The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 8 Mar 1897, Page 5. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary, please send me your mailing address. (Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a more diverse group.) "A cablegram received on Saturday by John J. Walters of the Heights from Merthyr Tydvil, Wales, states that his father, John D. Walters, a former resident of this city, had died. Mr. Walters came to this city twenty-eight years ago and was employed at the Empire colliery. He was a thrifty man and was esteemed by all. He built a home on South Meade street, which was then a field. He was an active member of the Welsh Presbyterian Church, Northampton street and was one of the workers in the church in its first days. He afterwards removed to Plymouth, where he was engaged for fourteen years as foreman of Washington colliery, No. 16, L&W.-B. Coal Co., which position he was compelled to relinquish on account of failing health. His disease was miners' asthma, which became aggravated by an annual attack of hay fever. He was recommended as a final remedy to return to Wales, which he did six years ago, accompanied by his wife. During his residence at Plymouth he was a member and active worker in the Welsh Presbyterian Church. He also built several valuable properties, which he owned at the time of his death. "He was 67 years of age and leaves a widow in Wales and two adult sons in this city - William J. Walters and John J. Walters of Meade street. His adult daughter died several years ago in this city. "The funeral will take place on Wednesday, March 10. The pastor of Pontmorlais Calvinistic Chapel, Merthyr Tydvil, will officiate. Interment will be in Cefcoedcymmer Cemetery." ARTICLE IN 17 MAY 1897 (PAGE 5) ISSUE: "Mrs. John D. Walters, of Merthyr Tydvil, Wales, arrived on the steamer Teutonic on Wednesday with her son, John J. Walters, a resident of this city, who went over to bring his mother home. Mrs. Walters was a former resident of this city and Plymouth, and left with her husband for Wales several years ago, hoping that the change of climate would benefit the health of the latter, who was for several years at the Washington Colliery of the L.&W.-B. Coal Co. He died two months ago, and Mrs. Walters, having no other tie in Wales, has returned to her former home. She is a sister of Rev. W.D. Jenkins of this city." Nancy Cook Pasadena, MD, USA

Me too They say that although I am a member, I have not paid any subscriptions, and have asked me whether I registered under another email address. on 6/5/02 0:01, WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com at WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > WALES-GEN-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 79 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [WALES-GEN] Re: ancestry.com [Rachel Slansky <rachellad@earthlin] > #2 [WALES-GEN] Black Springs Birmingh ["Ireland-Johnston" <toes@firedream] > #3 [WALES-GEN] Temporary absence ["John Richards" <john@gtwest.frees] > #4 Re: [WALES-GEN] Temporary absence ["jan" <janis.burns@ntlworld.com>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from WALES-GEN-D, send a message to > > WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the WALES-GEN-D list administrator, send mail to > WALES-GEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ > email: tree.tops@virgin.net > > New Archive Project www.archivedbooks.co.uk > Paper Makers Web Site www.papermakers.org.uk > > C J Genealogical Collections > http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections/ > > > > ______________________________ > From: Rachel Slansky <rachellad@earthlink.net> > Date: Sunday, May 5, 2002 5:49 > To: WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WALES-GEN] Re: ancestry.com > > I thought it was just me! I paid seventy dollars last September for a > subscription to access all areas of Ancestry.com, including censuses that > were not yet indexed. I have found that now they are ready, I cannot access > them. They have not responded to my query as to why this is the case. > > Rachel Hughes Slansky > Oregon, USA > > > on 5/4/02 9:01 AM, WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com at > WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Hi >> There have been a number of complaints in regard to ancestry.com on various >> mailing lists. I am not at liberty to state what these are or what they >> referred to at the time, except to say that at the time of checking them, I >> became extremely cautious about this web-site and determined that I would >> never, ever, give them details of my credit card. (My personal opinion, of >> course.) They seem very pushy at the very least, and I would not be >> surprised if there were advertising folk connected who receive a >> commission. I could be wrong, and would be the first to apologize if such >> were the case. Nevertheless, the inputs from various emailing lists seem to >> indicate that all is not well with ancestry.com's way of doing business. >> So, take care. >> >> Sincerely >> Graham Price >> Melbourne >> Oz >> > > ______________________________ > From: "Ireland-Johnston" <toes@firedream.net> > Date: Sunday, May 5, 2002 19:54 > To: WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WALES-GEN] Black Springs Birmingham or Wales? > > Hi > > I am trying to locate a place named "Black Springs" which could be in > Birmingham, Warwickshire or Wales. My ancestor Edward HUGHES was sent on an > all expenses paid holiday to Australia in 1820. The house he built in New > South Wales, Australia he named 'Black Springs" apparently after the area of > his birth. Edward was tried at the Warwick Assizes and gave his native place > as Birmingham but there is also indication that he was actually from Wales. > I am aware that both Birmingham and, more particularly, Wales, are very > large areas but until I find Edwards birth place I cannot progress on this > branch any further. I dont have Edwards parents names. > > If anybody knows of a Black Springs in Birmingham or Wales - town, village, > farm, anything at all - I would love to hear from you. My apologies for the > cross postings. > > Regards, > > Beli, Western Australia > > See my family research names http://www.wags.org.au/mid/9258.htm > > ______________________________ > From: "John Richards" <john@gtwest.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: Sunday, May 5, 2002 21:27 > To: WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WALES-GEN] Temporary absence > > Due to some annoying health problems, I am going to have to leave you all > for a while. > > In the meantime, If you you have any interests in RICHARDS or DUGGAN from > the Castlemartin/St Twynnells/Stackpole/Pembroke area in the 18th and 19th > centuries, please be so kind as to mail me off list. > > Thank you > > John Richards. (St Albans UK) > Searching > RICHARDS & DUGGAN (Pembs & S. 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(St Albans UK) >

