The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 3 Jun 1895, Page 8. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary, please send me your mailing address. (Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a more diverse group.) "DAVID M. JONES DEAD "Expires at His Home on Hillside Street at the Age of Seventy-eight "David M. Jones of 21 Hillside street died of pernicious anaemia at 9 o'clock on Saturday evening, aged 78 years. He has been a resident of this county for the last twenty-five years and on the Heights for the past twenty years. He was a faithful member of the First Welsh Congregational Church and was a deacon of this church for twenty years and of Mill Creek Congregational Church for five years. He was a native of Cymer Glyncorrwg, Wales, and emigrated with his family in 1870. He is survived by a wife, son and three daughters. His son, Rev. M.P. Jones, is a pastor at Kent, Ohio. One of the daughters is the wife of Rev. W.C. Jones of Cripple Creek, Colorado. The others are: Mrs. Gwilym Evans and Mrs. Henry Prichard of this city. "The funeral will take place on Thursday at 3 o'clock. Interment in Hollenback Cemetery. Rev. R. Lloyd Roberts will officiate, assisted by Rev. John F. Davies of Parsons. Other ministers will be present." Nancy Cook Pasadena, MD, USA

The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 18 May 1895, Page 7. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary, please send me your mailing address. (Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a more diverse group.) "DIED AT ASKAM "H.F. Jones died at his home at Askam on Thursday evening after a short illness of inflammation of the bowels. His age was 29 years, 7 months and 6 days, and he leaves a wife and four small children. Funeral will be on Sunday at 2 o'clock. Services at Askam M.E. Church. Interment in Hanover Green Cemetery. Deceased was born in South Wales and came to this country when quite young. Mr. Jones was a mine contractor and his death was sudden, he being only sick for one week. Elija and George Jones of Nanticoke are brothers of deceased." Nancy Cook Pasadena, MD, USA

The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 16 Feb 1895, Page 1. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary, please send me your mailing address. (Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a more diverse group.) "SHE DIED IN WALES "Richard Williams (Eos Cennen) and wife, of this city, received news yesterday of the death of Mrs. Mary Michael of Llandilo, Wales, Mrs. Williams's mother. She was 64 years of age, and only six months ago returned to Wales, after having spent six months with her children at Kingston." Nancy Cook Pasadena, MD, USA

Hi, I wonder if this is the family you want especially as the wife is born in Chirbury Shropshire, the same area as the Chiltons. Regards, Margaret Harvey Parish of Berriew JONES, John h m 34 labourer MGY Cas Caereinio Crop lane /f44/p13 JONES, Elizabeth w m 33 SAL Chirbury Crop lane /f44/p13 JONES, Elizabeth d u 12 scholar MGY Cas Caereinio Crop lane /f44/p13 JONES, Margaret d 7 scholar MGY Cas Caereinio Crop lane /f44/p13 JONES, William s 3 scholar MGY Berriew Crop lane /f44/p13 JONES, John s 1 MGY Berriew Crop lane /f44/p13 Parish of Montgomery CHILTON, Joseph h m 59 stone mason SAL Chirbury Chirbury Road /f99/p17 CHILTON, Sarah w m 58 MGY Montgomery Chirbury Road /f99/p17 Parish of Churchstoke WARREN, Robert h m 26 curate of middleton IRL Todlith /f209/p1 WARREN, Elizabeth w m 21 IRL Todlith /f209/p1 ALLMAN, Charlotte vs u 26 gentlewoman IRL Todlith /f209/p1 JONES, Anne sv w 60 house servant SAL Chirbury Todlith /f209/p1 GWYNNE, Mary sv u 16 house servant MGY Todlith /f209/p1 CHILTON, William sv u 13 servant SAL Chirbury Todlith /f209/p1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Gosselin" <Harold&Jane@telus.net> To: <WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:16 AM Subject: [WALES-GEN] 1851 Census Montgomeryshire Wales. > Dear List, > I would like to ask someone who has the 1851 census for Montgomeryshire in Wales to do a look-up for me. I am researching my Jones family in Berriew. My grandfather was born there in 1847 at Brooklane Farm. His name was William Chilton Jones. I think his fathers name was John and he had a brother Richard who I am told fought in the Zulu wars in 1879. A list of any of the Jones families in that area would be very helpful. Prehaps his mothers maiden name was Chilton as that name runs thru the family today. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou, > Jane from BC. Canada, > harold&jane@telus .net. > > > ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi listers, Can I please ask for some help. I am suck on my grandparents as I never knew them. I have found a marriage cert. for them. Charles FISHER married Francis Irene Beatrice BURGESS on December 29th 1909 at Llanelly registry office. They were living in Gowerton at the time at separate addresses. Her father was Ralph BURGESS and his father was James Isaac FISHER. Hope someone canm help perhaps with 1891 census or 1901 when up and running. I find it difficult to research as partially sighted and physically disables so microfiche are out of the question. Many thanks in the hope of some interest. Chris Humphries near the Severn Bridge.

