Kate, In your third paragraph the letter indicates that they were in Hartford, CT. The north end of Hartford, CT is known to this day as the Meadowlands. It now houses a Theater, Convention Center, and a few dozen car dealerships. This is probably the area that the letter referred to. Steve -----Original Message----- From: vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kate Renner Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:13 PM To: VTWindso-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VTWINDSO] Meadow Lands area Hello! I am wondering if you have ever heard of an area known as the Meadow Lands either in the Connecticut River Valley area of either Vermont or Connecticut? I am researching my 3rd ggrandparents Simeon Williams and Tirzah (Knight?), hoping to find a marriage record and to determine Tirzah's maiden name. Simeon Williams was born in Stonington CT in 1763 to Samuel Williams and Lois Allyn. This family migrated to Hartland, Windsor County VT around 1780. Samuel's name is on the charter of Hartland and he and Lois are buried in the Center Cemetery in Hartland. Because Simeon's oldest child was born about 1786 in Vermont, I assume they married there but I have found no record of that or their children's births with the town clerk or at the Church of Christ in Hartland, which Tirzah joined in 1787. According to an 1896 family letter, "The Williams family ancestors were English, came early to America and located in Connecticut on the Connecticut River near Hartford, owned a large landed property in the Valley knows as Meadow Lands. They soon became numerous, wealthy and influential. Simeon (Dyer's father) was, I believe, the youngest son in his father's family. He married Tirzah Knight, the daughter of a wealthy neighbor, also an influential family, some of whose brothers held high judicial offices in Connecticut." I have not found any Knight families in that part of CT in that time frame. I have checked out several Knights in VT, some who held judicial office but cannot tie Tirzah to any of these families. I don't know if the letter writer who was 80 in 1896 confused Hartford CT with Hertford/Hartland VT or if there might have been a transcription error. I have investigated a few properties in CT with similar names like the Meadow Lands in Darien and Meadow Woods near Essex CT but these areas do not have the right families living there. Can you tell me if the description in the 1896 letter sounds like anyone or anyplace you know? Thanks so much Kate ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VTWINDSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Kate, You might try The Newbury area in Orange County Vermont. "Along the Connecticut River which girds the Eastern Boundary are some of the finest tracts of interval in the State.The Meadows are Oxbow Meadows, called also The Great Ox Bow containing 450 acres, and Cow Meadow in the bend of the Connecticut, Musquash Meadow south of the mouth of Harriman's brook. The Upper Meadow in the North part of the Township, containing about 300 acres, Sleeper's Meadow of 160 acres named after the first settler in town, who located here, Kent's Meadow, containing about 200 acres, where Isaac Kent ............, Hall's Meadow of 250 acres, named after its first..............., and Musquash Meadow, which retained its Indian name,.............., was born in Newbury. This Town might not have been inappropriately called The Land Of Meadows" Volume II , Abby Maria Hemingway, The Vermont Historical Gazetteer. Newbury; about 47 miles Northeasterly from Windsor, and close to the River just like Hartland. Regards PATRICK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Renner" <k8ren@comcast.net> To: <VTWindso-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: [VTWINDSO] Meadow Lands area Hello! I am wondering if you have ever heard of an area known as the Meadow Lands either in the Connecticut River Valley area of either Vermont or Connecticut?

Hi, all: There were places called "The Meadows" all up and down the Connecticut River valley, and on other tributary streams. I'm aware of several in my own family history, including in Ryegate, Newbury, Weathersfield, and Springfield. Saying a place was "on the meadows" or anything like that, and not knowing what town was involved, is about as precise as saying a place was "down the road a piece". The context of the quote is absolutely necessary to make sense of it. Darrell Darrell A. Martin a native Vermonter in exile in Illinois darrellm@sprynet.com

