This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lindalathrop Surnames: Hooker, Gardner, Beardsley, Preston, Norton, Timmons, Schneider, Minor, Wadsworth Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.vermont.counties.rutland/4766/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Carol and all, Yes I remember your posting from before. I thought Stephen Gardner Hooker was the son of Samuel Porous Hooker. But several different people who have him in their lineage have told me basically 2 different things. That he didn't have a son named Stephen and/or he had other children that no one knows the names of. I had found the name S.P. and Olivia in the LDS records which had been entered by unknown people. As we all know, the info that we often find is not always correct or the right info. After being told that Samuel Porous Hooker couldn't or very probably was not his father, I kept looking. I then found and also had brought to my attention, the Stephen Shattuck Hooker whose mother was Eliza, a widow; older brother Silas and younger sister, Martha, who married a Baird. Martha Hooker Baird is very well documented on many family trees. I went through all census records and found Stephen S. Hooker, still unmarried in his 60's, living with his sister, Martha Baird and her children. No Mr. Baird though. So by process of elimination, Stephen S. Hooker is not Stephen G. Hooker's father. Very, very probably Samuel Porous is not Stephen G. Hooker's father either. Although there is a chance that my Stephen G. Hooker might be one of the unnamed children; but the times that they "might" have been born don't fit quite right. In the meantime, I found through online searching the obituaries for Stephen G. Hooker and his wife, Helen Nash Norton Hooker in the Chicago Daily Tribune. Both stated burial in Graceland Cemetery in Chicago, IL along with some of their children and grandchildren So I contacted the cemetery and sure enough, found Stephen G and his family buried there. I was able to get a copy of the burial card and other info including a letter written by Stephen G. Hooker's grandson, Jerome Beardsley Hooker, stating all of Stephen G. and Helen's children...ones dead and still alive at that time which was 1934. Their son, Edward C. Hooker, Jerome's father, had just died and was buried in Graceland. **The letter stated that George Graves Hooker, son of Stephen and Helen, had a son named Preston Nash Hooker, who disappeared a little less than 20 years before 1934 and had never been heard from again. This will tie in below in the descendancy listing.** So I started searching online on Ancestry. com and all the other genealogy sites including Rootsweb. Searched though online databases for IL state and much more. I was finally able to find out that we still had family alive that were descended directly from Stephen G Hooker, the same as I. I was able to find and talk to on the phone, a Robert Jerome Hooker, who was the son of Jerome Beardsley Hooker who died in 1966 and was also buried at Graceland in the family plot. We had a very long conversation in which he told me that Stephen G Hooker was born in Brandon, VT He gave me other info that he was aware of but said he couldn't remember who Stephen's parents were. But he said he had been told that we were descended from Rev. Thos Hooker. I also spoke with his 2 daughters, who are both right around my age (55). They were thrilled to hear from me and are going through all their old trunks where they know there are original letters, photos, etc. But most is very probably from the Beardsley family but hopefully some Hooker things will be there. Robert is now 78 years old, very healthy and very mentally fit. But he said that he and his wife and children moved to Southern CA back in the 1950's and didn't keep in touch with most of the other branches (cousins) that were Hookers. His great Aunts, Helen Hooker Moyer and Mercy Hooker, spinster, both lived into the 70's and were daughters of Edward C. Hooker and sisters of Jerome Beardsley Hooker. So, I know that Stephen G. Hooker was born in Brandon, VT in May of 1824. I kept searching and found a Stephen Hooker, age between 40 and 50, living in Brandon, VT in the 1830 Census. He had 2 sons and 4 daughters listed along with a wife but no names. One of the sons was in the age above 5 but less than 10 age range. Stephen Gardner Hooker would have been 6 years old in 1830. So the info Jean M.sent to the Forum/list is very interesting to me: Old Town or Congregational cemetery in Brandon Hooker,Dan---[broken][DAR:Daniel]died 10-1-1818] Wm G. died 10-1-1818 in 3rd year.[Sons of Stephen Abigail] Hooker,Daniel, died 2-13-1817 age 67 and I am wondering if these children that died the same day, were MY Stephen G. Hooker's older brothers and that the Stephen and Abigail Hooker listed as the deceased children's parents could be the same Stephen Hooker and wife in the 1830 census record. Also, could Daniel Hooker, listed deceased at age 67, be MY Stephen G. Hooker's grandfather. So, I am now looking and trying to find info about the Stephen and Abigail Hooker listed. Also Daniel Hooker. Here is the descendancy listing for Stephen Gardner and Helen, in case anyone is interested. My lines are in RED or * in front of number if color doesnt work here. *1.Stephen G. Hooker m. Helen Nash Norton 2.Alice G. Hooker m. Francis Wheeler Wadsworth 3.Harry Wadsworth 3 Francis Wheeler Wadsworth Jr aka Frank W. Wadsworth 2.Edward C. Hooker m. Mary G. Beardsley 3.Helen Hooker m. L.T. Moyer 3.Harry E. Hooker m. Anna Belle P. 4. Ruth E. Hooker 3.Mercy Beardsley Hooker, never married 3.Jerome Beardsley Hooker m. Mabel I.Timmons of TX 4. Robert Jerome Hooker 2.Chester W. Hooker