Hello Everyone, I am trying to locate a cemetery where a friend from Florida's sister was buried. I have found out that she died on 10th November 1940 at Tydfil Lodge and her residence is given as Cardiff Road, Merthyr Vale. Can anyone help in suggesting where she might have been buried in this area. Thanking you for any help you can give. Regards Mavis Hyde Cheshire Researching: STOPFORD CREE DILLON GRIFFITHS and BARSTOW

This continual tirade against ancestry.com, which seems to be cross posted to more and more lists by the day, is really getting me narked. Maybe its about time somebody started telling some truths about the company. The first fact is that the lists on which all this Ancestry bashing takes place are actually owned, and financed free of charge by ancestry.com - which rather gives the lie to all the money grubbing capitalist complaints. (And for those who will answer - "but how long before they start charging?" - listowners had to pay for lists, before Ancestry bought Rootsweb and got rid of the charges) Ancestry.com also provides a huge amount of FREE websites for genealogy through their freepages.rootsweb.com sites, and also support, again free of charge, FreeBMD, FreeCEN and FreREG. The "pay for" databases provided by Ancestry, are a bargain when compared to the travelling costs and reproduction costs involved in obtaining the information from other sources. The contents of the Ancestry.com pay-for databases are available without charge. People who pay for a subscription before checking that the subscription covers data which they need have only themselves to blame for not checking first. Paying for an on-line database access without checking its content first is like travelling 300 miles to a records office before checking that it is open on the day and has a fiche reader free! Instructions for cancelling trial subscriptions to Ancestry are fairly clear and straight forward for those who can be bothered to read them. Problems of credit-card fraud should be taken up with the credit card issuers and the internet access companies, and not the service providers. I have been tracing my family tree for a quarter of a century, it has always been an expensive hobby, but the services provided by Ancestry.com (including the free exchange of information on lists like this) have made it a lot cheaper over the past few years. I have no financial or other connection with ancestry.com, other than being a very satisfied customer of their pay-for services and a very grateful recipient of their many free services. Regards Alwyn In a message dated 06/05/2002 01:14:17 GMT Daylight Time, Irishbob@bellatlantic.net writes: > I've also subscribed to Ancestry.com and genealogy.com. However, when you > query for > information your told to "purchase" an additional subscription to a > particular > database to get the information you seek. Of course you must also open your > checkbook for another $39.95 or $59.95, etc. > > After the initial 3 month subscription I told them I didn't want to renew. > The next > month I found another charge to my credit card for another 3 months. When I > called > to complain I was told there was nothing they could do. I was then told I > had to > call another 800 number to cancel. It seems you can't get it done with the > rep > making the sale!! Its a total rip off!! Do not subscribe to either > "service"! > > I've got them now however ... I closed my account and opened another visa > account. > Now, lets see them bill the old account! >