I seem to remember a couple women named Tirzah when I was taking the photographs of the Center Cemetery. Maybe related? Jim Avery **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Hello There was an area just south of Springfield, MA on the CT river below Longmeadow, Mass known as "The Meadows". Also, there was a Stephen Williams, who was the first minister of the Christain Church in Longmeadow.....when there were Indian problems.....Check out a History of Longmeadow. If I can help, let me know. This is my husband's home town area. Janet in Georgia. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Thanks, everyone for your helpful leads. I have looked at the Stonington CT area where Simeon was born and a local historian, Donald Malcarne, from the town of Essex CT, gave me lots of information about Meadow Woods near there. Lots of Williams families but no Knight families. And I have read up on an area near East Putney VT called Great Meadows near the CT river. There were a few Knight families (Artemas and Samuel and Jonathan) but not the right Williams family and not close enough to Hartland for that time period to make it likely. Tirzah, Simeon's wife, may have been born in MA, according to her daughter's census data in 1880 so I will investigate the Longmeadow area to see if there are any birth records for a Tirzah Knight (or Tirzah Dyer, her son's first name, or Tirzah Hayden, a daughter's middle name.) I greatly appreciate the helpfulness and deep knowledge of the genealogy community! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Lasure" <vtrealtr@sover.net> To: <vtwindso@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [VTWINDSO] Meadow Lands area > It refers to Samuel as being from Stonington, CT, in my copy of the > Hartland > Cemetery Records. That might be a clue for you. > ----- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VTWINDSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It refers to Samuel as being from Stonington, CT, in my copy of the Hartland Cemetery Records. That might be a clue for you. -----

Are you aware that Samuel & Lois Williams gravestones are online at www.hartlandhistory.org -----

I think this maybe either the Enfield, Ct or Longmeadow, Mass area. Lee From: Kate Renner <k8ren@comcast.net> Date: 2008/03/06 Thu PM 04:13:13 CST To: VTWindso-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VTWINDSO] Meadow Lands area Hello! I am wondering if you have ever heard of an area known as the Meadow Lands either in the Connecticut River Valley area of either Vermont or Connecticut? I am researching my 3rd ggrandparents Simeon Williams and Tirzah (Knight?), hoping to find a marriage record and to determine Tirzah's maiden name. Simeon Williams was born in Stonington CT in 1763 to Samuel Williams and Lois Allyn. This family migrated to Hartland, Windsor County VT around 1780. Samuel's name is on the charter of Hartland and he and Lois are buried in the Center Cemetery in Hartland. Because Simeon's oldest child was born about 1786 in Vermont, I assume they married there but I have found no record of that or their children's births with the town clerk or at the Church of Christ in Hartland, which Tirzah joined in 1787. According to an 1896 family letter, "The Williams family ancestors were English, came early to America and located in Connecticut on the Connecticut River near Hartford, owned a large landed property in the Valley knows as Meadow Lands. They soon became numerous, wealthy and influential. Simeon (Dyer's father) was, I believe, the youngest son in his father's family. He married Tirzah Knight, the daughter of a wealthy neighbor, also an influential family, some of whose brothers held high judicial offices in Connecticut." I have not found any Knight families in that part of CT in that time frame. I have checked out several Knights in VT, some who held judicial office but cannot tie Tirzah to any of these families. I don't know if the letter writer who was 80 in 1896 confused Hartford CT with Hertford/Hartland VT or if there might have been a transcription error. I have investigated a few properties in CT with similar names like the Meadow Lands in Darien and Meadow Woods near Essex CT but these areas do not have the right families living there. Can you tell me if the description in the 1896 letter sounds like anyone or anyplace you know? Thanks so much Kate ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VTWINDSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello! I am wondering if you have ever heard of an area known as the Meadow Lands either in the Connecticut River Valley area of either Vermont or Connecticut? I am researching my 3rd ggrandparents Simeon Williams and Tirzah (Knight?), hoping to find a marriage record and to determine Tirzah's maiden name. Simeon Williams was born in Stonington CT in 1763 to Samuel Williams and Lois Allyn. This family migrated to Hartland, Windsor County VT around 1780. Samuel's name is on the charter of Hartland and he and Lois are buried in the Center Cemetery in Hartland. Because Simeon's oldest child was born about 1786 in Vermont, I assume they married there but I have found no record of that or their children's births with the town clerk or at the Church of Christ in Hartland, which Tirzah joined in 1787. According to an 1896 family letter, "The Williams family ancestors were English, came early to America and located in Connecticut on the Connecticut River near Hartford, owned a large landed property in the Valley knows as Meadow Lands. They soon became numerous, wealthy and influential. Simeon (Dyer's father) was, I believe, the youngest son in his father's family. He married Tirzah Knight, the daughter of a wealthy neighbor, also an influential family, some of whose brothers held high judicial offices in Connecticut." I have not found any Knight families in that part of CT in that time frame. I have checked out several Knights in VT, some who held judicial office but cannot tie Tirzah to any of these families. I don't know if the letter writer who was 80 in 1896 confused Hartford CT with Hertford/Hartland VT or if there might have been a transcription error. I have investigated a few properties in CT with similar names like the Meadow Lands in Darien and Meadow Woods near Essex CT but these areas do not have the right families living there. Can you tell me if the description in the 1896 letter sounds like anyone or anyplace you know? Thanks so much Kate