Good evening (or morning) folks. The saga continues: Ann Gould on <Cobtree11@aol.com> was looking for Peter Pierce born Abergele about 1814. Unfortunately the Clwyd FHS transcriptions here conclude at 1812, so couldn't be found - though there was an earlier marriage which may become useful in the future, Ann. by Banns 11 Dec 1802, Richard Pierce, widower of St. George (signs with a X) to Ellin Jones, spinster of this parish (signs with a X). Witnesses. Hugh Davies X and Ellen Davies. Keith Williams on <keithazel@btinternet.com> wanted some Williams at Whittington. Sorry Keith, you dates are to late for the registers here. But at HARWARDEN, you were asking for READ & COLECLOUGH. So, here you are. By the way you seem to have got the marriage of Rachel Read & Sam Coleclough 13 14 1814, wrong. That was a baptism, as you will see as you go down the page.(Probably just a typographical error, eh :)) ) p26. 13 Nov 1814 Rachel Coleclough baptized, born 21 Oct d/o Samuel and Rachel (Read) butcher, Mn (which means of Mancot) p43. 8 Apr 1817 Samuel Coleclough baptized, born 30 March - as above p62. 28 Jan 1820 John Coleclough baptized, born 13 Dec 1819 s/o Samuel and Rachel (Read) butcher and publican, Mn All this is compliments of the hard working folk of the Clwyd Family History Society. In further volumes there are another 14 entries. Harwarden register goes up to 1850 in these publications. I can get them for you, within the next few days, if you need them. Carol Haycock, obviously in freezing Denver, on <ghaycock@rmi.net> was looking for Haycox at Stanton Lacy - I will have to access these later as they have gone back to the stack. But here is some from BITTERLEY for you. p130. 21 May 1781 Mary d/o John and Letticia Haycox baptized p132. 13 Apr 1783 John - as above p134. 24 Apr 1785 Benjamin - as above p137 12 Apr 1787 Ann - as above p137? 26 Apr 1789 William - as above p143. 18 Dec 1791 Richard - as above p147. 26 Oct 1794 Thomas - as above p151. 26 Jun 1780 - John Haycox b., and Laeticia Palmer sp., married by John Attwood (please note that the reason the dates do not coincide in most of these books is because the marriages are generally kept separate) p169. 24 Jul 1794. William Haycocks and susanna Hughes married by Fras. Blick, min. Wit. David Jones and Elizabeth Hughes p194. 1 May 1808 Letitia Rudd d/o Ann Haycocks baptized, born 27 April (no further information on this) p208. 22 May 1810. William Haycocks 22 buried (He is the only William incl. above, in the register) p? 2 Nov 1782. Benjamin Haycox and Susannah GENNOE married. Wit. Edward Genoe and Thos. Holloway p175. 20 Mar 1811. Benjamin Haycocks, b., and Mary Corns, sp., married. Wit. John Haycocks and William Nott Rob Teggin on <Rwteggin@aol.com> was looking at Tegan/Tegin folk at WHITTINGTON. Here you are Rob. p582. 19 Jul 1767 Edward Tegan and Sarah Edwards both of this parish by W. Roberts, Rr. Banns p472. 10 Apr 1768 Elizabeth d/o Edward Teggen and Sarah his wife of Hindford, baptized (now you know where they lived!0 p475. 26 Dec 1769 John s/o Edward Teggen and Sarah his wife of Francton, baptized p483. 27 Sep 1772 Sarah - as above, but of Hindford p489. Margaret d/o Edward Teggen, shoemr, and Sarah his wife of Hindford, baptized This is the best of looking at the more original records. I recommend to everyone that wherever possible they obtain the microfilms of original parish registers from the LDS folk. Not only do you find info that otherwise is hidden from you, but you get a great thrill out of it when you just "happen" upon these relatives. p503. Edward - as above p512 13 Jun 1779 - as above, but shoemaker is now spelt out p524. 12 May 1782. Thomas - as above (still at Hindford) p623. 13 Jul 1794 Samuel Bd (sic) s/o Sarah Teagin of Frankton, by John Rogers of Sylattyn parish, baptized p646. 4 Jul 1804 Mary Teggin bastardd d/o Elizabeth Teggin by John Hampson of Berghill, born and baptized. p673. 5 May 1803 Thomas Teggin and Catherine Lindap married So, here we go looking for Sarah Edwards. Not so easy. p387. 23 Feb 1738/9 Sarah d/o Edward Edwards and Sarah his wife of Frankton baptized p392. 9 Aug 1741. Sarah d/o William Edwards and Mary his wife of Whittington baptized p397. 15 Apr 1744 Sarah nat. d/o Martha Edwards of Berghill baptized Take your pick!!! No.... don't do that. Rob says that he was informed by a Welsh surname historian that the surname derives from TEGEINGL, an ancient kingdom in the dark ages situated in North Flintshire. Fascinating! Now to some non-conformist records. Susan Dalley of Windsor, Ontario on <dalley@mnsi.net> hoped to find some DALLEY ancestors at Bridgnorth. As we only had the non-conformist recs, I checked, but sad to say there were none. Sorry Susan, better luck next time. Pat Hughes in "dreary" Hampshire, England, on <pet@pathughes.fsnet.co.uk> wanted any POPPITT folks I may come across. Here's one, Pat. MINSTERLEY Independent Chapel: p322. 23 Aug 1830. Sarah d/o Hopkins and Martha Titley (Poppet) shoemaker, born, bap 3 Sep Hogstow, Westbury Gill Hart on <Gill.Hart@btinternet.com> is champing at the bit for his MASON folk of Brosley Baptist Chapel BROSELEY p.197. 3 Aug 1826 Hezekiah d/o Mary Mason, Church St., Brozeley baptized (The Hezekiah you thought was a son, Gill, turns out to be a gal) p204. 28 Mar 1833 Arabella d/o Thomas and Mary Mason, Westwood Common, Wenlock, Salop, baptized p206. 23 Sep 1834. Damaris d/o John and Elizabeth Mason, Dog Kennel Row, Broseley, baptized (That's a good one! I wonder how many times the husband was in the dog house?) Some folk were looking for NEWPORT non-conformist regs. Try as I might, even though it was listed in the index, couldn't find the place! Will have another stab at it again, later on. Back to HIGH ERCALL and SAMBROOKE or SAMBROOK Being researched by Susan Evans Shaw on <susan@nas.net> and Ross Nixon on <r.g.nixon@inspire.net.nz> You two might be related - you'd better check all these entries and the previous ones given the other day very carefully! (These are not all the Sambrooks, just following several lines) p302.15 May 1709 Eleanor d/o William Sambrook of Roden and Elizabeth baptized p326. 15 May 1715. Samuel s/o William Sambrook of Slafford Bridge in the township of Isombridge and Elis, baptized p378. 17 Feb 1731 Jeremiah s/o William Sambrook of Walton and Elizabeth baptized p401. 6 Mar 1739 Elinor d/o Samuel Sambrook and Elis baptized p403 10 May 1740 William s/o Samuel and Elis of Walton baptized p413. 27 Jan 1744 Eliz., d/o Samuel Sambrook of Cotwall and Eliz. baptized p421. 28 Jun 1747 Thomas - as above p.448. 28 Apr 1756 Richard s/o Samuel Sambrook of Walton baptized p454 30 Jun 1758 Richard s/o Samuel Sambrook of Walton baptized (sic) p470. 19 May 1752 Elizabeth w/o William Sambrook of Walton buried p470 (date missed) Samuel s/o William Samuel of Cottwal Fields baptized p473. 19 Oct 1764 William Sambrook a man from the hospital buried p476. 1 Dec 1765 William s/o William Sambrook of Ercall buried p487. William s/o Jeremiah of Walton, baptized (missed the date, must have been tired. Will get it tomorrow, have reserved these books. Just as well!) p491. 20 May 1770 John s/o William Sambrook of Cottwal baptized p497 24 May 1772 Thomas s/o Samuel Sambrook of Walton baptized p505. 5 Feb 1775 Samuel s/o Samuel Sambrook of Obaston baptized p510. 13 Mar 1777 Sarah - as above p511. 9 Aug 1777 Samuel s/o Samuel Sambrook buried p514. 26 Jul 1778 E-- w/o Samuel Sambrook of Obaston buried p531. 8 Apr 1784 Thomas s/o Jeremiah Sambrook baptized p553 17 Jan 1791 William s/o Samuel Sambrook of Little Witheford buried p533. 23 Jan 1793 Mary d/o Samuel Sambrook of Obaston Lane baptized p584. 3 May 1801 William s/o William Sambrook baptized p564. 31 Aug 1794 Samuel s/o Samuel Sambrook junio of Isombridge baptized p571. 24 Jul 1796 William s/o Richard Sambrook of Isombridge buried p571. 14 Aug 1796 Jane d/o William Sambrook of Walton baptized p572. 29 Jan 1797 Ann d/o William Sambrook of Cottwall Fields baptized p572. 12 Feb 1797 Thomas s/o Samuel Sambrook of Isombridge p577. 31 Oct 1798 Sarah d/o Samuel Sambrook of Obaston Lane buried p593 26 May 1805 William s/o William Sambrook of Cottwall baptized (don't see a burial for the previous one! 2 families? Necessary to see the original records.) p.602. 15 Mar 1808 Edward s/o Samuel Sambrook of the Marsh baptized p608. William s/o William Sambrook of Walton baptized (not another one!) p619. 25 Jul 1763. William Sambrook and Catherine Aaron married. Wit. Samuel Sambrook & John Paget, (shown in some records as J.P.) p626. 14 Jan 1772 Samuel Sambrook and Elizabeth Karr married. Wit. William Sambrook and F.S. p640. 15 Oct 1787 Samuel Sambrook and Mary Jones married. Wit. F.S. and Thos. Sambrook p642. 25 May 1789. Banns only. Samuel Sambrook and Mary Broughal p. of Shawbury p645. 16 Sep 1793 William Sambrook and ann Humphreyson married. Wit. Saml. Steedman, and J.P. MISCELLANEOUS: BEBB KENLEY church: p28. 15 Sep 1746 Jane w/o Thomas Bebe buried pp28. 14 Oct 1746 Thomas Beeb housband buried KENLEY church: VAUGHAN p15 12 Jan 1718 Gawen Vaughan's dau buried p18. 14 Jan 1727 Susanna Vaughan buried p21. 29 Sep 1731 Gewinn Vaughan buried p65. Collected fro' house to house for ye poor distressed Palatines upon her MAties Patents as follows in Oct 1709. Gawen Vaughan 0 0 6d. (and others) COUND church. BEBB p111. 3 May 1796 Sarah Bebb buried p122. 23 Mar 1761 Thomas Bebb of Hughlee and Mary Legrand married COUND church. DICKIN 6 Jun 1701 John Dickin Esq. and Mrs Mary Fowler married GRINSHILL Church. VAUGHAN p14. 5 May 1733. Richard s/o George and Elizabeth Vaughan buried p20. 14 Jun 1767 John s/o John and Elizabeth Vaughan baptized p20 4 Feb 1770 Mary - as above Have a jolly time Graham .

Hello Listers. I thought it was about time that i posted my interests again in the hope that someone is researching the same names. Please contact me if any of the names appear in your tree and I will be happy to try to supply details. MARSTON/MARSTONE......... in the Churchstoke and surrounding areas. ADDIS....................................in the same area Before 1800 Kind Regards Beryl M

Dear List, I would like to ask someone who has the 1851 census for Montgomeryshire in Wales to do a look-up for me. I am researching my Jones family in Berriew. My grandfather was born there in 1847 at Brooklane Farm. His name was William Chilton Jones. I think his fathers name was John and he had a brother Richard who I am told fought in the Zulu wars in 1879. A list of any of the Jones families in that area would be very helpful. Prehaps his mothers maiden name was Chilton as that name runs thru the family today. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou, Jane from BC. Canada, harold&jane@telus .net.

