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    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 2
    2. Denise McDonald
    3. She was in Maiden Springs, Tazewell County, VA in 1870 with her husband George W. Howard. She was 25 and George was 28. They moved on to Claiborne Co, TN by 1880, but according to census info, they were both born in VA. She died before 1893 in TN and he married Qumanay Redman or Redmon. Quite a few of my family members have been researching this info, but get nowhere. Lulisha is my great-great grandmother. She also went by Lettie. By the way, in 1870 VA, living with them was an 8 year old boy named Elisa Johnston. Of course at that time, they did not list relationships, but there is an Elisha Johnston (adult) living close by. I looked for a Lulisha or Lettie Johnston in that area, and I thought I found her, but it turned out she lived with her parents her whole life, so I believe it wasn't her. Plus that Lettie Johnston was the child of a very prominent man and would probably be able to read and write. George and Lulisha could not. And there are so many George Howards in VA with the same approx. birth year, it's very hard to tie it down. Any hints would be great. Thanks, Denise -----Original Message----- From: virginia-indian-surnames-request <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 3:09 am Subject: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 2 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Howard (rough72666@aol.com) 2. Re: Howard (Harriott Lomax) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 (EDT) From: rough72666@aol.com Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CDAFA2751AD7A8-1730-1956A@webmail-m140.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling based on the sound. Where were they in VA? Joyce -----Original Message----- From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears Oisyo Looksfar On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:37:47 -0400 From: Harriott Lomax <lomaxhv@msn.com> Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard To: <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <COL101-W526F4E82B526F238C4D5A1ACCC0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" PLEASE tell me what is a free slave? The truth, there is no such thing, a person is either enslaved or is free. If an individual was once enslaved then later emancipated, then that person is considered a freeD slave, one cannot be both. The first Africans, of record, that arrived in 1619 were treated lthe same as English indentured servants. Forced to work for a period of time then set free, there were several communities of free Blacks in Virginia even before the Revolution. Freedom did not come to the slaves until 1865 with the passage of the 13th ammendment to our Constitution. The Emancipation Proclaimation freed only the slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government. As for the Indians, can you blame them for not wanting to share their stories, they shared everything with the English, the first few years after their (the English) arrival. If it were not for the Indians the early settlers would have starved to death. What did they (the Indians) recieve in return? Their land was stolen away from them, their population was drastically deminished due to the diseases brought in by the English, and the English even tried to wipe out their culture and customes by trying to "civilize the heathans" teaching them their brand of Christianity rather than trying to understand the Indian's way of worshiping God. To top it all off. a little over a hundred years ago, a man by the name of Plecker ordered the "I" erased from the census rolls in VA. Harriott Searching for LOMAX (SC>VA), WASHINGTON (VA), MOORE (VA) BOOTH (VA) & ALSTON (NC>VA) > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > From: rough72666@aol.com > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. > > You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling based on the sound. Where were they in VA? > > Joyce > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad > reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after > 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound > ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our > wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my > eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took > ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and > e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees > ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post > his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears > Oisyo Looksfar > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c > 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My > father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from > others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but > who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES list administrator, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. 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