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    04/10/2018 02:16:56
    1. [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Harvey's
    2. Bob
    3. Any other native American Harvey's from the Albemarle Virginia area please contact me at booalou@yahoo.com Sent from my iPad

    09/30/2012 03:38:49
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    2. Dan Mosley
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    03/20/2012 02:31:27
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    04/22/2011 03:30:08
    1. [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Martha O Denton
    2. I am looking for info on Martha O Denton who married William Scott. She was born about 1800 in VA. He was born about 1785 also in VA. They married in Greene Co. Ohio on 13 Apr 1820. Their oldest child Mariah Scott was born about 1822 in PA. She married Silas Jones from Deleware 11 Feb 1841 in Ross Co. Ohio. Martha and Scott also had children named Benjamim, Priscilla, and James all born in Ohio and Sarah born in Indiana. William Scott bought land in Delaware Co. IN in 1836. William died 15 Jun 1860. He may have fought in the War of 1812. I would love to have any information on this family that you might have! Mariah and Silas Jones were my gg-grandparents.

    04/11/2011 08:13:29
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4
    2. Harriott Lomax
    3. Dear "Moon Woman" THANKYOU SO VERY MUCH for the leads, will be investigating. Happy Hunting Harriott > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > From: crystalradiance1@aol.com > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:06:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4 > > > Harriott, I am amazed at the detailed information that you have found about your family. Please read my query and information below. > > Has anyone found information on the Moon surname of Albermarle County, VA.?I have known of our Native American ancestry since I intuited it as a child and actually informed my mother! She finally acknowledged it when I turned 18, as I was always delving into aspects of Native American culture. > > Anyway, my Great Aunt hinted very strongly at our Indian ancestry back in the 80's and the physical features feature stongly from generation to generation. What makes it difficult is that there was a Moon plantation, which for sure owned slaves. I have a feeling that some of those slaves were Indian or part Indian, including my ancestors. I haven't been able to make the difinitive link yet, but after 30 years, I have made progress and I am convinced of our Virginia Powhatan Indian lineage. > > This past summer I struck "gold" in the sense that I found the Moon family associated with "Mixed Native-Americans" on the infamous list of Walter Plecker, the head of Virginia Vital Statistics back in the 1920's. The Moon family surname was the first on the list in Albemarle County. Plecker, a white suprematist who wanted to eradicate all Indians from vital stiatistic documents in Virgina called those on the list "Mongrels". This is the first official document that I have found that points to the Moon surname associate with Indians. > > I have also found the Moon surname associated loosly with the Buffalo Ridge Cherokee. You may want to look up Plecker's list to see if your family name is on it. Google it. His list is divided by counties. Interestingly, virtually almost every surname of the chiefs and families of the now recognized Virginia tribes are on this list. But there are many others. You can go to amazon.com and find the book "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee" or get it from the library like I did. It has an extensive lists of surnames associated with the Cherokee people. > > If anyone has any more information on the Moon surname in Virginia related to Native Americans, please let me know. > > "Moon Woman" > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: virginia-indian-surnames-request <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:18 am > Subject: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4 > > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Howard (Harriott Lomax) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:28:43 -0400 > From: Harriott Lomax <lomaxhv@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > To: <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL101-W2534655490F388252D7C9CACCF0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > THANK YOU so much, my maternal ggrandfather John Alston was from Warren Co., NC. > Migrated to VA after he married, My grandmother (Mary Janet ALSTON), was quite > young (3 or 4) when the family left NC. Not absolutely sure of Indian ancestory > there. > > My grandfather, Mary Janet's husband William Jeff BOOTH, had some Indian > ancestors. One of my aunts, told me when they questioned their father about > their Indian heritage, he refused to talk about it, letting them know the > subject was not to be mentioned again. I would like to find out more about his > grandfather Augustine BOOTH. Augustine was listed in the 1860 census living > alone, an indication that he might have been an Indian passing himself off as a > free Negro. His wife, Rose, was a slave probably livng under the same roof as > her husband, but listed on a slave schedule as the property of her owners. She > is shown on the 1870 census living with her husband Augustine. > > I have been researching my ancestors for 20- years. Last Year I decided to > concentrate on my paternal grandmother, and her ancestry. It has been a > thrilling experience. > > Harriott > > > > > > > > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > > From: caligrl727@aol.com > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:51:27 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > Hi Harriot: I noticed Alston is one of the names you're researching.There is a > Chief Lynnette Allston of the Nottoway Tribe of Virginia located in Southampton > County,Va.The is also my tribe-The Cheroenhaka (Nottoway)Tribe of Southampton > County,Va.I am a newly admitted member. I have relatives who wee admitted years > ago. The key is you have to establish a establish a paper trail-which I did-and > I was able to get 5 generations. It was word of mouth,40 years of genealogy > research ,visits to a county court house ,etc. I would also suggest you > try.,will check their Ancestry.com,Afrigeneas(they have a fpoc and black-native > forum) also the historical societies in the counties you're interested in.I know > I have ties to a couple of other tribes in my familial homeland, it will be a > little harder to prove,but I think it can be done. > > "Star Wolf" > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harriott Lomax <lomaxhv@msn.com> > > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 5:38 pm > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > > > > > PLEASE tell me what is a free slave? The truth, there is no such thing, a > person > > is either enslaved or is free. If an individual was once enslaved then later > > emancipated, then that person is considered a freeD slave, one cannot be both. > > > The first Africans, of record, that arrived in 1619 were treated lthe same as > > English indentured servants. Forced to work for a period of time then set > free, > > there were several communities of free Blacks in Virginia even before the > > Revolution. Freedom did not come to the slaves until 1865 with the passage of > > the 13th ammendment to our Constitution. The Emancipation Proclaimation freed > > only the slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal > > government. > > > > As for the Indians, can you blame them for not wanting to share their stories, > > > they