Hi: I am writing this email in hopes of finding someone with the same interests, or someone who will be able to assist me to further my quest.... Philip John Waters..birthdate/ unknown, father Evan Waters (occupation collier) married Alice Emily Skiffins born Oct. 18/1871 (Previously married to George Richard Ward). Philip and Alice lived in Maesteg, Wales....Any information pertaining to the Waters/Watters side of the family would be greatly appreciated. On their marriage certificate it placed Philip as being ten years her junior thus born in 1881. Thank you in advance for any info. janehaggett@hotmail.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hi All. Happy new year to all!!!!!!!!!!!! Does anyone have any MOTT's lurking in there family tree? If so please contact me off list. Many thanks. Kaz.

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Hi All, I am seeking information and guidance on tracing the history of Army Regiments based in Aberystwyth from 1890 to 1900. Particularly confirming that the Royal Artillery were stationed in Aberystwyth in this period. Where would they have been barracked and does this still exist today. My Great Grandfather Thomas Rees was stationed in Aberystwyth in 1893 and my Grand Mother was born there. Any assistance gratefully received. Nigel Evans

Did you expect an email on New Year's Day? Ho ho ho - Santa Claus is running late! Some extracts should have been added to the email yesterday, but it was long enough, anyway: Herewith: Marta Metcalf on <mmetcalf@vol.com> was looking for FELTON folk at High Ercall. Specifically - one Johnathon Felton who married an Elizabeth about 1699. No marriage, but..... p277. 24 Jan 1700 Johannes f. Johnathanis Felton de Sleap, et Elizabethae baptized p284. 2 Apr 1703 Ambrose s/o Johnathan Felton of Sleap and Elizabeth baptized p291. 26 Aug 1705 Johnathan s/o Johnathan Felton of Sleap and Elizabeth baptized. p298. 27 Jul 1707 Ambrose s/o above buried p301. 20 Feb 1708 George s/o above bapized p369. 12 Aug 1728 Johnathan Felton of Crudgingdon Green buried p378. 25 Feb 1731 Johnathan Felton of Cruddingdon and Sarah Luther of same, wed 379. 11 Jun 1731 Johnathan Felton of Crudgingdon Green buried Luther connections: p295. 9 Nov 1706 Martha w/o Thomas Luter of Crudington buried p289 3 Nov 1704 Sarah d/o Thomas Luter of Crudgington baptized p285. 1 May 1703 John s/o Thomas Luter of Crudgington and Martha baptized p190. 29 Mar 1674 Thomas f. Johannis Luter de Crudington et Margaretae baptized p175. 29 May 1668 Joh'es Luter et Margareta Reighnolds de Crudgington nup. PREES WHIXHALL INDEPENDENT: p330. 22 Sep 1807 William s/o George and Sarah EDGE born 4 May 1808. Baptized Welshampton parish Ellesmere 4 May 1808 (Don't you just love these registers!) p345. 4 Feb 1833 Jemima Edge d/o George & Mary Edge (formerly Clorley) born. 31 Oct bap. Cotton parish of Wem p348. 18 Oct 1819 Geiorge Edge s/o Thomas Edge and Elizabeth formerly Chidlow born, 31 Oct bap. Cotton p. Wem p349. 12 Jan 1820 Samueal s/o Joseph Edge and Sarah born, 5 Feb bap. Cotton p. Wem p351. Daniel s/o Thomas Edge and Elizabeth formerly Chidlow born, 2 Feb bap. Prees p352. 4 Feb 1825 Mary Edge d/o Thomas Edge and Elizabeth formerly Chidlow born, 27 Feb bap. Whixhall p. Wem p353 1 Mar 1825 Susannah Edge d/o Joseph Edge and Sarah born, bap. 20 Mar Wem p354. 21 Nov 1826 Hannah d/o above born, bap. 15 Dec Cotton p. Wem p355. 7 Feb 1829 Leah & Samuel d & s of the above born, bap 9 Feb Cotton p. Wem p338. ACCOUNTS bread and wine sacraments collected: 10 Feb 1807 - to Mr. WOOLAM for May Simpson one shilling p.347. 20 Oct 1811 Charles s/o Charles and Esther Woolham, Whixall bap. by S. Harris p348. 17 May 1812 John s/o William & Elizabeth Woollam Prees Lower Heath bap. p348. 17 Jul 1815 Ann Woolam d/o William & Elizabeth Woollam formerly Elizabeth Glassey born. Bap 20 Aug Prees Lower Heath p350. 15 Apr 1821 Hannah Woolam d/o William & Elizabeth Woolam born, bp 8 May Prees p351. 23 Apr 1823 John Hill s/o John Hill and Anne (formerly Anne Woolam) born, bap 18 May Wem p352. 21 Nov 1824 Ester Woolam d/o William & Elizabeth Woolam formerly Glassey born, bap 9 Dec Prees Green, Prees p353. 20 Feb 1826 Samuel Hill s/o John Hill and Ann formerly Woolam, born, bap 5 Apr Cotton, p. Wem 355 6 Jun 1828 Ann Hill d/o above born, bap 27 Jul Cotton p. Wem WROCKWARDINE 1 Dec 1811 William DARRALL and Sarah Lummas married The End for today caio Graham melbourne Oz

