Hello list, Does anybody on this list subscribe to Genealogy.com on-line census service and also would be willing to look up a particular family in both the 1900 and 1910 years for me ? I subscribe to Ancestory's service but they don't have indexes for those years. Jim Burke

Who is this query in regards to? Whose email is bouncing? n a message dated 05/03/2004 2:24:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maktranscriber@yahoo.com writes: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0AC.2ACI/2573.2 Message Board Post: Your email is bouncing and no one has been able to contact you for two months - If you value your status as a VT TC , please send an email to your VT SC or myself ASAP. Thanks. R/S MAK NENC EC Rep Researching the following names, mostly in(Vermont) New England and New York Wells, Gillen, Mooney, Bundy, Grant, Shortsleeves, Grimes, Lapan, Johnson, Page,Severance, Edwards, Patterson,Cobey,Secor,Magie Husband's Family Williams, Grube, Miller, Reen ,Barrett,Hanson,Hamel

Jim Burke, I have another means of a census look up, for those years. What is the -Name -State -County -and any other info you already know, which might be helpful in identifying the household you need a look up for? Diana Chapman Owen > Hello list, > > Does anybody on this list subscribe to Genealogy.com on-line census service and also would be willing to look up a particular family in both the 1900 and 1910 years for me ? I subscribe to Ancestory's service but they don't have indexes for those years. > > Jim Burke

Hello, Listers! I am going to attempt this once again. I have received help from many of you over the past few years and I am very grateful to all of you. I am still searching for more HIGGINS information. I am trying to locate the place/date of death for my great-great-grandmother, Susannah Elizabeth FARRELL, who married Jonas HIGGINS. He died 1895 in Rutland Town, and had lived in Ira, as did his brother. Their daughter (my great-grandmother), Bertha HIGGINS, married John GRAY in 1902. I cannot locate Bertha or the rest of her family (mother or sisters, Etta/Ettie Mae, Flora Belle, Jessie) on the 1900 Census. Her brother, Wallie, lives with their aunt, Mrs. Wm. HIGGINS (this was Susannah's sister who married Jonas's brother). Anyway, it seems the females of the family just disappeared. I do not know if Susannah remarried or what. My great-grandmother went by the nickname "Birdie," so it is possible that the other girls had nicknames or were married at this point. I know that in Rutland County there were two or three distinct HIGGINS families. In Addison County, there was only my line of HIGGINS, as far as I know. If anyone has a HIGGINS piece of data, please share it with me. It may connect, somehow! I am also trying to locate my great-great-great-grandmother, Margaret SEARS/HIGGINS/NICHOLS. She remarried in 1878 to Paul NICHOLS, but I cannot locate her on the 1880 Census. There is a Paul NICHOLS in Addison County, but he is listed as a widow. Can anyone add to my confusion and mayhem? :-) I'd love for you to try! Thanks and God Bless! :-)Ronie Kendig Texas ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 135 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0AC.2ACI/2576.2 Message Board Post: Hi Catherine, For vital record lookups contact Katharine R. Bergen, Wells, VT, Town Clerk PO Box 585 Wells, VT 05774 Tel: 18026450486 Fax: 18026450464 email: townofwells@adelphia.net Hrs. M-F 9-3 EDT. Cost per photocopy is $2.00 for noncertified and $7.00 for certified copy.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0AC.2ACI/2573.2 Message Board Post: Your email is bouncing and no one has been able to contact you for two months - If you value your status as a VT TC , please send an email to your VT SC or myself ASAP. Thanks. R/S MAK NENC EC Rep

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0AC.2ACI/2451.1.2 Message Board Post: DEBBIE, YOU REACHED THE WRONG PARTY. I AM THE REED/RIGGS-- SEAKER. JEANETTE

John, the newspaper that carried Mr. Griswold's obituary could have been the Fair Haven Record. Joan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0AC.2ACI/2451.1.1 Message Board Post: I would suggest you write to the Pawlet Town Clerk and correct the information as source documentation is very important when doing family research. The 1880 federal census usually did not give cause of death, however the state census may have. I would be happy to send you a copy of the source that I transcribed the death information from. email me at Lintm04@wmconnect.com