shared everything with the English, the first few years after their (the > > English) arrival. If it were not for the Indians the early settlers would have > > > starved to death. What did they (the Indians) recieve in return? Their land > > was stolen away from them, their population was drastically deminished due to > > the diseases brought in by the English, and the English even tried to wipe out > > > their culture and customes by trying to "civilize the heathans" teaching them > > their brand of Christianity rather than trying to understand the Indian's way > of > > worshiping God. To top it all off. a little over a hundred years ago, a man by > > > the name of Plecker ordered the "I" erased from the census rolls in VA. > > > > Harriott > > Searching for LOMAX (SC>VA), WASHINGTON (VA), MOORE (VA) > > BOOTH (VA) & ALSTON (NC>VA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > > > From: rough72666@aol.com > > > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > > > > > > There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true > > > that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among > > themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved > > for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & > > most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in > > Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from > > indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor > > people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They > > used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also > > left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. > > > > > > You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another > spelling > > based on the sound. Where were they in VA? > > > > > > Joyce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> > > > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm > > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > > > > > > They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad > > > reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after > > > 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound > > > ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our > > > wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my > > > eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took > > > ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and > > > e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees > > > ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post > > > his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears > > > Oisyo Looksfar > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > > > > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c > > > 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My > > > father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from > > > others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but > > > who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > > > he message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES list administrator, send an email to > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES mailing list, send an email to > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4 > ****************************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/15/2011 12:02:34
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4
    2. Harriott, I am amazed at the detailed information that you have found about your family. Please read my query and information below. Has anyone found information on the Moon surname of Albermarle County, VA.?I have known of our Native American ancestry since I intuited it as a child and actually informed my mother! She finally acknowledged it when I turned 18, as I was always delving into aspects of Native American culture. Anyway, my Great Aunt hinted very strongly at our Indian ancestry back in the 80's and the physical features feature stongly from generation to generation. What makes it difficult is that there was a Moon plantation, which for sure owned slaves. I have a feeling that some of those slaves were Indian or part Indian, including my ancestors. I haven't been able to make the difinitive link yet, but after 30 years, I have made progress and I am convinced of our Virginia Powhatan Indian lineage. This past summer I struck "gold" in the sense that I found the Moon family associated with "Mixed Native-Americans" on the infamous list of Walter Plecker, the head of Virginia Vital Statistics back in the 1920's. The Moon family surname was the first on the list in Albemarle County. Plecker, a white suprematist who wanted to eradicate all Indians from vital stiatistic documents in Virgina called those on the list "Mongrels". This is the first official document that I have found that points to the Moon surname associate with Indians. I have also found the Moon surname associated loosly with the Buffalo Ridge Cherokee. You may want to look up Plecker's list to see if your family name is on it. Google it. His list is divided by counties. Interestingly, virtually almost every surname of the chiefs and families of the now recognized Virginia tribes are on this list. But there are many others. You can go to amazon.com and find the book "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee" or get it from the library like I did. It has an extensive lists of surnames associated with the Cherokee people. If anyone has any more information on the Moon surname in Virginia related to Native Americans, please let me know. "Moon Woman" -----Original Message----- From: virginia-indian-surnames-request <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 4:18 am Subject: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Howard (Harriott Lomax) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:28:43 -0400 From: Harriott Lomax <lomaxhv@msn.com> Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard To: <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <COL101-W2534655490F388252D7C9CACCF0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" THANK YOU so much, my maternal ggrandfather John Alston was from Warren Co., NC. Migrated to VA after he married, My grandmother (Mary Janet ALSTON), was quite young (3 or 4) when the family left NC. Not absolutely sure of Indian ancestory there. My grandfather, Mary Janet's husband William Jeff BOOTH, had some Indian ancestors. One of my aunts, told me when they questioned their father about their Indian heritage, he refused to talk about it, letting them know the subject was not to be mentioned again. I would like to find out more about his grandfather Augustine BOOTH. Augustine was listed in the 1860 census living alone, an indication that he might have been an Indian passing himself off as a free Negro. His wife, Rose, was a slave probably livng under the same roof as her husband, but listed on a slave schedule as the property of her owners. She is shown on the 1870 census living with her husband Augustine. I have been researching my ancestors for 20- years. Last Year I decided to concentrate on my paternal grandmother, and her ancestry. It has been a thrilling experience. Harriott > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > From: caligrl727@aol.com > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:51:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > Hi Harriot: I noticed Alston is one of the names you're researching.There is a Chief Lynnette Allston of the Nottoway Tribe of Virginia located in Southampton County,Va.The is also my tribe-The Cheroenhaka (Nottoway)Tribe of Southampton County,Va.I am a newly admitted member. I have relatives who wee admitted years ago. The key is you have to