Happy New Year, everyone! Well it will be here in Melbourne in a couple of hours. Very interesting to see queries that have come from Clwyd, Powys and Wales-Gen lists in relation to the subject of this message. Just goes to show lots of Welsh folk have ties in Salop. Now, I must add a little caution here. Not any use emailing re. Shropshire look-ups if your folk were born after 1812, as this is when the copies here in book form finish. Same with marriages, except for the very few parishes as: Great Ness (1837) High Ercall (1837) Hope Bagot (1837) Preston Gobolds (1837) Stokesay (1837) Weston under Redcastle (1837) and Winstanston (1837). Of course, the non-conformists and the catholics generally go to 1834-37. But most non-conformists only commence around 1798-1802. Some of these chapels have listings for three or four pages only, one great exception is Wem Independent Chapel. Again, where I have looked up the registers, you will find in a number of cases that these books have gone back upstairs to the stack, and will then be diverted to another section of the library to be re shrink-wrapped, because of their deteriorating condition. This means that they will not be available again for over a week and possibly ten days or so. Also, requests for these books are taking up to 40 minutes retrieval in the holiday period, so not many can be got down in one day. Having said all of that and made you depressed, here is some joy, with a few negatives hidden in between: Continuing on with HIGH ERCALL parish: Early pages are missing. Some interesting notes about High Ercall were in the preface: The church was originally dedicated to St. Edward theconfessor, but is now dedicated to St. Michael and All Angels. There is now no ancient church plate. A silverchalice of 1690 was melted down into a modern form. A ciborium or alm's dish is dated 1747, and the flagon is of late 18th century workmanship. In a religious census taken in 1676 there were 304 conformists, 7 non-conformists, and no papists. Mal Hale on <mjhale.art@virgin.net> continues looking for Grice. p166 11 May 1664 (How's your latin Mat?) Richardus Grist, de Rowton, aetat. provectus decimon die Maijab hoc mundo migravit, dieque sequenti sepliebat ur. p195 20 Feb 1675 Richardus Griste de Rowton sep. (only the two entries of "Griste", Mat) The following are first names your were looking for. (No Richard's) p406. 24 Aug 1741 Beatrice d/o Rich. Grice of the Copy, t. of Roden baptized (perhaps it should read of the Coppice, Roden!) p467. 25 Jan 1763 Beaterage Grice, from Haughton buried p493. 7 Dec 1770 Martha d/o Beatrice Grice of Roden Coppice baptized p516. 10 Feb 1779 Beterage Grice from the workhouse, buried Justine Orme on <ormefam@xtra.co.nz> was looking for Vaughans. p228. 21 Apr 1681 Maria f. Richardi Vaughan de Rodington, et Maria baptized p307. Johannes f. Johannis Vaughan et Marie, sepultus est. fuit Incola de Waters Upton (I know - don't ask me!!! I thought Incola might have something to do with Fowlers Vacola, the bottling people - well, Waters... you know!!!) p344. 6 Oct 1720 William Grove and Anne Vaugan (sic) from Little Witheford in p. Shawbury wed p627. 4 Jan 1773 John Vaughan and Elizabeth Jones. Wit: Thos. Tayler and F.S. p647. 24 Jul 1796 Robert Kirby and Sarah Vaughan. Wit. J.P. and Jno Vaughan p651. 26 Jul 1801 William Espley and Eleanor Vaughan. Wit: Richd. Hicklin, J.P. and Charlotte Skitt. p664. 14 Apr 1817. Thomas Whifield and Eleanor Millington married. Wit. John Vaughan and William Blakemore p667. 14 Nov 1820 George Ball and Letia Upton married. Wit. Samuel Vaughn (sic) and Sarah Morris p668. 28 Dec 1821 John Grant and Mary Davies married. Wit: John Owen and Ann Vaughan p671. 18 Dec 1824 Samuel Lowe and Elizabeth Vaughan married. Wit: John Madeley and Margaret Picken p672. 9 Aug 1825 Abraham Jones and Ann Vaughan married. Wit: Samuel Vaughan and Hannah Jones. Allan Clarke on <oldguyal@dccmet.com> wanted any Gravener/Grosvenor, etc. p144. 1 Nov 1654 The Intencon (intention) of matrimony betweene Samuell Freeman, of Isombridge in ye parish of High Ercall, on ye one p'te, and Dorothy Grovnor of the town and parish of Rodington, on the other p'te, was published 3 sev'all Llord's dayes and noe exception being made ag'st yet Intencon, they were pronounced husband and wife ye second of January, by CRESWELL TAYLEUR. (and now we can all breath a sigh of relief!) p167. 28 Mar 1665 Guiliemus f. Guliemi Gravener de Haughton, sep. p175. 28 May 1668 Martha f. Gulielmi Gravener de Haughton, et Marthae bap. p181. 29 Jul 1670 Elizabetha f. Guilelmi Grovesner de Haughton, et Marthae bap. p187. 20 Mar 1672 Guilielmus f. Guilielmi Grosvenor bap. p189. 14 Nov 1673 Guilielmus f. Guilielmi Grosvenor de Haughton bap. (One has to consider that this may be an error, and was meant to be a burial, not a baptism!) p191. 5 Sep 1674 Martha, uxor, Guilielmi Grosvenor, Haughton, sep. p215. 10 Sep 1681 Guilielmus Grosvenor (via probus ac dilectus) Octavo die Septembris ab hoc mundo migravit, Decimo que die ei usden mensis intumulatus erat, pro quo Moruariam Xs solutum fuit. p216. 1 Jan 1681/2 Maria Grosvenor de Haughton sep. Steve Addison on <saddison@cableinet.co.uk> needed OWEN, NEWNES, and SHINGLER folks from the High Ercall regs. Too many Owen/s and Newnes to transcribe down, Steve, but here are all the SHINGLER folk. (If you can be very specific, I can "download" some Owen and Newnes for you on Wednesday, but need to be very specific in what you are looking for re. names and dates. p513. 8 Mar 1778 Ann base daughter of ann Shingler baptized p647. 9 Feb 1796 Richard Amies and Mary Harding married. Witnesses: Sarah Harding, Sam Steedman and Hugh Shingler p672. 29 Dec 1825 Francis Cooke and Mary France married. Wit. Benjamin Peters and Jane Shingler p675. 28 Dec 1830 Hugh Shingler p. Rodingham b., and Elizabeth Taylor sp. by licence. Wit. Mary Taylor, Lydia Taylor, William Taylor, Thomas Taylor. HAVE I MISSED ANYONE WITH HIGH ERCALL QUERIES? I have taken the liberty of holding these at the reserve desk and can continue a look-up on Wednesday, if anyone likes. After that they will have to go and be re shrink-wrapped. Ta Ta. No CRADDOCK found in the non-conformist or R.C. records. Andrew Loughran was wanting. No luck, Andrew, on <qandrewloughran@supanet.com> No REYNOLDS found in LUDLOW chapel. John Moffatt on <ad730@torfree.nett> Sorry John. Karen Harrison on <Karen.Harrison40@btinternet.com> was wanting any PAGE folk at Ditton Priors Wesleyan. Sorry Karen, not even one! And there were only 34 entries all told. Mike Herbert on <herbertm@cytanet.com.cy> was wanting a William Herbert b. about 1826 possible Market Drayton but does not show in the parish registers. Not in the non-conformist ones, either. Sorry Mike. Gill Hart on <Gill.Hart@btinternet.com> needed DENSTONE and MASON at Brosley Birch Meadow Chapel (Baptist). Can't recall if I looked for the Masons, Gill, but will check in a few days with the microfiche set, but here are all the Denstone folk. Large family! p197. 10 Jul 1835 (sic) Martha d/o Thomas & Mabel Denstone, Broseley, Salop, baptized p197 14 Nov 1826 (sic) Ann d/o Samuel and Mary Denstone, Tything, Broseley, Salop, baptized Barbara Lamb on <blamb@capital.net> was interested in a John Stephen JONES in Whitchurch 1790, son or Richard Jones and Isabella Povall. Don't have the Whitchurch regs here, only the non-conformists, and nothing was found. Sorry Barbara. The Myddle book here won't be of much use to you because the entries conclude in 1812. You may have to see if you can order a film of Whitchurch regs from the LDS folk. Good luck. Dorothy Bessex on <dbessex@shaw.ca> wanted some info on MOLLINEUX and PRITCHARD folk of Much Wenlock and Clun. Your dates are too late for me, Dorothy. Very sorry. The regs here finish at 1812. Anything else I can do for you at this time? Ann Foss on <NAAFRR@peoplepc.com> was looking at Edward CHALLENDER, born Wales possibly 1851. Too steep for me, Ann. Need a parish, but then most of the regs here finish 1812 or so. Lots of parishes in Denbighshire. Anyone help???? Pam Gardner on <pam.gardner@btinternet.com> has been patiently waiting for the last volume in the series of Oswestry regs looking for DRYHURST. p68. November 1579. Daud Watkins and Thomasyne, late Wief of Pierse Drihurst weare married the some daie (30th) p121. Septembis mensis 1587. Syna vz John Relict Petri Drihurst gen., obitj 27' die. p210. Januarie 1599. Richard Dryhurst and anne Stanney married the second daye p215. Julij 1600. Edward the sonne of Richard Dryhurst, gent, baptized the 14th daye. p227. Ffebruarie 1601. Francis the sonne of Richard Drihurst cristened the same day (24th) p252. June 1604. Joise the daughter of Richard Dryhurst, gent , baptized 17th p285. December 1607. Richard Drehurst, gent, buried the 6th daie p327. August 1613. Anne Dryhurst, widwe buried the 9th daye p623. Alles the Relict of Ffrancis Dryhurst gent buried the same day (12th) That's all for now, ladies and gents. Enjoy Graham

