I have an ancestor born in Renselaer Co NY 1808 supposedly whose father was born depending on which census record you read, VT, NY or MAss. I have learned that the boundaries moved there in that corner same as in other places. IF he states his Father born in VT, it was pre 1800 because father was older than 8 when his son born. I suspect Father JONES was born around 1780 or so. I suspect related to Silas JONES SR of RI whos family is also in Renselaer Co NY. HE lives next to Silas JONES Sr downline kin in NY and in ILL and in IA. We have no names of siblings but suspect two when talking to other JONES researchers who can find no parents for their ancestor. Noyes JONES ma Susan MADISON supposedly MASS around 1832 found no records in either place family history implied happened. Find a George Madison as Noyes and Susan's neighbor in IOWA in 1870. Beleive him to be her brother. NO records on her family either. I am told it could have been Mattison . Susan b 1818 Mass according to family records. SusiCP Family Historian It's the Indian in me.....:>)