----- Original Message ----- From: List Owner <list.owner@virgin.net> To: Prisons List <PRISONS-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: Convicts & Transportees Special Week Hi All Carol of TreeTops http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ has offered to do a "special week" of messages on the Family Tree Pages avaliable on the Text Pages British TV. This will be a week that is going to be shared between us on Prisons-UK and our fellow research chums on the AUS-CONVICTS List, also hosted by Rootsweb. The format of the messages needs to be 40 words and INCLUDE a postal address (this is to benefit those without email). An example is: Seeking info on Henry GOUCHER transported on the "Guildford" in 1812. Tried in Middlesex in 1811 and was transported for life. ****Insert Your postal address & email address HERE**** Messages can be sent either to myself at list.owner@virgin.net or to Carol at tree.tops@virgin.net Please put "special week" in the subject heading. As soon as there is 36 messages between the two lists they will be allocated a week to be screened. The last time Carol did a special week she was swamped, but ALL messages will be screened For details on TreeTops see below. Julie, List Owner Prisons-UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tree Tops - Free TV Family Tree/We'll Meet Again Service available on Sky News (British TV) Fast Text Pages 267 & 268 (Digital 467 & 468) and also on CHANNEL 5 (British TV) Text Pages 488 & 489. Web Page: http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ email: tree.tops@virgin.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 2001-18-Sep --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 2001-19-Sep

I am a new subscriber to this list so I am reposting a Glamorgan interest already submitted to the Glamorgan list. I am searching for Charles W. (?William) CASE (b.15/7/1870 on the IOW) in the Aberdare/Aberamen area sometime between 1910 and 1930. He was a retired Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer who, according to family folklore, became the manager of the Aberamen Power Station. The story goes on to say that he died as a result of civil unrest (riots). I have hunted and hunted for ANY reference to him without success. The GRO Index shows two of that name having died in 1923 but both are the wrong age, (one is recorded in Bristol aged 75yrs and the other in Newport, Mon aged 33yrs although I realise these ages might be wrong). I know there were riots in the Newport area but I cannot find any reference to deaths save one miner who was "struck by a blunt instrument". Can anyone shed any light. Please! Regards, Richard

If possible could you please forward this message to your list. Although this posting may not directly apply to you or the members on your list, we have found that many people would like to be involved or are interested in helping raise money for this type of cause by taking part in our auction, fund raising events or in these type of Family History Fairs. May I also take this opportunity to thank you for your help and support. ************************************************* UK-NORTHEAST Charity Day. We are holding the above event on Saturday 20th October 2001, at the Sunderland Football Club, (Stadium of Light) and will be split into 3 sections throughout the day: - (1) Family History Fair - 12.00pm till 5.00pm. Stalls cost £4.00 for anyone that wishes to book one and there will be a £2.00 admission charged at the door. Anyone wishing to book a stall can find further information on our web site. Refreshments will be available throughout the day. OUR WEB SITE ADDRESS IS:- http://uk-northeast.com (2) "Get Together" of NORTHEAST Mailing List Members or those who have family interest in the Northeast. – This event is open to all members of mailing lists within the Northeast of England and will be from 5.00pm till 7.00pm. A way of getting to know who is behind those e-mails, messages and postings that keep appearing on the lists. Please feel free to bring along your family history material/charts, files, paperwork, brickwalls queries etc. Refreshments will be available throughout the day. (3) Charity Evening - 7.00pm till 12.30am. Tickets reserved over our web site will cost £3.50 compared to £4.50 if bought at the door on the day of the event. There will be varies entertainment and we are also hoping to go out live over the Internet. (This is not yet confirmed). Money raised from all 3 events will go to the “"Widows and Orphans Fund" for the families of the fire fighters who sadly lost theirs lives in the recent American Disaster. PLEASE NOTE that 100% of all money raised will go to this charity. No funds will be taken for expenses, admin costs etc. We have also added a Charity Auction to our web site where goods donated from varies TV & Pop Stars, Actors & Actress, etc will be available for anyone to bid on. PLEASE note the above times & details are subject to change. Confirmation of any changes will be available from our site. May I also take this opportunity to thank everyone for their help, support and general advice which has made this event possible and at the same time raise much need funds for those who need it. If you have any questions or need further details etc, direct them to me and not to your listowner or over the list. Best Wishes Steve

Message forwarded by Deputy List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, CHANNEL 5 British TV Text Pages 488 & 489 http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections -----Original Message----- From: Mike Blewitt <mblewitt1912@home.com> To: wales-gen-d-request@rootsweb.com <wales-gen-d-request@rootsweb.com> Date: 25 September, 2001 22:08 Subject: genealogical >Am looking for surname BENGALL > >