Hi Lee, from page 150 "[334] A payroll of part of Daniel Comstock's Company that turned out on the emergency of March 22 and March 26 A. D. 1780. === Name: John Kelly Days: 4 Amount: 0.5.4 Miles: 70 Amount: 1.3.4 Total: 1.8.8. [my note: 1 pound, 8 shillings, and 8 pence.] Abraham Salisbury, Capt. * <excerpt> Pay Table Office, Oct. 5, 1781. Received of the Treasurer the contents of the above order in behalf of Capt. Abraham Salisbury and by his written order... Samuel Benton." ================================== pages 653 and 654: A muster roll of Captain Elijah Babcock's Company in Major Brown's Detachment now in the United Colonies Service, dates at Camp near Quebec, 12th day Feb. 1776. === Captain Elijah Babcock, engaged 26th Nov. 1775 on command at Montreal. === Second Lieutenant, John Kelley, enlisted 26 Nov. 1775. Prisoner in Quebec City. =============================== p. 832 THE LINE–Additional Crops (Green Mountain Boys) Enlisted Men: Kelley, John. ================================ "ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783", prepared and published under the direction of Major General Martha T. Rainville, The Adjutant General, Vermont, Camp Johnson, Colchester, Vermont, 1998, Volumes I and II. * Transcribed by, Janice Jordan Lee <cleewarriner@verizon.net> John Kelley, my 4th great grandfather, moved from Mass to Vermont...