Many people in the vicinity were surprised and saddened to learn of the death Friday afternoon of Mrs. Ida Griswold Bishop the good wife of Geo. H. Bishop. Mrs. Bishop who was a daughter of Thompson Griswold a well known farmer near the lake, was a native of this town and a young woman universally esteemed for fine qualities of mind and heart. She was about 29 years old and until a few days ago when stricken with her final illness had been a remarkably active and healthy person. Her funeral was largely attended Sunday afternoon, the religious services being held at her late home and conducted by her pastor Rev. Anketell, rector of St. James' Episcopal church. The burial was in the family lot in the new cemetery and the following among her friends acted as bearers: William Brown, Eli Drake, James Jones, Daniel Wing. Again, I have only the clipping, not the name of the newspaper. John McCarty __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Many readers of the RECORD will regret to learn of the serious illness of Thompson Griswold, a well-known farmer and most excellent man, who is rapidly nearing the end of an honourable and useful life, the victim of an incurable attack of Bright's disease of the kidneys. Harvey Thompson Griswold died at home Monday of Bright's disease of the kidneys. Mr. Griswold has been in feeble health for a long time and although his death has been expected for some time, it was a shock to his many friends when it came. Mr. Griswold has been a lifelong resident of Castleton and highly esteemed by all who knew him. He was 65 years of age. The funeral was held Wednesday afternoon at two o'clock from his late residence and was largely attended. OBITUARY Harvey Thompson Griswold Harvey Thompson Griswold, who died Monday of last week at his farm on the lake road in the town of Castleton, was one of the best farmers in the town and a man universally esteemed for integrity and all the traits of character tending to make the kind and quiet neighbor and useful citizen. Mr. Griswold was born in Castleton July 4, 1833, and ended his days on the same farm which for many years had been the home of his worthy father, the late Harvey Griswold, and with the exception of a few years in which he worked at his trade as a builder with his brother-in-law, Frank Davis, in North Adams, all of his days were passed in his native town. His funeral was held from his late home the Wednesday following his death. Religious services were conducted by Rev A. Taylor, rector of the Episcopal church, Fair Haven. The burial was in the family lot in the Castleton Cemetery. The procession accompanying the remains was one of the largest ever seen in the town. F. E. Mascott had charge and the following were pall bearers: John Stephenson, Horatio Barney, Wm. Brown, L. Culver, Edward Sherman, Horace Moody. Mr. Griswold is survived by his widow, two sons and two daughters. Sadly I have only the clippings, not the name of the newspapers. John McCarty __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

More information would be helpful since early censuses tend to give numbers but not names or give limited information about people and their relationships. Time frames for location also helps with checking other kinds of records. For example, in 1860 there is a Betsey Willard, age 66, born in Vermont, living in Brattleboro, Windham county, Vermont with Theodore and Mary Green. No marital status or relationship to the family listed. The age is about right. Have you ruled her out for some reason? It might be a good idea to indicate a time frame, if you know one, for when the Willards lived in New York and when they lived in Poultney; children; and approx. dates of marriage and/or death if known. Likewise, for Jane Harsha, you won't, of course, find her listed by name in the early 1800 censuses. Possibly her parents would be listed on her marriage or death certificate. Does she have a connection to Vermont? Was she married, and was the marriage in Vermont? Did she die in Vermont? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McCarty" <bjmacc15@yahoo.com> To: <VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: [VTRUTLAN] LEIGH, WILLARD of Greenwich and HARSHA of Argyle I have had one of those WONDERFUL connections! I was emailed by another list member who also descends from Jane HARSHA and Joseph McDOUGALL! I'm still hoping for just such a miracle for Betsey LEIGH and Symon WILLARD. Their daughter, Rebecca Ann WILLARD, was born 1830/1831 in Greenwich, Washington County, NY - which was where Betsey LEIGH was born in 1795. Other than this I have no data for these two. The Betsey WILLARD of Brattleboro is the only likely candidate, but Rebecca Ann WILLARD died in East Poultney and the family clustered around Washington and Rutland counties. John McCarty __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Source, Rutland Vt.Daily Herald--Tues.July 10, 1934. PITTSFIELD, Vt. July 9-- The funeral of Frank Gomo, who died Friday while being taken to the Gifford hospital at Randolph, Vt., was held today. He and his mother had made their home here at Willard Byman's for some time. For the past few weeks Mr. Gomo had been working in Royalton, Vt. On Thursday he was taken ill with internal hemorrhages. An autopsy revealed ulcers of the stomach. Mr. Gomo was born 40 years ago on Hill ,N.H. During the World War he saw 17 months od service overseas and engaged in many of the battles. His mother and brother, George, survive him. The body was taken to South Strafford,Vt. for burial. Rev. A. G. Scambler had charge of the committal service. The brother, George, Thomas Desmond, Willard Byam (sic) and Randall Maynard accompanied the body. Maynard sounded "Taps" at his grave.

