Hi all, I want to thank all for replying on my request, I now realise why I have such a great singing voice, and can drink like a fish, but play lousey rugby emmmmmmmmm. John Allington's Wife, Mary Elizabeth Roberts b. 1864'ish, states she was born in Summerhill, which I notice is not far from Brymbo, so the plot thickens. I will return to wales email when I find some info on my OWEN side Again Thanks Mike McCarthy A kiwi residing in the COLD USA