The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 12 Jun 1895, Page 2. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary, please send me your mailing address. (Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a more diverse group.) "Mrs. Mary Edwards, wife of Thomas L. Edwards of Edwardsville, died yesterday morning of a complication of diseases. She was born in Wales forty-nine years ago and came to Plymouth in 1869, where she resided until two years ago. The deceased has many acquaintances on the West Side. For a number of years she has been an invalid. She is survived by a husband and two children, Dr. Louis Edwards and Miss Mary J. Edwards, both residing at home. The funeral will take place to-morrow afternoon at 2 o'clock with services in the Welsh Baptist Church of Edwardsville. The officiating clergymen will be Dr. J.E. Davies of Plymouth and Rev. Dr. Edwards of Edwardsville. Interment will be made in Forty-Fort Cemetery." Nancy Cook Pasadena, MD, USA

The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 5 Jun 1895, Page 1. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary, please send me your mailing address. (Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a more diverse group.) "John Evans, a well known and respected citizen of this city died at his home, 52 Lincoln street, at 2:30 this morning of chronic stititus, after an illness of about nine weeks. Mr. Evans was born in Neath Abbey, Glamorganshire, South Wales, Feb. 19, 1823. He came to America in 1869, and first lived in Hokendaqua and worked for the Thomas Iron Company. He came to this city in 1874 and has been employed as a machinist in the Lehigh Valley shops since that time. "He is survived by a wife and seven children, all grown, as follows: L.L. Evans of Elizabeth, N.J.; Mrs. R. Kenworthy, Mrs. R.C. Johns, H.E. Evans of Behee & Evans, Miss Florence K. Evans, John R. of the Boston Store, and George L.E. of the RECORD. "Mr. Evans had been a sufferer from the complaint that caused his death for several years. He had a wide circle of friends and acquaintances and the news of his demise will be regretted by all. "Mr. Evans at the time of his death was 72 years, 3 months and 13 days of age. "Funeral announcement will be made later." Nancy Cook Pasadena, MD, USA

ST. MARY'S SHREWSBURY: Interesting. There are three very fat volumes (about three and a half inches thick) of the transcriptions by the Shropshire Parish Register Society for St. Chads, but only one for St. Mary's. Looking for a SHERRY connection. No luck, Lynda over there in blizzardly cold Canada. Sorry. Looking for a connection for PRICHARD and possibly any deVisschers. Nothing found, Patti. Regrets. But for Pat Hughes on <pat@pahughes.fsnet.co.uk> who lives in Hampshire, UK and was wondering where the snow was for Christmas, and is researching POPPITT, here's something: p274 1 Feb 1712 Roberts /o Robert Poppett labr. on ye Old Heath baptized (the minister should have been more careful, because some bleary-eyed folk might interpret labr. as short for labrador!) p283. 5 Jun 1715 Richard s/o Robert Poppit baptized p297. 21 Jan 1720 Thomas s/o Elizabeth Poppitt, wid, buried p709. 29 Apr 1794 John Everal and Mary Pugh married. wit. Robert Poppet Whilst waiting for the St. Mary's volume to come down from the stack, I poked my head into HOLT Denbighshire parish registers and found this: Marriages 1754-1837, as transcribed by those lively folk of the Clwyd FHS. p7. 11 Mar 1767 James CHALLENOR otp X and Margaret Pierce of Fardon X after Banns. Wit. Stephen Chadwick and Thomas Pierce (I wonder what the attraction to Farndon is with these Challenor folk? See my previous message!) p10. 17 Aug 1771 Charles chaloner otp X and Mary Mathews of Farndon X after Banns. Wit. Peter Fellows and Thomas Fellows p12. 16 Nov 1774 John Challenor otp sig (signsChaliner) and Mary Chalenor otp X after Banns. Wit. Richard Parker and James Thomlinson p14. 27 Jan 1778 Thomas Challenor otp sig and Elizabeth Peck otp sig by licence. Wit. John Palin Charles Cheetham Samuel Dod p20. 2 Mar 1785 Thomas Pickering otp sig and Mary Chaloner otp X after Banns. Wit. Timothy Thomas and Thos. Maddock p23. 13 May 1791 Thomas Chaloner singleman otp X and Sarah Meredith otp wid X after Banns. Wit. William Jones James Tomlinson (both ot these obviously from the parish church) p24. 25 Dec 1793 Charles Chaloner (sig Chalinder) singleman otp sig and Deborah Griffiths otp X after Banns. Wit. James Tomlinson and Alice Griffiths p28. 1 Oct 1795 Thomas Smith otp singleman X and Francis (sic) Chaloner otp X after Banns. Wit. Stephen Chadwick and James Tomlinson p37. 29 Dec 1812 Robert Pridden wheelwright otp sig and Mary Chaloner otp sig after Banns. Wit. William Jones and William Barnes X p38. 2 Aug 1813 Samuel Davies minor otp and Betty Chaloner spr sig after Banns. Wit. Mary Chaloner X Wm. Jones (So, was he a minor or a miner?) p43. 22 Oct 1822 George Challoner otp singleman sig and Esther Smith spr. otp after Banns. Wit. Edmund Jones and Mary Challoner On FRIDAY I am looking at two books: a) Australian Shropshire Register, authored by the Australasian Shropshire Association, published 1904-8 (or 1904-12), which appears to be an annual bookform for those years. b) The Post Office Directory of Shropshire, Herefordshire and Gloucestershire, with the city of Bristol by Kelly & Co., Lond, 1879 edition. Anyone wanting specific look-ups from these two publications please email me as soon as possible, as these books are located in an off-site storage facility and have to be specially ordered and then transported into the library. This is a once off, so if you are too late with your email, as they say - tough! Bush fires in New South Wales now sort of under control. Sure is a large patch of burnt earth. Bye for now Graham

