I need to ask for help from those familiar with the history of Caledonia County VT. I'm tracing my CAVAN line that family story tells me came first from Ireland to Canada then from Canada to the United States, and I've run into something that leaves me not really knowing where to look next. We have always assumed the CAVAN migration from Ireland to have occurred during the Famine Years 1845-1850. Therefore today at the library I was stunned to find my g-grandfather on an Illinois 1880 census list, as I expected him to be, and born in Ontario, as I had heard he would be---but both his parents were born in Vermont. Age 37 on the 1880 census, this g-grandfather would have been born (in Ontario) in 1843. This puts his Vermont-born father getting born around 1820, so clearly these folks didn't come during the Famine Years, since somebody had to come from Ireland before 1820. Vermont census index at the library has a James CAVAN in Caledonia CO VT, Barnet District, as of 1850; no CAVAN is shown on the 1830 or 1840 census. Every version I can think of lends new complications. If the immigrant from Ireland first entered Canada then came to the United States, I may find something on a NARA microfilm of immigration records, assuming the first arrival was in Canada and the immigrant then came into the States, for example through Vermont or Great Lakes ports. On the other hand, the first arrival may have been in the States. Also, I assume that a child born in Canada to parents born in Vermont would be an American citizen, so would have entered the States without immigration procedures. The additional possibility exists that the surname was shortened from Cavanaugh or Cavana, both known in the Eastern Canadian provinces, since CAVAN is rather rare. Is anyone familiar with how much back-and-forth there was over the border around 1820-1840? Looking at immigration into the United States we tend to think of people moving in one direction only, but clearly my ancestors were in the States before they were in Canada, and may have been in Canada before coming to the States in the first place. I need to hear from a local historian who can sort this out for me. Many thanks, Nora the Confused. PS Just in case anyone ever runs across any CAVANS, I'd be so glad to hear about it.

Hi everyone! Just wanted to update you all. I'm busy, busy, busy working on all of your requests. I knew when I sent the offer out that there would be many requests, and I haven't been disappointed!<g> Please be patient and I'll get to yours before the weekend is over. Best, Debbie ***************************************************************************** Debbie Whitman, State Contact - [email protected] VTGenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/state.cfm?state=vt GenExchange Newsletter http://www.genexchange.org/gesr/archive.cfm

Hi everyone. I currently have on loan from the NEGHS circulating library, two Heads of Household US Census books.......1790 and 1800 for the state of Vermont. I'm happy to do lookups for anyone in these two books. Please send your request to me privately at [email protected] My regards, Debbie ***************************************************************************** Debbie Whitman, State Contact - [email protected] VTGenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/state.cfm?state=vt GenExchange Newsletter http://www.genexchange.org/gesr/archive.cfm

Found this on Genforum today -- It is from 1999. Possibly a son of Nathaniel and Jennnie (Otis)Ham of Sheffield? If anyone has any information, he or she might want to contact Tracy. Cindy Walcott Grand Isle, VT My GGG Grandfather was Nathaniel Ham. He was born in Sheffield, VT around 1831 and died in Chico, CA Oct. 25, 1887. He was married on Nov. 1, 1856 to Amanda Fitzland French. She was born in Glover, VT around 1837. She died in Sacramento, CA on Feb. 14, 1915. If you have any info on these people please e-mail me. I could use any help I could get. I am also looking for info on another GGG Grandfather, William Allen from Vermont. I don't have dates, but I know he was married to a Josephine Young. HELP!!!!! Posted by Tracy Copper [email protected]