Hi all. Busy day. Sorry, but I'll have to cut down on the enquiries for long lists of the same surname at various parishes - takes far too much time and other folk are waiting for theirs. But, I'll give you what I can. Meanwhile, here's today's results: SHREWSBURY, St. Chad's and St. Mary's. Don't have Holy Trinity or St. Alkmund, sad to say. Ernie Careswell looking for Careswell. He's to be found on <carrenaus@yahoo.com.au> Ernie there were far too many Casewell's etc. to be taken down, but here are those listed under Carswell. ST. MARY: p302. 26 Jun 1721 Thomas Caswell and Frances Hayward married p344. Cornelius s.o Hugh Cass... buried p380. 1Jun 1748 Thomas Caswell and Mary Roberts married p390. 10 Aug 1751 Isaac Caswell buried p404. 8 Sep 1756 Thomas Carswell from jayl buried p433. 29 Sep 1766 Elizabeth Caswell buried p434. 11 Jan 1767 John s/o Thos. Caswell and Anne baptized p578. 9 Jun 1803 Catherine Carsewell 14 h of ind. buried. p685. 8 Jan 1783 William Foulkes and Ann caswell married. Wit: David Griffiths and John Jones p674. 5 Aug 1776 John Downes and Deborah Hotchkis. (This rings a bell!) Wit: Geo. Caswell. p692. 27 Feb 1786 John Evans and Mary Carswell married. Wit. Edw. Davies and John Russel Found another one for myself: p695. 4 Jul 1787 John Mollineux p. of Ellesmere and Mary Bean. Wit. Wm. Manning & Ann Winnall p?. 27 Oct 1787 John Sandford and Alice Pugh married. Wit. Francis Carswell and John Shipton p713. 10 Feb 1796 Benjamin Carswell p. of St. Alkmund and Ruth Pool by Lic. Wit. Martha Poole and George Humphreys p704. 30 Apr 1791 Thos. Salter and Sarah Pritchard. Wit. Wm. Caswell p743. 16 Jun 1806 Thos. Carswell and Jane Lewis. Wit. Robert Wycherley p779. 5 May 1810 Thos. Cayswell and Ann Shipman. Wit. Mary Davies and Richard Edwards Justine, here are some of your GAUT derivations: p15. 24 Oct 1592 Robert s/o Richard Gate of Albrighton christened p360. 6 Dec 1740 Thomas Gates buried. (slim pickings, indeed!) ST. CHAD: p926. 15 Apr 1726 Jno Caswell and Ann Hosby married p1359. 7 Oct 1776 Carswell Geo: Danl: s. of Frans. and Priscilla bap. Born the 4th p1434. 30 May 1783 Carswell Elizabeth w/o Richard christened (sic) p1495. 10 Jun 1788 Carswell Geo. 80, buried p1496. 18 Aug 1788 Carswell Frances d/o Francis and Priscilla bap. Born 16 July p1679. 27 Sep 1805. Careswell buried (sic) p1776. 17 Jan 1762. Thomas Carswell p. of Newport and Eliz' Spoonley married by lic. Ken Richards in Toronto of cold Canada on <krichard@interlog.com> was looking for a John Richards b. c.1806 and wife Catherine nee Pugh b. c.1816 at Shrewsbury. Catherine is too late for these registers, being completed in 1812 in this book form, although there was one Catherine bap. 1812 p638. Catherine d/o Thomas and Sarah Pugh, residence C. foreg. publican, born 18 Mar. (St. Mary's). No John Richards of reasonable time found in St. Chads, and in St. Mary's only: p591. 25 Dec 1805 John s/o Thomas Pritchard, Cotton Hill, taylor and Mary, born 10th p615. 19 Jan 1809 John s/o Thomas and Anne Richards, chair maker, Cross, born 28 Oct 1808. Remember, Ken, the 1841 census from which you took the details, rounded ages of adults off in periods of five years, so this John would have been 33 by then, and would have been written down as 35. Over to you. A possibility. Can you see a chair maker's son becoming a shoemaker! Maybe. More money in making shoes, perhaps? You have to keep replacing them, whereas chairs tend to stick around from generation to generation. Sherry Bonneau on <rsbonneau@shaw.ca> has just entered the arena, but as I had the St. Chad regs in my hand, she receives a quick reply. Sherry was looking for a William Morris whose son Edward was christened 25 Nov 1796. Very slim pickings here, Sherry. Only: 25 Nov 1796 Morris, Edward s/o William & Elizabeth (Hills Lane) born the 8th inst. christened. 22 Jul 1783 William Morris and Elizabeth Davies, married. (No others) Well, that's something, anyway. ST. MARTINS parish: Jane McIntosh on <mcintosh@icr.com.au> wanted info on William Roberts who was a miller in Chirk and who was 73 years old when he died Oct 1820. Possible St. Martins link. The only ones I could glean from St. Martins, Jane, are these: p163. 27 Dec 1744 William s/o John Roberts by Elizabeth his wife, baptized p165. 31 Aug 1744 William s/o William Roberts by Elizabeth his wife, baptized p175. 29Feb 1756 William s/o John Roberts, collier of The Rock, and Catherine, baptized Pam Gardner on <pam.gardner@btinternet.com> was looking for any DRYHURST folk in Oswestry. Well, Pam, I have looked through three volumes of Oswestry, and none appear, but there is one more volume, which is the first one, and which I will be able to access within the following week. BUT, here are some I found in ST. MARTINS. They certainly were very early folk in the district! p81. 18 Maii 1599 Hugo ap John Drihurst sep (buried) p81. 28 Maii 1599 Margaretta vz John Drihurst sep p125. 14 Sep 1595 Johes Drihurst et Elena vz Edward nupt. (I guess that is John Dryhurst and Helena Edwards married!) Now, we're in trouble! I commenced the HIGH ERCALL regs. and am still on them and will still be on them come tomorrow. So, after all, there weren't six volumes, but three, and they are in a sad state of affairs, not having had hard-board covers originally they are tending to fall apart, so one has to be very gentle with the pages. Anyway, when you look at the transcribings there are some very interesting things happening in High Ercall. I don't think it was a dull place to live in at all. There are some very intrigueing family happenings. And so to work! Sue Burton on <sue.burton@btinternet.com> wanted DOVASTON and variations. Yes, this has led us down a merry path. One needs to use some of Edward de Bono's thinking processes here. Follow this carefully. You could write a novel about this! p594. 29 Dec 1805 Edward a base child of Elizabeth Dovaston baptized p660. 3 Aug 1813 William Wood p. of Wrockwardine and Mary Sambrook (with consent of parents) married. Wit: Samuel Sambrooke and Elizabeth Doveston (* see further Sambooke's below) p667. 10 Sep 1820 William Prior and Elizabeth Dovaston married. Wit. Joseph Hayward and Emma Eaton. p681. 15 Nov 1837. Edward Doveston of full age, bach, laborer, Sugdon (father's name not given) and Ellen Peplow, of full age, sp. servant, Marsh Green, father Samuel Peplow, laborer, married. Susan Evans Shaw on <susan@nas.net> has some more Ash folks: There are some very interesting happenings here, also. 27 Dec 1750 William Ash from Ellerdine buried 7 Jun 1763 William of John Ash of Ellerdine baptized 23 Mar 1772 William Ashe snr. of Ellerdine buried 13 Mar 1777 Martha d/o Samuel Sambrook of Obaston baptized 30 Sep 1777 Martha d/o Samuel Sambrook of Obaston buried 14 Aug 1796 William s/o William Ash of Ellardine baptized 25 Nov 1798 Thomas s/o William Ash of Ellardine Heath baptized 8 Mar 1801 Andrew - as above 2 Nov 1803 Richard - as above [Thomas Ash & Martha Sambrook married. Wit. William Ash and Martha Owen] I missed the date, but will retrieve it. There were no baptisms from this marriage in High Ercall parish. I am wondering if this Martha Sambrook was a further daughter of Samuel Sambrook of Obaston, considering that the "first" Martha died. If so, the second Martha was not baptized at High Ercall. It may well be that another child named Martha was born and survived as the mother died in childbirth: viz: 20 Aug 1778 E--- w/o Samuel Sambrooke of Obastan buried. p626. 14 Jan 1772. Samuel Sambrook and Elizabeth Karr married. Witness William Sambrook and F.S. Further Sambrook details: p608. 31 Mar 1811 William s/o William Sambrook of Walton, baptized p608. 6 Apr 1811 Margaret d/o William Sambrook of Walton, buried p611. 23 Oct 1812 William of William Sambrook of Cotwell Fields, buried p619 25 Jul 1763 William Sambrook and Catharine Aaron married. Wit. Samuel Sambrook and John Pagett p690 15 Oct 1787 Samuel Sambrook and Mary Jones married. Wit. F.S. and Thos. Sambrook 25 Mar 1819 William Sambrook (widr) and Ann Lawrence (wid) married. wit. Francis Light (wonder if he was Sir. Francis Light of Penang, Malaya, and Straits Settlements, fame??) Jane Dabbs, and John Paget. That's all for now. Continuing High Ercall tomorrow. Cherrio Graham

I have been reading the research you have been doing on the list. I was wondering if you could help me with my Jones ancestors. My grandfather was born in Berriew, Montgomeryshire at Brooklane Farm in 1847. His name was William Chilton Jones and he had a brother Richard I think his fathers name was John. If I cannot connect to him I would like some info on Berriew. He emmigrated thru the USA.as a cowboy and then worked building the railway and then came to BC. as a bridgeman building the CPR railway. He had 4 sons William John(my father) Oliver Paul and Pryce LLewelen. Names seem to repeat themselves in families. There is a whole history of him in BC. Can. as a Cloverdale pioneer. They all married fairly late in life.so I never met him. I think the only way to find a Jones is the town in which they were born.Anything you could tell me would be most helpful. Australia is having a hot summer, I am sorry about the fires. We have a lot of relatives in New south Wales & Queensland. We have had record rains in BC. It would be nice if it evened out. Thankyou , Jane in now cold & rainy BC harold&jane @telus.net

