Thanks for the insight. Yes, Carl Axel Zandin is my grandfather and father of Ozwald and Gustaf(my father). Carl Axel was a marble polisher and the leader of the Proctor Band. There is much info in the Proctor Library about him and the Band. He was an accomplished musician who had immigrated from Sweden in 1892. His entry on the ship's manifest lists him as a "Professor of Music" and he was headed to New York City. I am not sure how he got to Proctor, but my guess is the "Recruiters" from The Vermont Marble Co probably were the cause. The rest of the family came to Proctor in 1893 and my father was born in Proctor in 1894. There is a daughter Regina (my aunt Regina) and a mother Ida Bruse Hansdotter Zandin (my grandmother). Ida died in 1907 at The Brattleboro retreat after a long stay. Her death was listed as "exhaustion from chronic mania". Ida's sister and brother in law had moved from Proctor to Washington DC at some time. In the 1900 census of Washington DC, I find an Ida Zandin listed as an inmate at St. Elizabeth's Hospital which is a mental hospital there. The birth date is 1 year different but the immigration date is about 6 years different. If this is my Ida, my guess is that she and Reginia may have gone for a visit and perhaps mental difficulties arose at that time. How she would have been moved to Brattleboro remains to be discovered. There is also a daughter of Karl, named Axelina by his first wife who had died in Sweden. Axelina married Charles Johnson and they and their daughter Anna are listed on line 236 of the 1900 census. Charles was listed as a marble polisher as was Karl. They later had a daughter Margaret who married a Gates who ended up in sales management for The Vermont Marble Co. In 1906, Karl and the 2 boys moved to Turners Falls Mass. Proctor/Rutland newspapers expressed surprise as to his leaving the Proctor Band. My guess is that he wanted to be closer to Ida who was at the Brattleboro Retreat at that time. Karl died of a heart attack on June 10, 1907. He is buried at the Aron Clark Cemetery there. Ida died on Sept 20, 1907 at Brattleboro and is buried at Fairfield which I believe is an un-marked mass grave area on the hill at the Brattleboro retreat. After Karl died, Oz and Gus went to Washington DC to live with their aunt and sister. They can be seen there in the 1910 census. There are so many missing pieces of this story. I welcome any ideas from others as to how and where to fill them in. Obiously the principals in all this have passed on, and the social stigma of mental illness was hidden from all. Only through genealogical research by my brother Robert and I have the pieces started to come together. Miles Sandin 301 Sandstone Circle Bridgewater, VA 22812 (540) 828-6874 msandin@sheltiesys.com =========================================== -----Original Message----- From: CHabes [mailto:cathabes@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:39 PM To: VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VTRUTLAN] proctor census 1900 This appears to be simply a boarding home. Hilda/Hattie Willman/Wellman seems to be supporting her small children by taking in lodgers. In later censuses, as her children got older, they supported her and she stopped taking lodgers. A husband is not in evidence although the censuses list her as married. Redfield Proctor Jr. was evidently a college student. Perhaps this was a location convenient to his college or he just wanted to be on his own. He was later vice-president of the Vermont Marble Company. Actually, with the skipped line, it is not even completely clear that he was in this household. If you are looking for guesses about why your father and uncle might have been in a boarding home without their parents, perhaps their parents/parent worked odd hours or were unsettled and relied upon Mrs. Willman to give the children a stable environment for getting to school and getting meals. There was an Axel Zandin living nearby but without his wife. Was this their father? ----- Original Message ----- > I am looking at the 1900 census for Proctor VT. Listing number 365 > includes 17 individuals. > Can anyone help me identify this group of people? Is this perhaps the > "Poor Farm" that I have seen referenced on some lists? > Any idea as to why Redford,Jr would be listed with this group? If it was > the "Poor Farm", would he have been involved with running it? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.663 / Virus Database: 426 - Release Date: 4/20/2004 ______________________________