This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2AC.2ACI/1095.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: No, my grandmother, LIllie Hancock, was the daughter of Ellen Rider and Luther Hancock. She was born at Fowler, NY in 1863 and married William Ball. Her grandfather, Caleb Rider, was born in 1789 and was living in New York state as early as the 1820 census. I don't know if he originally came from Vermont, but he might have.