I've also subscribed to Ancestry.com and genealogy.com. However, when you query for information your told to "purchase" an additional subscription to a particular database to get the information you seek. Of course you must also open your checkbook for another $39.95 or $59.95, etc. After the initial 3 month subscription I told them I didn't want to renew. The next month I found another charge to my credit card for another 3 months. When I called to complain I was told there was nothing they could do. I was then told I had to call another 800 number to cancel. It seems you can't get it done with the rep making the sale!! Its a total rip off!! Do not subscribe to either "service"! I've got them now however ... I closed my account and opened another visa account. Now, lets see them bill the old account! Bob McCarthy Rachel Slansky wrote: > I thought it was just me! I paid seventy dollars last September for a > subscription to access all areas of Ancestry.com, including censuses that > were not yet indexed. I have found that now they are ready, I cannot access > them. They have not responded to my query as to why this is the case. > > Rachel Hughes Slansky > Oregon, USA > > on 5/4/02 9:01 AM, WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com at > WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > There have been a number of complaints in regard to ancestry.com on various > > mailing lists. I am not at liberty to state what these are or what they > > referred to at the time, except to say that at the time of checking them, I > > became extremely cautious about this web-site and determined that I would > > never, ever, give them details of my credit card. (My personal opinion, of > > course.) They seem very pushy at the very least, and I would not be > > surprised if there were advertising folk connected who receive a > > commission. I could be wrong, and would be the first to apologize if such > > were the case. Nevertheless, the inputs from various emailing lists seem to > > indicate that all is not well with ancestry.com's way of doing business. > > So, take care. > > > > Sincerely > > Graham Price > > Melbourne > > Oz > > > > ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi I am trying to locate a place named "Black Springs" which could be in Birmingham, Warwickshire or Wales. My ancestor Edward HUGHES was sent on an all expenses paid holiday to Australia in 1820. The house he built in New South Wales, Australia he named 'Black Springs" apparently after the area of his birth. Edward was tried at the Warwick Assizes and gave his native place as Birmingham but there is also indication that he was actually from Wales. I am aware that both Birmingham and, more particularly, Wales, are very large areas but until I find Edwards birth place I cannot progress on this branch any further. I dont have Edwards parents names. If anybody knows of a Black Springs in Birmingham or Wales - town, village, farm, anything at all - I would love to hear from you. My apologies for the cross postings. Regards, Beli, Western Australia See my family research names http://www.wags.org.au/mid/9258.htm

Hope you are feeling better soon and rejoin us all ,I wish you good health John , Best Wishes Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Richards" <john@gtwest.freeserve.co.uk> To: <WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: [WALES-GEN] Temporary absence > Due to some annoying health problems, I am going to have to leave you all > for a while. > > In the meantime, If you you have any interests in RICHARDS or DUGGAN from > the Castlemartin/St Twynnells/Stackpole/Pembroke area in the 18th and 19th > centuries, please be so kind as to mail me off list. > > Thank you > > John Richards. (St Albans UK)

Due to some annoying health problems, I am going to have to leave you all for a while. In the meantime, If you you have any interests in RICHARDS or DUGGAN from the Castlemartin/St Twynnells/Stackpole/Pembroke area in the 18th and 19th centuries, please be so kind as to mail me off list. Thank you John Richards. (St Albans UK) Searching RICHARDS & DUGGAN (Pembs & S. Wales) DFHS 2715 RICHARDS, WIFFEN, DAY (London & Middx.) WIFFEN & NORRIS (Stock, Essex) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

At 09:59 AM 4/05/02, Jocelyn wrote: >I am writing to warn subscribers to be very careful about giving their >credit card details over the internet. > >I signed up for a 14 day free trial at Ancestry.com on 19 April 2002, but >had to give them my credit card details at the time of registering. It is >meant to be a secure site. > >This morning, I checked my credit card account and discovered someone has >used my card to purchase goods for $884.00 Australian Dollars from >a company in France. The goods were purchased on the day I sent my credit >card details over the internet to Ancestry.com. > >I will never do it again ! > >Regards >Jocelyn Bond and that is getting close to $1900 U.S on exchange figures! Can you afford to lose this money??? Hi There have been a number of complaints in regard to ancestry.com on various mailing lists. I am not at liberty to state what these are or what they referred to at the time, except to say that at the time of checking them, I became extremely cautious about this web-site and determined that I would never, ever, give them details of my credit card. (My personal opinion, of course.) They seem very pushy at the very least, and I would not be surprised if there were advertising folk connected who receive a commission. I could be wrong, and would be the first to apologize if such were the case. Nevertheless, the inputs from various emailing lists seem to indicate that all is not well with ancestry.com's way of doing business. So, take care. Sincerely Graham Price Melbourne Oz