Dear All I am new on your list and like to introduce myself. My name is Han Wijtzes, I live in Apeldoorn, The Netherlands I like to trace my family in the UK. The Brother of my grand father was a sailor named PIETER WIJTZES, born in The Netherlands on April-4-1862 This Pieter went to Liverpool after June-22-1886 He married in Liverpool with MARY REARDON who died in Liverpool on April-24-1913 Pieter sailed two times from Barry to New York in 1918. He gave as residence Barry, Wales. The ships he sailed on were called Philadelphia and Monitowoc. In 1919 he sailed with the ship Alban and in 1920 with the Royal George to New York, probably from Barry as wel. He some times spelled his Christian name as PETER and his surname as WYTZES. Does anyone know how to gather information about Pieter and the ships he sailed on. I would be very grateful for any info you are able to send. Kind Regards Han Wijtzes

Hello I know this isn't strictly Welsh genealogy, as St. Martin's appeared in Shropshire, but I thought since it was bordering Wales it would be ok to post. I would like to order in the 1871 census for St. Martins to see if I can find my great great grandparents and their small family. I've found them in Liverpool in 1881 and Chirk in 1891, but their children were born in St. Martins in 1868 and 1873. I looked on the FHL catalogue and came up with the following: 1871 RG 10/2783-2784, FHL Film 838842 Item 1 1871 RG 10/2783-2784 FHL Film 838842 Item 3 1871 RG 10/2785-2787 FHL Film 838843 Which film do you think I should order? I'm not very familiar with the numbers (like 2783 etc) or the Item numbers, so if this is a 'your guess is as good as mine' question, sorry. I don't believe there is an 1871 index for the census either, but I would love someone to prove me wrong. Sincerely Taryn Jones

The following surnames are included in the Top Five Queries at http://www.englishmigration.com/queries/selected/current.asp BAKER * BISHOP * BOWER * CHAMBERLAIN * COBB * MANTEY * MERCER * PIGRAM * POPE * WILLIAMS New selections are featured each month. Also see Other Top Five Queries, linked from the same page. You may also wish to review Query of the Week, the list of Books and Other Sites. Diana Church http://www.englishmigration.com

Does anyone know the Meaning of Baptist Road Or Old Welch Cemtery rows I just Returned from a trip to Chester Co PA My Welch ancestors who came to the USA sometime in the 1700 Many were buried in this meeting Place cem Welch churchyard there were 27 of them all in a row the Church told me that early welch buried acording to the old welch lines can anyone help me with this I wrote down all 27 and the order they were in Thanks Dotty Davis

This is being cross-posted, so apologies if you receive several copies of this! We have never sent this before, however, there seems to be a sudden splurge of subscribers to ALL the lists that are run between us (Carol & Julie) ,with many new to the internet, so, here are some basic suggestions for the newer members & reminders for the regulars **** Remember we're all living is different parts of the world and what is obvious to you not obvious to other list members. Please be patient and polite to fellow list members. Treat others as you wish to be treated. **** It is useful to indicate the State, County, Country of your research Eg: Alberta Canada, Wagga Wagga NSW Australia, Exeter Devon. If possible can the two letter abbreviations used in the USA be replaced with the full names. **** The more information you include in your question the more likely you are to get an answer and The more specific your question, the most likely you are to get answer. **** "I've looked everywhere", it does helps to mention where "everywhere" is so others can point you to new places to look rather than telling you to do what you've already done. ***** Consider using the Free Family Tree and We'll Meet Again Service, provided FREE by Carol of Tree Tops http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops By submitting a message to the various services Carol provides, you might find that missing link. Check out the web page for further details. Remember, when you have an elusive ancestor, anything is worth a try. **** I'd like to encourage people to send replies to the LIST rather than direct to the person The advantages of sending replies to the list: there's probably others that are interested in the answer, it might get a discussion and it lets others know if the question has been answered. **** Please remember the correct procedure for unsubscribing and subscribing. Send a blank email with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the body of the message. The address to send to is the address with the word request in it. EG treetops-news-L-request@rootsweb.com etc Please post from the address that you are subscribed under, otherwise the Rootsweb robot thinks it is spam & the posting bounces to us for forwarding. **** Use suitable subject headings, especially if you receive the digest version of postings. Not everyone reads everything and often time dictates we skim read the subjects lines looking for something interesting or relevant. An email that says "My family research" doesn't tell us much. Another tip is to type SURNAMES in capitals, so they attract attention ****Remember ALL posts to Rootsweb mailing lists are archived, so it is always checking there. Following the links from the main Rootsweb URL, at www.rootsweb.com or from http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and then inserting the name of the list whose archives you wish to search. **** FINALLY, If you wish to post something to the list that is NOT specific to the list, For example new mailing lists, please send details to the admin address or either of us directly. ************************************************************************* To join the following MAILING LISTS just add on -L-request@rootsweb.com to the end of the Required name. ABERDEEN, BOER-WAR, CANAL-PEOPLE, ENG-LIVERPOOL, ENG-SRY-WSFHS, OCCUPATIONS, ONE-PLACE-STUDY, PRISONS-UK, PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS, STRAYS, TREETOPS-NEWS, TREETOPS-OVERSEAS, WALES-GEN. Surname Lists:- GOUCHER, HENTHORN, KENWORTHY. ************************************************************************* Regards Carol and Julie List Owners list.owner@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections Fax & Voice Mail (+44) 0870 130 5474 September, 2001. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 2001-18-Sep