establish a establish a paper trail-which I did-and I was able to get 5 generations. It was word of mouth,40 years of genealogy research ,visits to a county court house ,etc. I would also suggest you try.,will check their Ancestry.com,Afrigeneas(they have a fpoc and black-native forum) also the historical societies in the counties you're interested in.I know I have ties to a couple of other tribes in my familial homeland, it will be a little harder to prove,but I think it can be done. > "Star Wolf" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harriott Lomax <lomaxhv@msn.com> > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > PLEASE tell me what is a free slave? The truth, there is no such thing, a person > is either enslaved or is free. If an individual was once enslaved then later > emancipated, then that person is considered a freeD slave, one cannot be both. > The first Africans, of record, that arrived in 1619 were treated lthe same as > English indentured servants. Forced to work for a period of time then set free, > there were several communities of free Blacks in Virginia even before the > Revolution. Freedom did not come to the slaves until 1865 with the passage of > the 13th ammendment to our Constitution. The Emancipation Proclaimation freed > only the slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal > government. > > As for the Indians, can you blame them for not wanting to share their stories, > they shared everything with the English, the first few years after their (the > English) arrival. If it were not for the Indians the early settlers would have > starved to death. What did they (the Indians) recieve in return? Their land > was stolen away from them, their population was drastically deminished due to > the diseases brought in by the English, and the English even tried to wipe out > their culture and customes by trying to "civilize the heathans" teaching them > their brand of Christianity rather than trying to understand the Indian's way of > worshiping God. To top it all off. a little over a hundred years ago, a man by > the name of Plecker ordered the "I" erased from the census rolls in VA. > > Harriott > Searching for LOMAX (SC>VA), WASHINGTON (VA), MOORE (VA) > BOOTH (VA) & ALSTON (NC>VA) > > > > > > > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > > From: rough72666@aol.com > > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > > > There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true > that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among > themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved > for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & > most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in > Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from > indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor > people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They > used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also > left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. > > > > You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling > based on the sound. Where were they in VA? > > > > Joyce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> > > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > > > They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad > > reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after > > 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound > > ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our > > wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my > > eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took > > ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and > > e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees > > ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post > > his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears > > Oisyo Looksfar > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > > > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c > > 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My > > father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from > > others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but > > who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > he message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES list administrator, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES mailing list, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4 ******************************************************

    03/15/2011 06:06:44
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard
    2. Harriott Lomax
    3. THANK YOU so much, my maternal ggrandfather John Alston was from Warren Co., NC. Migrated to VA after he married, My grandmother (Mary Janet ALSTON), was quite young (3 or 4) when the family left NC. Not absolutely sure of Indian ancestory there. My grandfather, Mary Janet's husband William Jeff BOOTH, had some Indian ancestors. One of my aunts, told me when they questioned their father about their Indian heritage, he refused to talk about it, letting them know the subject was not to be mentioned again. I would like to find out more about his grandfather Augustine BOOTH. Augustine was listed in the 1860 census living alone, an indication that he might have been an Indian passing himself off as a free Negro. His wife, Rose, was a slave probably livng under the same roof as her husband, but listed on a slave schedule as the property of her owners. She is shown on the 1870 census living with her husband Augustine. I have been researching my ancestors for 20- years. Last Year I decided to concentrate on my paternal grandmother, and her ancestry. It has been a thrilling experience. Harriott > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > From: caligrl727@aol.com > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:51:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > Hi Harriot: I noticed Alston is one of the names you're researching.There is a Chief Lynnette Allston of the Nottoway Tribe of Virginia located in Southampton County,Va.The is also my tribe-The Cheroenhaka (Nottoway)Tribe of Southampton County,Va.I am a newly admitted member. I have relatives who wee admitted years ago. The key is you have to establish a establish a paper trail-which I did-and I was able to get 5 generations. It was word of mouth,40 years of genealogy research ,visits to a county court house ,etc. I would also suggest you try.,will check their Ancestry.com,Afrigeneas(they have a fpoc and black-native forum) also the historical societies in the counties you're interested in.I know I have ties to a couple of other tribes in my familial homeland, it will be a little harder to prove,but I think it can be done. > "Star Wolf" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harriott Lomax <lomaxhv@msn.com> > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 5:38 pm > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > PLEASE tell me what is a free slave? The truth, there is no such thing, a person > is either enslaved or is free. If an individual was once enslaved then later > emancipated, then that person is considered a freeD slave, one cannot be both. > The first Africans, of record, that arrived in 1619 were treated lthe same as > English indentured servants. Forced to work for a period of time then set free, > there were several communities of free Blacks in Virginia even before the > Revolution. Freedom did not come to the slaves until 1865 with the passage of > the 13th ammendment to our Constitution. The Emancipation Proclaimation freed > only the slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal > government. > > As for the