I thought it was just me! I paid seventy dollars last September for a subscription to access all areas of Ancestry.com, including censuses that were not yet indexed. I have found that now they are ready, I cannot access them. They have not responded to my query as to why this is the case. Rachel Hughes Slansky Oregon, USA on 5/4/02 9:01 AM, WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com at WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Hi > There have been a number of complaints in regard to ancestry.com on various > mailing lists. I am not at liberty to state what these are or what they > referred to at the time, except to say that at the time of checking them, I > became extremely cautious about this web-site and determined that I would > never, ever, give them details of my credit card. (My personal opinion, of > course.) They seem very pushy at the very least, and I would not be > surprised if there were advertising folk connected who receive a > commission. I could be wrong, and would be the first to apologize if such > were the case. Nevertheless, the inputs from various emailing lists seem to > indicate that all is not well with ancestry.com's way of doing business. > So, take care. > > Sincerely > Graham Price > Melbourne > Oz >

Message forwarded by Deputy List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: MICHELESTITCH@aol.com <MICHELESTITCH@aol.com> To: Wales-gen-L-request@rootsweb.com <Wales-gen-L-request@rootsweb.com> Cc: SCOTLAND-OBITS-L-request@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-OBITS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Date: 03 May, 2002 17:47 Subject: Owen Have obit of Kenneth Dale Owen g-g- grandson of Robert Owen Died April 28, 2002. in New Harmony , Indiana, U.S. Robert Owen was a "Welsh social reformer and owner of the celebrated texile mill in New Lanark, Scotland." He came to U.S. and purchased what is now New Harmony, In. in 1825, creating a Utopian community. Anyone who has ties to them please E-mail me as it is quite lengthy and flowing. Thanks, "M"

Hi Glyn, Well they were definitely of humble origin. They all seem to have worked in the slate quarries and lived in Llandegai. I found them on the 1891 census only speaking Welsh so perhaps they were the type that didn't like to kow-tow to the English!! Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glyn Jones" <glynphoto@btinternet.com> To: <WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [WALES-GEN] Re: WALES-GEN-D Digest V02 #74 > Barbara, > The patronymic system is still used by a very few people but, to all > intents, it died out by about 1850, for the majority. It depends on the area > and on the nature of the family. The gentry began to stop using it when they > wished to kow-tow to the English i.e. some families before 1500. > My gggg grandfather died in 1808. My ggg grandfather (other line) died in > 1834. > If your ancestor, in 1851, was in an Anglicised area, I'd be fairly sure > you had the right one. If from a very Welsh area and of very humble origins, > possibly not. Try and find a Will. > Just in case, where were they? > > Glyn > > Glyn Jones FRPS > www.glynphoto.com > Remember Tryweryn > Join the Royal Photographic Society > Join Creative Monochrome > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Humphreys" <jambutty@idx.com.au> > To: "Glyn Jones" <glynphoto@btinternet.com>; <WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:28 AM > Subject: Re: [WALES-GEN] Re: WALES-GEN-D Digest V02 #74 > > > > Glyn > > > > Just when did this patronymic system "die" out and they start using what > we > > consider "proper surnames"? In other words just how far back was your > gggg > > grandfather?? I have found what I thought was "my lot" on the 1851 online > > census but am wondering if I am barking up the wrong (family) tree now. > > > > Kind Regards > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > Dear Avie, > > > You will get plenty of replies on this one. > > > It used to be the case that there were no surnames in Wales but that has > > > died out except for a tiny minority. Ap means 'son of'. > > > Llywelyn the Great was Llywelyn ap Iorwerth. His father was Iorwerth ab > > > Owain Gwynedd. The ab was because of the vowel 'O'. Gradually, the > English > > > forced them to use surnames. In between, the ap disappeared. e.g. my > gggg > > > grandfather was Morris Jones but HIS father was John Thomas. (Jones > means > > > son of John). And HIS father was Thomas Rowland. > > > On another line, my ggg grandfather was Williams. His Father was William > > > Evans and HIS father was Evan Williams. > > > The surname Bowen is from ab Owain. Probert is from ap Robert. > > > This system was the Patronymic system. If not clear, please ask > anything. > > > > > > Glyn > > > > > > > > > Glyn Jones FRPS > > > www.glynphoto.com > > > Remember Tryweryn > > > Join the Royal Photographic Society > > > Join Creative Monochrome > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > > To: <WALES-GEN-D@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:02 PM > > > Subject: WALES-GEN-D Digest V02 #74 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > Have you used Tree Tops? > > > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > > > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 4/19/02