Hello. Very warm here, and devastating bush-fires in New South Wales in a very much built-up area near and in the Blue Mountains. Lots of homes burnt down. Bush fires here in summer are something you live with, generally expecting them, but this one looks like being a black Friday and Saturday all rolled into one. Dreadful loss, but people get right up and start all over again. Amazing fortitude humans have! Probably just as well that the lists are quiet. My messages won't take up too much room then! Ruby Ahazie in Houston (good old lone star state of Texas) on <Rubi2341@aol.com> was looking for HUMPHREY folk at St. ASAPH, told by a researcher that the records should be in St. Asaph parish. Well, Ruby I looked, given the dates you gave me up to 1749 (the volume that covers baptisms 1750-80 seems to be missing) but they were not listed on any of the pages. There were some Humphrey folk, all right, but not the ones you wanted. Is it possible they were at a parish close by? Then again, I am thinking "did your researcher mean St. Asaph Diocese, and not parish???" I think you need to go back and ask. Other parishes close by might be of use (not sure if we have them here in Melbourne) - Prestatyn, Rhuddlan, Abergele, even Denbigh, and smaller towns out of St. Asaph such as Tremeirchion, Bodfari, Trefnant, Dysert, but I think you should check with the researcher first. She/he obviously wasn't a Texas Ranger! Here's a little bit of excitement for Susan Evans Shaw on <susan@nas.net> Susan was interested in Ellerdine, Shropshire, apart from the Hodnet Ash folk, also High Ercall. During a lull in my proceedings, waiting for other books to come down, I checked where Ellerdine (or Ellardine) was and noted parishes in the close vicinity. Look what I found. This gives some juicy meat to the bare bones. WATERS UPTON parish: p7. 20 Sep 1590 Ales d/o William Ashe and Anes christened per me Rogeru' Lowe p16. 9 Dec 1621 Marjory d/o William Ashe of Ellardyne, husbandman, and Janne christened (one has to watch when looking at these transcriptions, that confusion does not arise between Anne and Janne because of terrible writing and poor viewing of records due to water damage, etc. In my experience these names would look much the same as each other.) p64. 14 Apr 1794 John s/o William and Elizabeth Ash, Ellardine Heath, baptized privly. GREAT BOLAS parish: p7. 14 Jun 1600 Simond s.o Simond Ashe baptized p8. 19 Feb 1601 Elizabeth wife of Simonde Ash buried p19. 14 Jan 1621 Elizabeth Ash of Meeson buried p81. 4 Feb 1713 Roger Sydes and Eleanor Ash married after Canonicall Publication of Bans (sic) p101. 29 Jul 1751 Francis Salisbury and Elizabeth Ash married by Lic. TIBBERTON parish p1 21 August 1720 Sarah d/o Abraham Ash and Elizabeth of p. Child's Ercall baptized EDGMOND parish p17. 5 Apr 1696 Martha illeg. child of Henery Bold and Sarah Ash, marr (probably meant baptized - was it the blueberry wine at work? Very naughty, but forgiving.) p52. 27 Nov 1697 Martha Ashe a base child buried p116. 1 Jul 1787 William s/o William and Margaret Ash of Newport baptized Moe Chaplin's WOOLHAMS of Wem figure next. Moe, there are just too many EDGE folk in the registers you suggested I look in - it would take all day and all night to simply write down one lot of them. Impossible. But look at the little Edge's further below in EDSTASTON - very few but very close to WEM parish. Obviously connected. WEM parish: p587 25 Jan 1774 John base s.o Mary Woolam baptized p600. Ann d/o Thomas and Ann Woolam of Edstaston p612. 12 Apr 1789 Benjamin s/o Richard and Ann Woolam baptized p622. 17 Feb 1793 Thomas s/o Richard Woolham, a carpenter of this town, baptized p630. 8 Nov 1795 William s/o Thomas Wollam of Edstaston and Ann baptized p635. 24 Sept 1797 Jane d/o Thomas Wollam of Edstaston and Ann baptized p638. 14? Oct 1798 Mary d/o Richard Woollam, a sawyer and Ann baptized p640. 21 Jul 1799 Betty [written very large] d/o Richard Wolam and Ann baptized (must have been a beautiful child! Perhaps the minster was an uncle?) p737 30 Dec 1777 Thomas Price and Jane Woolam married. Wit. Timy Parker & Wm. Parker by Lic. p743. 8 Feb 1783 Richard woollam and ann Robinson married. Wit. Wm. Parker & Thos. Howard p751. 1 Jul 1789 John Woolam and Hannah Stephenton (sic) married. Wit. Richard Wycherley and Francis Owen. (Francis Owen seems to be a churchwarden or a verger). p764. 28 May 1802. Benjamin Woolom [or Woolam] and Sarah Austin married. Wit. John Rutter and Francis Owen. p767. 3 Feb 1806 Charles Woolham and Esther Jones married by Edwd. Tucker Steward, rector. Wit. Hugh Woolham and Francis Owen. p771. 29 Dec 1808. William Hayward and Sarah Wollam married. Wit. Thos. Wollam and Francis Owen p792. 14 Apr 1805 Mary d/o Benjamin Wollam, sawyer, and Sarah, baptized EDSTASTON p50. 11 Jun 1779 Benjamin Wolum of Edstaston buried p52. 7 Dec 1783 John s/o Richard and Ann Wollum of Edstaston baptized p53. 26 Sep 1784. Sarah d/o Thomas & Ann Wollum of Edstaston baptized p56. 10 Dec 1786. Catherine - as above p60. 7 Dec 1788 Thomas - as above p61. 17 Apr 1795 Elizabeth - as above - buried (some pages in the volume are out of sync. See below. Blueberry wine again! Someone will try and tell me it was only dark grapejuice as is served at non-conformist communions, BUT certainly not at Anglican parishes!) p62 27 Jan 1796 William - as above - baptized p64. 14 Dec 1798 (sic) Robert - as above p65. 30 Jun 1793 (sic) Mary - as above p66 14 Sept 1794 (sic) Elizabeth - as above p69. 1 Nov 1801 William - as above p71. 31 Jul 1803 Anne d/o Benjamin & Mary Woolam of Aston, baptized p71. 20 May 1810 Thomas s/o Benhjamin and Sarah Woolam of Aston buried p71 Sarah w/o Benjamin Woolam of Aston, buried. (I missed the date, but it will be 1810) EDSTASTON continued p2 30 Jun 1713 Jane Edge buried p39 6 Mar 1763 John s/o John Edge and Elizabeth of Cotton baptized p63. 24 Aug 1797 Elizabeth d/o William and Sarah Edge of Cotton Wood buried Ernie Careswell was looking for CARESWELL families at various places. Ernie is found on <carrenaus@yahoo.com.au>. Ernie is wheelchair bound, so this makes it a delight to present him with this. If I had a bottle of blueberry wine, I'd present that too. PONTESBURY, Salop. I found this very interesting, mainly due to the changing of the name structure. p111. folio 123. 