This is an early Swan(n) line from my Richardson and the Mayflower soc. *M5* *Mary Pratt* Mary Pratt/ ^3 (Mary <cid:part1.00040609.09000501@mindspring.com>, ^2 Degory Priest <cid:part2.09040200.03040908@mindspring.com> ^1 )/, daughter Phineas and Mary (Priest) Pratt of b. Abt 1633 in, Plymouth, MA d. Feb. 11, 1702 in Cambridge, Middlesex, MA. She m. Cambridge March 2, 1655/6 *John Swan* [aka Swann], b. England ca. 1620; d. Cambridge June 5, 1708 in 88th year. He had married , first, *Rebecca Palfrey* in Cambridge Jan 1, 1650/1. She died July 12, 1654 The will of Thomas Bittlestone of Cambridge dated Oct. 30, 1640 names servant boy John Swan. On Jan. 15, 1701/2 John Swan deeded his homestead to youngest dau. Mercy Swan and youngest son Ebenezer Swan, after his wife's decease. No Middlesex Co. Children of John Swan and Rebecca Palfrey: -i Ruth (Swan), b March (1 or10) 1652 -ii Gershom (Swan). Children of John Swan and Mary Pratt: i Samuel (Swan), b: April 3, 1657 Cambridge, Plymouth, MA d: June 19, 1678 ii Mary (Swan), b: May 2, 1659 Cambridge, Plymouth, MA M18 iii Elizabeth Swan <cid:part3.08010408.05010600@mindspring.com>, b. July 14,1661 in Cambridge, MA d. Bef Aug. 11, 1735; iv Lydia (Swan), b: July 27, 1663 Cambridge, Plymouth, MA M19 v John (Swan), b: May 1, 1665 Cambridge, Plymouth, MA d: Bef. 1738; m Sarah Thompson b: June 1, 1670 Woburn, Middlesex, MA d: April 1738 in Woburn (Woburn VRs 2:186) vi Hannah (Swan), b: February 27, 1667/68 Cambridge, Plymouth, MA M20 vii Mercy (Swan), ~1670 Cambridge, Plymouth, MA d: June 23, 1748 Arlington, Middlesex, MA M21 vii Ebenezer (Swan), November 14, 1672 Cambridge, Plymouth, MA d: May 27, 1740 Arlington, Middlesex, MA "Mayflower Families Through Five Generations" Vole 8, 1994 by Mrs. Charles Delmar Townsend, Robert S.Wakefield and Margaret Harris Stover. Published by General Society of Mayflower Descendants, with with updates. LadyBonita (USA) wrote: > Janice: > > Was there any SWAN(N) men listed. I have a 'DNA Cousin' who's 'brick wall' > is William Swan WELLS b: 1811 ... Since our WELLS DNA matches perfectly we > know we have a common ancestor. We think there is a tie between my James > and William ... we thought maybe SWAN middle name may have been a maternal > line surname... or maybe a 'brother soldier's surname. > > Bonita > > -----Original Message----- > From: vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Janice J. > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:49 PM > To: vtwindso@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VTWINDSO] ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY > WAR1775-1783 > > Hi Bonita, > from pgs. 330 & 331 > "[136] A payroll of Capt. Abraham Salisbury's Company for service in the > year 1780. > * > Name: James Wells > Days: 12 > Amount: 0.16.0 > Miles: 73 > Amount: 1.4.4 > Total: 2.0.4. [my note: 2 pounds, 0 shillings, and 4 pence.] Abraham > Salisbury, Capt. > * > <excerpt> > Pay Table Office, Oct. 5, 1781. Received of the Treasurer the contents of > the above order in behalf of Capt. Abraham Salisbury and by his written > order... Samuel Benton." > === > p. 643 > A muster roll of Captain Elijah Babcock's Company in Major Brown's > Detachment now in the United Colonies Service, dates at Camp near Quebec, > 12th day Feb. 1776. Captain Elijah Babcock, engaged 26th Nov. 1775 on > command at Montreal. > Sergeant James Wells, enlisted 26 Nov. 1775 =============================== > p. 833 THE LINE -- Additional Crops (Green Mountain Boys) Enlisted Men: > Wells, James. > === > "ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783", prepared and > published under the direction of Major General Martha T. Rainville, The > Adjutant General, Vermont, Camp Johnson, Colchester, Vermont, 1998, Volumes > I and II. > * > Transcribed by, > Janice Jordan > * > <James WELLS definitely could be my guy. Bonita <ladybonita@usa.com> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VTWINDSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VTWINDSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Janice: Was there any SWAN(N) men listed. I have a 'DNA Cousin' who's 'brick wall' is William Swan WELLS b: 1811 ... Since our WELLS DNA matches perfectly we know we have a common ancestor. We think there is a tie between my James and William ... we thought maybe SWAN middle name may have been a maternal line surname... or maybe a 'brother soldier's surname. Bonita -----Original Message----- From: vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janice J. Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:49 PM To: vtwindso@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VTWINDSO] ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR1775-1783 Hi Bonita, from pgs. 330 & 331 "[136] A payroll of Capt. Abraham Salisbury's Company for service in the year 1780. * Name: James Wells Days: 12 Amount: 0.16.0 Miles: 73 Amount: 1.4.4 Total: 2.0.4. [my note: 2 pounds, 0 shillings, and 4 pence.] Abraham Salisbury, Capt. * <excerpt> Pay Table Office, Oct. 5, 1781. Received of the Treasurer the contents of the above order in behalf of Capt. Abraham Salisbury and by his written order... Samuel Benton." === p. 643 A muster roll of Captain Elijah Babcock's Company in Major Brown's Detachment now in the United Colonies Service, dates at Camp near Quebec, 12th day Feb. 1776.   Captain Elijah Babcock, engaged 26th Nov. 1775 on command at Montreal. Sergeant James Wells, enlisted 26 Nov. 1775 =============================== p. 833 THE LINE – Additional Crops (Green Mountain Boys) Enlisted Men: Wells, James. === "ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783", prepared and published under the direction of Major General Martha T. Rainville, The Adjutant General, Vermont, Camp Johnson, Colchester, Vermont, 1998, Volumes I and II. * Transcribed by, Janice Jordan * <James WELLS definitely could be my guy. Bonita <ladybonita@usa.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VTWINDSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, John KELLEY or KELLY is the only soldier whose first name starts with the letter "J" listed in the ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783, ©1998. Sorry, Janice Jordan From: "Linda Dabulewicz" <agony-acres@msn.com> I was wondering if the book lists James and Joshua Kelly/Kelley from Hartland Vermont.

----- I was wondering if the book lists James and Joshua Kelly/Kelley from Hartland Vermont? I know that James received a pension but I am unclear as to if Joshua did likewise. They both recided in Tunkhannock ,Wyoming County, Pa after 1823.