He is POSSIBLY a grandson of Nathaniel and Jane/Jenny (Otis) Ham, but not a son. Nathaniel, husband of Jenny, died before April 1828 when his estate was administered. Harman Clark [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alger and Walcott Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: [VTCALEDO] Ham of Sheffield > Found this on Genforum today -- It is from 1999. Possibly a son of > Nathaniel and Jennnie (Otis)Ham of Sheffield? If anyone has any > information, he or she might want to contact Tracy. > > Cindy Walcott > Grand Isle, VT > > My GGG Grandfather was Nathaniel Ham. He was born in Sheffield, VT around > 1831 and died in Chico, CA Oct. 25, 1887. He was married on Nov. 1, 1856 to > Amanda Fitzland French. She was born in Glover, VT around 1837. She died in > Sacramento, CA on Feb. 14, 1915. If you have any info on these people please > e-mail me. I could use any help I could get. I am also looking for info on > another GGG Grandfather, William Allen from Vermont. I don't have dates, but > I know he was married to a Josephine Young. > HELP!!!!! > > Posted by Tracy Copper > [email protected] >

Is there anyone searching for CLARK in this area? I have a photo of a young school girl and on the back of the photo says Ethel Maye Clark. The photo was in a family album of Hollis V. Lane and Laura Elizabeth Colburn. I would like to make some kind of connection. Thanks in advance. Carrie [email protected]

I am searching family history ... have been able to trace grandfather's roots back thru the Net but having lots of trouble going past great grandparent's names on my grandmother's side. Here is all the information I have: (would at least like to find parent's names of my great greatgrandparents listed here) BROOKS, George Washington b. 10/21/1865, New York, NY d. 04/08/1941, St. Johnsbury, VT married 05/18/1890 in New York City, NY (?) to GOLDEN, Mary b. 12/25/1867, Newburgh, NY d. 10/08/1922, St. Johnsbury, VT They had 10 children ... three born in NY ... BROOKS, Gladys Josephine, b. 05/23/1891, New Rochelle, NY BROOKS, Ella __________, b. 08/15/1892, _____________, NY BROOKS, William Henry, b. 08/04/1895, Troy, NY Remaining children, born St. Johnsbury, VT BROOKS, Violet May, b. 06/14/1896 BROOKS, Florence __________, b. 01/06/1898 BROOKS, Ruth Lillian, b. 12/03/1899 BROOKS, Evelyn Golden, b. 01/18/1903 BROOKS, Albert George, b. 07/08/1904 BROOKS, Lillian _________, b. 12/22/1905 BROOKS, Charlotte Nellie, b. 12/04/1906 BROOKS, Harriett Martha, b. 02/18/1908 ANything you can find on the parents of George Brooks or Mary Golden would be so much appreciated. I have contacted all the relatives I can find and no one has any information and three weeks of searching has gotten me nowhere. I will be away until the 25th ... but if you are able, leave me email and I will reply. Thanks a million, Lisa

I noted some additions this week that may be of interest to Sheffield researchers: Rochester Signers & Non-Signers 1776 Revolutionary War Proposal ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nh/strafford/rochester/rchstr1776.txt Merimack County Update to New England Willey's And Some Unconnected Willey Lines ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nh/merrimack/families/willey/willey1.txt Cindy Walcott

Hello everyone, I'm trying to find the parents of Royal AYER, Roxana BUGBEE & Artemus MANSFIELD, Sophronia AYER.. (1) Royal Ayer Roxana Bugbee m. 16 Jan 1827, St. Johnsbury, VT CHILDREN: (1) Truman Ayer, b. 1839, d. 22 Mar 1840, Lyndon, VT (2) Albert J. Ayer, b. 1841, St. (???) **** (2) Artemus MANSFIELD, (His 2nd.) Sophronia AYER m. 1 Nov 1839, St. Johnsbury, VT CHILDREN: (1) Ellen F. born 18 Feb 1846 (2) Sophronia Elisa/Eliza born 12 Oct 1847 (3) Massillon A. born 22 May 1850 (4) Lexia Ann born 26 Mar 1853 (3) Ira born 21 Sep 1854 Both families settled in the Goss Hollow section of St. Johnsbury, VT Thanks, Bill - William Ayer 407 Katahdin Drive Lexington, MA 02421- 6446 1-781-862-5295 1-978-945-4776 (Fax) [email protected]