I am reading the REply to the subject......can't find the initial post. I am interested in Thomas and Powell lines from the Wales and Wales/England border. THOMAS was married to BEBB, suppossedly both lines had some royalty in Wales. POWELL comes from the Fridd Llanfachain and surrounding areas. One of the Powells was a gamekeeper at the Lord Halifax estate. contact me with any connections Pete in CT, USA

We have never sent this before, however, there seems to be a sudden splurge of subscribers to ALL the lists that are run between us (Carol & Julie) ,with many new to the internet, so, here are some basic suggestions for the newer members & reminders for the regulars **** Remember we're all living is different parts of the world and what is obvious to you not obvious to other list members. Please be patient and polite to fellow list members. Treat others as you wish to be treated. **** The more information you include in your question the more likely you are to get an answer and The more specific your question, the most likely you are to get answer. **** "I've looked everywhere", it does helps to mention where "everywhere" is so others can point you to new places to look rather than telling you to do what you've already done. ***** Consider using the Free Family Tree and We'll Meet Again Service, provided FREE by Carol of Tree Tops http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops By submitting a message to the various services Carol provides, you might find that missing link. Check out the web page for further details. Remember, when you have an elusive ancestor, anything is worth a try. **** I'd like to encourage people to send replies to the LIST rather than direct to the person The advantages of sending replies to the list: there's probably others that are interested in the answer, it might get a discussion and it lets others know if the question has been answered. **** Use suitable subject headings, especially if you receive the digest version of postings. Not everyone reads everything and often time dictates we skim read the subjects lines looking for something interesting or relevant. An email that says "My family research" doesn't tell us much. Another tip is to type SURNAMES in capitals, so they attract attention ****Remember ALL posts to Rootsweb mailing lists are archived, so it is always checking there. Following the links from the main Rootsweb URL, at www.rootsweb.com or from http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and then inserting the name of the list whose archives you wish to search. **** FINALLY, If you wish to post something to the list that is NOT specific to the list, For example new mailing lists, please send details to the admin address or either of us directly. ************************************************************************* To join the following MAILING LISTS just add on -L-request@rootsweb.com to the end of the Required name. ABERDEEN, BOER-WAR, CANAL-PEOPLE, ENG-LIVERPOOL, ENG-SRY-WSFHS, OCCUPATIONS, ONE-PLACE-STUDY, PRISONS-UK, PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS, STRAYS, TREETOPS-NEWS, TREETOPS-OVERSEAS, WALES-GEN. Surname Lists:- GOUCHER, HENTHORN, KENWORTHY. ************************************************************************* Regards Carol and Julie List Owners list.owner@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections Fax & Voice Mail (+44) 0870 130 5474 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release Date: 2001-09-Sep --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release Date: 2001-05-Sep

Hi Elida- Though I did get to the Angelfire site, I was told that the address could not be found. What is the name of the page? I am particularly interested in the Hughes/Thomas link. --Rachel

I have two webpages that give some information on these Welsh families: THOMAS, JONES, OWEN, ROWLAND, HUGHES: www.angelfire.com/sc/elida/welsh6 POWELL, PARSELL: www.angelfire.com/sc/elida/welsh3 Also, there is a link to some very old postcards from Wales. Good luck, Elida of South Carolina, USA

Does anyone on this list know the name Prothro or any variation. Thanks Bettye Looney Bowerman ROGERS, BETHEA, SAMPLE, LOONEY HUDSON, GOLDEN, MILLER COCHRAN, COVINGTON, MALONE, POCKRUS, PROTHRO, SMITH, TUPA, RYBAK, BOWERMAN