Indians, can you blame them for not wanting to share their stories, > they shared everything with the English, the first few years after their (the > English) arrival. If it were not for the Indians the early settlers would have > starved to death. What did they (the Indians) recieve in return? Their land > was stolen away from them, their population was drastically deminished due to > the diseases brought in by the English, and the English even tried to wipe out > their culture and customes by trying to "civilize the heathans" teaching them > their brand of Christianity rather than trying to understand the Indian's way of > worshiping God. To top it all off. a little over a hundred years ago, a man by > the name of Plecker ordered the "I" erased from the census rolls in VA. > > Harriott > Searching for LOMAX (SC>VA), WASHINGTON (VA), MOORE (VA) > BOOTH (VA) & ALSTON (NC>VA) > > > > > > > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > > From: rough72666@aol.com > > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > > > There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true > that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among > themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved > for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & > most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in > Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from > indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor > people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They > used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also > left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. > > > > You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling > based on the sound. Where were they in VA? > > > > Joyce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> > > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > > > They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad > > reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after > > 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound > > ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our > > wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my > > eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took > > ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and > > e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees > > ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post > > his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears > > Oisyo Looksfar > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > > > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c > > 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My > > father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from > > others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but > > who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > he message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/14/2011 03:28:43
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 2
    2. Denise McDonald
    3. She was in Maiden Springs, Tazewell County, VA in 1870 with her husband George W. Howard. She was 25 and George was 28. They moved on to Claiborne Co, TN by 1880, but according to census info, they were both born in VA. She died before 1893 in TN and he married Qumanay Redman or Redmon. Quite a few of my family members have been researching this info, but get nowhere. Lulisha is my great-great grandmother. She also went by Lettie. By the way, in 1870 VA, living with them was an 8 year old boy named Elisa Johnston. Of course at that time, they did not list relationships, but there is an Elisha Johnston (adult) living close by. I looked for a Lulisha or Lettie Johnston in that area, and I thought I found her, but it turned out she lived with her parents her whole life, so I believe it wasn't her. Plus that Lettie Johnston was the child of a very prominent man and would probably be able to read and write. George and Lulisha could not. And there are so many George Howards in VA with the same approx. birth year, it's very hard to tie it down. Any hints would be great. Thanks, Denise -----Original Message----- From: virginia-indian-surnames-request <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 3:09 am Subject: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 2 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Howard (rough72666@aol.com) 2. Re: Howard (Harriott Lomax) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 (EDT) From: rough72666@aol.com Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CDAFA2751AD7A8-1730-1956A@webmail-m140.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling based on the sound. Where were they in VA? Joyce -----Original Message----- From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears Oisyo Looksfar On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:37:47 -0400 From: Harriott Lomax <lomaxhv@msn.com> Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard To: <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <COL101-W526F4E82B526F238C4D5A1ACCC0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" PLEASE tell me what is a free slave? The truth, there is no such thing, a person is either enslaved or is free. If an individual was once enslaved then later emancipated, then that person is considered a freeD slave, one cannot be both. The first Africans, of record, that arrived in 1619 were treated lthe same as English indentured servants. Forced to work for a period of time then set free, there were several communities of free Blacks in Virginia even before the Revolution. Freedom did not come to the slaves until 1865 with the passage of the 13th ammendment to our Constitution. The Emancipation Proclaimation freed only the slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government. As for the Indians, can you blame them for not wanting to share their stories, they shared everything with the English, the first few years after their (the English) arrival. If it were not for the Indians the early settlers would have starved to death. What did they (the Indians) recieve in return? Their land was stolen away from them, their population was drastically deminished due to the diseases brought in by the English, and the English even tried to wipe out their culture and customes by trying to "civilize the heathans" teaching them their brand of Christianity rather than trying to understand the Indian's way of worshiping God. To top it all off. a little over a hundred years ago, a man by the name of Plecker ordered the "I" erased from the census rolls in VA. Harriott Searching for LOMAX (SC>VA), WASHINGTON (VA), MOORE (VA) BOOTH (VA) & ALSTON (NC>VA) > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > From: rough72666@aol.com > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. > > You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling based on the sound. Where were they in VA? > > Joyce > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad > reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after > 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound > ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our > wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my > eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took > ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and > e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees > ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post > his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears > Oisyo Looksfar > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c > 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My > father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from > others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but > who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES list administrator, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    03/14/2011 11:23:28
