One of the earliest Wade families who can be traced forward to the present ( as opposed to occasional names on ancient documents) came from the Kilnsey area in Yorkshire. This was probably the birthplace of Armigal Wade , father of Sir William who was Governor of the Tower of London among other things. The Old Hall there has recently been restored after about 150 years when it was unoccupied and used as an agricultural barn. I was lucky enough to see it while in the early stages of restoration. The nearby church in Conistone has references to the Wades who lived in the area from well before the 1640s (when the Hall was rebuilt as it stands now) to c1740s and the parish registers record many Wade births and deaths from these earlier times as well. There is now a website with pictures of the Hall and surrounding area at http://members.tripod.com/kilnsey/ . If you want more info the owners can be contacted from that site. Hope you enjoy this look back in history of the Wade family ! Robert Wade in Brisbane

In reply to Gold's message ..... The family Coat of Arms is not restricted to the eldest son and his direct line of eldest sons.. As I understand the system, there are subtle changes which are made for the second and third son and so on. The eldest son of the second son then inherits the second son's CoA with that original subtle change, but no further change. However, while the original shield is unchanged for the line of eldest sons, even the eldest son has a variation which he can use while his father is still alive and therefore while the father is using the original family Crest in his own right. The other variation is that as the armigerous families intermarry, the crest of the wife's family is introduced into that of their eldest son, so that you get crests made up of two or more distinctive family shields. The sale of these CoAs in shopping malls is in no way restricted to outside the UK and colonies. You can find them all over the UK and in Australia. They have no doubt found a way around being sued by the College of Arms or the original owning family by making more minor changes. They thereby avoid being hung, drawn and quartered at the Tower or more appropriately in a Wade case, being put on the rack at the Tower like our forebear did with Guy Fawkes and no doubt other less well known traitors and heretics. Speaking from experience though, it is very frustrating to see someone trying to nick off with one's own! This is certainly a very complex area but somewhat out of place today. Unfortunately, The College of Arms appears to be struggling to find a role in this environment, based on my conversations with their representatives a year ago in London. Robert Wade ----- Original Message ----- From: Gold <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 6:25 AM Subject: [WADE-L] College of Arms > > Please note > > There must have been some sort of misunderstanding. The College of Arms > does NOT allow visitors to their facility according to Mr. Dickinson; I > asked if they did. It would be quite unusual for them to say that no one > can have a copy except the person who owns it. These are published in so > many different publications! And, colored copies, too. The College of Arms > probably meant that no one can "use" it unless they own it, which is true. > I cannot claim the 17th century coat of arms because I am not the person who > originally owned it, nor am I the first born son of the first born son of > the ... > > The only way someone other than the original owner can use a coat of arms, > is if they are a direct male descendent through all oldest sons. It follows > a specific pattern. Anyone else using it in England, or in an English > colony can be charged with something (I'm not sure just what!). We, here in > America, however, can do anything we want with them because we do not > recognize the English laws (you see people in malls selling shields with > coats of arms on them), although those who respect the coat of arms would be > more respectful than that. > > More can be read on how the College of Arms handles things, either at their > web site or through several books on "Heraldic Devices" at the local > library. I've read Oxford's Guide to Heraldic Devices and several other > books. > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > If you need help you can contact me "listowner" at this address > mailto:[email protected] >