Hi Carrie, I am going to forward your email off to my sister, she lived in St. J a lot longer then I did, I will let you know if she remembers your relatives. And if she remembers the song/album. Marci~Lucky Mouse ----- Original Message ----- From: Carrie Ramirez <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:10 PM Subject: [VTCALEDO] LANE > Dear Listers, > > My grandmother told me that my great grandmother and her twin sister, > Maud Elizabeth Lane & Mary Eliza Lane (known as the LANE TWINS)of St. Johnsbury, had made a record (Columbia Records I was told) of whistling tunes. The record was called the "Birds and the Brook". Does anyone know of anyone that might have an old record collection (probably 78's) or anyone know who I might be able to contact on this record. I would love to find it for my grandmother as she is still alive and very interested in finding it. > ANY and ALL help would be greatly appreciated. > The record was done around 1890 through 1900. > >

Dear Listers, My grandmother told me that my great grandmother and her twin sister, Maud Elizabeth Lane & Mary Eliza Lane (known as the LANE TWINS)of St. Johnsbury, had made a record (Columbia Records I was told) of whistling tunes. The record was called the "Birds and the Brook". Does anyone know of anyone that might have an old record collection (probably 78's) or anyone know who I might be able to contact on this record. I would love to find it for my grandmother as she is still alive and very interested in finding it. ANY and ALL help would be greatly appreciated. The record was done around 1890 through 1900.

Vince, Thanks again for your help. I notice in the 1810 Census Index for Caledonia Co., VT that there are two Robert Browns, one in Peacham p. 159 and one in Wheelock, p. 166. So I have a little digging to do! Best regards, Carol

At 05:17 PM 7/29/00 EDT, you wrote: >Does anyone know the location of a cemetery in St. Johnsbury with a name that >appears to be: Mt. ?? St. Joseph??? > >I am researching the CALDBECK family. It appears that brothers Michael and >Matthew were both buried in this cemetery in 1913 & 1912 respectively based >on their death certificates. > >Larry Hallstrom >[email protected] There are 2 cemeteries which start with MT. Mt Pleasant, located on Mt Pleasant St Extension, ST Johnsbury Mt Calvary, located St John St, St Johnsbury Both locations are within what is called the St Johnsbury Urban Compact Source: Burial Grounds of Vermont, Vermont Old Cemetery Association, 1991, p 97-98 Mariana Mariana Bean Ruggles [email protected] http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mariana/ http://www.pieces-n-time.com Listmanager Essex County, Massachusetts Mail List Listowner Essex-Roots Mail List Listmanager Grafton County, New Hampshire Mail List

Does anyone know the location of a cemetery in St. Johnsbury with a name that appears to be: Mt. ?? St. Joseph??? I am researching the CALDBECK family. It appears that brothers Michael and Matthew were both buried in this cemetery in 1913 & 1912 respectively based on their death certificates. Larry Hallstrom [email protected]

Carol; I cannot answer any of your questions---I sent what I know for a fact, but I do not speculate on whether it is possible for people to have done one thing or another. It just leads people astray and to make assumptions that are not warranted. Wish I could help more! Vince Falter

Vince, Thanks so much for your reply. Now for the big question: Did Robert and Sarah stay in the Caledonia area, or is it possible that they went out West, eventually to Hamilton Co., OH? The Robert Brown I'm looking for was in Sycamore Twp., Hamilton Co., OH in 1830 (died before 1840), married to a "Margaret," who was probably a second wife. Anything more that you can tell me about Robert and Sarah would be greatly appreciated. Other names that might be associated with the Robert Brown I'm looking for include Enos Hunter (b. Royalton, Windsor Co., VT and died in Crosby Hamilton Co., OH...he was married to Abiah Halstead b. VT) and Rev. William Hastings, married in Peacham to Susannah Skeel (died in Licking Co., OH), and their son Royal Hastings who was in Crosby Twp., Hamilton Co., OH in 1840. Anything ring a bell? Thanks, Carol [email protected] wrote: > > Carol; > > Actually, Robert Brown, son of Joseph Brown and Elizabeth ____ married Sarah > Buswell. Note the the spelling. The Buswell family name was sometimes spelled > Buzzell, but not Bussell as far as I know. > > The Buswells came from New Hampshire, and the oldest Buswell, Nicholas Colby > Buswell was born in Hopkinton, NH about 1763. Sarah's parents are unknown, > but I suspect that she was a sister to Nicholas Colby Buswell. Since the > marriage did not take place in Peacham, she probably lived with her parents > nearby; possibly Dannville. > > Sorry I cannot help more. > > Vince

