Louise and other Listers I can answer your request for newspaper sources in Chittenden county VT. The Bailey Howe Library at the University of Vermont, Burlington VT has microfilm of the "Burlington Free Press" dating back to 1847. The University can not do the research for you, but the library is open to the public. Mal Bevins, CHITTE-L Manager R Hudspeth wrote: > Colleen, > > Thanks for the idea! I have tried local record holders--they said try the state > level. I wrote to the state level, they said we don't have them, try the local > level. Where did you find the newspapers? I am particularly concerned with > Rensselaer Co, NY and Chittenden Co, VT. I couldn't even find a death record > that occurred in 1910. Everyone says, I don't have it; try someone else. I am > in Missouri, far removed from my mother's Eastern roots. > > Louise Hudspeth > Columbia, MO > > colleen boose wrote: > > > When I haven't been able to locate church records, birth and death records, > > etc. etc. etc. -- but DO have census record -- I have gotten microfilm > > copies of newspapers and have gone through them to find wedding > > announcements, obits -- quite often, I have come up with a little tidbit > > that gives me a personality insight into the ancestor I am researching. > > > > An example: I was looking for a marriage record from 1834 in Rochester, NY. > > Couldn't find a thing. After a lot of searching -- a newspaper from > > Rochester carried the wedding announcement. BINGO! > > > > Newspaper research takes a lot of time -- when you don't know exact dates -- > > but, if you have a general idea it can produce good results. > > > > Regards, > > Colleen > > Hager City, Wisconsin

Colleen, Thanks for the idea! I have tried local record holders--they said try the state level. I wrote to the state level, they said we don't have them, try the local level. Where did you find the newspapers? I am particularly concerned with Rensselaer Co, NY and Chittenden Co, VT. I couldn't even find a death record that occurred in 1910. Everyone says, I don't have it; try someone else. I am in Missouri, far removed from my mother's Eastern roots. Louise Hudspeth Columbia, MO colleen boose wrote: > When I haven't been able to locate church records, birth and death records, > etc. etc. etc. -- but DO have census record -- I have gotten microfilm > copies of newspapers and have gone through them to find wedding > announcements, obits -- quite often, I have come up with a little tidbit > that gives me a personality insight into the ancestor I am researching. > > An example: I was looking for a marriage record from 1834 in Rochester, NY. > Couldn't find a thing. After a lot of searching -- a newspaper from > Rochester carried the wedding announcement. BINGO! > > Newspaper research takes a lot of time -- when you don't know exact dates -- > but, if you have a general idea it can produce good results. > > Regards, > Colleen > Hager City, Wisconsin