m. Mary L. Schneider 3.Dorothy M. Hooker 3.Helen M. Hooker 3.Mary H. Hooker 3.Chester R. Hooker 2.Helen N. Hooker m. Eric Ringborg and moved to Sweden 3.Several children that I have names for. All in Sweden 2.Four other children who all died before age 14 *2.George Graves Hooker m. Nina Preston *3. Preston Nash Hooker aka James Preston Farrell He changed his name (notlegally)when heleft the Navy in early 1920's due to a scandal & moved to So CA where he never told my father or uncle his real name or kept in touch with his family back East. Also the ones who moved to CA never knew he was there. *4.James Russell Farrell m. Joan Rosemary Minor 5.Linda M Farrell m. Alan T. Lathrop 5. I have 4 living brothers also So if you have made it through this very long posting, I thank you and hope that someone might have more info so I can complete my ancestry and connect to the Hooker line that I belong to. All the best, Linda M. Lathrop nee Farrell/Hooker ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol McK To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [VTRUT] trying to find father of STEPHEN GARDNER HOOKER As was looking for Stephen Gardner Hooker, born in Brandon, I found the following in my Hooker notes -a query from you: "Stephen Gardner Hooker b. 1824 in Poultney. He married Helen Nash Norton and they moved to IL where Stephen became a grain merchant. I believe that Stephen was the son of S.P. Hooker of Poultney. I am not sure what the S stands for but it could be Samuel. Stephen's mothers first name could have been Olivia." At the time, I sent you the lineage on [Samuel Porus Hooker was one of the ten children of Samuel and Elizabeth Martin Hooker. He had a sister named Olive.] You have found evidence since that he was not the son of SP Hooker in Poultney, but born in Brandon. Do you still think the mother's name was Olivia? What I've found here shows a mother's name of Eliza. But whether this is the correct Stephen or not, I do think it is the correct family. They did seem to have a habit of using surnames as middle names, presumably relatives. [There was an Olivia Hooker the right age living in Saratoga in 1850 with a Chester Hooker] I found a Stephen Hooker living in Goshen, Addison county in 1850, so started there. [At least I'm guessing it was him, right name and birth year and Goshen is a neighbor to Brandon.] Eliza Hooker Goshen, Addison, VT abt 1777 New Hampshire Silas Hooker Goshen, Addison, VT abt 1807 Vermont Stephen S Hooker Goshen, Addison, VT abt 1823 Vermont Martha Hooker Goshen, Addison, VT abt 1823 Vermont Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Goshen, Addison, Vermont; Roll: M432_920; Page: 31; Image: 62. I kept finding references to Daniel Hooker, and everything seems to work out except for one glaring item: the birth year and middle name of the Stephen shown below is not the same. I would pursue this angle though, because though census does not tell relationships, it appears that Stephen, Silas and Martha could be siblings. As you will see from the excerpt from the book, he was still single and living in Goshen in 1855, which is consistent with your knowledge of him marrying and moving in 1850s. I could not find definitive proof of any more of Daniel/Mary Gates issue. It is possible that a sibling to Silas also married an Eliza/Elizabeth and had a son named Stephen, only this one born in 1824 with middle name of Gardner. 294. ELIZABETH SHATTUCK, dau. of Timothy, (p. 158,) b. in Littleton, Aug. 23, 1777, d. in Goshen, Addison Co., Vt., Jan. 23, 1855, at 77 y. 4 m. 25 d. She m. about 1800, Silas HOOKER, b. July 21, 1775, s. of Daniel Hooker and Mary Gates of Stow. He was a shoemaker, and, in 1803, settled in Brandon, Vt. He d. in Goshen, Feb. 3, 1846, at 70 y. 6 m. 12 d. HER CHILDREN, BY SILAS HOOKER, BORN IN STOW AND BRANDON. Mary, b. Nov. 16, 1801; d. in Brandon, June 15, 1803, at 1 y. 6 m. 29 d. Luke, b. July 2, 1803; m. March 9, 1833, Clarissa Wilens, and is a farmer in Bangor, Franklin Co., N. Y. Timothy, b. Ang. 18, 1805; d. at Brandon, July 27, 1815, at 9 y. 11 m. 9 d. Silas Gates, b. Nov. 5, 1807; a farmer, unmarried, in Goshen. Betsey Elizabeth, b. Nov. 5, 1808; d. Sept. 16, 1809, at 10 m. 11 d. Mary Shattuck, b. Feb. 1, 1810; m. Feb. 13, 1834, Torrid Ormas Buttles, a farmer of Goshen. They have three children. Stephen Shattuck, b. June 17, 1812; a farmer, unmarried, in Goshen. James, b. Aug. 17, 1815; d. March 8, 1819, at 3 y. 6 m. 21 d. Hannah Elizabeth, b. June 15, 1818; m. March 14, 1843, Edmond Goodnough. He is a clerk in a store in Brandon. Martha Sherman, b. April 30, 1821; unmarried, in Goshen. Shattuck, Lemuel,. Memorials of the descendants of William Shattuck : the progenitor of the families in America that have borne his name, including an introduction, and an appendix containing collateral information. unknown: unknown, 1855. Page 254 Daniel Hooker Note: Daniel was b. Littleton, MA & res. Brandon, VT (was a Rev. War vet) his father Jacob - b. MA 1691 Mary Gates, b. 6/28/1757; m. [int] 4/24/1775; resided in Stow, MA & Brandon, VT. Rev. War vet. Hooker, Daniel. Capt. Amasa Cranston's co.; company return endorsed "1776;" company probably belonged to Col. Eleazer Brooks's regt. [from: "Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors in the War of the Revolution." Vol. I-XVII. Boston, MA, USA: Wright and Potter Printing Co., 1896.] Name: Daniel Hooker Birth Date: 17? Birthplace: Massachusetts Volume: 83 Page Number: 161 Reference: Silas Gates of Stowe, Ms, and des. By Julius Kendall Gates, [et al.] Boston, 1907. (147p.): 19, 119, 121-2 Census: Danl Hooker Stow, Middlesex, MA 1790 Daniel Hooker Brandon, Rutland, VT 1810 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.