Reilly (Care and Identification of 19th Century Photographic Prints) says that this is caused by low humidity and is a serious problem. He doesn't say how to resolve it though. I suggest getting the photos into proper humidity (Reilly says 30 to 50%) and leaving them there for a while. The curl may go away and if not the photos will be better able to take straightening. Do not be in a hurry! Date forwarded: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:03:43 -0700 Date sent: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:04:51 -0900 From: JB Wilson <designs@hevanet.com> Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > Hello list, > Does anyone know of a way to flatten or straighten out old photos > which have become curled up on the edges? These are on photographic > paper circa 1907, sepia colored small photos which have not been > stored properly and have become curled at the edges. I would like to > straighten them out and store in acid-free sleeves. Any suggestions? > Thanks bunches. JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR :-) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA > "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" > <designs@hevanet.com> > Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, > Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & > Williams NY/PA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; > http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
You beat me to this question by about one day -- I, too, am eager to figure this out. I have tons of old photos from 1900-1935, all curled, and I can't think of a way to flatten them out that won't potentially damage them. Please post the answer here if you figure anything out. Thanks, Larry McQueary > -----Original Message----- > From: JB Wilson [mailto:designs@hevanet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:05 AM > To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled > > Hello list, > Does anyone know of a way to flatten or straighten out old photos which > have become curled up on the edges? These are on photographic paper circa > 1907, sepia colored small photos which have not been stored properly and > have become curled at the edges. I would like to straighten them out and > store in acid-free sleeves. Any suggestions? Thanks bunches. > JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR :-) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA > "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" > <designs@hevanet.com> > Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, > Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; > http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
Hello list, Does anyone know of a way to flatten or straighten out old photos which have become curled up on the edges? These are on photographic paper circa 1907, sepia colored small photos which have not been stored properly and have become curled at the edges. I would like to straighten them out and store in acid-free sleeves. Any suggestions? Thanks bunches. JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" <designs@hevanet.com> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi All, I have some questions about postcards... the kind that have family photos on them. I have one with a picture taken c1910 of some girls who lived in Chicago. The front of the postcard is embossed with "Montrose, Columbus, O." The question is: Does this mean that the photo was taken in Columbus, or did this Chicago family send away to a company in Ohio to have the postcards made? I have another one of an unknown guy at a WWI camp... the back of the postcard says "Fred L. Vermillion, Commercial Photographer, Springfield, Illinois." Again... does this mean the photo was taken in Springfield, or could it have been taken anywhere? Thanks for any insights! Jeanne Arguelles ejarguelles@msn.com
We have today added photographers from the 1870 Kelly's Directory of Shropshire to the Index of UK Photographers at http://www.users.waitrose.com/~rodliffe Rosemary & Stan Rodliffe
Thanks to all those who have given us information for the Index of UK Photographers, 1850-1950 at http://www.users.waitrose.com/~rodliffe We are adding data on individual photographers as we have time to add them to the database and update each county. We are adding links more speedily; the latest are: a fairly comprehensive list of photographers for the Isle of Man; an index of 19th century photographic portraits from a private album; and two more guides to dating 19th century photos. Rosemary & Stan Rodliffe
Hi Folks! It's been more than a month since I last sent a message about updates on the Baltimore City 19th-Century Photos website. There have been a number of new images uploaded. Whether or not you find something of interest regarding your family, please take a look at the two entries listed as Watercolor I and Watercolor II in the surnames index. These are fantastic finds from a new contributor Maureen Murdock who located two beautiful watercolor images made from photographs in the Baltimore studio of Kuhn and Cummins from the 1870s. Specifically, the artist appears to have been James Cummins. It is not unusual to find cabinet cards or even tintypes that have been "retouched" to give color to cheeks or eyes or jewelry, but the images listed as "Watercolor I & II" represent the "photographic artist" at his best. Please stop by for a visit because I know you'll enjoy these images. Don't forget that I'd be delighted to post any of your identified 19th-century Baltimore photos! Our address is: http://freepages.hobbies.rootsweb.com/~ruppert/ THANKS! Gary 24 March 2002 Baltimore http://home.att.net/~g.ruppert
We have now transcribed the 1920 directory entries for photographers in South Wales. The Index of UK photographers at http://www.users.waitrose.com/~rodliffe now has entries for 1884, 1910 & 1920. Once again thanks to Elizabeth of Tenby who provided us with photcopies of the directories. We will add 1881 census information if there is any interest and when we have some spare time. Stan Rodliffe Looking for long lost 2xgreat grandfather Henry EVANS
We have only just discovered this list while searching for more information to add to our Index of UK Photographers 1850-1950 at http://www.users.waitrose.com/~rodliffe We would welcome links to sites where indexes for UK photographers are already established or scans or photocopies of trade directories for us to transcribe. Rosemary & Stan Rodliffe
A few thoughts:- Black and white (monochrome) lasts far longer than colour - monochrome is based on silver whereas colour is based on dyes that fade. The longest lasting colour dyes are those used in the Cibachrome/Ilfochrome Classic transparency to print process (P3/P30/P3000). If you want to make long-lasting colour prints from negatives use a good paper such as Fuji Crystal Archive which is rated at 100 year live. By comparison no ink-jet paper will get near 30 years. (Remember those figures are life before one has lost a certain percentage not life before it has all gone.) As a better medium how about printing to plastic - one can get transparancy material for the Ilfochrome Classic and RA-4 (colour printing from negatives) processes and plastic may have a longer life than paper. (see Ilford CLM.1K or Fujiflex Crystal Archive). An alternative is a transparency - even if encapsulated it should be possible to print a copy from it. Once you have an image encapsulate it in hermetically sealed sheets of glass or overall plastic - keep out air, moisture, mites, fungi etc. Write the metadata on the back, who, where, when, what type of paper etc. If the image has faded then proper processes could recover it. Store several different versions! Tom -----Original Message----- From: KJlatsj@aol.com [mailto:KJlatsj@aol.com] Sent: 12 March 2002 07:36 To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Can anyone answer this q? Hello everyone, I don't know where I can ask this question, but thought someone here might be able to help. My FIL wants to seal up a picture of my MIL in the entombment (correct word?) area with her so that if it's ever opened up again people will know what she looked like. He wants the picture to last a very long time and would like to know how to preserve the picture for entombment? I don't think I've run across this topic before. So any help would be much appreciated. Thank you, Kathy
Bart, pay a visit to this site. They may be able to help you: http://www.kustomkeepsakes.com/racinggifts.htm Lance -----Original Message----- From: bart@spsp.net [mailto:bart@spsp.net] Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Can anyone answer this question? It is possible to have photos printed on a metal plate (this is how some printing is done). There are several of these around here, at outdoor historic site. Other than vandalism, they are in great shape after many years of exposure. I'd assume in a protected environment they would last virtualy forever. Bart Rosenberg Cincinnati --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 2002/03/14 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
It is possible to have photos printed on a metal plate (this is how some printing is done). There are several of these around here, at outdoor historic site. Other than vandalism, they are in great shape after many years of exposure. I'd assume in a protected environment they would last virtualy forever. Bart Rosenberg Cincinnati
Thank you everyone for giving us some ideas on how to preserve some photos of my MIL for entombment. We'll be sure to talk the ideas over with FIL when we see him soon. Thanks again :) Kathy
Why not have your FIL look at the possibility of a ceramic painting? A competent artist should be able to paint a portrait (from a photograph) onto a ceramic base, then have it glazed and fired to permanently seal the painting. Ceramics will last for 1,000's of years (they found ceramics in perfect condition under the ashes of Pompeii, I believe. Lance -----Original Message----- From: KJlatsj@aol.com [mailto:KJlatsj@aol.com] Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Can anyone answer this q? Hello everyone, I don't know where I can ask this question, but thought someone here might be able to help. My FIL wants to seal up a picture of my MIL in the entombment (correct word?) area with her so that if it's ever opened up again people will know what she looked like. He wants the picture to last a very long time and would like to know how to preserve the picture for entombment? I don't think I've run across this topic before. So any help would be much appreciated. Thank you, Kathy --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.333 / Virus Database: 187 - Release Date: 2002/03/08 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Hello Kathy. I was in Schuyler, NE two years ago and there are pictures on two tombstones of my family and they were in great shape. I would suggest contacting a mortuary in Schuyler and asking how it's done or any mortuary for that matter. Cindy California
Hi .. This is a great question that I want to know the answer to also ... Sooo I took the liberty of posting your message to Google Newsgroups "alt photography " ( minus your email address of course) and heres the first answer so far ,,,,, if you want to watch the answers come in go to that Group and look for the message titled "QUESTION: Photo for Entombment : Need Everlasting Image " Heres the reply.......... That's a difficult question.. Mostly it is also a money question.. But bear in mind that it is virtually impossible to make any kind of print that'll last forever. There are a few options that'll help prolong the life, though. If the picture is kept inside a tomb, I'd guess it will be usually in total darkness, or very dim light, right? This will keep the print from fading for a long time. You now have to options, : 1) Have it printed by a specialist photolab on archival (acid-free) paper. 2) Have it printed on a top quality inkjet printer with archival inks (such as Epson 5000) I think a good quality archival print will outlive any inkjet print, though. Since I take it you don't want the print kept in a box, but keep it 'visible' to those who enter the tomb, I'd suggest you have it laminated, this will keep moisture, mold, dust etc.on the print. The plastic might get dirty, but can be wiped easily. But I really have no idea how long a print will keep in this case. Maybe you should pay a visit to a local (art)museum and make an appointment to see the curator, he/she will be happy to point you in the right direction, give you advice. And talk to a 'pro' lab for prints and ask what's the best way to have lasting prints made. Joe Bott DeadFreds Genealogy Photo Archive http://www.deadfred.com
I have Uploaded a c1880s DURNING Family Photo Album ,Boston Mass to The DeadvFred's Genealogy Photo Archive http://www.deadfred.com . There are 34 pages of photos representing approx 50 Photos of Identified and Unidentifed family members. To View the album Type PHOTO ALBUM-DURNING in the Surname slot or Select P in the alphabet list and Scroll down to Photo Album-Durning Joe Bott DeadFreds Genealogy Photo Archive http://www.deadfred.com
Hi Kathy Do you mean a length of time of thousands of years, when archaelogists might open the grave and find a sealed box with the photo inside? I think you need scientific help, or even an archaelogist might be able to point you in the right direction, just an idea. I've seen headstones with a photo of the people on them, but it's a new idea here. It could be done the way the Ancient Egyptians did theirs, drawings on the wall, then enclosed. There might be a better way, instead of using a paper photo, use tessera. Then paint the picture of the lady on the tessera surface, and if it gets broken, then the pieces can be put together and a face will be revealed. The tessera can be placed in a sealed box, which should protect it's colours. The Greeks and Romans made floors etc., as you probably know and we see their work today. :) Ask a Stone Mason what type of glaze is used. Cheers Dig
In a message dated 3/12/02 7:10:51 AM Central Standard Time, hobusch@camalott.com writes: > I've even seen a few tombstones with photos on the stone, visible to those > who visit the grave, I've only noticed these in the last few years, so > can't guess if they weather well over time. I liked the effect of some > better than others. > My great-grandmother's picture is on her stone in North Dakota. She died pre-1950 and the picture is still very clear. I cannot remember how it was done but seems like it is encased in plastic/plexiglass dome type frame. Sorry I can't be more help. Jana McBroom
My ancestor has a photo on his tombstone that was placed there in 1906 and it is perfect today. It looks like it was put there yesterday. Sadly enough I have seen in many cemeteries where these photos on the tombstones have been chiseled out by someone. At any rate, after almost 100 years, my ancestor's photo remains and is picture perfect!! Elaine in Nebraska >From: Janamcb@aol.com >Reply-To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com >To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Can anyone answer this q? >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:21:39 EST > >In a message dated 3/12/02 7:10:51 AM Central Standard Time, >hobusch@camalott.com writes: > > > > I've even seen a few tombstones with photos on the stone, visible to >those > > who visit the grave, I've only noticed these in the last few years, so > > can't guess if they weather well over time. I liked the effect of some > > better than others. > > >My great-grandmother's picture is on her stone in North Dakota. She died >pre-1950 and the picture is still very clear. I cannot remember how it was >done but seems like it is encased in plastic/plexiglass dome type frame. >Sorry I can't be more help. > >Jana McBroom > > > >==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== >The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen, >or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. >To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com