Yes, it could be. Some families used the same Christian names in alternate generations but it could still be John X. Glyn Glyn Jones FRPS www.glynphoto.com Remember Tryweryn Join the Royal Photographic Society Join Creative Monochrome ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne" <cocoan@worldnet.att.net> To: <WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:27 PM Subject: [WALES-GEN] Patronymic system > Robert Jones is the father, Griffith Roberts is his son, could Robert > Jones' father possibly be > John Griffith? Thanks for any suggestions. Corinne > > ______________________________

Barbara, The patronymic system is still used by a very few people but, to all intents, it died out by about 1850, for the majority. It depends on the area and on the nature of the family. The gentry began to stop using it when they wished to kow-tow to the English i.e. some families before 1500. My gggg grandfather died in 1808. My ggg grandfather (other line) died in 1834. If your ancestor, in 1851, was in an Anglicised area, I'd be fairly sure you had the right one. If from a very Welsh area and of very humble origins, possibly not. Try and find a Will. Just in case, where were they? Glyn Glyn Jones FRPS www.glynphoto.com Remember Tryweryn Join the Royal Photographic Society Join Creative Monochrome ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Humphreys" <jambutty@idx.com.au> To: "Glyn Jones" <glynphoto@btinternet.com>; <WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [WALES-GEN] Re: WALES-GEN-D Digest V02 #74 > Glyn > > Just when did this patronymic system "die" out and they start using what we > consider "proper surnames"? In other words just how far back was your gggg > grandfather?? I have found what I thought was "my lot" on the 1851 online > census but am wondering if I am barking up the wrong (family) tree now. > > Kind Regards > Barbara > > > > > Dear Avie, > > You will get plenty of replies on this one. > > It used to be the case that there were no surnames in Wales but that has > > died out except for a tiny minority. Ap means 'son of'. > > Llywelyn the Great was Llywelyn ap Iorwerth. His father was Iorwerth ab > > Owain Gwynedd. The ab was because of the vowel 'O'. Gradually, the English > > forced them to use surnames. In between, the ap disappeared. e.g. my gggg > > grandfather was Morris Jones but HIS father was John Thomas. (Jones means > > son of John). And HIS father was Thomas Rowland. > > On another line, my ggg grandfather was Williams. His Father was William > > Evans and HIS father was Evan Williams. > > The surname Bowen is from ab Owain. Probert is from ap Robert. > > This system was the Patronymic system. If not clear, please ask anything. > > > > Glyn > > > > > > Glyn Jones FRPS > > www.glynphoto.com > > Remember Tryweryn > > Join the Royal Photographic Society > > Join Creative Monochrome > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > To: <WALES-GEN-D@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:02 PM > > Subject: WALES-GEN-D Digest V02 #74 > > > > > > > > > > ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== > > Have you used Tree Tops? > > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Glyn Just when did this patronymic system "die" out and they start using what we consider "proper surnames"? In other words just how far back was your gggg grandfather?? I have found what I thought was "my lot" on the 1851 online census but am wondering if I am barking up the wrong (family) tree now. Kind Regards Barbara > Dear Avie, > You will get plenty of replies on this one. > It used to be the case that there were no surnames in Wales but that has > died out except for a tiny minority. Ap means 'son of'. > Llywelyn the Great was Llywelyn ap Iorwerth. His father was Iorwerth ab > Owain Gwynedd. The ab was because of the vowel 'O'. Gradually, the English > forced them to use surnames. In between, the ap disappeared. e.g. my gggg > grandfather was Morris Jones but HIS father was John Thomas. (Jones means > son of John). And HIS father was Thomas Rowland. > On another line, my ggg grandfather was Williams. His Father was William > Evans and HIS father was Evan Williams. > The surname Bowen is from ab Owain. Probert is from ap Robert. > This system was the Patronymic system. If not clear, please ask anything. > > Glyn > > > Glyn Jones FRPS > www.glynphoto.com > Remember Tryweryn > Join the Royal Photographic Society > Join Creative Monochrome > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <WALES-GEN-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:02 PM > Subject: WALES-GEN-D Digest V02 #74 > > > > > ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== > Have you used Tree Tops? > The Free FAMILY TREE & WE'LL MEET AGAIN SERVICE > http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 1 Feb 1897, Page 10. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary, please send me your mailing address. (Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a more diverse group.) "Thomas M. Davis, one of the oldest inhabitants of Duryea, died suddenly yesterday morning. Mr. Davis was born seventy years ago in the parish of Caio, Carmarthenshire, South Wales. From there he and his wife and children emigrated to this country in 1853 and located at a place called then Head of Canal, now a part of Duryea, and lived in the same spot until he died. Mr. Davis buried his first wife in 1872, and in 1874 he married the second wife, who was killed on the railroad in 1891. His first wife bore him ten children, seven of whom are alive. William, the oldest son, and his wife kept house for him. Thomas, who lives in Black Diamond, Washington; James O. of Nanticoke; Mrs. Elijah Thomas of Plymouth; Mrs. Rees B. Davis of Scranton, Mrs. John M. Lewis of Dedham, Iowa; and Mrs. Henry Beddoe of Nanticoke are the other children. The second wife bore him three children, one of whom is John G., who lives at home. The deceased was a devout Christian all his lifetime, and was a member of the Welsh M.E. Church. He was a total abstainer all through life and never used tobacco in any form. He was one of the oldest subscribers of the Y Drych, having taken it continually for forty-four years. Funeral will take place on Friday afternoon at 2 o'clock, with interment at Marcy Cemetery." Nancy Cook Pasadena, MD, USA