Hello. I am looking for anyone that may have info on my grandmother's ancestors. I found them in censuses in the States that shows them as being born in Wales. I have been told that surnames were frequently changed when immigrating to America. Therefore, I might not even be searching the correct ones. I am looking for the following individual's info: JAMES EVANS b:Wales married Martha b:Wales Their son, EVAN THOMAS EVANS b:1851 Wales d:SD, USA? married Elizabeth Jane STEWART b:1857 IN Thank you in advance. God's Blessings, Jennifer (Prentice) Rossow RosFamHom@aol.com "All I ever really want to know is ALL the names of All the descendants of All the ancestors of All my children":)

Could not of said it better. God bless you all and I hope that the perpetrator/s are found and dealt with swiftly. Stay Happy Karen Bennett-Platt Sydney, Australia http://www.angelfire.com/home/plattfamilytree ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Price" <genetree@pacific.net.au> To: <WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: [WALES-GEN] Devastation > We still can't believe what has happened. Many of us here in AUSTRALIA have > had tears in our eyes most of this afternoon, still trying to come to grips > with the catastrophe. We send our love and our care and concern to all in > the U.S.A. who have had friends and relatives hurt by this insane activity. > Together with NEW ZEALAND we send our love to you, and our hope that you > can come to terms with it in your own way, in your own time. WE WILL STAND > BY YOU, no matter what! We will look toward bringing those responsible for > this mass murder to book. We will never forget. Our prayers and our deep > heartfelt feelings are with you all. Our Prime Minister is in yoru country > at present and we stand by his words as communicated by him to your > national press. Long live the American people! > > Graham > Melbourne > AUSTRALIA > > > ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

We still can't believe what has happened. Many of us here in AUSTRALIA have had tears in our eyes most of this afternoon, still trying to come to grips with the catastrophe. We send our love and our care and concern to all in the U.S.A. who have had friends and relatives hurt by this insane activity. Together with NEW ZEALAND we send our love to you, and our hope that you can come to terms with it in your own way, in your own time. WE WILL STAND BY YOU, no matter what! We will look toward bringing those responsible for this mass murder to book. We will never forget. Our prayers and our deep heartfelt feelings are with you all. Our Prime Minister is in yoru country at present and we stand by his words as communicated by him to your national press. Long live the American people! Graham Melbourne AUSTRALIA

We are shocked to the core and saddened by the bombings in America. Melbourne, Australia, this morning is very subdued - not much happening on the streets after receiving the news overnight. Seems that not much work is being done, and many folk are staying indoors waiting for the "next news." Everyone condemns the horrible acts. We grieve with our American cousins in their despair. I have just come back from my part-time work after mid-day and the feeling is unanimous. It is a wound that will take a very long time to heal, if ever. What else can we say? I feel so very weary. Graham Melbourne Oz

I am impressed at all the words of care I have seen on the machine since yesterday. I think I am still in a phase of disbelief. I live in a very rural 2 traffic light town in the middle of no where in the US. I am within driving to an AFB and have watched on tv as the next largest town seems to shut down understandably due to their federal blding. I guess it still seems like an fiction movie experience. It hit home when I learned someone near & dearest to me was quite possibly to be in the WTC and his wife had family stationed in the Pentagon. It is difficult to imagine that something that happened in what seems to be a world away could affect someone in the farmland of OH. Thankfully my son was not in the blding or even in NY. The young man that went was not in the blding. Unfortunately, their company had an office in one of the towers and we are assuming lost many. We are hopeful that by now our daugther-in-law's family received good news on the family member in the Pentagon. There are no words for anyone who has lost loved one, but we can let them know we are here if they need us. ~pat~ Graham Price wrote: > We still can't believe what has happened. Many of us here in AUSTRALIA have > had tears in our eyes most of this afternoon, still trying to come to grips > with the catastrophe. We send our love and our care and concern to all in > the U.S.A. who have had friends and relatives hurt by this insane activity. > Together with NEW ZEALAND we send our love to you, and our hope that you > can come to terms with it in your own way, in your own time. WE WILL STAND > BY YOU, no matter what! We will look toward bringing those responsible for > this mass murder to book. We will never forget. Our prayers and our deep > heartfelt feelings are with you all. Our Prime Minister is in yoru country > at present and we stand by his words as communicated by him to your > national press. Long live the American people! > > Graham > Melbourne > AUSTRALIA > > ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== > C J Genealogical Collections > Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

To all our American friends on this list and to those on any of our other lists. No words at all can express our thoughts when we see the terrible pictures on our Televisions today. Our thoughts and prayers are with you all, wherever you are. Warmest Regards, Carol & Julie (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, CHANNEL 5 British TV Text Pages 488 & 489 http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections