Hi, I,m new to the list and would like to post my first surname in Wales. I'm hopeful there will be many more to come ! I am looking for the family of William M. Thomas born June 3 1835 in Cariganshire, South Wales. His family had lived there for many generations. William came to America through Quebec Canada in 1857 with some friends. He went to Youngstown, Mahoning Co., Ohio and lived there until 1867 when he and family moved to Montcalm Co., Mi. He married in Ohio, Julia A Stewart in 1858. They had 7 children including..Ormond (my husbands greatgrandfather), Myron, Mary, Willis, Gilbert, Jay Bentley, and Lelia. I am excited to be on a new leg of a journey of searching for my husbands' Thomas's. I had been up against a brick wall for a long time ! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

At 06:55 AM 16/10/01, slo_taft@juno.com wrote: >In response to Florence's question: > >(From the www.amazon.com website) > >Welsh Family History A Guide to Research: Second Edition > by Rowlands John (Editor), Sheila Rowlands (Editor) >Genealogical Publishing Company; ISBN: 0806316209 > > >Book Description > >This handbook on Welsh genealogy deals primarily with those aspects of >family history research that are unique to Wales. Originally published by >the >Association of Family History Societies of Wales, it is considered the >best >book ever written on Welsh genealogy. It is certainly a very >comprehensive >handbook, with over twenty chapters treating the essential elements of >Welsh >genealogy. Each of the chapters is written by a specialist and is >designed to >guide the reader through the pitfalls and challenges of Welsh family >history >research. Chapters include: Archives in Wales, Family History Societies >of >Wales, Parish Registers, Civil Registration and the Census, >Nonconformity, >Surnames of Wales, Place Names, Basic Welsh for Family Historians, the >IGI >for Wales, Estate Records, Maritime Records, Wills, Education, and >Parochial >Records, Court Records, and Manuscript and Printed Pedigrees. For this >new >second edition, each author was given the opportunity to update his or >her text in the light of recent developments, particularly in the area of >local government and archives. While this has led to significant changes >in a number of chapters, the aims and objectives of the first edition >have been carefully preserved. > >The Second Book in their series is: >Second Stages In Researching Welsh Ancestry > by John Rowlands (Editor), Sheila Rowlands (Editor), John, eds. >Sheila > Rowlands >Genealogical Publishing Company; ISBN: 0806316195 > >Anyone who has had any success in researching their Welsh ancestry will >know that a grasp of specialized Welsh genealogical methods and sources >is only one of several factors that contributed to that success. They >will know, for example, how important it is in Welsh research to have >some understanding of the social, cultural, religious, and economic >background of the communities in which those ancestors lived. This book >attempts to broaden that understanding, especially for the period prior >to 1800 when most researchers begin to experience difficulties. In >addition, it aims to make readers more aware of some little-known sources >and the special uses that may be applied to the information found in >these sources. The book follows the format of the Rowlands' highly >successful Welsh Family History and is a compendium of contributions by >experts in different fields. Both books have their origins in the >residential courses in family history offered at the University of Wales, >Aberystwyth, since 1986, and, although there is some overlap in the time >periods considered within the two books, there is virtually no >duplication of content. Apart from chapters dealing with aspects of >community life, there are chapters relating to different occupations, >surnames, old documents, maps, estate records, and family histories (the >Vaughans of Trawsgoed, the Pugh family of Llanfair and Llanbedr, the >Lloyds of Ty Newydd, Moris Reignald, Titus Jones, and "Baron" Lewis >Owen). > >Hope this helps! >Dawn Some years back a friend of mine, for whom I had done some considerable research for the Isle of Wight very kindly presented me with "Welsh Family History: A Guide to Research," edited by John Rowlands and others, 1993 edition. If the more modern versions are anything like this, then they will indeed be valuable resource books for Welsh family historians. I can only recommend them immensely to researchers. For Victorian (Australia) researchers, the State Library of Victoria has them on its shelves. By the way, check out their new catalogue. It is amazing. I typed in the word "Welsh," and it came up with 1051 books with that word in the title! I am progressively working my way through the index - am up to 301 at present, long way to go. Some cute books (locked away in the upstairs stack) that I had a look at were "Immortal sails: a story of a Welsh port and some of its ships," which depicted most of the ships in and out of Portmadog (or Portmadoc); "Modern English-Welsh letter writer: for the use of ladies and gentlemen 1897," very amusing with its standard letter from a gentleman breaking it off with his young lady who had been indiscreet, in Welsh and English; and "Land of my Fathers: a Welsh gift book 1915," which was produced in that year with all the proceeds going to the use of the Welsh battalions. In "subject" mode the catalogue when receiving the word "Welsh" popped up my little rag "Genetree," which was a delightful surprise. For anyone who is curious about the massive collection of books the SLV holds you can access the catalogue on-line at http://catalogue.slv.vic.gov.au but I might warn you, several hours later you could still be browsing, having lost complete track of time! Regards Graham Melbourne Oz

