How do you plan to *use* the images? Try a full project scanning pictures, adding to a family book report or web page, adding details about the pictures to the files and reprinting or update a web page. My largest single word processor file has 50 images and largest family database in FTM has 750 inserted pictures. Usually save JPG images of family pictures scanned to the size for a specific purpose. Uncompressed TIF images are large files if you need to share attachments to e-mails. My favorite image software doesn't refer to Group 4. Uncompressed TIF images are sometimes more efficient than high quality JPG for source documents with limited colors. Some genealogy programs allow uncompressed TIF and some don't allow TIF at all. One archival size copy of each image is not enough. Plan organized sets of images that can be backed up as the organization changes over time and newer copies of backups sets are stored in remote locations. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Peters" > I was also wondering if one of you could explain to me the difference > between Group 4 and uncompressed .tif formats, and what the impact is on > quality, size, etc. Which is the preferred format, if any, in your opinion?

Since I am fairly new to all the expert ways of scanning, I wanted to say that this list has already been extremely helpful to me - a great resource, thanks! I was also wondering if one of you could explain to me the difference between Group 4 and uncompressed .tif formats, and what the impact is on quality, size, etc. Which is the preferred format, if any, in your opinion? Thank you in advance, Irene Peters

In a message dated 1/14/02 10:03:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, VINTAGE-PHOTOS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << They are in a metal can with a lid. They are kept sealed as they emit a horrible odor when uncovered. When we did try viewing them, some of them were falling apart. How do I continue to preserve them? And would anyone know of a historical society interested in restoring them? I have already tried contacting the county historical society and have had no luck there. >> Your film sounds like it is nitrate based film which is highly flammable and could combust as it obviously is deteriorating. I doubt if any society would want them due to the fire danger. You might contact Wright Patterson Air Force base about them as they used to house nitrate film, but it is considered hazardous. Contact Eastman Kodak to see if they know of anyone in your area that could put the film on safety film, but probably would be expensive. Diane Gagel