Hi everyone Today's gleanings; Lynda Rimas, in what she terms is blizzardly cold Amaranth, Canada, on <Rimas@sympatico,ca> asked me to keep an eye out for a Richard SHERRY born c.1804 at ST. CHAD'S SHREWSBURY. He did a runner, Lynda - no sign of him at all - didn't want anyone to be pouring water on his head at the font and certainly did not want to be married or buried there either. Perhaps the smog and smoke of the city was too much for him! Have to get the geny detectives onto this one. But, there were some interesting developments at St. Chad, nevertheless. Patti Flyn Heimsness on <pattiflynn@lycos.com> was very good at giving her Pritchard details at St. Chad's, and wanted to know if some of the female children of Samuel & Mary Pritchard had survived to marry. I rather enjoyed this one. Patti, here are all the details that will dovetail into what you already have, and you may get a few surprises. By the way, there were "millions" of Pritchards at St. Chad's. Rather exhausting just to look at them! Rather like Smith down south! :)) p1282 6 Jan 1767 Richard s/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard baptized. p1295 10 Aug 1768 Samuel - as above p1309. 22 Jun 1770 William - as above p1327. 14 Jul 1772 Mary - as above - but now the register lists the parents as Mr. Samuel and Mrs. Mary Pritchard. Obviously they had attained some higher level of social significance in the community by that date! Patti tells me that Samuel was a Burgess. p1340. 30 Sept 1774 Ann d/o Samuel & Mary Pritchard baptized (I note you have her listed as Hannah. Depends what records you read, I guess!) p1355. 1 Jul 1776 Edward - as above p1361. 7 Jan 1777 John - as above - (Samuel is now listed as "hatter." A gentlemen's hatter, no doubt! Doesn't that put a spin on things?) p1363. 23 Feb 1777 Maria d/o Samuel and Elean: (sic) Pritchard, baptized THIS IS INTERESTING! p1377. 18 May 1778 Elizabeth d/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard baptized. Born 24th April p1389. Laetitia d/o Samuel & Eleanor, baptized, born 14th. Woops - forgot to write down the date. Must have been, just at that time, the thunder rolled and I looked up through the clear glass roof to see the grey clouds rolling by. :)) Didn't rain, anyway. Shame. Anyway, she doesn't belong to Samuel and Mary, so let's just forget her for the time being. Poor Laetitia. Probably a cousin. p1408. 18 Mar 1781 Martha d/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard, baptized p1413. 13 Jul 1781 Maria d/o Samuel and Eleanor Pritchard of Franl, baptized. (I reckon that this is Frankwell, wherever that might be!) p1420. 20 Jan 1782 Samuel s/o Samuel and Eleanor Pritchard baptized, born 4th p1424. 19 Jun 1782 Frances d/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard baptized, born 18th (Nice to have the birth dates, is it not?) p1446. 7 Jul 1784 Laetitia d/o Samuel and Mary Pritchard baptized, born 25 June p1462. 18 Oct 1785 Sarah - as above, no date of birth given p1488. 21 Oct 1787 Priscilla - as above, born 7th p1551. 25 Oct 1793 Samuel s/o Mr. Samuel and Ann Pritchard (Corn Market) baptized, born 25 Oct. (Son of Samuel born 1768???) p1745. 2 Aug 1811 Samuel Pritchard aged 59 buried (no wonder, after siring all those chidlren! He must have been exhausted!) p1784. 22 Dec 1765 Samuel Pritchard and Mary Harris married by licence p1799. 5 Oct 1773 Samuel Pritchard and Eleanor Brownhill married p1832. 22 Jun 1789 Samuel Pritchard and Elizabeth Hill married p1884. 25 Feb 1805 Samuel Pritchard and Ann Nickless [signs Nicholass] married. Wit. John Hughes and John Saxon jnr. (possibly connected with St. Chad's) No more entries concerning a Samuel Pritchard in the transcribed register. Re. the children p1538. 30 Aug 1792 Lett. Pritchard age 13 buried p1507. 3 Sep 1789 Mary Pritchard buried (could be an elder person, of coursel) p1907. 4 Dec 1810 Francis Pritchard parish of Buttington, Montgomeryshire, and Elizabeth Hughes married. Wit. Thomas Humphrey and Martha Pritchard. (Seems the younger Martha survived at least to this date. What is the connection to Buttington, near Welshpool? Cousin, perhaps?). The other girls obviously married later, or married out of the parish. Transcripts end 1812. Patti was also interested in Mary Harris's mother - a Mary deVisschers and wondered what this latter name was. Well, seems to be Flemish or Dutch as in De Visscher - DeViss(ch)er, and possibly, but not necessarily, Jewish. Eventually comes down most likely to Visser, and then to the common English version of Fisher. So, all you Fisher's out there (apart from those named so because of their occupation) look to Belgium and Holland for your possible earlier heritage! Have fun searching, anyway! Mike McCarthy on <MMccar2080@aol.com> needed some help with an Edward Owen b. 28 Oct 1756, at Albrighton. Not much, I'm afraid, Mike, but these two entries at ALBRIGHTON. p34. 8 Nov 1807 Thomas s/o Edward Owen and Charlotte baptized p36. 28 Jul 1812 Sarah d/o Edward Owen and Charlotte baptized Justine ORME on <ormefam@extra.co.nz> was buttering me up with promises of strawberry jam, etc., but wanted some info re. Edward Vaughan who married an Ann somebody, before 1670 and were resident at Crickheath around that time. Ahh, well, Justine, I figured that very close by was the parish of Kinnerley (a very much used parish for baptisms and marriages) where my BATHER's hailed from, and if one was lucky......... very lucky........ Anyway, you may be lucky by default. Although there was no listing of your Edward and Ann, there were some very interesting entries of Vaughans there, who are probably connected. p1. 16 Jun 1677 Mary ye wife of Rich. Vaughan of Sandford buried p18. 19 Oct 1685 Richard Hanmer and Elizabeth Vaughan married p41. 21 Jul 1694 Sara Vaughan of Terecoyd buried p50. 1 Nov 1697 Mr. thomas Clapham, vicar, and Mrs. Lydia Vaughan married p151. 26 May 1745. ohn s/o John Vaughan baptized p154. 6 Sep 1747 William - as above p155. 5 Oct 1747 Reice Vaughan and Shusanna Tomley married p160. 23 Mar 1751/2 Mary d/o John Vaughan baptized p167. 7 Nov 1754 Sarah w/o John Vaughan of Lower Massbrook buried (Maesbrook) p201. 30 Mar 1773 Susan w/o Rees Vaughan of Maesbrook Ucha buried p201. 21 Apr 1773 Rees Vaughan of Maesbrook Ucha buried p233. 7 Apr 1790 Thomas s/o Thomas Vaughan and Amy (formely Bate) of Argoed, farmer, baptized. Born 13 Jan (Don't you just love this minister, giving all this detail! Perhaps he switched to being a Methodist later on, they were great at detail!) p242. 8 Feb 1795 John s/o Thomas Morris and Catharine (formerly Vaughan) lab., of Maesbrook Ucha, baptized. Born 6th Feb. p264. 16 Oct 1808 Elizabeth d/o Richard Morris and Elizabeth (formerly Vaughan) of Maesbrook, shoemaker, baptized. Born 17 Sep. (Just love this minister!) p268. 21 Apr 1811 Mary d/o Richard Morris and Elizabeth (formerly Vaughan) of Kinnerley, shoemaker, baptized. Born 13 April. p287. 1 Apr 1803 Thomas Vaughan, farmer of Argoed, buried p304. 9 Apr 1786 William Vaughan of Kinnerley, widr, and Elizabeth Bell p. of Middle, wid, married And then, also close by at the KNOCKIN church p7. Mr. Vaughan, curate of Llanyblodwell officiated at burials. (Wonder wot's happening in Llanyblodwell, Justine?) p20. 19 Jan 1743 John Davies of Kinnerley and Elizabeth Vaughan of Felton married p28. 24 Mar 1780 John s/o Richard and Elizabeth Vaughan baptized p56. 9 Oct 1777 Daniel Collins of p. Oswestry and Sarah Vaughan otp married. Wit. Edward Peploe and Richard Jones. MISCELLANEOUS STRAYS FROM CLWYD: Marriages CHALENOR/CHALLINOR Challinor, William of Isycoed, Hanmer, and Elizabeth Murhall of Whitchurch by licence at Whitchurch 23rd May 1767 Chaloner, Thomas of Wrexham and Maria Goodman of Ruthin married by licence at Ruthin 4th Oct 1725. Challenor, John of Eastham and Jane Davies of Garwarden married at Eastham 30th Jan 1790 Chalenor, Edmund, lab., of Holt, ba. and Jane Carr of Farndon, sp., married after Banns at Fardon 24th Nov 1897. Chalenor, George, lab., of Hold and Lydia Gronnow of Frandon married after Banns at Farndon 10th Sep 1889. Chalenor, Samuel, bricksetter, ba., of Holt and Martha Lewis of Fardon, sp., married after Banns at Fardon 27th Sept 1893. Chalenor, Timothy Latham of Farndon (Asylum Attendant) and Harriet Griffiths, sp., of Southsea, Wrexham, married by licence at Fardon 17th Apr 1922. Compliments: the Clwyd Family History Society researchers, typists, collators, readers, printers, etc. Lovely folk. You don't get much better than this! Ta ta Sleep tight Graham (bush fires abating, thank goodness) N.B. I have found numerous errors in the indexes of these Shopshire Parish Registers as transcribed by the Shropshire Parish Register Society which was mainly in the very early 1900s, and at least, as far as I can gather up to 1936, in that - in the index the person by that name is just not there on the page. Blank, blank, so to speak. Again, when discovering persons by random methods, they appear on the page of baptisms, etc. with their parents, but they do NOT appear in the index. (So, we are all human, are we not, and we all make mistakes.) One Priscilla Pritchard, though shown on the transcribed pages ofthe register, does not appear anywhere in the index. Thus, after her recorded baptism, if she died and it was not recorded in the index, how on earth would you find her burial? So, what is the lesson to be learnt from this? As always, go back to the original registers, go back to the microfilms provided by the LDS folk where you will see with your own individual eyes the early papers with the original ink entries. It is all very well to rely upon transcriptions, and transcriptions from transcriptions, but in the end the only real satisfaction you can have, and the only way to prove things out, is to get the original registers in your very own hands. Otherwise, you may be barking up the wrong tree! Personally, I have never accepted anything without having proved it out eventually with the original registers. Remember this also, every time you look at the IGI. I respect it. It is a great and marvellous tool, but it is not perfect. It was put together by humans with the same faults and frailites that you and I have. Let's face it - errors abound in genealogy. Probably more so than you would care, or like, to think.

Hello, all ... I have just joined this list and would like to cast my bread upon the waters, so to speak ... I am trying to trace my g-g-grandfather's brother, George LLOYD. (I've accounted for the vitals on my g-g-grandfather, Evan LLOYD, b. ca. 1799, although any links/info there would be deeply appreciated!!) Both brothers were born in Llanelli Parish in Breconshire, and moved to Aberystruth Parish in Monmouthshire as children. Their parents were Evan LLOYD and Elizabeth LEWIS. Evan married Mary SMITH (and his older sister, Ann, married Benjamin SMITH, who was possibly Mary's brother). I can't find a marriage or burial record for George, the fourth child, so don't know where he ended up. Evan lived in Nantyglo and Cwm Celyn before emigrating to Pennsylvania in 1841. The family men were all miners. Other siblings were: Thomas LEWIS/LLOYD (base born in 1795), who married Anne THOMAS. Richard LLOYD, (b? -- probably the 5th child) married Mary GILBERT, John LLOYD, (b 1806), married ?? Mary LLOYD, b. 1808, married Denis JAMES and Seth LLOYD, b. 1810, married?? If anybody knows anything about the fates of George, John or Seth, I would be very grateful. Right now, I'm concentrating on George. Thank you!! Beth in Los Angeles, CA, USA

Hi there. Being new to this list, I thought I would forward this plea - if you've seen it elsewhere, my apologies. I am stuck !! Perhaps now, some of these names will ring a bell somewhere. All my descendants appear to stem from the southern part of Pembrokeshire - Monkton, St Twynnells generally - and to date I can see no association with any other areas nor across the pond. My Gt Gt Grandfather was:- Joseph RICHARDS b.1793 m. 1821 to Elizabeth ? b.1790 (Descendants #) His siblings were:- Henry RICHARDS b.1801 m. Jane ? b.1808 James RICHARDS b.1802 m. 7/1/1828 to Jane GRIFFITHS Thomas RICHARDS b.1804 m. Hannah ? (Descendants ##) William RICHARDS b.1808 m. 1834 to Abra ? (Descendants ###) Mary RICHARDS b.1810 m. 1834 to William DAVIS Jane RICHARDS b. 1818 Elizabeth RICHARDS b. 1819 m. 26/3/1850 to William GRIFFITHS Matha RICHARDS b. 1820 m. 13/11/1847 to Thomas SMITH John RICHARDS b.1821 m. Jane ? (Descendants ####) # Joseph & Elizabeth had Thomas b.24/2/1822, Francis b.28/7/1824 & who m. 29/9/1846 Matha Lloyd. Martin b. 28/12/1828 d.24/12/1855. John b.15/4/1831 & who m. Martha ? ## Thomas & Hannah had a son Henry b. 26/8/1834 ### William & Abra had a son Benjamin b.10/3/1835 #### John & Jane had 3 sons, George b. May 1835, John b. 21/2/1835, James b.7/10/1838 We are very anxious to find descendants of any of the above and add to our family of cousins. John Richards. St Albans UK Researching RICHARDS & DUGGAN (Pembs and district) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 02/01/02

Hi all, another successful day for some, for others, well...... keep in there....... I was quite excited by this one. Ann from New Hampshire, U.S.A., is looking for CHALLENDER/CHALLINOR and associations and wondered if I could look in GRESFORD, Denbighshire, for her. I failed to find your Edward Challender there, Ann, but there are very interesting associations there which I think you should record and think about. The Gresford regs are transcriptions from those lovely folk in the Clwyd Family History Society. Let's give them a clap! Cheers! Three cheers! Ann is to be located on <NAAFRR@peoplepc.com> GRESFORD There was a marriage of Thomas Challinor otp who signed, banns, and Catherine Morgan X, otp. Wit. John Birch and Robt' Evans. I neglected to put the date down, but will retrieve it during the coming week. We shall see more of this Thomas. p41. 2 Mar 1794 Geoge Challender s/o Edward, of Gresford baptized p67. Mary Challender d/o Samuel and Catherine of Gresford baptized p101. 22 April 1794 George Challenor s/o Edward of Gresford buried p119. 27 Aug 1809. Joseph Challinor, miller, the Rosset Mills, Rosset buried (My grandfather, Frederick Andrew Price, used to mill at the Rosset Mills when he was young and studying to be a flour milling engineer - I expect it was a way of earning money to help with his studies. His father was Frederick Price of the Gresford Mills. Ann, I have some info and photos of Rossett, which I shall send to you off list.) p120. 19 Aug 1781 Taylor (Challenor). Jane base Jno Chalenor and Mary Taylor baptized Vols 1,2,3 Vol 3. p. 71. 22 Aug 1761 Sarah Challenor d/o Thomas, pauper, Gresford baptized p64. 8 Sep 1754 Mary Challenor d/o Thomas of Gresford baptized p63. 28 Dec 1752 Mary - as above p56. 22 Jan 1744 Anne Chalenor of Gresford buried p56. 17 Feb 1744 Challenor [blank] s/o Thomas pauper of Gresford buried p55. Elizabeth Chalenor pauper of Gresford buried p26. 29 Aug 1762 John s/o Thomas Chalenor of Gresford buried p24. 26 Apr 1761 Sarah - as above p22. 16 Dec 1759 Mary - as above p19. 21 Dec 1756 Elizabeth - as above p16. 23 May 1754 Mary Chalenor of Gresford pauper buried p15. 24 Dec 1752 Mary Chalenor Gresford buried p9. 12 Apr 1747 Mary d/o William Chalenor of Marford buried (Marford is just out of Gresford, between Gresford and Rossett. You can easily walk to both from Gresford) Turning my thoughts to Wrexham, nearby, where I considered there would be some more Challinors/Challenders, this is what I found: WREXHAM: Vol 14(3) p43. 9 Jul 1810. Marriage by banns Thomas Smith (miner) X male, ba, and Susannah Chalenor botp (signs Susana Chaloner). Wit. Samuel Davies and Elizabeth Chaloner p29. 28 Dec 1807. Samuel Povey (shoemaker) X otp widr and Mary Davies wid X. Wit. Catherine Chalenor X Thos. Bayley p27. 1 Sep 1807 William Chaloner (signs Challonar) otp and Dorothy Edwards X. Witnesses. Thomas Roberts X and Margaret Williams X p19. 30 Dec 1805 Joseph Chaloner otp -- and Sarah Phenix X ---. Wit. Elizabeth Lloyd and James Jomes (sic) Vol 14(2) p62. 31 Dec 1793 John Chalinder X otp and Mary Whitehall X otp. Wit. John Parry and Rich'd Meeson p55. 29 Apr 1791 Thomas Chaloner X and Mary Fishder X botp. Wit. Charles Robertson and Richard Meeson (Richard Meeson is obviously a churchwarden or a verger - signs lots of marriages) p43. 1 Feb 1787 Robert Davies X otp and Elizabeth Chaloner otp. Wit. John Davies and Rich'd Meeson Vol14(1) p26. 1 Feb 1765 Thomas Chaloner (miller) X otp and Catharine Lancelot X otp. Wit. John Chaloner and John Edwards p24. 27 Jul 1764. John Chaloner otp ba and Ellinor Burton otp sp. Wit. Tho's Burton jnr. and John Edwards (John Edwards possible churchwarden, signs some marriages) One has to consider that perhaps some of the Challender/Challinor folk were registered with Christ Church at Rossett, BUT Christ Church does not appear on Phillimore's Atlas and Index of Parishes, nor does it appear on he Parish Locater, which is not surprising as it was probably an offshoot of Gresford, or was it? Anyone out there with local knowledge of Christ Church??? I need it also, for my great-grandmother, Margaret Anne Rogers, nee Jones, who died 16th Nov 1870, buried 17th at Christ Church, and for a possible baptism of her husband's second wife, Margaret Jones born Marford Hoseley 18 Aug 1847. David Jenkins on <davesue@purplepeople.fsnet.co.uk> needed some info concerning a Priscilla SIMON and a Thomas BLYTHIN aged 21 in 1867 in the MOLD area. No luck with Thomas Blythin, David, none to be found there. We have only recently received further Clwyd FHS transcriptions of MOLD, but they finsih here at 1851. Also no sign of a baptism of a Priscilla Simon, going back to the 1820s. There is a family having children during the 1820s-30s father Josiah Simon and mother Priscilla. It is possible that this is the family and that the child Priscilla was baptized somewhere else. Sorry David. If you want the details of this SIMON family I can get them for you easily, as they are on the shelves and not hidden away in the stack. CADWALLADER/CADAWALLADER LUDLOW parish: Fred Ainsworth on <Ainsworth706@aol.com> is the main one interested. Beverley on <MRC@dunroamen.freeserve.co.uk> emailed me with a mentione that she had just dound aCadwallader connection, John Cadwallader 47 married an ancester of hers, an Eliza Farrall a widow at Coton Hill (the Farall rings a bell!) at St. Julians Shrewsbury, but no date. Mandy Buchanan on <mysticmandy_gingerwitch@hotmail.com> We do hope you are mystic, Mandy, we could all do with some of that in our research, and stir up a little bit of ginger every day - very good for the digestion! Well, Mandy very kindly came forward with another version of Cadwallader - Wallet! I expect that is correct, take the Cad out of Cadwallader and the er off the end and all you have left is Wallad, i.e. Wallet. There were no Wallat/Wallets in Ludlow however. I wonder if the Cadwallader was originally ap wallader? Someone might like to do some homework on that. Anyway, here are all the Cadallader's in Ludlow, Fred, but no mention of a Charlotte Barclay. p63. 9 Sep 1567 John Cadwallader buried p69. 19 Oct 1572 Ann Cadwallader buried p72. 15Sep 1574 Symon Cadwallader buried p81. 3 May 1579 Ann d/o Richard Cadwallader buried p344. 2 Jan 1629 John Cadwallader buried p361. 5 Dec 1637 Richard ap Cadwallader buried (big gap here between Cadwalladers) p816. 13 May 1735 Richd. Williams of this parish and Priscilla Cadwallader of p. Bishop's Castle married p822. 28 Jul 1736 Ja. Cadwallader and Cath. Cadwallader both of p. Bettws married p877. 2 Mar 1747 Priscilla d.o Thos. Cadwallader and Mary baptized, buried 26 Apr 1748 p882. 18 Feb 1754 Ed. Edwards and Martha Cadwallader both of this parish married p893. 16 Sep 1753 Mary d/o Jno Cadwallader and Mary baptized p911. 2 Mar 2 Mar 1756 Joyce d.o Jno Cadwallader and Mary baptized p923. 3 Sep 1758 Mary w/o Jno Cadwallader buried p927. 10 Jan 1760 Elizabeth d/o Thomas Cadwallader and Mary baptized p933. 31 May 1761 Elizabeth - as above - buried p934 17 Jun 1762 Thomas s/o Thomas Cadwallader and Mary baptized p942. 16 Oct 1764 Jno - as above p1054. 2 Apr 1790 Mary d/o Thomas and Elizabeth Cadwallader baptized p1110. 13 Apr 1800 Thomas Cadwallader buried p1111 9 Jan 1801 Thomas s/o Thomas and Charlotte Cadwallader baptized p1117 15 Aug 1802 Richard - as above p1126. 24 Jan 1804 Ann - as above p1129. 17 Jul 1804 Mary Cadwallader, wid, buried p1137. 3 May 1806 William s/o Thomas Cadwallader and Charlotte baptized p1169. 7 Nov 1812 Mary base child of Martha Cadwallader baptized p1173. 6 Mar 1765 Thomas Cadwallader [signs Cadwaletter] and Mary Wheeler married. Wit. William Collins and Jno Powys p1195. 9 Nov 1773 Richard Baldwyn and Mary Cadwallader by licence, and consent of parents p1231. 27 Jun 1805 William Evans and Margaret Green by licence. Wit. Elizabeth Green and Thomas Cadwallader Also, page 498. 28 Jan 1675 Jane Jones alias Cadwallader wid, buried Further LUDLOW transcriptions: Della PEARSON on <dellapearson@telus.net> was looking for PAGE. Rather too many to transcribe, Della, but herewith some which may be of use. p1228. 14 July 1803 Benjamin Butcher and Elizabeth Evans married. Wit. Frans. PAGE [?] and Sarah Edwards p1144. 6 Jan 1807 Richard s/o Francis Page buried p1136. 13 Apr 1806 Richard s/o Francis Page and Easter baptized p738. 4 Jul 1722 Francis Page and Anne MANTLE both p. of Stoke St. Milborough married (see Stoke St. Milborough records below) STOKE ST. MILBOROUGH PAGE p23. 1 May 1720 John Brookes and Mary Page married p25. 27 Apr 1736 (sic) John Beddus and Eleanor Page married p36. 31 May 1726 Anne d/o Francis Page and Anne baptized p37. 21 Mar 1728 Elizabeth, as above p58. 12 Jun 1731 Anne w/o Francis Page buried p60. 7 Feb 1748 Samuel Tayler and Ann Page married p93. 9 Dec 1779 William s/o Sarah Page base baptized p119. 26 Nov 1780 Francis Smith p. Holdgate and Ann Page lic by Jno Edwards, curate. Wit Susanna Smyth and Samuel Tayler I have a line drawing of Stoke St. Milborough as it was in 1787. If anyone wants a copy let me know and I'll send it off-list. Anne JAMES on <Pasttimes99@aol.com> wanted to know if there were any James in Ludlow. Oh, were there - were there indeed! Hundreds, it seems. Too many to transcribe, I'm afraid, Anne. Checked again at LUDOW for Carolyn KELLY in cold Canada for her Mary DAY and Robert BARK family. No go, I'm afraid, Carolyn John Denny is looking for DEVEY folk at LUDLOW. Found one, and only one, John, but there were two entries at STOKE S. MILBOROUGH. LUDLOW: p192. 12 Dec 1770. The Revd. Mr. William Devey p. of Bitterley and Martha Walker by licence married, with consent of parents. Wit. Elizabeth Rock and James Walker STOKE ST. MILBOROUGH: p116. 7 1768. Marriages performed by J. Devey of Bitterley p. 116. 1769. Mariages performed by W. Devey, curate, signs up to 1775. John Denny can be found on <john.denney@ntlworld.com> Continuing LUDLOW Rita Bailey was looking for an Elizabeth Bailey around 1883. Sorry, Rita, these books conclude 1812. Out of range. There were Bailey folk, all right - far too many of them!!! Rita can be located on Greenways@aol.com Clifford BLAZER on <blazer@talihina.k12.ok.us> needs info on Edward BOWEN and his wife Sarah CARTER. You forgot to put any dates in, Cliff, but really this is an ant's next, there are about fifty entries for Bowen at Ludlow and stacks of Edward Bowens also, but no match in a marriage of an Edward and Sarah. Still here's something. p1092. 7 May 1797 Sarah d/o Edward Carter and Sarah baptized Is this a possibility? None in Stoke St. Milborough nearby, nor in Neen Savage, also close by. Still in LUDLOW, wouldn't you guess! Jan MCBETH all the way from New Zealand (apparently getting the smoke from New South Wales bush fires) is dying for WOOF(E) folks in Ludlow. Jan is found on <janmcb@xtra.co.nz>. Well, woof, woof, look at this! p406. 12 Oct 1662 Martha d/o Richard and Alice Wolfe baptized p410. 1 Jan 1664 Thomas - as above p413. 1 Nov 1666 Sarah - as above - but spelt Woolfe p417. 7 Jun 1668 Charles - as above p466. 11 Apr 1675 Elizabeth d/o John Woofe and Joane p469. 16 Jan 1676 John, as above p474. 28 Apr 1678 Sarah, as above p479. 13 Apr 1681 Martha, as above p483. 1 May 1683 William, as above p502. 6 May 1678 Elizabeth w/o John Woof buried (sic) p511. 7 Nov 1683 William s/o John Woof buried p577. 13 Jan 1695 Thomas Woffe and Hester James of Cleobury Mortimer parish married STOKE ST. MILBOROUGH parish: (continuing on from LUDLOW) WOOF: p66. 6 Oct 1754 Anne d/o Thomas Woof and Mary baptized p69. 12 Aug 1759 Susan - as above p70. 28 Aug 1759 Susan - as above buried p74. 2 Sep 1764 Thos. - as above - baptized p79 20 Jul 1767 Thos - as above - buried p91. 6 Aug 1806. Thos. Woof buried MANTLE: p23. 1 Sep 1715 John Mantle and Anne Beevin married p24. 30 Apr 1733 (sic) John Mantle and Margaret Harley married p32. 21 Oct 1716 Thomas s/o John Mantle and aAnne baptized p33. 18 Jan 1718. William - as above p35. 3 Apr 1724 John - as above p36. 1 Nov 1727 Alice - as above p37. 15 Sep 1728 George s/o George Mantle and Hannah baptized p38. 29 Apr 1733 George s/o John and Anne Mantle baptized p41. 29 Aug 1736 John - as above p58. 30 Jan 1730 (sic) John s/o John and Anne Mantle buried p59. 2 Jan 1736 William - as above - buried p61. 23 Dec 1776 (sic) Timmothy s/o John Mantle and Mary (sic) baptized p67 23 Dec 1756 Frans. Abberley and Mary Mantle married p76. 30 Apr 1773 George s/o John and Mary Mantle baptized p78. 3 Sep 1762 John Mantle buried p84. 2 Jun 1784 Ann Mantle buried p89. 21 Oct 1800 Thomas Mantle buried p91. 25 Jun 1808 Martha Mantle buried p92. 11 Aug 1777 Timothy s/o John & Mary Mantle baptized p93. 21 Jun 1779 Richard - as above p94. 29 Aug 1781 Elizabeth - as above p106. 20 Sep 1781 Elizabeth d/o Jno and Mary Mantle baptized (sic) p118. 11 Feb 1777 George Mantle and Martha Bourton married by Jno Edwards, curate. Wit. William Turley, Elizabeth Turley and Samuel Taylor. The "gypsy" folk who surrounded Eric Jervis's ggg-grandmother Charlotte Wlliams, who married Evans Jones an earthenware dealer in MYDDLE 1806, seem to have spirited her away. She was not baptized at Myddle, Eric. No other useful records that I could find. I went back to 1720. Myddle is not indexed. If someone locates his ggg-grandmother, Eric is to be found on <eric@dol-llys.freeserve.co.uk> David ALLCOCK on <cda@xcelco.on.ca> wanted ALCOCK folk marrying FIRMSTONE, SHEPHERD, HANDY AND LLOYD of Little Wenlock and Wellington. Sorry David, we don't have either of those regs. Gloria SIMONS-KRISKE of Scottsdale, Az., on <Cootie59@aol.com> need some info on a James Trow, 14Feb 1767, son of John and Mary, possible marriage 1761 to Mary Stokes. The following may be useful to you: p122. 6 Mar 1763. Thomas s/o Thomas and Mary Trow baptized p126 12 Feb 1769 Mary d/o John and Mary Trow baptized p129. 30 Jan 1772. Benjamin - as above p180. Marriage by banns. 11 May 1762 21 May 1762 (sic. there were a series of marriages with only the two dates for banns given) John Trow and Mary Stokes. Looking for a baptism of Mary Stokes, I found p92. 21 Feb 1731 William s/o William Stokes and Margaret baptized p95. 21 Apr 1735 Mary d/o William Stokes and Margaret baptized (the only one) p98. 16 Oct 1731 John - as above p100. 25 Jan 1740 Samuel - as above p122 7 Nov 1762 William Stokes buried p128. 4 Aug 1770 Margaret Stokes buried MISCELLANEOUS from the parish of KINLET BEBB: p33. 8 Jan 1864 Joyce Bebb of NEEN SAVAGE buried p72. 9 Oct 1714 John Bebb of BAVENEY buried PAGE: p23 5 May 1674 Richard Page and Elizabeth Wood married p81. 13 May 1722 Richard Page of Morvield and Mary Hazeldine otp married by banns p122. 17 Mar 1763 Sarah Page buried Phew!!! That's a lot of work! See you later Have a lovely day, everyone and take it easy with the 1901 census. I think I'll wait till March, now! Less crowded. Bye Graham

