Hi everyone Today's gleanings; Lynda Rimas, in what she terms is blizzardly cold Amaranth, Canada, on <Rimas@sympatico,ca> asked me to keep an eye out for a Richard SHERRY born c.1804 at ST. CHAD'S SHREWSBURY. He did a runner, Lynda - no sign of him at all - didn't want anyone to be pouring water on his head at the font and certainly did not want to be married or buried there either. Perhaps the smog and smoke of the city was too much for him! Have to get the geny detectives onto this one. But, there were some interesting developments at St. Chad, nevertheless. Patti Flyn Heimsness on <pattiflynn@lycos.com> was very good at giving her Pritchard details at St. Chad's, and wanted to know if some of the female children of Samuel & Mary Pritchard had survived to marry. I rather enjoyed this one. Patti, here are all the details that will dovetail into what you already have, and you may get a few surprises. By the way, there were "millions" of Pritchards at St. Chad's. Rather exhausting just to look at them! Rather like Smith down south! :)) p1282 6 Jan 1767 Richard s/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard baptized. p1295 10 Aug 1768 Samuel - as above p1309. 22 Jun 1770 William - as above p1327. 14 Jul 1772 Mary - as above - but now the register lists the parents as Mr. Samuel and Mrs. Mary Pritchard. Obviously they had attained some higher level of social significance in the community by that date! Patti tells me that Samuel was a Burgess. p1340. 30 Sept 1774 Ann d/o Samuel & Mary Pritchard baptized (I note you have her listed as Hannah. Depends what records you read, I guess!) p1355. 1 Jul 1776 Edward - as above p1361. 7 Jan 1777 John - as above - (Samuel is now listed as "hatter." A gentlemen's hatter, no doubt! Doesn't that put a spin on things?) p1363. 23 Feb 1777 Maria d/o Samuel and Elean: (sic) Pritchard, baptized THIS IS INTERESTING! p1377. 18 May 1778 Elizabeth d/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard baptized. Born 24th April p1389. Laetitia d/o Samuel & Eleanor, baptized, born 14th. Woops - forgot to write down the date. Must have been, just at that time, the thunder rolled and I looked up through the clear glass roof to see the grey clouds rolling by. :)) Didn't rain, anyway. Shame. Anyway, she doesn't belong to Samuel and Mary, so let's just forget her for the time being. Poor Laetitia. Probably a cousin. p1408. 18 Mar 1781 Martha d/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard, baptized p1413. 13 Jul 1781 Maria d/o Samuel and Eleanor Pritchard of Franl, baptized. (I reckon that this is Frankwell, wherever that might be!) p1420. 20 Jan 1782 Samuel s/o Samuel and Eleanor Pritchard baptized, born 4th p1424. 19 Jun 1782 Frances d/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard baptized, born 18th (Nice to have the birth dates, is it not?) p1446. 7 Jul 1784 Laetitia d/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard baptized, born 25 June p1462. 18 Oct 1785 Sarah - as above, no date of birth given p1488. 21 Oct 1787 Priscilla - as above, born 7th p1551. 25 Oct 1793 Samuel s/o Mr. Samuel and Ann Pritchard (Corn Market) baptized, born 25 Oct. (Son of Samuel born 1768???) p1745. 2 Aug 1811 Samuel Pritchard aged 59 buried (no wonder, after siring all those chidlren! He must have been exhausted!) p1784. 22 Dec 1765 Samuel Pritchard and Mary Harris married by licence p1799. 5 Oct 1773 Samuel Pritchard and Eleanor Brownhill married p1832. 22 Jun 1789 Samuel Pritchard and Elizabeth Hill married p1884. 25 Feb 1805 Samuel Pritchard and Ann Nickless [signs Nicholass] married. Wit. John Hughes and John Saxon jnr. (possibly connected with St. Chad's) No more entries concerning a Samuel Pritchard in the transcribed register. Re. the children p1538. 30 Aug 1792 Lett. Pritchard age 13 buried p1507. 3 Sep 1789 Mary Pritchard buried (could be an elder person, of coursel) p1907. 4 Dec 1810 Francis Pritchard parish of Buttington, Montgomeryshire, and Elizabeth Hughes married. Wit. Thomas Humphrey and Martha Pritchard. (Seems the younger Martha survived at least to this date. What is the connection to Buttington, near Welshpool? Cousin, perhaps?). The other girls obviously married later, or married out of the parish. Transcripts end 1812. Patti was also interested in Mary Harris's mother - a Mary deVisschers and wondered what this latter name was. Well, seems to be Flemish or Dutch as in De Visscher - DeViss(ch)er, and possibly, but not necessarily, Jewish. Eventually comes down most likely to Visser, and then to the common English version of Fisher. So, all you Fisher's out there (apart from those named so because of their occupation) look to Belgium and Holland for your possible earlier heritage! Have fun searching, anyway! Mike McCarthy on <MMccar2080@aol.com> needed some help with an Edward Owen b. 28 Oct 1756, at Albrighton. Not much, I'm afraid, Mike, but these two entries at ALBRIGHTON. p34. 8 Nov 1807 Thomas s/o Edward Owen and Charlotte baptized p36. 