One of the archives that collects amateur films is the Northeast Historic Film Archive. They can answer your questions. I've found them very helpful. You can reach them at Northeast Historic Film http://www.oldfilm.org/ Maureen Taylor www.taylorandstrong.com -----Original Message----- From: Thomas H F Kidman [mailto:kidman@onetel.net.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:47 PM To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] RE: Historical 8mm film preservation Historic amateur 8mm films are certainly of value. I work for the British Film Institute and we are planning on using some on our current project which involves putting 1,000 hours of moving image (motion picture) on the web for education purposes (bfi screen online). Old film, especially the 'un-safe' nitrate film, can fall apart and requires specialist handling. One needs to go to a specialist laboratory who will 'bake' it and copy to a new master. Because of the fragility of the emulsion they usually get just one attempt. This may not be a cheap process! Another route involves the same baking process but then the film goes through a 'telecine' to produce whatever video format you would like. Telecine machines are very expensive and the going rate in Soho (London) would be 200 to 700 pounds sterling per hour of film depending on the quality of transfer, how much of a rush etc and the cost of the output video tape is extra. Typically one would go onto Sony Digital Betacam which is roughly 20 pounds per hour for the tape medium. It would not be worth telecine-ing to VHS as the VHS quality is so poor. There is a national archive in the UK that has a regular trawl for amateur 8mm film in order that they can preserve it for posterity and one would hope there are similar archives in other countries. I can't remember the name of the UK archive. With moving image as with stills there is the problem of 'rights'. It may be that your father's employer has the rights to the films and would have to agree to their copying, re-use, archiving etc. Rights are a massive legal mine-field! -----Original Message----- From: Maria Anna Esparza [mailto:MESPARZA1@satx.rr.com] Sent: 13 January 2002 20:30 To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Re: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-D Digest V02 #5 I have in my possession some old 8mm films of my hometown, taken by my father's employer in the 1930's to 1950's. He has passed away, as has his wife and my father. The films have historical value, and I invested in converting one of them to video format, as he filmed my parents' wedding in 1940. They are in a metal can with a lid. They are kept sealed as they emit a horrible odor when uncovered. When we did try viewing them, some of them were falling apart. How do I continue to preserve them? And would anyone know of a historical society interested in restoring them? I have already tried contacting the county historical society and have had no luck there. Any suggestions? Thanks. Maria ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== We have over 223 members of the Vintage-Photos Mailing List. Posting back to the list helps the whole group, not just one person. If we work as a team, we'll succeed as a team. To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Jon, one of the common causes of conflicts with new programs is that they have been installed while other programs are running in the background. When you install ANY program it is a "must" that ALL programs except EXPLORER (your Windows system) and SYSTRAY, are closed down. You do this by pressing CTRL-ALT-DELETE highlighting each program, in turn, in the window that lists them, then click END TASK. Repeat this until you are left only with the above two. Then, do a normal Windows install. That is click START|SETTINGS|CONTROL PANEL|INSTALL and then browse to where you have the program's setup file or CD. Click open and follow the on-screen prompts. The reason these steps are necessary is that Windows shares files through the Registry. So, if a program is installed, while another is running, that running program may be using a "shared" file. Later when you come to do a particular task in the new program, you get a message similar to the one you have received. This is because a conflict has developed over which program has the use of the shared file. Windows doesn't recognize your new program as being "registered" to use that particular file in its Registry. What I would suggest you do is delete the program again, then close down everything, as above. When that is done, follow the install steps as above. The other benefit from doing this required procedure, is that the program can be uninstalled cleanly and neatly at a later date, if the need arises. Windows will know just which files were installed with this program and know where to uninstall them from. In 99% of cases of problems with a new installation, it is usually an incorrect installation that is the culprit. And, in case you have a lot of programs to close down, there is a handy - FREE - utility program called EndItAll, which will do that task very efficiently for you. Find it at: http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s%253D1478%2526a%253D10165,00.asp It's also a great aid when you want to run DEFRAG or SCANDISK. I use it every day for one purpose or another. Lance -----Original Message----- From: Jon [mailto:jon-370@att.net] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 7:17 AM To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] ACDSee software Has anyone use ACDSee digital imaging software? I have just purchased a copy and it started to work OK but now is giving me trouble. This is what is happening to me. Initially when I tried to select a file from MY Favorites it worked. The then trouble started. The program was NOT responding when I tried to select a file from MY Favorites. It would respond if I select from the CD list. Then: I un-install ACDsee 4.0 and reinstalled it several times (maybe 10) but it still would NOT select any file in MY Favorites. Now: The program WILL NOT respond at all. I just get the startup image and the HOUR glass symbol. When I do a Ctrl+Alt+Del, the pop up screen tell me the ACDSee is NOT RESPONDING. My O/S is Win98 Please HELP me. Jon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Historic amateur 8mm films are certainly of value. I work for the British Film Institute and we are planning on using some on our current project which involves putting 1,000 hours of moving image (motion picture) on the web for education purposes (bfi screen online). Old film, especially the 'un-safe' nitrate film, can fall apart and requires specialist handling. One needs to go to a specialist laboratory who will 'bake' it and copy to a new master. Because of the fragility of the emulsion they usually get just one attempt. This may not be a cheap process! Another route involves the same baking process but then the film goes through a 'telecine' to produce whatever video format you would like. Telecine machines are very expensive and the going rate in Soho (London) would be 200 to 700 pounds sterling per hour of film depending on the quality of transfer, how much of a rush etc and the cost of the output video tape is extra. Typically one would go onto Sony Digital Betacam which is roughly 20 pounds per hour for the tape medium. It would not be worth telecine-ing to VHS as the VHS quality is so poor. There is a national archive in the UK that has a regular trawl for amateur 8mm film in order that they can preserve it for posterity and one would hope there are similar archives in other countries. I can't remember the name of the UK archive. With moving image as with stills there is the problem of 'rights'. It may be that your father's employer has the rights to the films and would have to agree to their copying, re-use, archiving etc. Rights are a massive legal mine-field! -----Original Message----- From: Maria Anna Esparza [mailto:MESPARZA1@satx.rr.com] Sent: 13 January 2002 20:30 To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Re: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-D Digest V02 #5 I have in my possession some old 8mm films of my hometown, taken by my father's employer in the 1930's to 1950's. He has passed away, as has his wife and my father. The films have historical value, and I invested in converting one of them to video format, as he filmed my parents' wedding in 1940. They are in a metal can with a lid. They are kept sealed as they emit a horrible odor when uncovered. When we did try viewing them, some of them were falling apart. How do I continue to preserve them? And would anyone know of a historical society interested in restoring them? I have already tried contacting the county historical society and have had no luck there. Any suggestions? Thanks. Maria