HI ALL. Huh they at Channel 5 think they can worm their way out of putting a stop on the Teletext. The letter i got back was all matter of fact......... Your Reference: DO/50628/AMS (Please quote this reference in all furthercorrespondence) Thank you for your recent e-mail. 5 TEXT ceased to exist on the 31st December. Unfortunately, as the service was operating at a loss, both Channel 5 and BSKYB decided to cancel the licence. The licence has been put up for tender by the ITC (Independent Television Commission) and it is expected that the new licence will be awarded by April 2002 at the latest. Rest assured our business plans for 2002 are looking very successful, nevertheless we appreciate your concern. Please note that the contact details for the Channel 5 Duty Office are as follows: Telephone: 0845 7 05 05 05 Text telephone for use by deaf people: 0845 7 41 37 87 E-mail: dutyoffice@channel5.co.uk Fax: 020 7550 5678 And the Channel 5 website can now be found at: www.channel5.co.uk Thank you for your interest in Channel 5. Yours sincerely DUTY OFFICER This letter was sent to all that have written,so far. But little old me has gone one better and been nosing around...as one does and got hold of the email site of the big high and mighties that sit at the big tables and feed there fat cat pockets. So the address to moan and gripe at is; The address shown on the sky screen production@bskyb.com I have also come across this phone number still for the duty office but a number he ommitted to tell me...its; Channel 5 Duty Officer TEL: 020-7550-5555 My idea at present is to, to bombard these three with complaints that Tree Tops Genealogy service has been removed from Channel 5 Text. We, the supporters of Tree Tops should therefore send in as many messages to Tree Tops in order to make each weeks selection varied so that the powers that be can see what they are missing out on. This might help them realise that Genelogy should be taken more seriously. I did find out that you can still get Treetops and We'll meet again via sky,not sure if this is via cable in the U.K. or just by dish....If any of you can get this then please contact me off list. To contact Treetops for your messages then email; tree.tops@virgin.net I would like suggestions of how to try and get this important link back on....I know that it cannot be obtained in Wales anymore,and thats not fair!!! Kaz.