The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 15 Feb 1897, Page 10. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary, please send me your mailing address. (Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a more diverse group.) "Mrs. Emen Lewis, wife of David T. Lewis, died last evening of heart disease at her home, 142 South Meade street, aged 62 years. She was born in Rhandirmwyn, Carmarthanshire, South Wales. She leaves her husband, three sons and one daughter - Thomas D., John D., William D. and Anne." (Sorry, that's all there is.) Nancy Cook Pasadena, MD, USA

The following article was found in the Wilkes-Barre (PA) Record, 4 Feb 1897, Page 7. If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of this obituary, please send me your mailing address. (Instead of submitting this to any specific Mailing List, I am submitting it to the General list in the hopes that it will be seen by a more diverse group.) "Mrs. Hannah Williams, widow of the late David Williams, of 115 Kidder street, East End, died last evening, after an illness of five weeks of inflammation of the bowels, aged 48 years. Deceased was a member of Evening Star Lodge, American Protestant Ladies Association, and Susquehanna Council, 44, Daughters of Pocahontas. She is survived by ten children, three of whom are married - Albert, of 108 Kidder street; Thomas, of Nanticoke; and John, of Ithaca, NY. The seven at home are: Annie, George, Harry, Florence, Priscilla, Benjamin and Edith. The youngest is 5 years old. Funeral from the house at 2 o'clock on Friday. "Mrs. Williams was a native of Merthyr Tydvil, Wales, and has been a resident of Wilkes-Barre for twenty-seven years." Nancy Cook Pasadena, MD, USA

Hi Is there anybody out there who lives near Borth and willing to take a trip south for me. I have just been contacted by Gordon who indicated when he worked in the area some 5 years ago, the Brynbala farm house (situated near the coast) was nothing more than a ruin, the property being bought for land use only. I would really like to have a photo of the area and farm house (at least what is left) to get an idea of the place. My ancestors farmed there back in the 1840s. Best wishes, Mandy Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <WALES-GEN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:02 AM Subject: WALES-GEN-D Digest V02 #74

In a message dated 01/05/2002 22:28:45 GMT Daylight Time, cocoan@worldnet.att.net writes: > > Robert Jones is the father, Griffith Roberts is his son, could Robert > Jones' father possibly be > John Griffith? In a word YES! regards Alwyn