Am looking for backgrounds of a Joseph Lewis REES, born 24 Nov. 1871 in West Wales, died 25 Feb 1929 in Cardiff, married Edith "Lavender" EVANS 13 July 1899 in Llantwit. (Joseph's father was William REES according to marriage certificate.) Joseph and Edith had at least two sons, William and Thomas David REES. Thomas David REES married Eleanor WILCOX in Cardiff in Dec. 1925. Any help appreciated. Barbara in Glenmont, NY, USA

These are the name's in which i'm researching please contact me if you are also researching the same surnames. My family History there could be more history here but for now this is all that i have recorded on my dad's family for now perhaps there is someone who can send me more and the same goes for my mother's side as well however what i do have is very exciting and interesting because i have British, Welsh, Scottish, German, Canadian, American, & Irish Decendancy in my Family History PANNELL - Walter (B) CROCKER - Catherine (B) PANNELL - Walter (M) CROCKER - Catherine Children QUENNELL - Edward (B) BIGGS - John (B) ? Mary (Maria's mother) (B) ? BIGGS - John (M) Mary ? Children BIGGS - Maria (B) QUENNELL - Edward (M) BIGGS - Maria Children QUENNELL - Edith (B) FREETHY - William John (B) FREETHY - William John (M) QUENNELL - Edith Children FREETHY - Chester Young (B) 29 April 1915 Nanaimo B.C MARTINDALE - John (B) JENT - Mary Ann (B) 1827 England MARTINDALE - John (M) JENT - Mary Ann MARTINDALE - Catherine (B) 14 May 1887 Liverpool Eng PEMBERTON - William (B) BROADBENT Sarah Ann Late Hopkins (B) 1827 Liverpool, Eng PEMBERTON - William (M) BROADBENT Sarah Ann Liverpool, Eng Children PEMBERTON - William George (B) 17 Jan 1885 Liverpool,Eng PEMBERTON - William George (M) MARTINDALE - Catherine Children PEMBERTON - Christina Emily (B) 7 October 1920 Vancouver B.C

To: "Tree Tops Overseas List" <TREETOPS-OVERSEAS-L@rootsweb.com>; "Tree Tops News List" <TREETOPS-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: Special Weeks....A Reminder Just a quite note to remind you all that there are still some spaces for the following Special Weeks which Tree Tops is hosting;- Christmas Special Week School Chums Special Week Remembrance Day Special Week Convicts & Transportees Special Week Send message of 40 words to include a postal and email address to Carol (or to me and I will forward on) Marking which special week your message is relevant to in the subject line: Example: Seeking the des of the elusive Edith MATTHEWS born 1877 Rugby War, dau of John & Elizabeth. Last known whereabouts was Merrow Guildford Surrey 1891. Possibly Nurse. *** Insert YOUR name, email & Postal address here*** Remember, Christmas is the best time to be on screen, so get in quick! Have Fun! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 2001-25-Sep

Wonder if anyone could do a lookup for me on a marriage of Thomas Hughes, his occupation would have been a farm laborer.....to an Ellen Jones....I would imagine that it would be registered Anglesey. Know that they lived in the village of Bryngwran for a time. Mid 1800s to perhaps 1881. If someone would be so kind as to assist me, I would be grateful! Linda

Has anyone got anything on George Frank Jones who was born in 1880, married Alice Maud Elizabeth Sheppard in 1907, he's buried in the Milton Cemetery Portamouth. They had 7 children. Thanks, Judy -----Original Message----- From: WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com <WALES-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: WALES-GEN-D@rootsweb.com <WALES-GEN-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, 14 October 2001 11:02 Subject: WALES-GEN-D Digest V01 #159

