I am new to the list and genealogy, so am hoping for some help and advice. I have recently been sent information from my mother done by her cousin and I am having trouble deciphering her way of writing it out. So here goes. My gg-grandfather is Charles Henry Gay b May 29 1837 in Cleveland Ohio d 6-15-1915 m 2nd wife Alice Theresa Sutcliffe 12-26-1874 My ggg-grandfather, was Joseph Gay b 9-4-1805 in Randolph, Orange County, Vermont m Eunice Story 1849 My gggg-grandfather was Rufus Gay. This is where I am really confused. Her papers seem to be saying that Calvin Gay & Naomi had a Rufus born in 1769 and then another Rufus born in 1776/1777. Then she goes on to say that Rufus Gay Jr. born 1776/1777 is the son of Rufus Gay Sr. b 1769. This would make Rufus Sr. less than 10 at time of his sons birth but that does not explain the fact they both have the same parents. I am trying to figure if it is one Rufus between Joseph Gay and Calvin Gay or two. Calvin Gay was married to a Naomi Frizzle. If there is anyone who knows about this family I would be most thankful for any help or leads in the right direction. Wendy Weisinger [email protected]