Hi folks Bush fires are running out of control in New South Wales - many homes burnt to the ground, animals lost, worst for over 20 years in New South wales. Thousand of people were trapped along beach resorts. Can you imagine that - the fires coming towards you and nowhere to go but into the sea! Horrific. The thousands of firefighters are doing an amazing job, but it goes to prove that no one is every really ready for this kind of thing. One big problem for Australia is that most of the trees are eucalyptus, and eucalyptus burns like a nightmare gone wrong. I know that you are all thinking and praying for the folk here who are in danger. Thanks so much for that. Our State of Victoria firefighters have gone to NSW to help out. God bless them. And so to today's revelations in genealogy. Winding down. Fred AINSWORTH, a new chum on the Salop list, on <Ainsworth706@aol.com> was interested in a Thomas and Charlotte (BARCLAY) CADAWALLADER in Ludlow and environs. I had a look at the transcriptions of the register, Fred, and found there were indeed some Cadawallader folk at Ludlow parish, but unfortunately, no Charlotte Barclay as such. Still, I have reserved these "registers" for Sunday morning, so will be copying down all the Cadawallader's for you. At least, that will be something. Like you said "....to locate my Charlotte Barclay, a formidable lady methinks." If anyone else needs some LUDLOW lookups, now is the time to ask, before Sunday morning Australian eastern standard time!!!! No long lists, though, please. Jan Jones of Winnepeg, Canada, talking to frosty the snowman wanted Susan/Susannah PASSEY around 1810-15 in the Little Hereford area. Also Edward COLTON, and Ellen Ann KNIGHT near Westbury. You can eliminate these parishes from your search, Jan, as I looked at these and could find nothing of any of them: Cleobury Mortimer, Willey, Burford, Neen Solars, Milson, Church Preen, Oldbury, and Badger, the last seven of these places being in the one volume - made things easier. They are also not to be found in Westbury. You sure have a search on your hands here! Don't give up. Jan is found on <jjones@autobahn.mb.ca> I notice a new starter on the Salop list by name of Colin Hill on <ichill@BTopenworld.com> searching for various HODGKISS folk mainly in Coreley, Salop. Corely is close to Cleobury Mortimer, so checked that out - none. You can also cross off the above-mentioned churches from your list, Colin, as they were not in any of these either. Very strange, this one. You'd think at least some of the children would have been baptized or married (or even buried) in nearby churches, but obviously not. Must have all been baptized, etc. at Coreley. We don't have the Coreley regs here, unfortunately. It was worth a try with the other churches, though. Here's something, hopefully of use: Bernard Mantell in Hampshire, UK, on <bernard@bmantell.freeserve.co.uk> was looking for his gg-grandfather James Mantel (or Mantle) alleged in the 1851 census to have been born in 1771 at Cleobury Mortimer. Well, considering that they rounded the ages of adults in the 1841 census, and may have slipped up a little in the 1851 census, Bernard, we may perhaps have found your James, though not in Cleobury, but possibly in Hopton Wafers just down the road. CLEOBURY MORTIMER: p.277 21 Jan 1810 James s/o John and Hannah Mantle baptized p323. 20 Oct 1811 James Mantle an infant buried No other references to a James Mantle HOPTON WAFERS p11. 12 Feb 1682 Fraunces Mantle buried p29. 11 Jul 1725 Elizabeth d/o Tho. and Eliz. Mantle baptized p31. 28 Dec 1727 John s/o Tho. and Eliz. Mantle baptized p34. 29 Jun 1734 Benjamin s/o Thos. Mantle and Elizabeth baptized p43. 29 May 1756 George Mantel and Eliz. Noncott married p44. 14 May 1758 Elizabeth Mantle buried p49. 20 Jul 1766 Geo. s/o George Mantle and ann baptized p50. 2 Oct 1768 Ann d/o George Mantle and [blank] his wife, baptized p53. 29 Jul 1772 Mary d/o Geo. Mantle and Ann baptized p54. 18 Mar 1774 James s/o Benjamin Mantle and [blank] his wife baptized p55. 5 May 1776 Phillip s/o Philip Mantle and Leticia baptized p55. 11 Jun 1776 Tho. s/o George Mantle and Ann baptized p81. 29 Oct 1809 James s/o Thomas and Mary Mantel: r. Apr 26. b. 21 Apr. (This vicar has a strange way of doing things. There is no reference in the preface to what "r" means, but I imagine it all goes this way. The first date is the date of baptism, the second is when he put it in the register, and the third is the date the child was born.) p86. 29 Oct 1809 James s/o Thomas and Mary Mantle; r. 22 Dec, b. 24 Nov (something wrong here, probably should be Oct!) p88. 26 Apr 1812 Mary d/o Thomas & Mary Mantel; r. Apr 26. b. 21 Apr p96. 18 Dec 1812. James Mantell 3 buried r. 20 Dec There were a few MANTLE folk at BURFORD, close by: p99. 20 Oct 1686 William reputed s/o George Mantle and elionor Stary baptized p107. (William Mantle shown as a churchwarden for the year 1694) p150. 7 Sep 1735 Ann d/o John and Ann Mantle baptized p152. 15 Dec 1736 Susan d/o Edward Mantle buried p180. Jeffry Wood and Hannah Mantle married by lic. p185. 16 Jul 1770 Edward Mantle buried p188. James Mantle and Sarah Taylor married by banns p190. 10 Dec 1775. Widow Mantle buried p216. 16 Dec 1804 Susanna d/o Edward and Mary Mantle baptized p227. 9 Sep 1761 Nathaniel Lloyd X p. of Greet amd Mary Smith X married. Wit. George Careloss X and Ann Mantle X p236 . 2 May 1783. Edward Harris and Sarah Withers married by lic. Wit. Elizabeth Mantle and John Smith p237. 15 May 1783 Richard Jennings, widr, and Elizabeth Hill married by licence. Wit. Elizth Mantle p237. 13 Apr 1784 John Powell (farmer) and Elizh Mantle married by licence. John Green L.L.D. Wit: Elizabeth Evans and Thos. Powell MISCELLANEOUS: DICKIN at HOPTON WAFERS p3. 10 Feb 1663 Ffrancis Dickens an infant buried p9. 16 Dec 1678 John Dickens buried p14. 10 Nov 1693 Ann w/o John Dickens buried p17. 11 Jan 1701 John Dickings p. of Cleobury Mortimer, upon request, buried VAUGHAN at WILLEY p5. 5 Nov 1692 Joane d/o Richard Vaughan and Mary baptized p20. 18 Jan 1805 Mary d/o Samuel and Sophie Vaughan baptized p22. 29 Nov 1807 Elizabeth - as above p24. 26 May 1811 Edward - as above BEBB at WILLEY p31. 31 Dec 1789 Joseph Bebb p. of Linley, lab. and Elizabeth Gethyn, sp., married. Wit. Ed. Roden and John Hare VAUGHAN at BADGER p8. 1 May 1700 Humphrey Vaughan of p'is of Worfeild and Mary Carefull of this parish married p22. 5 Jul 1801 John Vaughan and Elizabeth Wall both of this parish married by banns. Wit. Eliz. Swann and Thomas Booth p27. John Vaughan and Elizabeth Wall [not signed by the parties but by Mary Blizzard. Wit. John Toy and Mary Wynne p29. 22 Feb 1835 John Sadler b., and Elizabeth Vaughan sp., by licence. Wit. John Vaughan and Mary Meredith Toodle-oo for now Graham