I may be totally wrong in respect of your ancestor's occupation, but to me a commissionaire is the person who stands at the door of a cinema or theatre to welcome patrons Regards Alwyn In a message dated 14/10/2001 21:16:41 GMT Daylight Time, ElizabethHessan@aol.com writes: > > can sks tell me if the occupation commisionaire would be applied to a > person > who had recently left the forces in the 1950's, or is there some other job > that would conver this description. > tia > liz > >

Hello, I am returning to my search after a summer off, I am tring to trace ALFRED JOSHUA RUST who married LOUISA NEWTON on the 1/4/1882. Does sks have the 1891 census that would be willing to look for me. the last known address I have for them is 13 kates tce wassand st hull at the time of their wedding in 1882. they had a daughter EVA IRIS on 31/8/1888, I think they might have had a son called John, I know that they all moved to the Pembroke area when Eva was a girl. ALFRED'S address when he died was 4 Mansfield St Milford other than that I have lost them completely. tia Liz

can sks tell me if the occupation commisionaire would be applied to a person who had recently left the forces in the 1950's, or is there some other job that would conver this description. tia liz

Hi Corinne. What has happened is that your email message was slightly to long,as once someone responds and replies to your message it gets longer and longer. Hope this helps. Thanks. Kaz. -------Original Message------- From: Corinne Freethy Date: 14 October 2001 09:04:08 To: WALES-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WALES-GEN] Re: WALES-GEN-D Digest V01 #159 Hello can someone please tell me what snipped in the cause of brevity means it was among the message in the Gen digest messages i would also like to know why or who cut it out of the message if you think i'm making all those surnames and birth dates up you're mistaken. ==== WALES-GEN Mailing List ==== C J Genealogical Collections Web Page http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

<who cut it out of the message if you think i'm making all those >surnames and birth dates up you're mistaken.> Corinne, I am one of those who snipped your message. ...White Christmas Henry.... This was the relevant part of your message, to my query, so saw no reason to include the rest of your very long message. No one has accused you of making up the surnames and birth dates and cannot imagine why you should think that. Gerry

Corinne > i would also like to know why or who cut it out of the message if you think i'm making all those >surnames and birth dates up you're mistaken. Messages are often snipped, simply because of saving space on the archives, if you look at the bit above, I have snipped part of your message and only kept the bit relevant to my reply. Are you new to the internet and researching? You might find it useful to have a look at the following URL www.genuki.org.uk this is a wonderful web site aimed at those researching in the UK and does include a useful section on getting started and using the internet. As far as I can see nobody was implying you were making anything up, There were certainly some interesting names...White Christmas and Blackfoot, Indian tribes? Perhaps you can fill us in on the details, it does seem wonderful that relatives may have left Wales and then later connect to Indian tribes?, this is all the wonderful attraction of this hobby. Do tell more...... Regards Julie List Owner list.owner@virgin.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 2001-25-Sep

Hi All. As i am searching for Gardners. Have any of you come across the Gardner's that lived in Cathays Cemetery? Thanks. Kaz.

Hello can someone please tell me what snipped in the cause of brevity means it was among the message in the Gen digest messages i would also like to know why or who cut it out of the message if you think i'm making all those surnames and birth dates up you're mistaken.

******** There are NO Attachments with this EMail ********* Arthur Kevin Williams, Formerly of Ruabon, Clwyd, Nth Wales. Posting My Interests; John Williams b. 1732 In Bistree, Mold, Flintshire m. 8 May 1755 In Mold,to Hester Howit. Margaret Barnett m. 5th September 1866 to William Williams. Arthur Williams b. 22 October 1867 In Chester, Cheshire, m. 28 December 1891. d. 27 February 1915. He Married Elizabeth Jones. Thomas Williams b. 1808 Cwm Flint, Wales. He Married Mary Campbell, of Rhuddlan. John Williams b. Meliden, Flint, Wales. He Married Elizabeth Brook(e)s, of Dyserth, Daughter Of John Brook(e)s And Ann Hughes. Marie Ann Williams b. 30 October 1879. She Married Hugh Griffith Jones, Everton / Anglesey, Son Of David Jones And Margaret Jones. David Jones b. 21 August 1834 Anglesey, m.18 September 1864 In Walton, Liverpool. d. 28 February 1897. He Married Margaret Jones, George Brook(e)s b. 1710, Dyserth. He Married Mary? Francis Brook(e)s b. 1739. He Married Anne Powell. Thomas Brook(e)s b. 1769. He Married Frances? John Thomas Brook(e)s b. 1808. He Married Ann Hughes. http://www.alba56.freeserve.co.uk/family.index.htm

