The Rutland Free library has no one who can do look ups in any of their books. They are located at the corner of Court Street and Center Street. 10 Center Street, Rutland, Vt. 05701. Phone is 802-773-1860. Just up Center Street, on the opposite side of the road, is the Rutland Historical Society, corner of Center street and Nickwackett street. The Historical Society is open Monday nights from 6-9 and Saturday afternoons from 1 - 4. Phone number is 802-775-2006, 96 Center Street, Rutland, Vt. 05701. Did you give the first names and years you were looking for? >From: "Judy Turner" <jturner8372@charter.net> >Reply-To: VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com >>Patty, > >Thank you for the information on the City of Rutland directories. Do you >have a number for either or both locations so that I may contact them? I >live in New York and would need to make it a genealogy trip in order to >research these directories. > >Thanks Again Judy >> >From: Patty Pickett [mailto:nonnypatty@hotmail.com] >Subject: RE: [VTRUTLAN] City of Rutland Directories > >Rutland Free library has many of the directories in their collection in the >Vermont Room. The Rutland Historical society also has many of them in >their >collection. > > >From: "Judy Turner" <jturner8372@charter.net> > >> >Subject: [VTRUTLAN] City of Rutland Directories > >> > > >I am looking to find what years are available for City Directories for > >Rutland, Vermont. I saw a posting for the Benham Family for 1913 and I >am > >wondering what other directories are available and where are they >located. > >I am looking for the Benham Family and the Courcelle or Courselle Family. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Judy > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