More information would be helpful since early censuses tend to give numbers but not names or give limited information about people and their relationships. Time frames for location also helps with checking other kinds of records. For example, in 1860 there is a Betsey Willard, age 66, born in Vermont, living in Brattleboro, Windham county, Vermont with Theodore and Mary Green. No marital status or relationship to the family listed. The age is about right. Have you ruled her out for some reason? It might be a good idea to indicate a time frame, if you know one, for when the Willards lived in New York and when they lived in Poultney; children; and approx. dates of marriage and/or death if known. Likewise, for Jane Harsha, you won't, of course, find her listed by name in the early 1800 censuses. Possibly her parents would be listed on her marriage or death certificate. Does she have a connection to Vermont? Was she married, and was the marriage in Vermont? Did she die in Vermont? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McCarty" <bjmacc15@yahoo.com> To: <VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: [VTRUTLAN] LEIGH, WILLARD of Greenwich and HARSHA of Argyle > I am searching for the families of Syman (Simon) > WILLARD and Betsey LEIGH (d/o John LEIGH?), b. abt. > 1795, of Greenwich, Washington County, NY and > Poultney, Rutland County, VT. I can't find them in > any US census - or anywhere! > > I am also searching for the parents of Jane HARSHA, b. > abt 1802, of North Argyle, Washington County, NY. I > have no clues here, either. > > Can anyone help me with these people? > > John McCarty > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > > ==== VTRUTLAN Mailing List ==== > There are TWO list archives, searchable two different ways. > This Archive is drawn from the digests of each list. > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=VTRUTLAN-L > Threaded Archive entries are drawn from individual posts. > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/VTRUTLAN-L/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 4/28/2004

I am searching for the families of Syman (Simon) WILLARD and Betsey LEIGH (d/o John LEIGH?), b. abt. 1795, of Greenwich, Washington County, NY and Poultney, Rutland County, VT. I can't find them in any US census - or anywhere! I am also searching for the parents of Jane HARSHA, b. abt 1802, of North Argyle, Washington County, NY. I have no clues here, either. Can anyone help me with these people? John McCarty __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Hi, Miles, I sure can identify. I have numerous puzzling arrangements in my families. Though it doesn't directly relate to your search, you might like to know that odd makeshift arrangements for children do not seem to have been uncommon. I had a great-grandmother in Rutland who had become a widow and gone to work as a live-in servant in a hotel. She apparently couldn't take her five-year-old son into that situation and didn't leave him with any of her relatives as far as I can tell. She later married a widowed cousin of her first husband, so her first son became both the cousin and the half-brother of my grandfather. However, this first son never lived with the family. He showed up in Rutland at age 20, and I have no clue where he was living all his life. However, based on the next story in this e-mail, I think he might have been "adopted" and raised under a different surname before resuming his birth name as an adult. Another relative lost her daughter and "adopted" a child in place of her dead daughter. This child, as an adult, resumed her birth name. When I contacted a surviving relative of the birth family, an elderly younger sister of the "adopted" daughter, the lady became absolutely incensed at the idea that her sister was "adopted". There was never an adoption, she said, and basically hung up on me. I'm really sorry that I upset her. I had no idea anyone might react that way to the word "adoption" but evidently there is some sad story behind it. Good luck in your search. Cathy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 4/28/2004