28 Jul 1812 Sarah d/o Edward Owen and Charlotte baptized Justine ORME on <ormefam@extra.co.nz> was buttering me up with promises of strawberry jam, etc., but wanted some info re. Edward Vaughan who married an Ann somebody, before 1670 and were resident at Crickheath around that time. Ahh, well, Justine, I figured that very close by was the parish of Kinnerley (a very much used parish for baptisms and marriages) where my BATHER's hailed from, and if one was lucky......... very lucky........ Anyway, you may be lucky by default. Although there was no listing of your Edward and Ann, there were some very interesting entries of Vaughans there, who are probably connected. p1. 16 Jun 1677 Mary ye wife of Rich. Vaughan of Sandford buried p18. 19 Oct 1685 Richard Hanmer and Elizabeth Vaughan married p41. 21 Jul 1694 Sara Vaughan of Terecoyd buried p50. 1 Nov 1697 Mr. thomas Clapham, vicar, and Mrs. Lydia Vaughan married p151. 26 May 1745. ohn s/o John Vaughan baptized p154. 6 Sep 1747 William - as above p155. 5 Oct 1747 Reice Vaughan and Shusanna Tomley married p160. 23 Mar 1751/2 Mary d/o John Vaughan baptized p167. 7 Nov 1754 Sarah w/o John Vaughan of Lower Massbrook buried (Maesbrook) p201. 30 Mar 1773 Susan w/o Rees Vaughan of Maesbrook Ucha buried p201. 21 Apr 1773 Rees Vaughan of Maesbrook Ucha buried p233. 7 Apr 1790 Thomas s/o Thomas Vaughan and Amy (formely Bate) of Argoed, farmer, baptized. Born 13 Jan (Don't you just love this minister, giving all this detail! Perhaps he switched to being a Methodist later on, they were great at detail!) p242. 8 Feb 1795 John s/o Thomas Morris and Catharine (formerly Vaughan) lab., of Maesbrook Ucha, baptized. Born 6th Feb. p264. 16 Oct 1808 Elizabeth d/o Richard Morris and Elizabeth (formerly Vaughan) of Maesbrook, shoemaker, baptized. Born 17 Sep. (Just love this minister!) p268. 21 Apr 1811 Mary d/o Richard Morris and Elizabeth (formerly Vaughan) of Kinnerley, shoemaker, baptized. Born 13 April. p287. 1 Apr 1803 Thomas Vaughan, farmer of Argoed, buried p304. 9 Apr 1786 William Vaughan of Kinnerley, widr, and Elizabeth Bell p. of Middle, wid, married And then, also close by at the KNOCKIN church p7. Mr. Vaughan, curate of Llanyblodwell officiated at burials. (Wonder wot's happening in Llanyblodwell, Justine?) p20. 19 Jan 1743 John Davies of Kinnerley and Elizabeth Vaughan of Felton married p28. 24 Mar 1780 John s/o Richard and Elizabeth Vaughan baptized p56. 9 Oct 1777 Daniel Collins of p. Oswestry and Sarah Vaughan otp married. Wit. Edward Peploe and Richard Jones. MISCELLANEOUS STRAYS FROM CLWYD: Marriages CHALENOR/CHALLINOR Challinor, William of Isycoed, Hanmer, and Elizabeth Murhall of Whitchurch by licence at Whitchurch 23rd May 1767 Chaloner, Thomas of Wrexham and Maria Goodman of Ruthin married by licence at Ruthin 4th Oct 1725. Challenor, John of Eastham and Jane Davies of Garwarden married at Eastham 30th Jan 1790 Chalenor, Edmund, lab., of Holt, ba. and Jane Carr of Farndon, sp., married after Banns at Fardon 24th Nov 1897. Chalenor, George, lab., of Hold and Lydia Gronnow of Frandon married after Banns at Farndon 10th Sep 1889. Chalenor, Samuel, bricksetter, ba., of Holt and Martha Lewis of Fardon, sp., married after Banns at Fardon 27th Sept 1893. Chalenor, Timothy Latham of Farndon (Asylum Attendant) and Harriet Griffiths, sp., of Southsea, Wrexham, married by licence at Fardon 17th Apr 1922. Compliments: the Clwyd Family History Society researchers, typists, collators, readers, printers, etc. Lovely folk. You don't get much better than this! Ta ta Sleep tight Graham (bush fires abating, thank goodness) N.B. I have found numerous errors in the indexes of these Shopshire Parish Registers as transcribed by the Shropshire Parish Register Society which was mainly in the very early 1900s, and at least, as far as I can gather up to 1936, in that - in the index the person by that name is just not there on the page. Blank, blank, so to speak. Again, when discovering persons by random methods, they appear on the page of baptisms, etc. with their parents, but they do NOT appear in the index. (So, we are all human, are we not, and we all make mistakes.) One Priscilla Pritchard, though shown on the transcribed pages ofthe register, does not appear anywhere in the index. Thus, after her recorded baptism, if she died and it was not recorded in the index, how on earth would you find her burial? So, what is the lesson to be learnt from this? As always, go back to the original registers, go back to the microfilms provided by the LDS folk where you will see with your own individual eyes the early papers with the original ink entries. It is all very well to rely upon transcriptions, and transcriptions from transcriptions, but in the end the only real satisfaction you can have, and the only way to prove things out, is to get the original registers in your very own hands. Otherwise, you may be barking up the wrong tree! Personally, I have never accepted anything without having proved it out eventually with the original registers. Remember this also, every time you look at the IGI. I respect it. It is a great and marvellous tool, but it is not perfect. It was put together by humans with the same faults and frailites that you and I have. Let's face it - errors abound in genealogy. Probably more so than you would care, or like, to think.