Patty, Thank you for the information on the City of Rutland directories. Do you have a number for either or both locations so that I may contact them? I live in New York and would need to make it a genealogy trip in order to research these directories. Thanks Again Judy Judy Doyle Turner jturner8372@charter.net -----Original Message----- From: Patty Pickett [mailto:nonnypatty@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 3:33 PM To: VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [VTRUTLAN] City of Rutland Directories Rutland Free library has many of the directories in their collection in the Vermont Room. The Rutland Historical society also has many of them in their collection. >From: "Judy Turner" <jturner8372@charter.net> >Reply-To: VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [VTRUTLAN] City of Rutland Directories >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:39:10 -0400 > >I am looking to find what years are available for City Directories for >Rutland, Vermont. I saw a posting for the Benham Family for 1913 and I am >wondering what other directories are available and where are they located. >I am looking for the Benham Family and the Courcelle or Courselle Family. >Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Judy > >Judy Turner >jturner8372@charter.net > > > >==== VTRUTLAN Mailing List ==== >There are TWO list archives, searchable two different ways. >This Archive is drawn from the digests of each list. >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=VTRUTLAN-L >Threaded Archive entries are drawn from individual posts. >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/VTRUTLAN-L/ > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ From ‘will you?’ to ‘I do,’ MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married ==== VTRUTLAN Mailing List ==== There are TWO list archives, searchable two different ways. This Archive is drawn from the digests of each list. http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=VTRUTLAN-L Threaded Archive entries are drawn from individual posts. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/VTRUTLAN-L/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Rutland Free library has many of the directories in their collection in the Vermont Room. The Rutland Historical society also has many of them in their collection. >From: "Judy Turner" <jturner8372@charter.net> >Reply-To: VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: VTRUTLAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [VTRUTLAN] City of Rutland Directories >Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:39:10 -0400 > >I am looking to find what years are available for City Directories for >Rutland, Vermont. I saw a posting for the Benham Family for 1913 and I am >wondering what other directories are available and where are they located. >I am looking for the Benham Family and the Courcelle or Courselle Family. >Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Judy > >Judy Turner >jturner8372@charter.net > > > >==== VTRUTLAN Mailing List ==== >There are TWO list archives, searchable two different ways. >This Archive is drawn from the digests of each list. >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=VTRUTLAN-L >Threaded Archive entries are drawn from individual posts. >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/VTRUTLAN-L/ > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ From ‘will you?’ to ‘I do,’ MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mumford, Munford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0AC.2ACI/2616.1.2 Message Board Post: Mumford would be Munford in Ireland and the surname appears to be only in Co. Meath at the time your ancestors emigrated. I may be able to give you a lead on a possible location of Munfords in Co. Meath later in the week. Eilis O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0AC.2ACI/2616.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks very much for the response and information. I will get a copy of MacKay's book. From the research I've done so far I understand that cost of passage to Canada was much cheaper than to the US. Ireland was part of the UK at the time as was Canada so that appears to be another factor in that being the point of emigration. There were more ships from England to Canadian ports because they could bring lumber back to England and have a more profitable voyage. As MacKay noted, many of the ships themselves were actually cargo vessels. There were also landlords in Ireland who chartered vessels for estate tenants and sent them to Canada. Some of the estate owners paid their passage and others just literally shipped them off and they had to pay their own way, often winding up as indentured servants in Canada. Since the landlords often converted the tenant farms to grazing land for sheep and cattle (much more profitable and easier to deal with than the tenants), the tenants choice was literally to emigrate or die. Once they arrived in Canada and the US they literally had nothing to lose and were much more forceful in their approach than they were in Ireland. The rioting actually doesn't surprise me at all. There were many riots by Irish Catholics in the US too during the 1830s and even later. The Draft Riots in New York City and parts of upstate New York in 1863 were the worst riots in US history, far surpassing any of the Civil Rights riots in the 1960s for damage and loss of life. They threatened to burn the entire City down. New York State Irish even organised a march on Canada in 1866 to remove Canada from English rule. Eilis O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0AC.2ACI/2616.1 Message Board Post: Until the 1890s, immigration through Canada into the US was unregulated. Records were not kept at a national or local level. As the NARA website states, many immigrants chose this route to avoid US immigration inspection. Convenient for them but not much help to us as their descendants! NARA does have records, known as the "St. Albans List" of immigrants from Canada through St. Albans starting in 1895. "Flight From Famine: The Coming of the Irish to Canada" by Donald MacKay does not list names but is a good book to read about background information that may pertain to the Irish immigrants who eventually ended up in Rutland. I recommend it. Below are a few quotes that I found interesting since my Mumford family may have immigrated through Canada and arrived in Rutland county in the 1830s. MacKay quotes from the weekly logs of the Emigration Agent for 1836 and 1837: 1836, week ending Aug 6 - ...very many (immigrants) are induced to go to the United States, owing to exaggerated accounts of wages given them on the numerous railroads and canals at present in construction. 1836, week ending Aug 13 - ...Very many of the Irish have gone to the States ... 1837, week ending May 20 - Some ... have gone to the United States, notwithstanding the unfavorable accounts received from there, and the utter impossibility of persons of the working class obtaining employment. MacKay notes that, as more Irish Catholics immigrated to Canada, sectarian violence increased from about 1835 to 1837, Irish Catholics rioting with both Irish Protestants and French-Canadians. Perhaps this was another reason that the Irish moved on to the States, perhaps to Rutland. MacKay also describes the voyage of the Irish to Canada. "...In normal years the bulk of the emigrants, as letters and diaries suggest, found the voyage more uncomfortable and tedious than horrendous..." (p2l2) Seasickness and storms seemed to be the biggest problems. But emigrants sometimes suffered far worse privations and illnesses, according to MacKay. Water was bad, food ran out, many died at sea or at Grosse Isle of fever, typhus and cholera. "...Speculators chartered steerage space at the cheapest price they could and sent commission agents into the countryside to recruit as many emigrants as possible to fill the space. These men...spun fanciful yarns of shipboard facilities, often claiming the vessels were twice as big as they actually were, and glibly assuring potential passengers that the voyage would be short, three weeks at most.. and a kindly captain would look after their needs like a father. " ... There were complaints of ships failing by as much as a month to meet their advertised departure dates, which meant emigrants (waiting in the ports) had to exhaust whatever savings they had put aside to start their new lives." (pl99) "Few emigrant ships had been built to carry passengers. Most were aging cargo vessels, three-masted barks and two-masted brigs, the workhorses of the North Atlantic, vessels of 350 tons or less with holds so shallow and wide that unless they were well loaded with ballast they rolled like a drunk in the slightest seaway ... "... Once a ship discharged its timber, loose boards were laid over the bilges as temporary flooring and rows of rough berths little bigger than dog kennels were fitted in place and covered with straw for bedding. A couple of rickety wooden privies nailed to the foredeck scuppers completed the transformation from timber drogher to emigrant ship, where hundreds of women, men and children were fated to live for at least a month and a half, and sometimes as long as three months if contrary winds blew a ship off course. Even in fine weather with the hatches off there was little light or ventilation. but in rough weather with hatches battened the steerage was like a dungeon lit with smoky kerosene lamps and filled with a fog of sweat, spilled chamber pots, rotting scraps of food. and the vomit of seasick humanity. All around lay luggage, bags, sacks and boxes. No effort was made to segregate unmarried women from the men until the 1850s." (pl99)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0AC.2ACI/2616 Message Board Post: Is anyone aware of any local records in locations in Rutland County for Irish emigrants who crossed the US border from Canada beginning in 1845? Would there have been any other US national records which were compiled locally for those emigrants who arrived in Rutland County other than US census records for the county and local vital records? Thanks in advance for any help. Eilis O'Hara