Thanks for the insight. Yes, Carl Axel Zandin is my grandfather and father of Ozwald and Gustaf(my father). Carl Axel was a marble polisher and the leader of the Proctor Band. There is much info in the Proctor Library about him and the Band. He was an accomplished musician who had immigrated from Sweden in 1892. His entry on the ship's manifest lists him as a "Professor of Music" and he was headed to New York City. I am not sure how he got to Proctor, but my guess is the "Recruiters" from The Vermont Marble Co probably were the cause. The rest of the family came to Proctor in 1893 and my father was born in Proctor in 1894. There is a daughter Regina (my aunt Regina) and a mother Ida Bruse Hansdotter Zandin (my grandmother). Ida died in 1907 at The Brattleboro retreat after a long stay. Her death was listed as "exhaustion from chronic mania". Ida's sister and brother in law had moved from Proctor to Washington DC at some time. In the 1900 census of Washington DC, I find an Ida Zandin listed as an inmate at St. Elizabeth's Hospital which is a mental hospital there. The birth date is 1 year different but the immigration date is about 6 years different. If this is my Ida, my guess is that she and Reginia may have gone for a visit and perhaps mental difficulties arose at that time. How she would have been moved to Brattleboro remains to be discovered. There is also a daughter of Karl, named Axelina by his first wife who had died in Sweden. Axelina married Charles Johnson and they and their daughter Anna are listed on line 236 of the 1900 census. Charles was listed as a marble polisher as was Karl. They later had a daughter Margaret who married a Gates who ended up in sales management for The Vermont Marble Co. In 1906, Karl and the 2 boys moved to Turners Falls Mass. Proctor/Rutland newspapers expressed surprise as to his leaving the Proctor Band. My guess is that he wanted to be closer to Ida who was at the Brattleboro Retreat at that time. Karl died of a heart attack on June 10, 1907. He is buried at the Aron Clark Cemetery there. Ida died on Sept 20, 1907 at Brattleboro and is buried at Fairfield which I believe is an un-marked mass grave area on the hill at the Brattleboro retreat. After Karl died, Oz and Gus went to Washington DC to live with their aunt and sister. They can be seen there in the 1910 census. There are so many missing pieces of this story. I welcome any ideas from others as to how and where to fill them in. Obiously the principals in all this have passed on, and the social stigma of mental illness was hidden from all. Only through genealogical research by my brother Robert and I have the pieces started to come together. Miles Sandin 301 Sandstone Circle Bridgewater, VA 22812 (540) 828-6874 msandin@sheltiesys.com =========================================== -----Original Message----- From: CHabes [mailto:cathabes@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:39 PM To: VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VTRUTLAN] proctor census 1900 This appears to be simply a boarding home. Hilda/Hattie Willman/Wellman seems to be supporting her small children by taking in lodgers. In later censuses, as her children got older, they supported her and she stopped taking lodgers. A husband is not in evidence although the censuses list her as married. Redfield Proctor Jr. was evidently a college student. Perhaps this was a location convenient to his college or he just wanted to be on his own. He was later vice-president of the Vermont Marble Company. Actually, with the skipped line, it is not even completely clear that he was in this household. If you are looking for guesses about why your father and uncle might have been in a boarding home without their parents, perhaps their parents/parent worked odd hours or were unsettled and relied upon Mrs. Willman to give the children a stable environment for getting to school and getting meals. There was an Axel Zandin living nearby but without his wife. Was this their father? ----- Original Message ----- > I am looking at the 1900 census for Proctor VT. Listing number 365 > includes 17 individuals. > Can anyone help me identify this group of people? Is this perhaps the > "Poor Farm" that I have seen referenced on some lists? > Any idea as to why Redford,Jr would be listed with this group? If it was > the "Poor Farm", would he have been involved with running it? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.663 / Virus Database: 426 - Release Date: 4/20/2004 ______________________________

Source, Rutland Vt.Daily Herald--Sat. July 7, 1934. EAST WALLINGFORD, Vt. Correspondent, Mrs. J. J. McGuirk. Mrs. Russell Archer and son, Earl, Mrs. H. A. Lockwood and Mrs. Eugene Spaulding attended the funeral of Mrs. Julia Archer Andrews in Chester Thursday. Rev. E. W.Johnson of Fair Haven will have charge of the service at the local church Sunday evening at 7:30. He will be assisted by a group of musicians from his church in Fair Haven.

Source, Rutland Vt.Daily Herald--Fri. June 10, 1910 PERSONALS. Mrs. L. H. Tottingham of Shoreham is visiting her sister, Mrs. D. C. Perce of Howe street. Mrs. Harold Shaw and son Robert of Castleton are spending a few days at the home of Mrs. Shaw's mother, Mrs. Catherine Brislin of Woodstock avenue. Mrs. Frank Beliville of Albany, N.Y., is visiting at her former home in Center Rutland. Miss Nellie Keller of Malone, N.Y., is the guest for several days of Miss Lottie Kramer of Cottage street. Mrs. Clarence O. Perkins and two daughters , Misses Louise and Henrietta Perkins of North Main street will be in Northampton, Mass., next week to attend the commencement exercises of Smith college, from which Miss Emelie M. Perkins will be graduated. Miss Margaret Ross of South Main street will attend the commencement exercises of Smith college at Northampton, Mass.,next week and will go from there to Waltham, Mass.,where she will spend a few weeks with her cousin, Miss Florence Ross, who is matron of the Waltham hospital

I now see Cathy has responded and she is much better at the census than I am. Re: Redfield Proctor, Jr., I don't think he is in the household. It looks like he was forgotten to be included earlier and they entered him just before the town of Proctor listings. That happened with my great Uncle Patrick Lucas in the Mount Holly census in 1880. _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/