I have been looking for info on my 4 ggparents they were both born in Wales I am not sure where they both have a very common name in Wales even for the 1700 William Davies born in Wales 1776-1777 Sarah Evans Wales 1773 I do know they married in Wales or england 1798 an came to America shortly there after 1799-1800 I have gone through several documents in Pa where they settled none saying where in Wales they were from I do have a letter from there son James to there Atty. Asking about selling the property in Wales that was left to William Brother who was missing in the war for 15 years they were colecting rent on the Property in Wales The letter was written in 1843 about the Laywer going to wales an trying to sell the house and land Farm I would guess as they were all farmers an William Davies being to old to make the trip agian to Wales Can anyone give me anymore clues as to were to find these two missing reletives of mine of course I do not have a name for William Davies brother The letter just states that he had one in Wales with a family Farm Thanks Dotty Davis

Dear List, I would lkike to thank Graham Price and Margaret Harvey for the help they gave me, in finding my Jones ancestors. I was so excited yesterday I printed it off & reread it a dozen times.I think it's them. On my map Castell Caereinion is 5 miles north of Berriew, both on Crop Lane, where John Jones moved his family between Margaret & Williams birth. There is a town about 1 mile east of Berriew called Brooks, that maybe the key to the name Brooklane farm, maybe his father only worked there. He named his first farm in Cloverdale BC. Can. Brooklane farm, we lived next door. On my map I found Chirbury, Chirbury rd, Middleton & Churchstoke but not Todlith .In all they take up about a 20 mile area.I couldn'd find IRL in my abbreviations book. What relationship is Ann to John and William Chilton to Elizabeth?. Mother of John and brother to Elizabeth.?.What religion where they? I was baptized Anglican Jane Elizabeth. William Chilton Jones Jr 1887 built a church on his property, we wen! t there as the rest of the small community most of the time. William Chilton b.1847 and 2 other pioneers paid $100 for some land and put together a school of sorts in 1899.We had a reunion in 1999 to celebrate 100 years at East Kensinton School. Out of the reunion came a book with a whole history of the area.It would be interesting to access the 1861 census and see the names of any other children they had.John Henry Oliver Paul or Pryce LLewellen,or go back to 1841 to find Johnns parentage.They had williams & Evans cousins , I don't know what time frame.If any would lookup these censuses I would be grateful. Do people whose children emmigrate wonder about the families created on this side of the ocean I could be of help in that area. Thankyou everso much. Jane in BC. Can harold&jane@telus.net

After 48 hours, I still await any response at all let alone an explanation. John Richards. (St Albans UK) Searching RICHARDS & DUGGAN (Pembs) DFHS 2715 RICHARDS, WIFFEN, DAY (London & Middx.) WIFFEN & NORRIS (Stock, Essex) ----- Original Message ----- From: "kaz" <kazig@ntlworld.com> To: <WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: [WALES-GEN] TELETEXT SERVICE FOR FAMILY RESEARCH : Hi All. : For any of you like me who use CHANNEL 5 Teletext service for finding : rellies via TREETOPS and WE'LL MEET AGAIN pages 488 and 489 they who : think : they know best at Teletext for some reason have decided to shut the whole : system down.....Why? They don't tell us why. Feeling really p****d off i : found the email address, if any of you feel like having a good old : moan[donemine]then here it is. : dutyoffice@channel5.co.uk : : It's about time we stood up to these companies, they think they can do : what : they want,when they want and how they want,with no thought to us!!! : Feeling really miffed, fed up and finnished moaning now![I think?] : Kaz. : Please Pleas spread the word!!!!!! : : : ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== : Have you used Tree Tops? : The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE : http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops : : ============================== : To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: : http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 : : --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.311 / Virus Database: 172 - Release Date: 27/12/01

Hi Mike, Congratulation on your find, your patience was rewarded. I have the 1881 Census on CD Rom just ask if you want me to look up John for you. Brymbo is an area of Wrexham or maybe a village in its own right. Wrexham is a large town in the old county of Denbighshire but now in Clwyd. It is not far from the Welsh border with Cheshire. Don't apologize for asking questions, this is the way we all learn about family history research. The whole idea of these "lists" is that we pool resources and knowledge. Regards, Margaret Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: <MMccar2080@aol.com> To: <WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: [WALES-GEN] Denbigh Brymbo ?? > Hi all, > > I am a new subscriber, after 6 hours being online with the 1901 census I > finally managed to find some information about my ancestors. > > NOW, I Hope I don't upset anyone <gulp>, but is "Denbigh Brymbo" a Welsh town > ?, I found Denbigh in welsh meaning "fort", so I'm hoping someone can assist > me further. If it isn't I do apolygise and I'll leave with my head between my > tail. > > The 1901 census showed me my ancestor JOHN ALLINGTON was borned in Denbigh > Brymbo date 1860'ish. > > TIA > > > Mike McCarthy > > > ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi all, I want to thank all for replying on my request, I now realise why I have such a great singing voice, and can drink like a fish, but play lousey rugby emmmmmmmmm. John Allington's Wife, Mary Elizabeth Roberts b. 1864'ish, states she was born in Summerhill, which I notice is not far from Brymbo, so the plot thickens. I will return to wales email when I find some info on my OWEN side Again Thanks Mike McCarthy A kiwi residing in the COLD USA

Me again, Here`s another who I imagine must be related. Your best bet is to subscribe to the Clwyd (Denbighshire) list and post your interests on there. Also put Esclusham into the search window of Google and it will take you to the Genuki page for Wrexham and both Esclusham lower and upper. Regards, Keith. Dwelling: Rhosbers Farm Census Place: Bersham, Denbigh, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342325 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5515 Folio 73 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas MORRIS M 46 M Escusham Above, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Farmer 80 Acres Emp 2 Men Jane MORRIS M 40 F Escusham Above, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Farmer Wife Edward ALLINGTON W 62 M Escusham Above, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: Farmer Servant Thomas WILLIAMS W 57 M Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: Farmer Servant Elizabeth BELLIS U 25 F Ruabon, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: General Servant

Hi Mike, Here`s your man in 1881, unfortunately not with his family. Brymbo is a village near Wrexham in Denbighshire. You can find its location by going to this: <A HREF="http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=329159&Y=353564&A=Y&Z=5">http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=329159&Y=353564&A=Y&Z=5</A> Hope it helps, Keith Roberts. Dwelling: Hafodybwch Farm Census Place: Esclusham Below, Denbigh, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342326 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5518 Folio 81 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John FEARNALL U 31 M Tilston, Cheshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Farmer 150 Acres 3 Labourers & 1 Boy Fanny KAY U 32 F Trafod...ian, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: Housekeeper Sarah HUGHES U 20 F Trafod...ian, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: Domestic Servant John ALLINGTON U 21 M Trafod...ian, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Labourer Kenrick SMITH U 16 M Trafod...ian, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Labourer

Hi all, I am a new subscriber, after 6 hours being online with the 1901 census I finally managed to find some information about my ancestors. NOW, I Hope I don't upset anyone <gulp>, but is "Denbigh Brymbo" a Welsh town ?, I found Denbigh in welsh meaning "fort", so I'm hoping someone can assist me further. If it isn't I do apolygise and I'll leave with my head between my tail. The 1901 census showed me my ancestor JOHN ALLINGTON was borned in Denbigh Brymbo date 1860'ish. TIA Mike McCarthy

Hi All. For any of you like me who use CHANNEL 5 Teletext service for finding rellies via TREETOPS and WE'LL MEET AGAIN pages 488 and 489 they who think they know best at Teletext for some reason have decided to shut the whole system down.....Why? They don't tell us why. Feeling really p****d off i found the email address, if any of you feel like having a good old moan[donemine]then here it is. dutyoffice@channel5.co.uk It's about time we stood up to these companies, they think they can do what they want,when they want and how they want,with no thought to us!!! Feeling really miffed, fed up and finnished moaning now![I think?] Kaz. Please Pleas spread the word!!!!!!