This is being cross-posted, so apologies if you receive several copies of this! We have just started to send out a regular, monthly Admin posting as there seems to be a sudden splurge of subscribers to ALL the lists that are run between us (Carol & Julie), with many new to the internet, so, here are some basic suggestions for the newer members & reminders for the regulars **** Remember we're all living is different parts of the world and what is obvious to you not obvious to other list members. Please be patient and polite to fellow list members. Treat others as you wish to be treated. **** It is useful to indicate the State, County, Country of your research Eg: Alberta Canada, Wagga Wagga NSW Australia, Exeter Devon. If possible can the two letter abbreviations used in the USA be replaced with the full names. **** The more information you include in your question the more likely you are to get an answer and The more specific your question, the most likely you are to get answer. **** "I've looked everywhere", it does helps to mention where "everywhere" is so others can point you to new places to look rather than telling you to do what you've already done. ***** Consider using the Free Family Tree and We'll Meet Again Service, provided FREE by Carol of Tree Tops http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops By submitting a message to the various services Carol provides, you might find that missing link. Check out the web page for further details. Remember, when you have an elusive ancestor, anything is worth a try. **** I'd like to encourage people to send replies to the LIST rather than direct to the person The advantages of sending replies to the list: there's probably others that are interested in the answer, it might get a discussion and it lets others know if the question has been answered. **** Please remember the correct procedure for unsubscribing and subscribing. Send a blank email with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the body of the message. The address to send to is the address with the word request in it. EG treetops-news-L-request@rootsweb.com etc Please post from the address that you are subscribed under, otherwise the Rootsweb robot thinks it is spam & the posting bounces to us for forwarding. ***If you respond to an forwarded email please, please make sure that you reply to the correct address, and do not click reply to sender, otherwise Carol or I are swamped with the replies! **** Use suitable subject headings, especially if you receive the digest version of postings. Not everyone reads everything and often time dictates we skim read the subjects lines looking for something interesting or relevant. An email that says "My family research" doesn't tell us much. Another tip is to type SURNAMES in capitals, so they attract attention ****Remember ALL posts to Rootsweb mailing lists are archived, so it is always checking there. Following the links from the main Rootsweb URL, at www.rootsweb.com or from http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and then inserting the name of the list whose archives you wish to search. **** FINALLY, If you wish to post something to the list that is NOT specific to the list, For example new mailing lists,or details of commercial enterprises please send details to the admin address or either of us directly. ************************************************************************* To join the following MAILING LISTS just add on -L-request@rootsweb.com to the end of the Required name. ABERDEEN, BOER-WAR, CANAL-PEOPLE, ENG-LIVERPOOL, ENG-SRY-WSFHS, OCCUPATIONS, ONE-PLACE-STUDY, PRISONS-UK, PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS, STRAYS, TREETOPS-NEWS, TREETOPS-OVERSEAS, WALES-GEN. Surname Lists:- GOUCHER, HENTHORN, KENWORTHY. ************************************************************************* Regards Carol and Julie List Owners list.owner@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections Fax & Voice Mail (+44) 0870 130 5474 September, 2001. Amended October, 2001. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 2001-25-Sep

At 05:24 PM 12/10/01, Corinne Freethy wrote: >Dear Listers >I'm sending you my list of ancestors that i'm researching if you're also >researching any of the following surnames please contact me thanks. >My Mom's family History >etc. <<<snipped in the cause of brevity>>> Hi Corinne, I can't help you with those names, but it is really pleasant to see someone giving detail to their request for ancestor research as you have done. There is nothing more disconcerting that for one to put TAYLOR, Lancashire, or something like that without filling in the details. I expect you will find your connections in time. Cherrio and good luck Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi everyone. I have an apology to make. I said that I found this site; looking for your ancestors: http://www.pitt.edu/~pugachev/greatwar/ww1.html from Pam in Oz, when in fact it was Pat from Oz. Sorry Pat. Regards Heather

HI All. I am new to this list,and i am looking for my rellies the Gardner's who lived at Cathays Cemetery from 1861-1952. If anyone has heard of them or knows a Gardner,please get in touch. Many thanks. Kaz.