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard
    2. Truman Adkins
    3. I would imagine they meant Freed Slaves. > From: lomaxhv@msn.com > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 00:37:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > PLEASE tell me what is a free slave? The truth, there is no such thing, a person is either enslaved or is free. If an individual was once enslaved then later emancipated, then that person is considered a freeD slave, one cannot be both. The first Africans, of record, that arrived in 1619 were treated lthe same as English indentured servants. Forced to work for a period of time then set free, there were several communities of free Blacks in Virginia even before the Revolution. Freedom did not come to the slaves until 1865 with the passage of the 13th ammendment to our Constitution. The Emancipation Proclaimation freed only the slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government. > > As for the Indians, can you blame them for not wanting to share their stories, they shared everything with the English, the first few years after their (the English) arrival. If it were not for the Indians the early settlers would have starved to death. What did they (the Indians) recieve in return? Their land was stolen away from them, their population was drastically deminished due to the diseases brought in by the English, and the English even tried to wipe out their culture and customes by trying to "civilize the heathans" teaching them their brand of Christianity rather than trying to understand the Indian's way of worshiping God. To top it all off. a little over a hundred years ago, a man by the name of Plecker ordered the "I" erased from the census rolls in VA. > > Harriott > Searching for LOMAX (SC>VA), WASHINGTON (VA), MOORE (VA) > BOOTH (VA) & ALSTON (NC>VA) > > > > > > > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > > From: rough72666@aol.com > > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > > > There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. > > > > You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling based on the sound. Where were they in VA? > > > > Joyce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> > > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm > > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > > > > They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad > > reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after > > 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound > > ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our > > wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my > > eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took > > ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and > > e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees > > ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post > > his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears > > Oisyo Looksfar > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > > > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c > > 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My > > father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from > > others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but > > who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > he message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/14/2011 04:17:33
    1. [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] My Virginia names
    2. Kathleen
    3. Here’s a list of my VA surnames. I would like to hear from anyone who has information about them: Christian, Faure/Ford, Hickman. Isbell, Tinsley, Chisholm, Courtney, Haley, Jett, Barbee, Foley, Gough. Hensley, Peck, Wright, Williams, Woodson, Leake, Hunt, Turner, Mask, Turner, Pleasants, Rickabaugh, Martin, Vernon, Austin, Sims, Lewellyn, Powers, Rogers, Barbee, Triplett, Mason, Lewis, Walker, Dulaney, Miller, Slaughter, Crowshaw, Saxton/Axton/Ashton, Hoskins, Jones, (Shrader, Kimbler/Kimball, West VA), Ferris, Jackson, Cooke. My Jett, Foley, Courtney and Jones from Stafford Co., VA go back to the Powhatan Indians and Chief Wahanganoche. The Chisholm’s were Cherokee and possibly mixed with some of the local tribes. My Richard Austin born ca 1670, moved to Lunenburg, VA with his brother, John Austin, who from court records, is known to have married a Saponi woman. I think Richard did too but don’t have court or other records to support it other than the Names John and Richard being on a list of historic Saponi names. . Does anyone have information about him? I have seen one post where it showed his wife as Elizabeth Rice. Can anyone confirm that? Thanks for your help, Kathleen Rogalla

    03/14/2011 04:10:40
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard
    2. Hi Harriot: I noticed Alston is one of the names you're researching.There is a Chief Lynnette Allston of the Nottoway Tribe of Virginia located in Southampton County,Va.The is also my tribe-The Cheroenhaka (Nottoway)Tribe of Southampton County,Va.I am a newly admitted member. I have relatives who wee admitted years ago. The key is you have to establish a establish a paper trail-which I did-and I was able to get 5 generations. It was word of mouth,40 years of genealogy research ,visits to a county court house ,etc. I would also suggest you try.,will check their Ancestry.com,Afrigeneas(they have a fpoc and black-native forum) also the historical societies in the counties you're interested in.I know I have ties to a couple of other tribes in my familial homeland, it will be a little harder to prove,but I think it can be done. "Star Wolf" -----Original Message----- From: Harriott Lomax <lomaxhv@msn.com> To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard PLEASE tell me what is a free slave? The truth, there is no such thing, a person is either enslaved or is free. If an individual was once enslaved then later emancipated, then that person is considered a freeD slave, one cannot be both. The first Africans, of record, that arrived in 1619 were treated lthe same as English indentured servants. Forced to work for a period of time then set free, there were several communities of free Blacks in Virginia even before the Revolution. Freedom did not come to the slaves until 1865 with the passage of the 13th ammendment to our Constitution. The Emancipation Proclaimation freed only the slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government. As for the Indians, can you blame them for not wanting to share their stories, they shared everything with the English, the first few years after their (the English) arrival. If it were not for the Indians the early settlers would have starved to death. What did they (the Indians) recieve in return? Their land was stolen away from them, their population was drastically deminished due to the diseases brought in by the English, and the English even tried to wipe out their culture and customes by trying to "civilize the heathans" teaching them their brand of Christianity rather than trying to understand the Indian's way of worshiping God. To top it all off. a little over a hundred years ago, a man by the name of Plecker ordered the "I" erased from the census rolls in VA. Harriott Searching for LOMAX (SC>VA), WASHINGTON (VA), MOORE (VA) BOOTH (VA) & ALSTON (NC>VA) > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > From: rough72666@aol.com > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. > > You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling based on the sound. Where were they in VA? > > Joyce > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad > reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after > 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound > ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our > wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my > eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took > ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and > e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees > ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post > his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears > Oisyo Looksfar > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c > 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My > father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from > others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but > who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/14/2011 02:51:27