Dear Wades, After my original request for a copy of the Wade Coat of Arms, Betty in Texas kindly replied by sending me copies she had obtained. I subsequently had a request to post these on the List, but was not able to do so as I got a message back saying the rootsweb sites do not accept images ( and various other scripts etc ). If anyone would like me to copy these to them, please email me at [email protected] and I will pass them on. There are several Crests owned by different Wade families, all of which feature 'sea shells' in the Crest. My understanding of this goes back to something I read some time ago...... that the reason for the sea shells relates to our forefather Wada who paddled across the North Sea in the late 700s to do a bit of the old raping and pillaging around the north east coast of England. This established the connection with the sea and many Wade families owe their surname to him. He was from the tribe of the Haeslings from the River Trave in what is now Northern Germany ( was in East Germany) and even today's maps show a place there called Wade which I believe may well have been his homeland but have not had the chance to research this. Wada lead a rebellion which included a Battle at Whalley in Yorkshire in 796 AD where the King of Northumberland was killed. This Wade link to the sea was also connected with the mythology of the sea creature recently posted and also 'Wade's bote' mentioned by Chaucer whenever it was he wrote. (I guess that was around the 1500s.) There is so much more to our name than just the 'dweller by the ford' ! My original Irish family had a Crest similar to the ones Betty sent and generally used by resellers of such items. It is connected to that used by Sir William Wade of the Tower of London. Georgia is correct ( of course ) in that each Coat of Arms is specific to a particular line of the surname, but the College of Arms and their predecessors, various nobility, who issued these things, made certain links and common threads between the arms of different families with the same surname. However, within any one family, the changes between father and sons or with marriage into another armigerous family were very specific. I guess if you were on the field of battle with knights in shining armour all around you, it was pretty important to recognise who was who without the benefit of seeing beneath their visors !! I am pleased that I didn't have to learn my Heraldry that well, as it seems to be a pretty complex subject. There are two slightly different Wade crests ( not in colour as Betty's are) to be found in Burkes Landed Gentry of Ireland and no doubt more variations in the British volume from the same source. The motto is ' Pro Fide et Patria'. Desciption: 'Az. a saltire between four escallops or. Crest- An arm embowed in armour, the hand grasping a sword, all ppr.' If anyone can translate that accurately I would be happy to have that too! The escallops refer to the 'sea shells' mentioned above. Also, the use of a rhinoceros head and /or horn in some crests is a connection to Armigal Wade, clerk to the court of King Henry the Eighth and father of Sir William. Any other info on these crests or early English Wades gratefully received. Thanks. Robert in Brisbane, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Wade <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Coat of Arms > If anyone on this list has a copy of the Wade Coat of Arms mentioned by > Glenn, either that specific one or another similar as there are more than > one in existence, I would also love a copy. Pls email it to > [email protected] > Many thanks > Robert Wade in Brisbane, Australia

Hi Rachel, What do you have on Edward WADE Sr. b. abt. 1727 and m. Mary CLEMENTS? Edward b. 1727 > David b. abt. 1747 > Edward b. bet. 1770 - 1774 is my line. Any info on Edward Sr. would be appreciated. Thanks, Eldon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 5:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Edward WADE in 1825 Hall Co GA Hi, Edward Wade Sr. is also my husband's line. He descends through Ann who married John Williams. Every family has this same tale of 3 (or some number) of brothers coming from some where and splitting up. I doubt very seriously if any brothers came to America and split up that much. One going to Virginia and the other New England??? Most families tended to stick together. Rachel ==== WADE Mailing List ==== Visit the WADE web page: http://members.tripod.com/WadeHome/

Hi, Edward Wade Sr. is also my husband's line. He descends through Ann who married John Williams. Every family has this same tale of 3 (or some number) of brothers coming from some where and splitting up. I doubt very seriously if any brothers came to America and split up that much. One going to Virginia and the other New England??? Most families tended to stick together. Rachel

Here is a web site where you can see and download the picture of a Wade Coat of Arms with the sea shells.. ....Betty http://www.designsofwonder.com/gallery/arms428.html

I would like copies of the Coat of Arms. Thanks very much Cindy Burgwin [email protected]

I have found this thread very interesting, especially the information Robert provided on the origin of the coat of arms (seashells, etc.) The only Wade crest I have seen is the one reproduced in Zada Wade Beadles' book "The Wades - The History of a Family." It does not appear to contain any sort of seashells: It is a shield, with a knight's armoured helmet above, some leaves or foliage around the shield, and a dove at the top, with what may be meant to be an olive branch in its mouth. Below is the motto "Vincit qui pattitur" ( possibly "he wins who perseveres"?) . Anyone else seen this one? According to the author, it is to be found on page 570 of James Fairbain's "Crests of the Families of Great Britain and Ireland," published in Edinburgh in 1860. (A copy is for sale on abebooks for US $260, if anyone is interested!) Nancy Wade Wilson

Robert, I would very muc appreciated a copy of the coat of arms. I also appreciate the information you have sent on the Wade's. Thank you, Peggy Gillespie [email protected]

I would like to second what Peggy said. Your messages were very interesting and informative. I, too, would like a copy of the coat of arms. I admit it - I've got one that was bought at a Scottish Festival. I want to compare the two. Becky Waid [email protected] --- [email protected] wrote: > Robert, > I would very muc appreciated a copy of the coat of > arms. I also appreciate > the information you have sent on the Wade's. > Thank you, > Peggy Gillespie > [email protected] > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > Visit the WADE web page: > http://members.tripod.com/WadeHome/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