6 Jun 1624. Stephanus f. Roberti et Marie Caswell baptized p121. folio 136. 14 Feb 1629. Margaret Carswell f. Roberti et Marie baptized p125. folio 140. 8 Dec 1632. Guiliemus f. Robertie Casuall baptized p162. folio 172. 5 Apr 1655. Robert Caswell buried p181. folio 188. 20 Dec 1666. Stephanus f. Stephani Caswall nat. (obviously an illegitimate child baptized. "nat" is not shown in the preface to the registers as an explanation as is f = filia, filias, obviously they preferred to keep it a little quiet, but it means the natural born, which in those days really meant base born and definitely belonging to the parent so named in the register.) p185. 8 Jun 1669 Richard Hodgkis et Margareta Caswell nup p191. 6 Oct 1673 Margaretta f. Steeven Ca..... [illegible] nat (but probably would be Caswell, and another base born child. Oh ssshhh!) p224. 29 Mar 1695. Stephenus f. Thomas and Annae Caswell baptized p232 13 Sep 1699. Margareta f. Thomae and Annae Caswell baptized p233. 5 Nov 1699 Gulielmus Williams and Jocosa Casewell nup (Index shows her as Joy) p242. 28 Nov 1704. Margarett Casall pauper buried p248. 16 Dec 1707. Stephen Casewell (the one mentioned above, p191??) buried p318. 14 Jun 1741. Thomas Casewell buried p351. 6 Apr 1755. Mary d/o John & Ann Casewell baptized p356. 5 Oct 1757. Robert - as above p373. 9 Oct 1765. William - as above p393. 12 Jun 1774. Ann Caisdal buried p398. 9 Mar 1777 Mary d/o Thomas & Anne Caswell baptized p409. 5 May 1782. Anne d/o Robert & Anne Caswell baptized p418. 3 Oct 1784. Thos. as above p421. 24 Jul 1785. Thos. s/o thomas and Sarah Casewell baptized p424. 24 Dec 1786. Richd. s/o Robert and Anne Casewell baptized p426. 4 Nov 1787. Willm. s/o Thomas and Sarah Caiswell baptized p431. 7 Jun 1789. John s/o William and Mary Casewell baptized p433. 18 Apr 1790. John s/o Thomas and Sarah Casewell baptized p437. 18 Dec 1791. Rebecca d/o William and Anne Caisewell baptized p444. 9 Mar 1794. Mary d/o Robert and Anne Caiswell baptized p449. 31 Jan 1796. Eleanor d/o Robert and Ann Caiswell baptized p451. 7 Aug 1796. Richd. Caiswell buried p453. 6 Aug 1797. James s/o Thomas and Sarah Caiswell baptized p469. 15 May 1803. Lydia d/o William and Mary Caiswell baptized p474. 18 Jul 1805. Thos. Caiswell buried p474. 28 Nov 1805. Lydia Caiswell buried p479. 5 May 1807. Ann Caiswell buried p486. 18 Mar 1810. Thos. Caiswell buried p506. 2 Aug 1779. William Lewis and Mary Caswell married p507. 22 Jul 1781. Robert Caisdell and Anne Bostock married by Thos. Mills, minister p508. 28 Jul 1783. John Giles and Hannah Casewell married by Thos. Mills, minister p509. 22 Nov 1787. Wm. Casewell and Mary Whitefoot married, by Thos. Mills, minister p510. 28 Apr 1788. William Caiswell and Mary Hotchkis married by Daniel Williams END - no more entries in register up to 1812. Allan Clarke in cold and breezy Canada, probably snowing elephants there at the moment, wanted a marriage at Montford. Alan, you really do need a bottle of blueberry wine to warm you up. Here it is, Alan - lucky guy! I am sure you will treasure this! MONTFORD parish: p44. Richard Botevyle, St. Chad's p. Salop and Martha Clarke, of Downton p. Upton Magna, were married (I'll look for him in St. Chad's tomorrow, Alan. Regret, don't have Upton Magna registers.) A NOTE FOR LEONA GREEN at Springfield, Missouri. Leona, need to be more specific with your Green folk. Can you give me some time data and a district where they were "last seen!", and if the Benjamin, Edward, and Charles are brothers, or what? So far, looking at all the registers gleaned, no matches, but there's always hope! Give me more information! Valerie Downes on <val.downes@btinternet.com> wanted info re. a Thomas DOWNES or DOWNS, Stanton Lacey parish baptized around 1760. You have won the jackpot, Val, as there is only one Thomas in the register. You'd better take a ticket in a lottery, having got this one! STANTON LACEY parish: p160. 6 Jan 1762. Thos. ye s/o John Downs and Bridget Overton baptized . But, you also have a very intrigueing situation, as shown with the following entries: p162. 4 Mar 1764. Elizabeth d/o John Downs and Bridget Overton baptized p164. 31 Aug 1766. George s/o Bridget Overton, illeg. baptized p166. 22 Jan 1769. Edward illeg s/o Bridget Overton and Jno Downs baptized p168. 12 Oct 1770. John Downs buried. Then going back in time to: p151. 14 Mar 1749. Benjamin s/o John Downs & Mary baptized p148. 13 May 1746. John s/o John Downs and Mary baptized p146. 25 Nov 1744. Sarah d/o John Downs and Mary baptized p144. 27 Jun 1742. Henry - as above p141. 27 Jan 1739. Elizabeth - as above p140. John Downs shown as a churchwarden p139. 18 Mar 1737. Mary d/o John Downes and Mary baptized (no baptism for the elder John Downs in this parish) Checking on Bridget Overton, we also find; p157. 7 Jul 1759. Ann ye d/o Bridget Overton, illeg. baptized But no other entries at Stanton Lacey for Bridget Overton, the rosy-cheeked girl. However, at Bitterley, close by, we find: 4 Nov 1732. Bridget, d/o John Overton et Annae, baptized. (Is this the naughty one?) Also in Bitterley registers: p103. 7 Jan 1755. William s/o Thomas Downes and Martha baptized p109. Sam'l Downes shown as churchwarden p193. 9 Jun 1807. Elizabeth, d/o Benjamin Downes and Elizabeth, christened That's all for today. I have the St. Chad, Shrewsbury, registers waiting for me tomorrow first thing. Also am hoping to get hold of all the regs for High Ercall - there are six volumes, so that could be a problem. They may let me have the whole lot at once if I cry and carry on, perhaps, or jump up and down like one of my hairy ancestors. For those who are still interested in the non-conformist and Roman Catholic registers - these are on fiche, but that is more difficult. Much easier for research to get the book down, if they will let me! Also, will be again looking at Ludlow and Myddle within the week, where I ran out of time, for those who missed out. Have a lovely day Graham