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard
    2. Harriott Lomax
    3. PLEASE tell me what is a free slave? The truth, there is no such thing, a person is either enslaved or is free. If an individual was once enslaved then later emancipated, then that person is considered a freeD slave, one cannot be both. The first Africans, of record, that arrived in 1619 were treated lthe same as English indentured servants. Forced to work for a period of time then set free, there were several communities of free Blacks in Virginia even before the Revolution. Freedom did not come to the slaves until 1865 with the passage of the 13th ammendment to our Constitution. The Emancipation Proclaimation freed only the slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government. As for the Indians, can you blame them for not wanting to share their stories, they shared everything with the English, the first few years after their (the English) arrival. If it were not for the Indians the early settlers would have starved to death. What did they (the Indians) recieve in return? Their land was stolen away from them, their population was drastically deminished due to the diseases brought in by the English, and the English even tried to wipe out their culture and customes by trying to "civilize the heathans" teaching them their brand of Christianity rather than trying to understand the Indian's way of worshiping God. To top it all off. a little over a hundred years ago, a man by the name of Plecker ordered the "I" erased from the census rolls in VA. Harriott Searching for LOMAX (SC>VA), WASHINGTON (VA), MOORE (VA) BOOTH (VA) & ALSTON (NC>VA) > To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com > From: rough72666@aol.com > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0400 > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. > > You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling based on the sound. Where were they in VA? > > Joyce > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> > To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm > Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard > > > They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad > reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after > 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound > ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our > wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my > eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took > ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and > e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees > ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post > his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears > Oisyo Looksfar > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c > 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My > father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from > others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but > who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/13/2011 06:37:47
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard
    2. There were free slaves long before 1863 based on various reasons. It is true that to much is hidden and evn today tribes continue to keep stories among themselves. It woudl be wonderful if these stories were written and preserved for future generations. My lines are of mixed heritage as well in Virginia & most difficult to establish or find leads. There are thousands of families in Virginia that may never find the true facts about family lines resulting from indentured servants, slaves & native heritage. Many slave owners used poor people for their own selfish will & did not acknowledge or record them. They used their first name only or listed a slave with an age only etc. They also left many children in the wake of their selfish desires. You may consider how the name Lulisha is spelled and consider another spelling based on the sound. Where were they in VA? Joyce -----Original Message----- From: Betty Mathews <looksfar@gmail.com> To: virginia-indian-surnames <virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad reatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after 863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound ngry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our wn country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my eople did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took ur property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and e believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees ied on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post his so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears Oisyo Looksfar On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

    03/13/2011 04:31:22
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard
    2. Betty Mathews
    3. They hid it because to be Indian meant persecution, hatred and general bad treatment ranging from contempt to murder. Slaves weren't free until after 1863 so Indians were treated no better than slaves were. Sorry if I sound angry but Indians today are STILL treated like crap in some states of our own country. Let alone back then. My heritage has been stolen because my people did not want to leave Virginia and go to Oklahoma, Then came and took our property even though we dressed like whites, and lived like whites, and we believed that it would not happen. But it did and thousands of Cherokees died on a forced march that began in 1938 here is a link for you. I post this so you understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears Oisyo Looksfar On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Denise McDonald <vdmcd@aol.com> wrote: > I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c > 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My > father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from > others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but > who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/12/2011 10:02:19
    1. [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Howard
    2. Denise McDonald
    3. I am looking for any information regarding a George W Howard, born c 1842, who married a woman named Lulisha, b c 1845, in Virginia. My father has told me that they were indian, but hid that information from others. I do not understand why they would hid it at that time, but who knows. I cannot find any Lulishas listed... Thank you. Denise

    03/12/2011 06:27:30
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2
