714 John Bebb of BAVENEY buried PAGE: p23 5 May 1674 Richard Page and Elizabeth Wood married p81. 13 May 1722 Richard Page of Morvield and Mary Hazeldine otp married by banns p122. 17 Mar 1763 Sarah Page buried Phew!!! That's a lot of work! See you later Have a lovely day, everyone and take it easy with the 1901 census. I think I'll wait till March, now! Less crowded. Bye Graham