Message forwarded by List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Julie list.owner@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections http://www.cadvision.com/traces/cj/cjmlists.htm Fax & Voice Mail (+44) 0870 130 5474 ---- Original Message ----- From: "Dar Hoffman" <hoffman@ticon.net> To: <Wales-Gen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:51 PM Hello, I have been looking for any information on John Caradine that married Mary Pryce in 1826 in Wales. I was wondering if there is any census around the 1831 to 1840 in the area of Kerry, Montgomery Shire, Wales? I think I have found a daughter that was born in Kerry on July 31,1831. I thought maybe I could find a list of their children. I know they had four daughters and one son. Any information would be appreciate. Coleen --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.310 / Virus Database: 171 - Release Date: 2001-19-Dec

At 04:50 PM 28/12/01, Cardi2@aol.com wrote: >Graham: > >I bet the person who thought up the idea that you could only have 3 volumes >was somebody who makes lots of money and does nothing but think of stupid >ideas. Perhaps you should ask the State Library why they changed it and >whose idea it was. At least you would have the satisfaction of knowing. You >couldn't do much about it . . Sometimes the best indexes are the old card >catalog indexes. > >Annie You said it, Annie - works very well. Put the computer catalogue in the rubbish bin, eh? Cheers Graham,

Hello again. It's been a fruitful day, and there was no one to disturb me where I was sitting today in the SLV. Not even Mona Lisa. I remember that tune, must have been about 1949 or so. Mal Hale on <mjhale.art@virgin.net> was looking for any info about Richard Grice christened 22 Feb 1618 and his predecessors at MYDDLE. Well, Mal, the Myddle regs were not indexed, but I managed to scrawl thru them, finding your Richard as listed: p74 22 Feb 1617/18 Bap. Richardi f. Rogeri Gryse de Houlston, Laborer, et Fortunae and: p63 9 Nov 1606 Bap. Marie f. Rogeri Wyste de Houlston, Laborer, et Fortunae So, he has a sister! Sad though, there were no other entries to be found of the Grices etc. at Myddle, though I did find a bonus for myself whilst skimming the pages (no index in these volumes!) and that was a mariage of one of my Mulliniex's from Ellesmere parish: 13 July 1709. Thomas Evans & Jane Mullineaux of Ellesmere, married. Mal, I still have to do the High Ercall registers. Continuing on with the Varnalls/Vernolls, etc., as I kept the Ludlow register at the book desk overnight and retrieved it today, we find: p408. 12 Apr 1664 Elizabeth d/o John Vernalls & Jane baptized p409. 26 Jun 1664 John s/o John Vernalls, Gentl. & Mary baptized p413. 24 Jun 1666 William s/o Mr. John Vernalls & Mary baptized p415 6 Jun 1667 Anne d/o Thomas Vernalls & Anne baptized p417. 24 May 1668 John s/o Thomas Vernalls & Anne baptized p429. Burial. 28 Aug 1661. John s/o John Vernalls p430. 2 Aug 1662. Sarah w/o Mr. John Vernalls buried p445. 22 Apr 1672 Richard Varnalls & Elinor Davis married L. p446. 23 Feb 1673 Thomas Varnalls & Elizabeth Collins married L. p447. 24 Apr 1674 John Giles and Anne Varnalls married L. p451. 1 Dec 1679 Joseph Wall & Anne Vernalls married L. p453. 5 Jan 1683 Thomas Purvin & Elizabeth Varnalls married L. p455. 22 Aug 1669 Thomas s/o Mr. Thomas Varnalls and Anne baptized p459. 1 Jun 1671 William s/o Thomas Varnalls & Anne baptized p464 11 Dec 1673 Jane d/o Thomas Vernal & Anne baptized p469. 31 Aug 1676 Margery d/o Thomas Vernalls & Anne baptized p482. 12 Jan 1682 Marie d/o Thomas Vernalls & Anne baptized p491 4 Dec 1672 John s/o Mr. Thomas Varnolls buried p514. 13 Jan 1684 Anne d/o Mr. Thomas Varnalls buried p516 20 Jun 1685 Anne d/o Edward Vernall & Isabel baptized p518 16 Sep 1685 Mary d/o Mr. Thomas Vernalls buried p520 20 Jan 1685 Ann d/o Thomas Vernals & Ann baptized p535 8 Jul 1688 Mary d/o Thomas Varnals & Anne baptized p548. 18 Feb 1690 Margatt d/o Thomas Vernolls & Anne baptized p576. 19 Dec 1695 Thomas Vernolls buried p579. 1 May 1696 Thomas s/o Anne Vernolls, Wid. buried p580 11 Jul 1696 Mary d/o Anne Vernolls, Wid. buried (Oh, poor woman!! What a distressing time!) p585. 10 May 1697 William Peploe and Anne Vernols, of this parish, married p601. 7 Apr 1700 Edward Chipp and Elizabeth Vernalls of this parish, married p655. 26 Nov 1709 Margery Vernolls buried p691 25 Nov 1715 William Hosier and Anne Vernolls both of this parish, married The end of entries for Vernalls, etc. in this parish. HOSIER: (see above) p699 19 Feb 1716 Jane d/o William Hosier & Anne baptized p708 2 Aug 1718 William s/o William Hosier & Anne baptized p708. 22 Aug 1718 William s/o William Hosier & Anne buried p710. 18 Jan 1718/19 William s/o Anne Hosier, Wid. buried p723. 17 May 1720 Jane d/o Anne Hosier, Wid. buried (and so ends the William Hosier dynasty at Myddle. One could weep!) PEPLOE: p623. 10 Feb 1703 Sarah d/o William Pepply buried. CHIPP: p621. 14 Nov 1701 William s/o Ed: Chippe and Eliz. baptized p742. 6 Feb 1722 Edward Chipp buried p837. 23 Sep 1739 Elizabeth Chipp buried p927 1 Feb 1760 Richard s/o Edward Chipp & Alice baptized p952 8 Jan 1767 Anne w/o Ed. Chipp buried (seems Ann & Alice were hard to distinguish re. writing) p1144 29 Mar 1807 Edward Chipp buried p1177 7 Apr 1758 Edward Chipp and Alice Greenhouse married by Lic. Wit. John Cropper, John Powys (seems to be a churchwarden) p1187 3 Mar 1767 William Griffiths and Phebe Sayce married. Wit. Edward Chipp, Jno Powys. No more entries. Andrew Loughran <qandrewloughran@supanet.com> was looking at Edgmond and Newport for CRADDOCK: I still have to look at Newport, Andrew, but here is Edgmond. Quite interesting. p71. 5 Nov 1721 John the illegitimate child of Eleanor Craddock baptized p71. 25 Nov 1721 Joseph James and Eleanor Craddock of p. Edgmond baptized (one wonders if that is meant to be "married"???) p77. Elizabeth d/o Joseph Craddock and Mabel of Edgmond Marsh baptized (I seem to have missed the date! Probably about 1727) p94. 13 Nov 1763 Elizabeth d/o Thos. and Alice Craddock of the Heath baptized p95. 24 Aug 1766 Joseph s/o Thos. and Alice Craddock of the Heath baptized p138. 20 Jan 1728 Elizabeth d/o Joseph Craddock and Mabel of Edgmond buried p171. 5 Oct 1761 Thomas Craddock and Alice Bromfield married. Wit. Johnathan Powell, John Mansell (churchwarden?) p187. 27 Apr 1789 Joseph Craddock and Joice Bennett. Wit. Ann Powell, Thomas Bennett, Wm. Bolas Carolyn Kelly on <cjkriver@telusplanet.net> was looking for info on Mary Day of Ludlow, birth up to 1806. p1132 16 June 1805 Mary Day d/o William Day & Martha baptized. (There is no marriage for these folk in this parish.) p1081. 14 Jun 1795 Edward s/o William & Martha Day baptized p1085. 12 Jul 1795 Edward s/o William Day & Martha buried p1092. 5 Mar 1797 Joanna d/o William Day & Martha baptized p1104. 8 Nov 1799 George s/o William Day & Martha baptized p1120. 20 Jan 1803 Elizabeth d/o William Day & Martha baptized p1149. 28 Nov 1808 Francis s/o William Day & Martha baptized p1155. Francis s/o William Day & Martha buried p1168 17 Aug 1812 Richard s/o Robert and Richard BARK baptized. (This is the only Bark entry. William Day, the husband of Martha was not baptized at this parish) The marriage of Mary Day to Robert Bark cannot be located here as these registers only go up to 1812. Pam Thornbury is looking for OSLAND folks. Pam is found on <pthorn@ihug.co.nz) She's a Kiwi! BURFORD parish, Diocese of Hereford: p38. 9 Nov 1625. Margarett d/o Oslande & Isabell baptized p45. 16 Mar 1633 Thomas s/o Edward Osland baptized p47 3 Jan 1635 Anne d/o Edward Osland & Anne baptized p50. Feb--1637 Edward s/o Edwad Osland & Anne baptized p55. 10 Sep 1643 Humphry s/o Edward Osland & Jane baptized (or is it meant to be Anne?) p61. 10 Dec 1649 Richard Osland and Sarah Hackluit married p62. 6 Nov 1650 Sarah d/o Richard Osland & Sarah baptized p66. 8 Apr 1664 Morice Osland buried p67. 13 Sep 1665 Mary d/o Richard & Sarah Osland baptized p68. 16 Apr 1667 Tamaries d/o Richard Osland & Sara baptized p72. 18 Jun 1663 or 8 Lucie d/o Richard Osland & Sara baptized p74. 28 May 1669 Sarah Osland buried p77. 17 Oct 1669 Francis Charles of Little Hereford and Jane Osland of Burford married by Banns; by Wm. Bushop. p79. 20 May 1671. Edward s/o Richard Osland & Sarah baptized p91. 28 Apr 1681 Thomas s/o Thomas Osland & Joane, of Whitton, baptized p99. 15 Dec 1686 John s/o Thomas Osland of ye Nash, and Joane baptized p101. 4 Feb 1688 Richard s/o Thomas & Joane Osland baptized p112 20 Feb 1699 Richard Osland of Burford, pauper, buried p115 4 May 1701 Mark Jones of Nash and Jane Ossland married p120 22 Oct 1704 Richard s/o Richard Osland of Tilsop, Milner, and Mary baptized p134. 14 Aug 1718 Margery d/o John Osland & Joan baptized p137. 29 Apr 1720 John Chambers & Jane Osland, by Banns, married p139. 2 Jan 1722 Elizabeth d/o Hannah Oseland sup. base child of James Long baptized p146. 8 May 1730 Samuel Osland and Isabel Derricott by Banns married p147. 10 Oct 1731 Isabell d/o Samuel Osland & Isabell baptized p151. 18 Apri 1736 Richard base s/o Richard Hardman and Jane Oesland baptized p151. 28 May 1736 John Smith and Jane Oseland by Banns married p168. 7 Jan 1755 Timothy s/o John & Mary Osland baptized p170. 26 Dec 1756 Abigall w/o Samuel Oseland buried (seems to be some confusion here between Isabell & Abigail??? Same person, no doubt! Must have ben very bad writing.) p172. 21 Feb 1758 Samuel s/o and Elizabeth d/o John & Mary Oseland baptized p175. 7 May 1761 (also p.227) John Edwards X and Elizabeth Oseland X (their mark) of Tenbury, by Banns married. Wit: Martha Green, Francis Gilly. No more entires re. Osland. EDWARDS: p179. 27 Apr 1764 Ann d/o John & Elizabeth Edwards baptized 24 August 1764 Elizabeth w/o John Edwards buried. (no other entries for this family). CHAMBERS: p139. 30 Sep 1722 Richard s/o John Chambers & Jane baptized (no further entries for this family). SMITH: p152 6 Mar 1736 Ann d/o John & Jane Smith baptized (no further entries for this family) Continuing Osland at: MILSON parish p21. Tho. Georgie was buried Novr. 18th. according to ye Act of Parliarment entituled an act for burying in woolen as appeareth by the testimony of Mathew Gregory, who made oath before Sam. Rushbach, Rector of Coreley wt'in the time limited that the aforesaid was soe buried and this he did in the presence of Elizabeth Rushbach and Tho. Osland WILLEY parish: p5 10 Oct 1694 John s/o William Oseland & Jane baptized p25.. 14 Jun 1692 William Oseland and Jane Heely married NEEN SOLARS parish: p22. 24th Mar 1684 (similar to the above burial in woolen, taken before Robert Goodwin, vicar of Cleobury Mortimer, Elizabeth Goodwin, and Joseph Osland). OLDBURY parish: p11 1 May 1669 John Osland p. of Glaseley and Mary Ible p. of Stotesdon after banns published and duly certified were married the first day of May Ano p'dto. p12 12 May 1672 John Osland buried at Oldbury p54. Richard Osland of Chelmarsh & Ann williams of Sidbury married July--15--1724. That's all folks, until tomorrow. Enjoy! Graham