    2. Found this, hope it helps Parents of Robert * _Thomas Lassiter_ (http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15781459/family/familygroup?fpid=316697668&sid=316697670) (javascript:;) 1586 - 1650 * _Lilly E Ford_ (http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15781459/family/familygroup?fpid=316697670&sid=316697668) (javascript:;) 1605 - 1705 Husband * * Robert Lassiter B: * 1635 * _Nansemond, VA, USA_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316419662&eid=8990218198) D: * 1745 * _New Kent, New Kent, Virginia, United States_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316419662&eid=8990218199) * * (http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15781459/person/316419662?pg=32800&ret=316419662) * Wife * * Prudance Nee parents unknown B: * 1645 * _New Kent, New Kent, Virginia, United States_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316419663&eid=8990218203) D: * 1675 * _Nottoway Parrish, Amelia, Virginia, United States_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316419663&eid=8990218204) * _Marriage to Prudance Nee_ (http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15781459/person/316419662/fact/8998641402) _Nansemond, Virginia, United States _ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316419662&eid=8998641402) She was already having children by Robert in early 1660's. Additionally, there may be some evidence she died about age 41 from the Cherokees? If some of the speculation about her being Cherokee is true, they may have married in the Cherokee nation earlier. * * Relationship Events * Marriage * 1660? _Nansemond, Virginia, United States_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316419662&eid=8998641402) * Children * _Robert Lassiter_ (http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15781459/family/familygroup?fpid=318333688) (javascript:;) Son * 1664 _Nansemond, Virginia, United States_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=318333688&eid=8998641407) * 2 Feb 1764 _Albemarle, Stanly, North Carolina, United States_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=318333688&eid=8998641408) * * _John Lassiter_ (http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15781459/family/familygroup?fpid=316405329) (javascript:;) Son * 1669 _New Kent, Nansemond, Virginia, USA_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316405329&eid=8990154731) * 15 Jul 1759 _, Chowan, North Carolina, USA_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316405329&eid=8990154730) * * _Thomas Lassiter_ (http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15781459/family/familygroup?fpid=316697673) (javascript:;) Son * 2 Jun 1670 _, Nansemond, Virginia, USA_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316697673&eid=8991465778) * Feb 1746 _, Edgecombe, North Carolina, USA_ (http://places.ancestry.com/index.aspx?tid=15781459&pid=316697673&eid=8991465777) Wondering why I list Prudence's last name as Nee? Well the below post is why. Take it or leave it. I will try to reach Tamara Wheeler at the Salt Lake City Gen. Lib. for more information, as she says below that she has, on Robert Lassiter and any further information on Prudance's mother and/or father. Re: Prudance Nee and Robert LasaterPosted by: Tamara Wheeler (ID *****2557)Date: October 13, 2005 at 15:35:24In Reply to: Prudance Nee and Robert Lasater by Larry Stevens of 256 Hi Larry. I'm here at the Salt Lake City Genealogical Library, and the following is for you: Prudance Nee was born about 1637 in Virginia. She married Robert Lassiter, b. abt. 1635, Nansemond, Virginia, (spelling is correct from a public record of the time that listed him as a child in England) in about 1655 in Virginia. Further information on him is available, but I wasn't sure that was what you were after. They had one son, Thomas Lassiter, b. June/02/1670, Nansemond, Virginia; d. February/15/1745, Edgecombe, North Carolina. There is only a notation that Prudance's father was called "Nee", which can be a full name for any American Indian of that period. Her mother is not listed but I am looking for her diligently, and because the Cherokee are a matriarchal society, I am hopeful that some record of her may be found somewhere. It is very hard to find records back this far in the Americas, but sometimes you get lucky! Happy hunting for further information, and hopefully you'll share anything you find with me. As a matter of interest for you: Nansemond, VA was in the middle of the "Indian" territory of that time, and was considered "Indian" land. It is more than possible that Robert came from England, married Prudance, and was invited to remain on the land for as long as he chose. The Cherokee were considered "civilized" by the whites of the area, and he would not have had any reason to move away from his wife's home. It seems he might have died there, but his death and burial information is not listed and cannot be considered true until it has been verified. Prudance has no death or burial information listed at this time, either. I will continue looking. Tamara Wheeler _darleneallen_1_ (javascript:$Anc.load({type:'miniprofile', onSuccess:function(config){$MP.showMiniProfile(config);},ucdmid:'01791cb5-0001-0000-0000-000 000000000',contextType:0,contextValue:'',id:'f40e26ac'});) added this on 14 Aug 2009 ALSO Title: Land grants - wife Prudence was a member of the Cheroenhaka / Nottoway tribe Attached To: Prudance Lassiter (1635-1679) this members info was private, if you like I will try to contact to get the full story I hope this helps Robin In a message dated 4/21/2010 1:05:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, amariebeshear@yahoo.com writes: i just wanted to let yoy know of the possibility of nee not being her last name since she is indian. i searched cherokee nee and it came up maiden name and belonging to a certain tribe. it could be used in either way. you have to keep a open mind. i wanted you to be aware of the indian meaning of nee. have you looked for marriage bonds in the county? they might list a relitive. or searched the county archives and genealogy? marie --- On Thu, 4/15/10, alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Cc: "alice helton smith" <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 9:14 PM This is Prudance Nee that was married to Robert Lassiter ? This is her name annice beshear ? Why two names ? I wonder who her parents were ? I found Prudance on LDS records and fathers name was Guy ? Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith --- On Thu, 4/15/10, virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 7:02 AM Today's Topics: 1. Surname Nee (alice smith) 2. Re: Prudance Nee (annice beshear) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Surname Nee To: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com Cc: alice helton smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <767746.72727.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The surname I'm looking for is Nee, Prudance b. 1635 ? Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: annice beshear <amariebeshear@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Prudance Nee To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <282139.42811.qm@web52706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ??? hi alice- ? ??? i have done some indian research and ran across where some women ??? were trying?to get land in tx, or had been turned dn in trying.? it had a ??? group of indian women listed with first name and indian last name then ??? nee and a white last name.? i assumed it was in ref to a married last name. ? ????i may be wrong, but i have had a few good talks with a couple of tribal ??? agency people. if i were you i would check this out before i went futher. ? ??? there is also some cherokee web sites that teach cherokee.? maybe you ?? can check the nee out there. ? ?? marie in ok --- On Tue, 4/13/10, alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Prudance Nee To: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com Cc: "alice helton smith" <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 6:44 PM Looking for Prudance Nee b. 1635 married Robert Lassiter 1655 ? Thats all the information I have on Prudance ? ? Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES list administrator, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES mailing list, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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    04/21/2010 10:47:27