Oh, thank you so much!!! -----Original Message----- From: vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janice J. Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:49 PM To: vtwindso@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VTWINDSO] ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR1775-1783 Hi Bonita, from pgs. 330 & 331 "[136] A payroll of Capt. Abraham Salisbury's Company for service in the year 1780. * Name: James Wells Days: 12 Amount: 0.16.0 Miles: 73 Amount: 1.4.4 Total: 2.0.4. [my note: 2 pounds, 0 shillings, and 4 pence.] Abraham Salisbury, Capt. * <excerpt> Pay Table Office, Oct. 5, 1781. Received of the Treasurer the contents of the above order in behalf of Capt. Abraham Salisbury and by his written order... Samuel Benton." === p. 643 A muster roll of Captain Elijah Babcock's Company in Major Brown's Detachment now in the United Colonies Service, dates at Camp near Quebec, 12th day Feb. 1776.   Captain Elijah Babcock, engaged 26th Nov. 1775 on command at Montreal. Sergeant James Wells, enlisted 26 Nov. 1775 =============================== p. 833 THE LINE – Additional Crops (Green Mountain Boys) Enlisted Men: Wells, James. === "ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783", prepared and published under the direction of Major General Martha T. Rainville, The Adjutant General, Vermont, Camp Johnson, Colchester, Vermont, 1998, Volumes I and II. * Transcribed by, Janice Jordan * <James WELLS definitely could be my guy. Bonita <ladybonita@usa.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VTWINDSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bonita, from pgs. 330 & 331 "[136] A payroll of Capt. Abraham Salisbury's Company for service in the year 1780. * Name: James Wells Days: 12 Amount: 0.16.0 Miles: 73 Amount: 1.4.4 Total: 2.0.4. [my note: 2 pounds, 0 shillings, and 4 pence.] Abraham Salisbury, Capt. * <excerpt> Pay Table Office, Oct. 5, 1781. Received of the Treasurer the contents of the above order in behalf of Capt. Abraham Salisbury and by his written order... Samuel Benton." === p. 643 A muster roll of Captain Elijah Babcock's Company in Major Brown's Detachment now in the United Colonies Service, dates at Camp near Quebec, 12th day Feb. 1776.   Captain Elijah Babcock, engaged 26th Nov. 1775 on command at Montreal. Sergeant James Wells, enlisted 26 Nov. 1775 ===============================  p. 833 THE LINE – Additional Crops (Green Mountain Boys) Enlisted Men: Wells, James. === "ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783", prepared and published under the direction of Major General Martha T. Rainville, The Adjutant General, Vermont, Camp Johnson, Colchester, Vermont, 1998, Volumes I and II. * Transcribed by, Janice Jordan * <James WELLS definitely could be my guy. Bonita <ladybonita@usa.com>

Hi Bonita, Listed in ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783, 1998, VOLUMES I & II: WELLS: Benajah, Benjamin, Gary, George, Isaac, James, John, Joshua, and Oliver. Janice Jordan These VT soldiers were not my ancestors. <ladybonita@usa.com> Did you find any WELLS or WELLES or WELS or WILLS? Bonita

James WELLS definitely could be my guy ... Thanks Bonita -----Original Message----- From: vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vtwindso-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janice J. Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:02 PM To: vtwindso@rootsweb.com Subject: [VTWINDSO] ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783 Hi Bonita, Listed in ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783, 1998, VOLUMES I & II: WELLS: Benajah, Benjamin, Gary, George, Isaac, James, John, Joshua, and Oliver. Janice Jordan These VT soldiers were not my ancestors. <ladybonita@usa.com> Did you find any WELLS or WELLES or WELS or WILLS? Bonita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VTWINDSO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[113] [Scouts sent out from Windsor] The State of Vermont Dr to the inhabitants of Windsor for scouting done from June to September in the year 1778, per order of Ebenr Woods, Major. --------- Names: Levis Bishop, Seth Bishop, Jeremiah Bishop Days: 2 Steel Smith, Capt.<excerpt> --------- Recd. Windsor, Oct. 23d 1778, of Ira Allen, Treasurer, the contents of this account... Per me, Steel Smith. --------- Source is book: ROLLS OF VERMONT SOLDIERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR 1775-1783, 1998, VOLUME I, page 83. Transcribed by, Janice Jordan These VT soldiers were not my ancestors.