Good Morning List! I recieved this email on another list and it gives permission to pass it on. It may be helpful to some. Please feel free to pass it on yourself. Kathy Porter Corinth, VT > Date sent: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:03:18 -0500 > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> (by > way of Den_Mari <ddmmjm@netins.net>) To: > CHAPMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHAPMAN-L] WW1 Draft > Application Update > > > Good Morning everyone: I played hooky from work yesterday and spent > the day at the NARA Branch in Atlanta and it jogged my memory to pass > on some information to everyone. > > Prior to the US's entry into WW1 (approx. 1917-1918) every male > between the age of 18 and 40 was required to register for the draft. > The information found on the card was provided by the individual > himself. The registration cards vary in information depending on the > individual draft board. But by and large the cards include: The full > name of the person (this means first, full middle name, any additional > middle names and last name); the current address of the man; his age; > his birthdate (some include his place of birth); whether he is a US > citizen or a naturalized citizen (some ask if his father was a > naturalized citizen and his father's race); his race; his occupation; > where he is employed (name of employer); address or location of > employment; name and address of his next of kin; some cards ask if the > man is married or single and how many people he supports. The card is > signed by the draftee. On the back of the card his physical > description is noted: Height is broken down by short, medium, tall > although some cards give the actual height in feet and inches; Build > by slim, medium, stout although some cards list actual weight along > with the build; color of eyes and hair; any deformities or injuries > are listed (such as one arm missing, blind in one eye, etc); the name > and address of the draft board and the date. > > When these original cards were transferred to the East Pointe NARA > branch the LDS spent about 3 years microfilming these cards. There are > hundreds and hundreds of boxes and the LDS opened one box at a time > and filmed them - in state order. However, within each state the > cards were filed by draft board, not by county or by draftee. This > makes the searching of the microfilm difficult to say the least. > > The good news is that the Friends of the National Archives took each > box after it was filmed (and checked) and sorted all of these > thousands and thousands of cards into - state and then COUNTY order > and then in alphabetical order by surname and put then in new boxes. > The Friends deserve all the kudos we can give them for this monstrous > task. > > So ... rather than spending hours and hours searching the LDS > microfilm you can order copies of the original cards from NARA. if you > know the county your ancestor lived in between 1917-1918. > > And BTW - Ancestry.com lists WW1 Draft cards in their searchable data > bases, however I know for a fact that there are 22 cards for the > surname WHITE found in McIntosh Co, OK and Ancestry only gave me 4 of > them so don't depend on that site. I was told yesterday that some reps > from Ancestry had visited the archives a couple of weeks ago to talk > about filming the cards, took one look at the hundreds and hundreds of > boxes and simply left. > > For copies: Send a letter requesting copy(s) to: > NARA > Southeast Region > 1557 St. Joseph Ave > East Point, GA 30344 > > In your letter be sure to say you want copy(s) of the WWI Draft > application Cards. Include the name of your ancestor and his race, the > state and the county. If you want copies of ALL of the cards with a > given surname, ask them the cost of the copies and send a SASE for > them to let you know the copying cost. In your letter be sure and say > you want a copy of the FRONT and BACK of the card. Be sure to send a > SASE for the return of you copies. > > The cost for the copy is 50 cents - 25 cents for the back and 25 cents > for the front. If you only want one copy send a buck and say the > difference is to be given to the Friends of the Archives, because > after all they did all this wonderful hard work for you <VBG> > > If you have any other questions about the cards please write to me and > I'll try to help. I've been "delving" into these cards for the past > few years. But PLEASE don't ask me to get the copies for you. It is > difficult for me to take the time off from work to visit the archive > to do my own research <g>. > > And feel free to pass this on to any of the lists you are on. > > Linda > Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ > Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ > Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager > > ______________________________ > Normal > Normal > Default Paragraph Font > Default Paragraph Font > Value CustomerQC:\AAA-Z GENEALOGY\AA RESOURCES\Military\Draft > Registration & how to get them.doc > > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe or unsubscribe from the DONEGALEIRE list, use > DONEGALEIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com. Use DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com to write to the DONEGALEIRE list. Use D instead of L for the DONEGALEIRE Digest mode. > >

My name is Pam Kehoe and I will be in Vermont for 4 days in September to celebrate a wedding anniversary but also to do some Family research in the Charlotte/Burlington area. If you can concisely send me NAMES and DATES and possible locations, I will jot down anything I run across for you. My plan is to visit the Catholic church/graveyards in that area and also look into land records for Charlotte. I can't promise a thing, but as long as I'm there I will be glad to take note of any other surnames while I search. Pam Kehoe Wisconsin

Yes, they do have a web site, and the bottom of the main page has links to other sites, but I haven't had time to check them out. Here's the link to the Vermont French-Canadian Genealogical Society. http://members.aol.com/vtfcgs/genealogy/index.html Marcie Crocker At 01:14 PM 8/19/1999 -0400, Jerry Dafoe wrote: >Hi, > I'm new to the list. Can anyone give me any information on the Vt French >Canadian Genealogical Society . Does the society have a website? > Jerry > > >

When I haven't been able to locate church records, birth and death records, etc. etc. etc. -- but DO have census record -- I have gotten microfilm copies of newspapers and have gone through them to find wedding announcements, obits -- quite often, I have come up with a little tidbit that gives me a personality insight into the ancestor I am researching. An example: I was looking for a marriage record from 1834 in Rochester, NY. Couldn't find a thing. After a lot of searching -- a newspaper from Rochester carried the wedding announcement. BINGO! Newspaper research takes a lot of time -- when you don't know exact dates -- but, if you have a general idea it can produce good results. Regards, Colleen Hager City, Wisconsin

Hi, I'm new to the list. Can anyone give me any information on the Vt French Canadian Genealogical Society . Does the society have a website? Jerry

In a message dated 8/17/99 7:54:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Marykell@aol.com writes: << Please explain how so many people can say they have their ancestors traced back to year _____ when there are no birth or death records before certain dates? >> Thanks to everyone that answered my question on records. I am so glad to know that I am not alone in not being able to trace my ancestors back to Adam & Eve. Many suggested the following: 1) Family bibles...Don't have one 2) Graveyards - Graves are in MA, NY, IL & VT (maybe) I am in Colorado 3) Probate records - Clerk says she doesn't have records that far back, or they've been destroyed by "the Great Fire or Flood." 4) Church records- I've written to all the churches in the area (months ago) and no answers. 5) Other court records - See #3 above 6) Town histories - Contacted Town Historian, (Retired) and she doesn't know anything on my ancestors. 7) Funeral home and undertaker records - Called all the Funeral Directors and cemeteries in the area and they don't have records back that far or my ancestors are not there. 8) Census records - Have 1840-1850-1860 & 1870 showing him, wife #1 and wife #2 and children. But this doesn't tell me much more than I already knew. Thanks for everyone's input anyway. Mary Miller Evergreen, Colorado

My great-great grandfather Samuel Gravelin was married in 1853 to Emelie (Amelia) Courville and lived in Burlington, Vt. Their son, Samuel Gravelin married Mary Louise LaBelle in 1878, also in Burlington. Mary Louise's parents were Joseph LaBelle and Louise Chabot. Does anyone have information on the LaBelle or Chabot families in that area? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Debbie

Hi Pam It was my pleasure to give a genealogical lecture in Charlotte last January. My contact was Audrey Ritter Tel 802-425-3811. She is active with "The Charlotte Genealogy Group". For info on the Charlotte library send e-mail to charlib@together.net The library is new and a beautiful facility--you will enjoy it. Mal B Pam wrote: > Thank YOU LIZ! > > Dan and I will be visiting Vermont in September. RIght before peak season! > > Does anyone know the Historical Society phone number? > > And is there a Genealogy Society in Charlotte? > > Is there a library in Charlotte? > > I would like phone numbers so I can check hours of operation. > > Thanks so much for yur help. > > Pam Kehoe > Wisconsin

Good Morning Listers, There are other sources of info besides vital records. Cemetery inscriptions are very useful. Census records provide clues. Town and city directories also help. It is easiest if vital records can be obtained, but such is not always possible. Mal B Marykell@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/99 6:53:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > mbevins@sover.net writes: > > << Many births were not recorded in town or state records. Before 1856 there > was no > legal requirement. After 1856 there are still gaps as enforcement of the 1856 > law was not consistent between towns. >> > > Please explain how so many people can say they have their ancestors traced > back to year _____ when there are no birth or death records before certain > dates? I have exact birth dates and death dates, but when I contact the town > clerk, etc. they say, "We have no records before 18__. How does one go about > "proving" their lineage? Seems like there's always been a flood, a fire or an > earthquake, etc that has destroyed the records. Does that end your research? > I have my gggrandparent's dates and places of birth marriage and death, but > when I called the town clerk for records, she said they didn't have records > back then, (1800, 1823, 1850 and 1877) and this has happened to me more than > once, (Chicago, IL, Caledonia, MO, Hardwick, MA and AuSable, NY) So what does > a person do now? > Thanks > marykell

Thank YOU LIZ! Dan and I will be visiting Vermont in September. RIght before peak season! Does anyone know the Historical Society phone number? And is there a Genealogy Society in Charlotte? Is there a library in Charlotte? I would like phone numbers so I can check hours of operation. Thanks so much for yur help. Pam Kehoe Wisconsin

Hello List, I have been researching the John & Susannah (HAMILTON) DAVID family for many years and need your help. Both John & Susannah were born in 1766 location unknown. They were living in Shelburne in the late 1780's. Some of their children were born there including their son, my ancestor, Truman David in 1789. Perhaps a couple years after Truman's birth the family moved to Leeds County, Ontario. They returned to Shelburne just before the war of 1812. Truman and his younger brother, Lyman fought in this war. I think all of the David families prior to 1850 are descended from John & Susannah. I found a marriage record for Jane David married James Cary/Casey in 1835. Who is this Jane? Was she Lyman's daughter. My ancestor, Truman moved around 1815 to Steuben County, New York. His brother, Lyman moved in the 1830's to Cayuga County, New York, and a McIntyre family from Vermont was living with him. Could one of his daughters have married a McIntyre? If so who was she? Any help on this family will be appreciated. Thanks, Gail Clayton

Thank you very much for asking that question about not being able to get records for deaths, births, etc. I am at the same point in my research. I would be very interested in the answer to this. Lillian

I would like any information for the Coffey family of Chittenden county. Most members lived in the Essex Jct., area. Thank you. Gale Coffey