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2
    2. annice beshear
    3.        i just wanted to let yoy know of the possibility of nee not being her last        name since she is indian.          i searched cherokee nee and it came up maiden name and belonging        to a certain tribe.  it could be used in either way.          you have to keep a open mind.  i wanted you to be aware of the        indian meaning of nee.          have you looked for marriage bonds in the county?  they might list a        relitive.  or searched the county archives and genealogy?          marie        --- On Thu, 4/15/10, alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Cc: "alice helton smith" <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 9:14 PM This is Prudance Nee that was married to Robert Lassiter ? This is her name annice beshear ? Why two names ? I wonder who her parents were ? I found Prudance on LDS records and fathers name was Guy ?   Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith --- On Thu, 4/15/10, virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 7:02 AM Today's Topics:    1. Surname Nee (alice smith)    2. Re: Prudance Nee (annice beshear) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Surname Nee To: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com Cc: alice helton smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <767746.72727.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The surname I'm looking for is Nee, Prudance b. 1635 ? Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: annice beshear <amariebeshear@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Prudance Nee To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <282139.42811.qm@web52706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ??? hi alice- ? ??? i have done some indian research and ran across where some women ??? were trying?to get land in tx, or had been turned dn in trying.? it had a ??? group of indian women listed with first name and indian last name then ??? nee and a white last name.? i assumed it was in ref to a married last name. ? ????i may be wrong, but i have had a few good talks with a couple of tribal ??? agency people. if i were you i would check this out before i went futher. ? ??? there is also some cherokee web sites that teach cherokee.? maybe you ?? can check the nee out there. ? ?? marie in ok --- On Tue, 4/13/10, alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Prudance Nee To: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com Cc: "alice helton smith" <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 6:44 PM Looking for Prudance Nee b. 1635 married Robert Lassiter 1655 ? Thats all the information I have on Prudance ? ? Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------ To contact the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES list administrator, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES mailing list, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 ****************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/21/2010 06:05:40
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2
    2. alice smith
    3. This is Prudance Nee that was married to Robert Lassiter ? This is her name annice beshear ? Why two names ? I wonder who her parents were ? I found Prudance on LDS records and fathers name was Guy ?   Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith --- On Thu, 4/15/10, virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com <virginia-indian-surnames-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 7:02 AM Today's Topics:    1. Surname Nee (alice smith)    2. Re: Prudance Nee (annice beshear) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Surname Nee To: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com Cc: alice helton smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <767746.72727.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The surname I'm looking for is Nee, Prudance b. 1635 ? Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: annice beshear <amariebeshear@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Prudance Nee To: virginia-indian-surnames@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <282139.42811.qm@web52706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ??? hi alice- ? ??? i have done some indian research and ran across where some women ??? were trying?to get land in tx, or had been turned dn in trying.? it had a ??? group of indian women listed with first name and indian last name then ??? nee and a white last name.? i assumed it was in ref to a married last name. ? ????i may be wrong, but i have had a few good talks with a couple of tribal ??? agency people. if i were you i would check this out before i went futher. ? ??? there is also some cherokee web sites that teach cherokee.? maybe you ?? can check the nee out there. ? ?? marie in ok --- On Tue, 4/13/10, alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Prudance Nee To: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com Cc: "alice helton smith" <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 6:44 PM Looking for Prudance Nee b. 1635 married Robert Lassiter 1655 ? Thats all the information I have on Prudance ? ? Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------ To contact the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES list administrator, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES mailing list, send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 ******************************************************

    04/15/2010 01:14:48
    1. Re: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Prudance Nee
    2. annice beshear
    3.     hi alice-       i have done some indian research and ran across where some women     were trying to get land in tx, or had been turned dn in trying.  it had a     group of indian women listed with first name and indian last name then     nee and a white last name.  i assumed it was in ref to a married last name.       i may be wrong, but i have had a few good talks with a couple of tribal     agency people. if i were you i would check this out before i went futher.       there is also some cherokee web sites that teach cherokee.  maybe you    can check the nee out there.      marie in ok --- On Tue, 4/13/10, alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: alice smith <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES] Prudance Nee To: VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES@rootsweb.com Cc: "alice helton smith" <alice5105@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 6:44 PM Looking for Prudance Nee b. 1635 married Robert Lassiter 1655 ? Thats all the information I have on Prudance ?   Thank You ! Alice Helton Smith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VIRGINIA-INDIAN-SURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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