At 02:33 AM 3/01/02, jane haggett wrote: >Hi: I am writing this email in hopes of finding someone with the same >interests, or someone who will be able to assist me to further my quest.... >Philip John Waters..birthdate/ unknown, father Evan Waters (occupation >collier) married Alice Emily Skiffins born Oct. 18/1871 (Previously >married to George Richard Ward). Philip and Alice lived in Maesteg, >Wales....Any information pertaining to the Waters/Watters side of the >family would be greatly appreciated. On their marriage certificate it >placed Philip as being ten years her junior thus born in 1881. > >Thank you in advance for any info. janehaggett@hotmail.comGet more from >the Web. FREE MSN Hi Jane Is this possibly your Evan Waters family? Philip yet to be born? Cannot find a Phillip being born anywhere pre 1881, except one in Cumberland to a father Philip Waters. Very limited Evan Waters about, too. Dwelling: Pantrhywgoch Yard Census Place: Michaelstone Y Vedw, Monmouth, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342267 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5269 Folio 107 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Evan WATERS M 37 M Graig, Monmouth, England Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Emma WATERS M 28 F Upton St Leonards, Gloucester, England Rel: Wife William WATERS 5 M Marshfield, Monmouth, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar cheers Graham

Howdy Getting near the end of things - the genealogical libraries will be open next week and I shall be back engrossed in my own tree/trees/work again, and life will (sort of) return to normal. Meanwhile, here is today's gleanings: Lucky, lucky, you should be so lucky! I wish I was young enough to prance around to that song! Well, I suppose I could, but I'd probably get some strange stares. HIGH ERCALL additions p470. 14 Aug 1763 Samuel s/o William Sambrook of Cottwal Fields baptized p487. 19 Feb 1769 William s/o Jeremiah Sambrook of Walton baptized p570. 22 May 1796 Samuel s/o Richard Sambrook of Isombridge buried p576. 17 Jun 1798 Robert s/o Samuel Sambrook of Isombridge buried p579. 21 Jul 1799 Thomas s/o William Sambrook of Walton baptized end of High Ercall. the volumes have gone back to be shrink-wrapped. Interesting entry in an index for occupations at High Ercall, among carpenters, etc. was "Bigamist!" He must have been a busy fellow! STANTON LACY: Carol Haycock on <ghaycock@rmi.net> is still looking for a birth and marriage of Mary Haycox The following, are the only entries in the register for a John, Eleanor and Mary Haycox p133. 7 Feb 1731 Johannis Haycox and Ann Rickas apud (sic) Ludlow married p144. 5 Dec 1742 John s/o Mary Haycox illigit baptized p149. 29 Jul 1747 John Haycox buried p155. 19 Feb 1756 Mary Haycox buried p171. 27 Nov 1773 Mary Haycox buried Not particularly good news, I'm afraid, Carol. Sandy HEDSTROM on <hedstrom@maxnet.co.nz> wanted to know if I came across any DELVES. Well, at High Ercall, there were a few, Sandy. p581. 29 Mar 1800 James Delves, a base child from Ellardine Heath buried (sic) p585. 22 Dec 1801 James s/o Sarah Delves buried (sic) One wonders, is this supposed to be a baptism and then a burial, or is it two James Delves born to the same Sarah Delves and both died? If so, why were the children not baptized? p659. 8 Jun 1812 Thomas Nickson p. of Cheswardine and Sarah Delves married. No further entries of Delves or Nickson/Nixon With the Stanton Lacy volume was included BITTERLEY Pam Thornbury on <pthorn@ihug.co.nz> is interested in OSLAND folk. Here's some. p1. 1658 Aprilis 13 Inter Johem. Osland et Annam Comber nuptie solemnizatae p65. 4 Aug 1721 Sarah Oseland, virgo sep p70. 19 May 1725 Samuel Owesland and Anna Gittins married p107. 11 Nov 1759 Ann Oseland buried p115. 29 Mar 1767 Lucy d/o Susan Oseland (bastard) baptized p119. 23 Jan 1771 Samuel Oseland buried p124. 26 Nov 1776 Sarah Oseland buried p156. 29 Jan 1760 Samuel Oseland and Sarah Williams married. Wit. Mathew Thomas, John Gitten p171. 27 Dec 1800 John Oseland, miner, and Mary Hughes, Wid., married. Wit. James Rogers and Sarah Davies p183. 30 Nov 1802. Sarah d/o John and Mary Oseland christened p188. 3 Mar 1805 Jane - as above p193. 15 Dec 1807 Thomas - as above - born 13 Dec p198. 12 May 1810 Ellen - as above - born 11 May p201. 27 Apr 1812 James - as above - born 17 Apr (No Oslands in Stanton Lacy registers) HOPE BAGOT More Oslands (such a tiny little register, barely a quarter of an inch thick!) p1. Thomas Prise and ye ogupiers of John Oseland's land nominated churchwardens and overseers for ye year 1717. p4. January 1717. John Oseland, warden p8. Mr. Thomas Oseland warden for ye Grove 1732 p11. 23 Sept 1739 Elizabeth d/o Samuel Osland and Isabella baptized p12. 29 Aug 1742 Susanna d/o Sam. and Isabel Oseland baptized p14. 2 Feb 1758 John bastard son of Martha Osland baptized p38. 7 Feb 1763 John Reynolds and Sara Osland married Some ASH information for Susan Evans SHAW who is on <susan@nas.net> HIGH ERCAL p666 5 Oct 1819 John Ash and Eleanor Clay married. Wi. Thomas Ash and Mary Buttrey. p510 13 Mar 1777 Martha d/o Samuel Sambrook of Osbatan baptized p511 30 Mar 1777 buried CLEOBURY MORTIMER. I've had this for about a week, but don't think I have sent it. Val FROESE on <ffroese@uniserve.com> was looking for Clintons and Passeys at that parish. 2 May 1811 Thomas Clinton of ye Rock and Mary Passey married 28 Jun 1812 Edward s/o Edward and Mary Clinton baptized (No Clintons at MILSON parish, Val. Not even one!) p166. 15 Jun 1730 Thomas s/o John & Elizabeth Passey baptized p168. 19 Nov 1732 John - as above p171. 8 Apr 1735 William self [?] (sic) - as above p174. 23 Jun 1737. James - as above p176. 1 Nov 1738 Joseph - as above p179. Samuel - as above p208. 8 Jun 1736 Tho. Passey a poor man was buried at Neen Savage p237. 18 Feb 1774 Anne d/o James and Mary Passey baptized privately p240. 9 Jun 1776 James - as above p247. 31 Aug 1783 Mary - as above p322. 13 Aug 1810 Mary Passey buried. Book concludes 1812. Thanks to all those who have been putting information concerning the 1901 census on the lists. I haven't even tried yet. At the end of the year I thought to myself, it is going to be crowded out on-line in January, so better to wait until about February to try. Need some patience, though, all the same. Some little hiccups, as with everything - yep, hiccups still going on in the State Library of Victoria several months after their new on-line catalogue was introduced, but it will all be sorted out given time. Patience, dear friends, patience! Sleep tight Graham