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Kia Ora Robert, I forgot to mention that my family came from a town called Waterford Ireland, I dont know whether that is the waterford crystal area but I would not be surprised. I look forward to hearing from you. Nena Wade-Davis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nena" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > Kia Ora Robert. > > My Grandfathers name is Henry Houghton Wade, He was one of 15 children. His > Mother was Raia Rhind a maori women from Waikato NZ. His father to the best > of my memory was David Wade, but please dont quote me on this. > > My Grandmothers name is Lucy Te Kiwa Tainui-Wade also from Waikato. > > Are you familiar with these names? Thank you so much for replying to my > letter. I do think the USA Wade family is very interesting, and have enjoyed > reading about it. But I need to know more about where I have come from so I > can get where I'm going to. > > I look forward to hearing from you Robert and a big Kia Ora cousin to you. > > Arohanui. > > Nena Wade-Davis. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Wade" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > Nena, > > I have Wade family from Ireland and you are on the right site so don't > > unsubscribe. We are just outnumbered by American cousins but they are a > > pretty good bunch and Irish Antipodeans have some space here too. Which > > Irish Wades are you from????/ > > Robert in Brisbane > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: nena <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > > Greetings to the Wade Family, > > > > > > In my haste to acquire information on my Wade family from Ireland I > > > accidently subsciribed to the site thinking it was my family. > > > > > > Please tell me how to unsubscibe, I have tried just about everything. > > > > > > Thanking you. > > > > > > Nena Wade. NZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Marjie" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > > > > > Hi paul, I will search out that area again, Eldon according to the map > > on > > > the OK web site is in Briggs, Cherokee County, near Talhequa. Thanks for > > the > > > tip, Marjie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Paul Hathcoat > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:10 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Back to Genealogy, can anyone help me find my family in the 1920 > > > > >census of Oklahoma? Some tips of where in Oklahoma I might find > > > > >WADE's living. My grandfather Raymond was born in Eldon according > to > > > > >his SS Application. Father is Jeff (Jefferson) and Myrtle WADE. I > > > > >looked at ancestry.com's 1920 Cherokee County, no luck. Any help > > > > >appreciated. Thanks, Marjie > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marjie, > > > > > > > > I can't help directly, and I don't know where Eldon is. But by > 1912, > > > > my Wade family seems to have been in and around Tahlequah, Cherokee > > > > County, Oklahoma, in Northeastern Oklahoma. > > > > > > > > I don't have Jeff, but the way I might be of some help, is I also > > > > don't have the siblings for my great grandfather, Robert Allen Wade > > > > II. He was born 3 Jun 1860 in Franklin, Izard County, Arkansas; to > > > > Robert Allen Wade and Isabelle Phillips. > > > > > > > > My thinking here is that they probably had other children besides > > > > Robert II; and the times and locations seem like Jeff might have > been > > > > a sibling to Robert II. > > > > > > > > Everything I have on them is on my website: > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/paulh/WebCards/pr02/pr02_318.htm > > > > click on name for details. > > > > > > > > You might also note that the first several of Robert Allen II's > > > > children were born in Salem, Arkansas. > > > > > > > > Hope some of this proves helpful to you. > > > > > > > > Paul Hathcoat > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > >

Kia Ora Robert. My Grandfathers name is Henry Houghton Wade, He was one of 15 children. His Mother was Raia Rhind a maori women from Waikato NZ. His father to the best of my memory was David Wade, but please dont quote me on this. My Grandmothers name is Lucy Te Kiwa Tainui-Wade also from Waikato. Are you familiar with these names? Thank you so much for replying to my letter. I do think the USA Wade family is very interesting, and have enjoyed reading about it. But I need to know more about where I have come from so I can get where I'm going to. I look forward to hearing from you Robert and a big Kia Ora cousin to you. Arohanui. Nena Wade-Davis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wade" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > Nena, > I have Wade family from Ireland and you are on the right site so don't > unsubscribe. We are just outnumbered by American cousins but they are a > pretty good bunch and Irish Antipodeans have some space here too. Which > Irish Wades are you from????/ > Robert in Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: nena <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > Greetings to the Wade Family, > > > > In my haste to acquire information on my Wade family from Ireland I > > accidently subsciribed to the site thinking it was my family. > > > > Please tell me how to unsubscibe, I have tried just about everything. > > > > Thanking you. > > > > Nena Wade. NZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marjie" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > > Hi paul, I will search out that area again, Eldon according to the map > on > > the OK web site is in Briggs, Cherokee County, near Talhequa. Thanks for > the > > tip, Marjie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Paul Hathcoat > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:10 AM > > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > > > > >Back to Genealogy, can anyone help me find my family in the 1920 > > > >census of Oklahoma? Some tips of where in Oklahoma I might find > > > >WADE's living. My grandfather Raymond was born in Eldon according to > > > >his SS Application. Father is Jeff (Jefferson) and Myrtle WADE. I > > > >looked at ancestry.com's 1920 Cherokee County, no luck. Any help > > > >appreciated. Thanks, Marjie > > > > > > > > > > Marjie, > > > > > > I can't help directly, and I don't know where Eldon is. But by 1912, > > > my Wade family seems to have been in and around Tahlequah, Cherokee > > > County, Oklahoma, in Northeastern Oklahoma. > > > > > > I don't have Jeff, but the way I might be of some help, is I also > > > don't have the siblings for my great grandfather, Robert Allen Wade > > > II. He was born 3 Jun 1860 in Franklin, Izard County, Arkansas; to > > > Robert Allen Wade and Isabelle Phillips. > > > > > > My thinking here is that they probably had other children besides > > > Robert II; and the times and locations seem like Jeff might have been > > > a sibling to Robert II. > > > > > > Everything I have on them is on my website: > > > http://homepage.mac.com/paulh/WebCards/pr02/pr02_318.htm > > > click on name for details. > > > > > > You might also note that the first several of Robert Allen II's > > > children were born in Salem, Arkansas. > > > > > > Hope some of this proves helpful to you. > > > > > > Paul Hathcoat > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

----- Original Message ----- From: "nena" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > Kia Ora Robert, > > I forgot to mention that my family came from a town called Waterford > Ireland, I dont know whether that is the waterford crystal area but I would > not be surprised. > I look forward to hearing from you. > > Nena Wade-Davis. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nena" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > Kia Ora Robert. > > > > My Grandfathers name is Henry Houghton Wade, He was one of 15 children. > His > > Mother was Raia Rhind a maori women from Waikato NZ. His father to the > best > > of my memory was David Wade, but please dont quote me on this. > > > > My Grandmothers name is Lucy Te Kiwa Tainui-Wade also from Waikato. > > > > Are you familiar with these names? Thank you so much for replying to my > > letter. I do think the USA Wade family is very interesting, and have > enjoyed > > reading about it. But I need to know more about where I have come from so > I > > can get where I'm going to. > > > > I look forward to hearing from you Robert and a big Kia Ora cousin to you. > > > > Arohanui. > > > > Nena Wade-Davis. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Wade" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > > Nena, > > > I have Wade family from Ireland and you are on the right site so don't > > > unsubscribe. We are just outnumbered by American cousins but they are a > > > pretty good bunch and Irish Antipodeans have some space here too. Which > > > Irish Wades are you from????/ > > > Robert in Brisbane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: nena <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > > > > > Greetings to the Wade Family, > > > > > > > > In my haste to acquire information on my Wade family from Ireland I > > > > accidently subsciribed to the site thinking it was my family. > > > > > > > > Please tell me how to unsubscibe, I have tried just about everything. > > > > > > > > Thanking you. > > > > > > > > Nena Wade. NZ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Marjie" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:54 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi paul, I will search out that area again, Eldon according to the > map > > > on > > > > the OK web site is in Briggs, Cherokee County, near Talhequa. Thanks > for > > > the > > > > tip, Marjie > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Paul Hathcoat > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:10 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Back to Genealogy, can anyone help me find my family in the 1920 > > > > > >census of Oklahoma? Some tips of where in Oklahoma I might find > > > > > >WADE's living. My grandfather Raymond was born in Eldon according > > to > > > > > >his SS Application. Father is Jeff (Jefferson) and Myrtle WADE. > I > > > > > >looked at ancestry.com's 1920 Cherokee County, no luck. Any help > > > > > >appreciated. Thanks, Marjie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marjie, > > > > > > > > > > I can't help directly, and I don't know where Eldon is. But by > > 1912, > > > > > my Wade family seems to have been in and around Tahlequah, > Cherokee > > > > > County, Oklahoma, in Northeastern Oklahoma. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Jeff, but the way I might be of some help, is I also > > > > > don't have the siblings for my great grandfather, Robert Allen > Wade > > > > > II. He was born 3 Jun 1860 in Franklin, Izard County, Arkansas; > to > > > > > Robert Allen Wade and Isabelle Phillips. > > > > > > > > > > My thinking here is that they probably had other children besides > > > > > Robert II; and the times and locations seem like Jeff might have > > been > > > > > a sibling to Robert II. > > > > > > > > > > Everything I have on them is on my website: > > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/paulh/WebCards/pr02/pr02_318.htm > > > > > click on name for details. > > > > > > > > > > You might also note that the first several of Robert Allen II's > > > > > children were born in Salem, Arkansas. > > > > > > > > > > Hope some of this proves helpful to you. > > > > > > > > > > Paul Hathcoat > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > > > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > > > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