It is not ACDSee. It is your Favorites, they are web pages and some time they don't stay. Close ACD down and go to favorites to see if you pull it up. I had the same problem, moved what I wanted from favorites to MY Documents. Works for me. Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" <jon-370@att.net> To: <VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] ACDSee software > Has anyone use ACDSee digital imaging software? > I have just purchased a copy and it started to work OK but now is giving me trouble. > This is what is happening to me. > > Initially when I tried to select a file from MY Favorites it worked. > > The then trouble started. > The program was NOT responding when I tried to select a file from MY Favorites. > It would respond if I select from the CD list. > > Then: > I un-install ACDsee 4.0 and reinstalled it several times (maybe 10) but it still would NOT select any file in MY Favorites. > > Now: > The program WILL NOT respond at all. I just get the startup image and the HOUR glass symbol. > When I do a Ctrl+Alt+Del, the pop up screen tell me the ACDSee is NOT RESPONDING. > > My O/S is Win98 > > Please HELP me. > > Jon > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > List problems? Contact the Vintage-Photos -List Mom kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > Use Kathleen as the subject line for your post > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Has anyone use ACDSee digital imaging software? I have just purchased a copy and it started to work OK but now is giving me trouble. This is what is happening to me. Initially when I tried to select a file from MY Favorites it worked. The then trouble started. The program was NOT responding when I tried to select a file from MY Favorites. It would respond if I select from the CD list. Then: I un-install ACDsee 4.0 and reinstalled it several times (maybe 10) but it still would NOT select any file in MY Favorites. Now: The program WILL NOT respond at all. I just get the startup image and the HOUR glass symbol. When I do a Ctrl+Alt+Del, the pop up screen tell me the ACDSee is NOT RESPONDING. My O/S is Win98 Please HELP me. Jon

The simplest cleaning fluid to use is Industrial Spirits, effectively denatured alcohol. One can use straight ethyl alcohol but in the UK tax is payable at a high rate whereas Industrial Spririts is more cost effective but requires a Customs permit to buy and store for a particular purpose. I have successfully used industrial spirits for years after reading about it in the British Journal Photographic Almanac/Annual. They also suggest the following: "To remove greasy finger marks and dirt prepare:- Ethyl alcohol 85 parts Methyl alcohol 10 parts Ammonia 0.880 5 parts NOTE: Methylated spirit can NOT be used as a substitute for the ethyl alcohol. Pass the film through a folded chamois or linen pad moistened with the solution and held with the fingers." Their other option I used to use but is now out of the question as it contaIns Carbon Tetrachloride which was banned by the Montreal Protocol! -----Original Message----- From: JB Wilson [mailto:designs@hevanet.com] Sent: 12 January 2002 02:51 To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Cleaning Negatives Hello list, I have been cleaning out an attic pending my folks moving. I have found several negatives which were not stored properly. I would like to clean them and have them printed. Any suggestions as what to use, if any, to clean these negatives. BTW, the negatives are black and white. Thanks. JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR

I have in my possession some old 8mm films of my hometown, taken by my father's employer in the 1930's to 1950's. He has passed away, as has his wife and my father. The films have historical value, and I invested in converting one of them to video format, as he filmed my parents' wedding in 1940. They are in a metal can with a lid. They are kept sealed as they emit a horrible odor when uncovered. When we did try viewing them, some of them were falling apart. How do I continue to preserve them? And would anyone know of a historical society interested in restoring them? I have already tried contacting the county historical society and have had no luck there. Any suggestions? Thanks. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: <VINTAGE-PHOTOS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <VINTAGE-PHOTOS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-D Digest V02 #5 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/2002

Based upon the responses from this group, I have a hunch the film I have is not exposed. But I think it is worth a run to the photo lab. I know they will be able to tell by looking at the cannisters. If you all didn't think I was crazy, I guess the lab won't laugh too much. <grin> If the cannisters are unused film, I will just toss them. I'm sure they are too old to waste the time taking pictures. Thanks for all your suggestions. Phyllis in NJ

I used Energine dry cleaning fluid in my photo classroom for years. You can buy it at a hardware store. Photo neg. chemical cleaner is much more expensive. Use a cotton ball with the solution. Ceil ----- Original Message ----- From: "JB Wilson" <designs@hevanet.com> To: <VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Cleaning Negatives > Hello list, > > I have been cleaning out an attic pending my folks moving. I have found > several negatives which were not stored properly. I would like to clean > them and have them printed. Any suggestions as what to use, if any, to > clean these negatives. BTW, the negatives are black and white. > > Thanks. > JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA > "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" > <designs@hevanet.com> > Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, > Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >

Phyllis, a good indication is if the film canister has a "tongue" of film sticking out. That may indicate it is still unused. Most cameras with auto rewind draw the exposed film completely back into the canister. But as one other respondent suggested, why not just have the films processed? Even just developed without prints will be an option to save that extra expense. Lance -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis Cloyd [mailto:pcloyd@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2002 10:00 AM To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Canister film -- exposed??? This has to be the dumbest question every posted here: How do I tell if a roll of film in a canister is exposed? Help.... Phyllis in NJ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Go ahead and have them developed! If they were exposed, you have the pictures. If they were not exposed, you're out the cost of the two rolls of film and the cost of developing but at least you don't have any doubts <g>. Regards, Don Haney in Carmel, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Cloyd" <pcloyd@earthlink.net> To: <VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Canister film -- exposed??? > This has to be the dumbest question every posted here: > > How do I tell if a roll of film in a canister is exposed? > > I was rummaging through my boxes of photo stuff and I found two 35mm film > canisters. It has been at least two years since I used a canister film. > I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember how to tell if it is unused film or > exposed. > > If it helps any, there is a tag end of film strip sticking out of the > canister. I'm guessing these are unused films, but I need to be sure. > > Help.... > > Phyllis in NJ > > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; > http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This has to be the dumbest question every posted here: How do I tell if a roll of film in a canister is exposed? I was rummaging through my boxes of photo stuff and I found two 35mm film canisters. It has been at least two years since I used a canister film. I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember how to tell if it is unused film or exposed. If it helps any, there is a tag end of film strip sticking out of the canister. I'm guessing these are unused films, but I need to be sure. Help.... Phyllis in NJ

Hello list, I have been cleaning out an attic pending my folks moving. I have found several negatives which were not stored properly. I would like to clean them and have them printed. Any suggestions as what to use, if any, to clean these negatives. BTW, the negatives are black and white. Thanks. JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" <designs@hevanet.com> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear List Members: The Holiday Season is over and I am back home again. I want to thank each of you for helping to keep our list running smoothly while I was spending Christmas with three of my children and their families in Delaware and Maryland. I had a wonderful time but came down the flu the day after Christmas which turned in to pneumonia so my week away from you turned into over two weeks. I am doing better, still weak and coughing but on the road to better heath. One other problem while I was away, I had downloaded a huge amount messages on my laptop while in Delaware and my laptop crashed. If you tried to send me a personal message from the 23rd to the 30th of December, I lost it and you will need to re-send. It is time again for your last Quarterly Report for 2001 as to the membership of the VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List and additional items of interest. The VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List has 272 members, 176 of these are subscribed to the Regular List and 96 to the Digest List. 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This is a good idea within this list. I suspect you would not want your offer to be known to the whole wide world though! Could you give more detail on what it is you hold? I'll do lookups too, in Glen C Phillips "The Ontario Photographers List" 2 vols go to 1925 Date forwarded: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:50:47 -0700 Date sent: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:19:05 -0500 From: Bill or Glenna Jo Christen <gwjchris@rust.net> Organization: The Curiosity Shop Subject: Re: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Indexes of Early Photographers To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > > > Fraser Dunford wrote: > > > I seem to be constantly trying to find out if John Doe was a > > photographer in the 1870's or the 1880's, or both. This is not easy > > to answer, particularly if the photographer was in another part of > > the world. Photos did travel!! > > I have not seen a website that is an index of indexes and I > > think > > one would be useful. > > Perhaps a start would be for us to list our own photography index > sources so we could do look ups. > > I have Ohio, Arizona, and the entire Ross Kelbaugh series, as well as > Darrah. > > Bill Christen > -- > gwjchris@rust.net > Visit our web site, "The Curiosity Shop" > http://www.rust.net/~gwjchris/ > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > We have over 223 members of the Vintage-Photos Mailing List. Posting > back to the list helps the whole group, not just one person. If we > work as a team, we'll succeed as a team. To learn more about my world > visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Diane has a key point here that we need to remember. My thought was a website that would list your book but not its contents, list other websites but not their contents. In other words an index of indexes. If someone had original data and wanted a web home for it, I'd be willing to put it up, but that wouldn't be the main emphasis of the site. Diane, could you e-mail me the complete name of your book including ISBN and how it can be purchased? I don't know of it (I've never had anything to do with US photos, just Canadian and British). Date forwarded: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:42:07 -0700 From: Dvgagel@aol.com Date sent: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:41:58 EST Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Re: VINTAGE- PHOTOS-D Digest V02 #1 To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > Hi, I am the author of the Ohio book on Photographers. I have read > the recent postings and feel the need to remind everyone that although > it is fine to do look ups from books you may have, it is not ok to > post anything on the net from a copyrighted source. FYI, there is a > book on Pennsylvania photographers now as well. In my second book, > Windows on the Past, I have a chapter on sources for photographer > directories, published and unpublished for each state and Canada as > well as guidelines on researching photographers. Good luck in your > research. Diane Gagel > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > We have over 223 members of the Vintage-Photos Mailing List. Posting > back to the list helps the whole group, not just one person. If we > work as a team, we'll succeed as a team. To learn more about my world > visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have a some glass negatives in 1913. My Mom still has the camera for making the glass negatives. I have other glass negatives in sizes up to 8" x 10". I have a lot of scanning to do. George At 10:57 PM 01/03/2002, you wrote: >A first cousin was married to the town's studio photographer who took family >portraits in the 1890s. He may have taken the family group lined up in 1895 >and the family home in eastern Canada. Relative took his second picture in >August 1898 and sent his brother a copy on a cardboard mount. A few >snapshots were taken in 1909 after the father of a family moved west. Those >are probably contact prints, not mounted. Don't know who owned the cameras. > >Grandparents had a camera before their 1913 honeymoon. Several young female >relatives in different households owned cameras in the middle 1920s showing >young people in the city, people and animals on the farm, country school >students and neighbors. One of those was a young student's prize at a >country fair. >Elizabeth in Canada > >----- Original Message ----- > > Could someone tell me when people started using cameras for home use? Is > > there a way to date photos by the paper or style? Thanks, Kathy > > > > > >==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== >NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political >announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, >etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. >Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett >kathleenburnett@earthlink.net >To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237