Source, Rutland Vt.Daily Herald--Mon.July 11, 1938. RUTLAND, Vt. Mrs. Alvira (Rich) Scofield, wife of the late Charles E. Scofield, died Saturday afternoon at the Old Ladies Home on Main street after a short illness. The body was taken late yesterday afternoon to the home of her son,, Edgar H. Scofield of 157 Ives street, Rutland, Vt. Funeral services for Mrs. Scofield will be held tomorrow at her son's home at 2:30 o'clock. Burial will follow in Evergreen Cemetery. Mrs. Scofield was born in Brandon, Vt., May 16, 1850, daughter of Edwin and Alvira (Willson) Rich. She lived all her life in the vicinity. She was a member of the Baptist church. Besides her son, she is survived by two daughters, Mrs. Charles T. Brown and Mrs. G. Walter Oakman and six grandchildren, all of this city .

Source, Rutland Weekly Herald--27 July 1805. Married in this town (Rutland), Mon.eve. Last, by Rev. Ball, Ira Manly of Dorset, Miss Dorcas Hale of Rutland.

Is anyone researching the family of John McDonald b. c1756, MA? Served in RW in MA. militia. I believe he had sons John b. c1782 m. Mary Clemen(t)s, Christopher b. 1788 m. Sally SNOW, and Benjamin. I believe John had (1) Eli b. c1808 m/1 Roxann, m/2 Jane REYNOLDS; (2) James b. c1812 m. Esther ELLIS; (3) possibly Lucretia b. 1813 m. Elijah PAUL, son of Samuel; (4) John b. c1826 - possibly others. Eli and Roxann had James b. c1833 m. Ellen (--?--), Harry and Harriet b. c1836, Louisa b. c1839, Lucius b. c1840. Christopher and Sally (SNOW) McDonald had Mary b. 1815 m. Silas BUMP, son of Daniel; other children unknown. James and Esther had James W. b. c1844, Albert b. c1850, Adam (?) b. c1852, Moses b. c1844, Frank b. c1858. Family is sometimes listed as McDANIELS in census. Any assistance appreciated. Marilyn in Michigan

Source, Rutland (Vt) Weekly Herald--9 July 1803. Rutland (Vt), William T. Hall, merchant, was killed by bursting cannon on 4 July, 32 nd yr. People gathered at Courthouse to hear oration by Capt. Samuel Walker. At sundown a cannon, formerly used in the Revolution at the fort in Pittsford, was discharged. It burst with a violent explosion. Hall's head was blown off. George Down was seriously injured in head and breast. Several others slightly wounded. Hall survived by a widow and two children and was buried on Tues. [ Another newspaper states Hall formerly resided in Manchester, Vt.]

Source, Rutland (Vt) Weekly Herald--7 Jan. 1804. Married this town (Rutland), George R. Bissel, Miss Betsey Avery of Bridgewater.

