Forwarding to the list. Make sure posts on queries go to the list and not to me, this will increase the chance for more answers. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: johnrclarke_ga [mailto:johnrclarke_ga@email.msn.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 9:38 AM To: debj@comsys.net Subject: GROSVENOR, Fairfax, Franklin County (1790-1820) Good Morning, I think I did not introduce myself when I first joined this list several months ago and this seems like a good opportunity to do so. I am John R. Clarke of Thomasville, GA and my wife, Gail GROSVENOR, is the daughter of Richard B. GROSVENOR and Sarah Louise BRANDEL of Piqua, Miami County, OH and later of Decatur, Dekalb County, GA. My wife's GROSVENOR ancestors generally lived in the Miami and Shelby County areas of Ohio but we feel that some of their ancestors may have come from Fairfax, Franklin County, VT. Here is a short synopsis of what we know about these GROSVENOR ancestors from VT and their relationship to those GROSVENOR's in Miami and Shelby County, OH. First, my wife's family had always stated their GROSVENOR ancestors "came from NY" but nobody originally comes from NY except possibly Native Americans or the Dutch settlers who settled on Manhattan Island. We also knew that one of her ancestors was named "Nathan GROSVENOR" and he would have been of age to be admitted to the church in 1812 because we had his Prayer Book with his name and this date inscribed within it. We also knew these GROSVENOR's had to come originally from CT, which was the home place for most of the GROSVENOR family. We also knew that at the end of the Revolutionary War a lot of families immigrated from their original locations and this accelerated in the early years of the 19th Century. What I also knew about this family was they were Methodist -- always had been for as long as anyone could remember. I also knew that Fran Lamont had done some serious research on the GROSVENOR family and one of the few GROSVENOR's that were Methodist were the descendents of Leicester GROSVENOR of Fairfax, Franklin, Vt. We also knew that some of Leicester's descendents were located throughout Miami County, OH and they had lived there since around 1820, yet one of these had done a little genealogical work and told my wife's father (in the 1940's) they were not related to "his GROSVENORS." I was later to find this was not true. So, here is what we believe and what public records and censuses have shown us so far We feel that Nathan GROSVENOR (1796-1846), my wife's 3rd great-grandfather, was the oldest son of Richard GROSVENOR (1765-1838), a son of Leicester GROSVENOR, Jr. and Esther WELD, and Rebecca GLOYD of Fairfax, Franklin County, VT. Richard, a younger brother of Theophilus GROSVENOR, from whom the other GROSVENOR's of Miami County, OH generally descend, we later found died and was buried in Stockton, Chautauqua County, NY. Was this our "NY Connection?" Subsequent research has shown there was indeed a family tie to Stockton, Chautauqua County, NY. When we closely examined the 1849 probated Will of Launson GROSVENOR (1800-1848), who is buried right next to Nathan and several of Nathan's children in Walkup Cemetery, Shelby County, OH, this Will proved Launson must be Nathan's brother because he left much of his estate to Nathan's widow, Catharine, as well as to a Serepta THOMPSON of, guess where, Stockton, NY. The attorney who probated Launson's Will in 1849 was none other than Daniel GROSVENOR, a son of Theophilus GROSVENOR and probably a first cousin to both Nathan, Launson, Clarissa, Lucy and Serepta. Other pieces of this puzzle? We also knew that one of Nathan's daughters, Lucy, had been a student of an A. C. BLISS in 1839 but who was this BLISS fellow? Looking through the list of those persons buried at Walkup Cemetery in Shelby County, OH we found a "Lucy BLISS, wife of A.C" buried at that cemetery. Then after a little more research we found a that Lucy Laphronia GROSVENOR married a Dr. Alvin Crissey BLISS and they were from, guess where, Stockton, Chautauqua County, NY. Another piece of the puzzle. By then we had started to get all of the players in this rather fragmented puzzle together in three places -- Miami and Shelby County, OH -- Stockton, Chautauqua County, NY and from there to their roots in Fairfax, Franklin County, VT. So here is what we know or believe about the descendents of Richard GROSVENOR and the time line of their movements: Children of Richard GROSVENOR and Rebecca GLOYD as we know believe them to be: Clarissa (born 1793 and who married Alvin CRISSEY), Nathan (born 27 Nov 1796 and who married a Catharine "M."), Launson (born 14 Mar 1800 who never married), Serepta (possibly a twin of Launson who was born 1800 and who married Chester THOMSPON) and Lucy (who born 7 Sep 1807 and married Dr. Alvin Crissey BLISS). These birth dates were computed from their age as listed on their tombstones, if known. In fact, Serepta may well have been born in 1799 and Launson in either 1800 or 1801 because the 1800 Fairfax, Franklin County, VT census lists two girls under 10 (Clarissa and Serepta) and one boy (Nathan) under 10. Since we know that Lucy was not born until 1807 then Launson may well have been born in either in 1800 or in 1801 and neither would have been picked up on the 1800 census. We also know that Leicester GROSVENOR, Jr. died in 1808 and it is about this point that "our GROSVENOR's" disappear from Fairfax, Franklin County, VT. The Indian raids during the War of 1812 may have played no small part in their decision to seek a safer location, such a NY state. They may have stayed on as long as 1825 when Rebecca Gloyd GROSVENOR died and is buried in Carroll Hill Cemetery, Fairfax, Franklin, VT but regardless they are in Stockton, Chautauqua County, NY by 1830 when Nathan GROSVENOR is picked up on the 1830 Stockton census. We also know that Nathan GROSVENOR and family were living in Springcreek TWP, Miami County, OH in the 1840 Ohio Census, living right next to Samuel L. GROSVENOR a brother of Daniel GROSVENOR, an attorney who lived in Troy, OH. We also know that Alvin C. BLISS was also living nearby in Staunton TWP so the whole family, with the exception of Serepta and Clarissa, is living in Miami County, OH by 1840. Property records also indicate that Nathan purchased 111 acres located in Shelby County from Daniel GROSVENOR in 1844 and moved to McLean TWP, Shelby County, OH where he died several years later at age 49 and Launson several years afterwards at age 48. This is my best estimate of the time line of the movements of my wife's particular family: Before 1790 - Promfret, CT > 1790 to 1810 - Fairfax, Franklin County VT > 1810 to 1838 - Chautauqua County, NY > 1838-1844 - Miami County, OH > 1844 to 1858 - Shelby County, OH > 1858 to 1871 - Macon County, IL > 1871 to 1910 - Shelby County, OH > 1910 to 1950 - Piqua, Miami County, OH > 1950 to the present - Decatur, Dekalb County, GA. The one piece of this puzzle we are missing is the surname of Nathan's wife, a "Catharine M. GROSVENOR" (1799-1883) although we feel they were married around 1827 because their first child, John Allen GROSVENOR, was born in 1828. I feel there is a good chance Catharine's parents may also have come from Fairfax, Franklin County, VT, although she would later state she was "born in NY." We also know all of their children were also born in NY, probably in Chautauqua County. Their children's names that we know are John Allen (1828-1855), Hiram (1829-1863), Cyrus (1830-1870), Lucille (1832-1867), Wellington (1836-1854) and Nina (probably died young). I am also beginning to think the "M." (Catharine's middle initial) is not as significant as it may seem to be and her surname may well have been one of the surnames we already knew - BLISS, CRISSEY, THOMPSON or even an ALLEN that is the middle name of their first child. These families inter-married a lot in that era. Her name may well have been "Catharine Mary," but the name she was called was "Kate or Katie" and she would later describe her profession as a "nurse." She also had the ill-fortune to outlive not only her husband but every one of her children. Whomever she was, she was tough as nails having been forced to go through all of the death and misfortune she must have gone through during her long life. If you have any information to share on this family I would like to hear from you. Thanks in advance. John R. 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