What does a person do now? You try to find as many original records as you can. Some places I find vital information for people who don't seem to be in the vital records. You can't always find the exact dates, but you can sometimes narrow it down to either a span of years or months. First find out what was considered the age of legal adulthood in the area you're searching. I think in most cases it was 21 for men and 18 for women, but not everywhere, and not for all times. That way you know they had to have been at least a certain age to get married without parental consent, or buy and sell property. 1. Family bibles - These are great if you can find them. 2. Land records - I've found marriage records stuck in with the land records 3. Graveyards - I haunt them frequently, but some tombstones are almost impossible to read. 4. Probate records - Sometimes these records mention not only the names, but also the ages and birthdays of minor children. 5. Church records 6. Other court records - These may not always give you ages, but they sure can be interesting reading sometimes, as well as explaining why some of our ancestors did things the way they did. 7. Town histories 8. Funeral home and undertaker records - If you can find out where they've gone to. 9. Census records - After 1850 you at least get an age and state or country of birth. Earlier ones you have to guess who's who other than the head of the family. Later ones also include states the parents were born in, and month and year of birth, depending on each one. Some states also took a census on off years. Hope this helps Marcie Crocker At 09:52 AM 8/17/1999 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/17/99 6:53:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >mbevins@sover.net writes: > ><< Many births were not recorded in town or state records. Before 1856 there >was no > legal requirement. After 1856 there are still gaps as enforcement of the 1856 > law was not consistent between towns. >> > >Please explain how so many people can say they have their ancestors traced >back to year _____ when there are no birth or death records before certain >dates? I have exact birth dates and death dates, but when I contact the town >clerk, etc. they say, "We have no records before 18__. How does one go about >"proving" their lineage? Seems like there's always been a flood, a fire or an >earthquake, etc that has destroyed the records. Does that end your research? >I have my gggrandparent's dates and places of birth marriage and death, but >when I called the town clerk for records, she said they didn't have records >back then, (1800, 1823, 1850 and 1877) and this has happened to me more than >once, (Chicago, IL, Caledonia, MO, Hardwick, MA and AuSable, NY) So what does >a person do now? >Thanks >marykell > > >

Hello: I am trying to locate descendants of the Levi Blake family. I would like confirmation of the children of the marriage between Levi Blake b. 11 Oct 1787 in Burlington, Chittenden, VT and Mary or Polly Sanford b. 23 Feb 1797. They were married 25 Dec 1811 in New York. Levi's parents were Bradbury Blake and Sarah Hilton. I have 11 documented children born to this couple, they include: Charles Hilton Blake, Edward Sanford Blake, Lucius Sawyer Blake, Marietta Blake, Albert H. Blake, Adoniram J. Blake, Mary Evaline Blake, Mary Ann Blake, Sarah Ann Blake, Marie Antoinette Blake, and Levi R. Blake. Annette Klosner Hoskins CHosk39931@aol.com

Hi Joyce and other listers: You come down pretty hard on the General Services Office. As coordinator of the Chittenden County genweb site, I find myself in their office often. They attempt to help researchers in every way possible. I have only had good experiences with them. If you have not completed the record search request correctly, there may be problems. Please go to my website and download a record search request and give it another try: http://www.sover.net/~mbevins/chit_vt.htm Many births were not recorded in town or state records. Before 1856 there was no legal requirement. After 1856 there are still gaps as enforcement of the 1856 law was not consistent between towns. My Grandfather was born in Vermont in 1864, yet there is no record anywhere of his birth. Let's give your search another try. Mal B Joyce Hathaway wrote: > Hi: > From the response to my questions about ordering vital records in the > 1830's it sounds like what is happening is people send their checks which > are cashed, but don't get any records. What's going on here? Seems to me > they shouldn't have to pay and especially if they know the full date. > Wouldn't these old records be on microfilm? I wouldn't mind paying a small > fee for a search, but surely these offices know what years records they have > and what years they don't have. > Joyce

In a message dated 8/17/99 6:53:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time, mbevins@sover.net writes: << Many births were not recorded in town or state records. Before 1856 there was no legal requirement. After 1856 there are still gaps as enforcement of the 1856 law was not consistent between towns. >> Please explain how so many people can say they have their ancestors traced back to year _____ when there are no birth or death records before certain dates? I have exact birth dates and death dates, but when I contact the town clerk, etc. they say, "We have no records before 18__. How does one go about "proving" their lineage? Seems like there's always been a flood, a fire or an earthquake, etc that has destroyed the records. Does that end your research? I have my gggrandparent's dates and places of birth marriage and death, but when I called the town clerk for records, she said they didn't have records back then, (1800, 1823, 1850 and 1877) and this has happened to me more than once, (Chicago, IL, Caledonia, MO, Hardwick, MA and AuSable, NY) So what does a person do now? Thanks marykell

Trying to locate parents of Myron Nye Hickok born abt 1796. According to NY State Census of 1830 he was born in VT. He is found living in Malone, NY with his wife Eunice Cummings or Cumings from Addison Co, VT in 1830 near Stephen D. Hickok b abt. 1780 and his son Sydney M. b. abt. 1803. Stephen D. is son of Aaron and Deborah nee Kent of CT. Other sons of Aaron include Oliver Otis father of William Alonzo father of Wild Bill Hickok. Trying to identify parents of Myron Nye and also where Nye name came into family. Jim