Source, Rutland Weekly Herald--30 July 1803. Tinmouth, Eli Beebe, Jr. says his wife, Sally, has eloped from his bed and board. 20 Aug. 1803. Tinmouth, Eli Beebe, Jr., wife , Sally, has left him.

I am looking to find what years are available for City Directories for Rutland, Vermont. I saw a posting for the Benham Family for 1913 and I am wondering what other directories are available and where are they located. I am looking for the Benham Family and the Courcelle or Courselle Family. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Judy Judy Turner jturner8372@charter.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0AC.2ACI/2573.3 Message Board Post: Tim, Where did the family live in Washington Co., NY? Eilis O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0AC.2ACI/2575.1 Message Board Post: Traci, Civil registration didn't begin in Ireland until 1864 and wasn't mandatory until 1880 so the likelihood there would have even been a birth certificate is slim. I've done quite a bit of research on Irish emigrants in the US who emigrated thru both Canadian and US ports and haven't found any information so far on birth certificates being collected. That's part of the problem with people in the US trying to find where there ancestors were from in Ireland -- lack of documentation. It's a problem too for those of us from Ireland who are trying to find out what happened to many of the emigrants in the US. There's not much of a paper trail. It would have been wonderful if the US had collected that information. I've checked naturalisation papers too for those who applied for US citizenship during the 1800s and so far have found no documentation included with those. There was little detail on emigrants point of origination in Ireland in those records until closer to the turn of the twentieth century but all the information I've found so far is just the emigrant's verbal statements about where they originated. I would be very interested in knowing if you ever do find that Irish birth certs were taken at some US port where it was. Eilis O'Hara

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Peck Mallory Scoins Whitney Torell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0AC.2ACI/2540.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Perhaps this is the family you are looking for. However all were born in CT. I would like to know what information you have. Charles was my gggrandfather. 1850 U.S. Census • Connecticut • New London • New London Peck, Lyman age 34 Lucretia age 32 Lucretia age 9 Amos 7 Chas 4 Flora 1 [There was another girl Abbie maybe born after Flora]

I am hoping someone can help me find out what convalescent homes where in the town of Chittenden around 1951. My great grandmother Angeline Martin Benham's obit in the Rutland newspaper stated she died in a Chittenden Convalescent Home. Her death certificate states that the home was located in Chittenden, Rutland County. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Judy Judy Doyle Turner jturner8372@charter.net

Joan, I would like to thank you for your recent posting of the obit for my grandparents and great-great uncle. The information provided in the obit gave me several new leads. Would it be possible for you or someone else on the list to check in the future when they have time for the funeral notices for these individuals. I am hoping that it may list the pallbearers and or other relatives in attendance for the funeral. Eugene Benham obit in the paper July 11, 1938 with a funeral date of July 12th (I assume a funeral notice will be on or around the 13th) Arthur L Benham obit in the paper May 14, 1946 with the funeral listed for May 16th (I assume a funeral notice will be on or around the 17th) Angeline Martin Benham obit in the paper Jan 22, 1951 with the funeral listed for that day Jan 22 (I assume a funeral notice will be on or around the 23rd). Thank you again for the information you have provided. Judy Judy Doyle Turner jturner8372@charter.net

Source, Rutland Vt.Daily Herald--Wed.Apr.1, 1914. FORMER MENDON RESIDENT DEAD. Mrs. Marcia Longley , formerly of Mendon, Vt., died yesterday morning after several months' illness with cancer of the liver, at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Stillman Stoddard of Stockbridge, Vt. Mrs. Longley was born in Mendon, Vt. January 9, 1839, but had spent the greater part of her life in Stockbridge, Vt. She is survived by three daughters, Mrs. W. J. Ranger of Mendon, Vt.,Mrs. W. A. Packard of Rutland, Vt. and Mrs. Stoddard of Stockbridge, Vt, two sons, Harley and Edward of Stockbridge, Vt. and two brothers, Edward Eggleston of Rutland, Vt. and James Eggleston of Mendon, Vt. The funeral will be held Thursday noon at the residence of her daughter in Stockbridge, Vt.