I am researching Robert BROWN who married Sarah BUSSELL in 1807 in Peacham, Caledonia Co., VT, according to an IGI record. Is this the same Sarah Bussell who was born 26 Nov 1784 in Hill Twp., Merrimack, NH? If anyone is researching early Browns in Caledonia Co., I am interested in exchanging information. Carol in CT

Carol; Actually, Robert Brown, son of Joseph Brown and Elizabeth ____ married Sarah Buswell. Note the the spelling. The Buswell family name was sometimes spelled Buzzell, but not Bussell as far as I know. The Buswells came from New Hampshire, and the oldest Buswell, Nicholas Colby Buswell was born in Hopkinton, NH about 1763. Sarah's parents are unknown, but I suspect that she was a sister to Nicholas Colby Buswell. Since the marriage did not take place in Peacham, she probably lived with her parents nearby; possibly Dannville. Sorry I cannot help more. Vince

At 10:53 PM 07/27/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Darrel A. Martin.... >Thanks for the info. about the correct term for people from Scotland. >(grin)......... I'm wondering if that town, Cavendish was a place where >men joined the CW. I think Rockingham is the place the reunion of CW >veterans took place and not a home town. That is interesting that Caledonia >is an ancient name for Scotland..... I've been reading about "Scotch >American Company" in the book: "History of Ryegate Vermont >1774-1912".....by Miller and Wells. >We feel our Ellis' came over abt. 1840's. There may be a connection to Ayr, >but my father say's they were Highlanders, dairy farmers and very tall. I >know that describes lots of people, but.......oh, I'm pulling out >straws........! I've only been into genealogy for a bit over a year and am >lucky to have patience. Have found much more than we expected already. >Thank you for your help... >Gloria Jean Ellis Hi, Gloria: When I think too much about terms for Scotlanders, I get an urge to indulge in a bottle of Scottish <big grin>. The Scotch-American Company that settled Ryegate, and of which several of my ancestors were members, was formed by Lowlanders from around Glasgow. The cultural differences between them and the Highlanders in the 1700's were huge, bigger than those between a Mississippian and a Vermonter even if both of the latter are of "old rural stock" and don't watch television. Highlanders were more closely tied ethnically to Scandinavia, spoke Gaelic for the most part, and were by and large Catholics; Lowlanders were more closely tied to England, spoke English or the closely related Scots Dialect, and were by and large Presbyterian Protestants. To get some flavor, compare to Serbs and Croats but throw in a language barrier to make it worse. (Serbs and Croats can understand each other, although they often don't act like they are from the same species). Ayrshire was known for dairy farming at least by the 19th century (Encycl. Britt. 1967 ed. vol. 20 "Scotland" pg. 55) so that part of the family tradition is at least plausible. However, it is certainly not Highland country, being in the southwest part of Scotland. Darrell Darrell A. Martin no longer proud to have been a Vermonter but still proud of my Vermont roots currently in exile in Addison, Illinois [email protected]

Hi Darrel A. Martin.... Thanks for the info. about the correct term for people from Scotland. (grin)......... I'm wondering if that town, Cavendish was a place where men joined the CW. I think Rockingham is the place the reunion of CW veterans took place and not a home town. That is interesting that Caledonia is an ancient name for Scotland..... I've been reading about "Scotch American Company" in the book: "History of Ryegate Vermont 1774-1912".....by Miller and Wells. We feel our Ellis' came over abt. 1840's. There may be a connection to Ayr, but my father say's they were Highlanders, dairy farmers and very tall. I know that describes lots of people, but.......oh, I'm pulling out straws........! I've only been into genealogy for a bit over a year and am lucky to have patience. Have found much more than we expected already. Thank you for your help... Gloria Jean Ellis