Please note There must have been some sort of misunderstanding. The College of Arms does NOT allow visitors to their facility according to Mr. Dickinson; I asked if they did. It would be quite unusual for them to say that no one can have a copy except the person who owns it. These are published in so many different publications! And, colored copies, too. The College of Arms probably meant that no one can "use" it unless they own it, which is true. I cannot claim the 17th century coat of arms because I am not the person who originally owned it, nor am I the first born son of the first born son of the ... The only way someone other than the original owner can use a coat of arms, is if they are a direct male descendent through all oldest sons. It follows a specific pattern. Anyone else using it in England, or in an English colony can be charged with something (I'm not sure just what!). We, here in America, however, can do anything we want with them because we do not recognize the English laws (you see people in malls selling shields with coats of arms on them), although those who respect the coat of arms would be more respectful than that. More can be read on how the College of Arms handles things, either at their web site or through several books on "Heraldic Devices" at the local library. I've read Oxford's Guide to Heraldic Devices and several other books.

Please note > The College of Arms is not a fly-by-night group such as you've read about > who take advantage of people by selling plaques with coats of arms on them. > > The College of Arms is one of England's most revered 'colleges.' They have > worked for the Kings and Queens since the Norman conquest and have awarded > all English coats of arms. The coats of arms that we are asking for are > the ones the Kings/Queens of England have allowed to be granted to past > xxxxxxxxxx nobility. > > For more on this, go to http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/

Thanks for posting this. I'm copying it for my records.

I'am searching for Annie [ Wade] White b. 1887 d. early 1900's during child birth she may have married a White or was adopted by a White family? she was born in Wetzel Co WV Littleton father Frank B Wade mother Emma S Porter. Thank You in advance. Donna Eli

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Nena, I have Wade family from Ireland and you are on the right site so don't unsubscribe. We are just outnumbered by American cousins but they are a pretty good bunch and Irish Antipodeans have some space here too. Which Irish Wades are you from????/ Robert in Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: nena <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > Greetings to the Wade Family, > > In my haste to acquire information on my Wade family from Ireland I > accidently subsciribed to the site thinking it was my family. > > Please tell me how to unsubscibe, I have tried just about everything. > > Thanking you. > > Nena Wade. NZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marjie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > Hi paul, I will search out that area again, Eldon according to the map on > the OK web site is in Briggs, Cherokee County, near Talhequa. Thanks for the > tip, Marjie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Paul Hathcoat > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [WADE-L] Oklahoma 1920 > > > > > > >Back to Genealogy, can anyone help me find my family in the 1920 > > >census of Oklahoma? Some tips of where in Oklahoma I might find > > >WADE's living. My grandfather Raymond was born in Eldon according to > > >his SS Application. Father is Jeff (Jefferson) and Myrtle WADE. I > > >looked at ancestry.com's 1920 Cherokee County, no luck. Any help > > >appreciated. Thanks, Marjie > > > > > > > Marjie, > > > > I can't help directly, and I don't know where Eldon is. But by 1912, > > my Wade family seems to have been in and around Tahlequah, Cherokee > > County, Oklahoma, in Northeastern Oklahoma. > > > > I don't have Jeff, but the way I might be of some help, is I also > > don't have the siblings for my great grandfather, Robert Allen Wade > > II. He was born 3 Jun 1860 in Franklin, Izard County, Arkansas; to > > Robert Allen Wade and Isabelle Phillips. > > > > My thinking here is that they probably had other children besides > > Robert II; and the times and locations seem like Jeff might have been > > a sibling to Robert II. > > > > Everything I have on them is on my website: > > http://homepage.mac.com/paulh/WebCards/pr02/pr02_318.htm > > click on name for details. > > > > You might also note that the first several of Robert Allen II's > > children were born in Salem, Arkansas. > > > > Hope some of this proves helpful to you. > > > > Paul Hathcoat > > [email protected] > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > > ==== WADE Mailing List ==== > Find out how you can help sponsor ROOTSWEB, visit: > http://www/rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >