Hello List, Can anyone help me find regular 8 splicing tape for splicing movie film. My husband and I are knee deep in a project splicing old family movies from the '40's, 50's and 60's. We bought the last of the splicing tape in our town of Lincoln, Nebraska. I have gone on line to Kodak's website but can't seem to find any mention of being able to order the tape. Does anyone know where I can write or send for more of this tape so we can finish our project. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Elaine Lincoln, Neb. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

We have added the 1902 Kelly's directory data to our Index of UK Photographers at http://www.users.waitrose.com/~rodliffe If you have access to any sources, such as directories or census data, which cover the 1850s, 1860s & 1870s and are prepared to send us a photocopy or scan, please let us know so that we can add them to the index. Rosemary & Stan Rodliffe

1910 *Sentinel* University Of Montana ,Missoula,MT YearBook Student photos have been uploaded to Dead Fred's Genealogy Photo Archive http://www.deadfred.com To pull up all the information and images .. type UOM in the photographers slot in “Detailed Search” To see a list of the other annuals uploaded go to http://www.deadfred.com/search/annuals.html Regards Joe Bott DeadFreds Genealogy Photo Archive Joe Bott DeadFreds Genealogy Photo Archive http://www.deadfred.com

We have begun transcribing photographers from census & trade directories for Cornwall. The 1861 census and 1939 Kelly's directory data have been uploaded to our Index of UK Photographers at http://www.users.waitrose.com/~rodliffe Entries from the following Kelly's Directories of Cornwall are on the desk: 1878, 1889, 1893, 1897, 1902, 1906, 1910, 1914, 1919, 1923, 1926 & 1930. If you have access to any sources which cover the 1850s, 1860s & 1870s and are prepared to send us a photocopy or scan, please let us know so that we can add them to the index. Rosemary & Stan Rodliffe

Hi Folks: I've just uploaded a number of new and interesting photos to the Baltimore City Nineteenth-Century Photos website. http://freepages.hobbies.rootsweb.com/~ruppert/ If you are searching for Schmidt ancestors, you're in luck as two submitters have sent in quite a number of photos from unrelated Schmidt families. A few weeks ago, I found a **really** interesting album in a local antique shop. It's very small, leather bound and contains 12 CDVs (carte de visite photos) that date from roughly 1855 to 1868! It appears to have been owned by a Baltimorean but there are images from outside the city as well. Unfortunately, only one Baltimore image is identified, that of Anna Davis a young girl from roughly 1865. There are two other identified photos, one of Alexander Goodridge and the other Robert Grimshaw. Both are from studios outside Baltimore, but Grimshaw's includes his birthdate, 7 Feb 1788! A great photo of an elderly gent with top hat and walking stick. To view the entire album, you must go to the photo of Anna Davis (use the index) and then click on the slide show on her page. It's a new technique for me. There are a bunch of other photos that I want to upload soon, hopefully in the next couple of weeks. Stay Tuned! Gary 10 April 2002 Baltimore http://home.att.net/~g.ruppert

Hello All, I'm new to the list and have enjoyed browsing the archives for past subjects. One that I'm sure has been covered but I haven't found yet is proper labeling of old photos. My gr-grand uncle passed recently and his step-children were kind enough to call and ask if I wanted his old pictures. I went this weekend to pick them up and learned that some of the 'good' ones that I really wished for are being kept for a cousin of mine, but the family let me borrow them to scan. Since they are the step-children, they don't know the identity or dates of many of the photos while I do. In exchange for me borrowing them, they ask that I identify who is in the photos so they are labeled when I return them. What is the best method for labeling photos dated 1920 to present time without damage arising from this in the future? How many times have I seen photos labeled with pen that then leaks to the photo behind it, or labeld with pencil that is now faded and hard to read. Thanks in advanced, Rene' DH Bartolome -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Email.com http://www.email.com/?sr=signup

This has been an incredibly helpful thread, and now I'm going to try the same procedure that JB did. I apologize for asking this FAQ-type question, but where can one obtain all this "acid-free" stuff and mylar sleeves, etc? Will most camera shops have these things, or can someone suggest a good source? Thanks, Larry McQueary > -----Original Message----- > From: JB Wilson [mailto:designs@hevanet.com] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:13 AM > To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Re: Old Photos - Curled > > Hello list, > I wanted to share my final result with you after many of you gave me ideas > on how to uncurl two of my old photos. > > First I filled a 2 qt. saucepan about 1/3 full of water, placed a wire > rack > on top of a small jar which I placed in the middle of the pan. I put a > layer of acid-free paper over the rack, placed the photos on the acid- > free > paper, photo side up, and put the lid on the pan. By morning the larger > one > had uncurled about 90%. The next day I took the photo out and used another > piece of acid-free paper as a blotter and soaked up the extra moisture > from > the photo. That took 4-5 blots. I taped the tear with my acid-free repair > tape, and placed the photo in a mylar photo sleeve and placed the sleeve > under a light-weight paperback book for about 24 hours. The photo seems to > be fine, has retained its flatness after I took it out from under the > book. > The same was done with the other smaller photo. Both seem to be doing > fine. > > Thanks for all your suggestions. What a wonderful list!! JB Wilson > > ---------------------- > > >At a seminar on conservation, I once heard that old curled/rolled photos > >could be put into a homemade humidity chamber. Take a 5 gal plastic pail > >and put water an inch or so in the bottom. Place a grill or grate above > >the water line and then stand the photo the pail and put the on. Check > >every few days, it might take a few weeks or maybe even 2 months but we > >were told they would unroll. > > > >One of the articles below explains that the paper and emulsion expand > >and contract at different rates-thus the curling. > > > >Interesting article under 'museums & galleries commission' then > >'photographic materials' > >http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ > > > >The NARA site says never to force a rolled photo to unroll, as once the > >emulsion cracks it will always be cracked. > >http://www.nara.gov/arch/faqs/aboutph.html > > > >The Minnesota Historical Society PDF on photographic materials > >http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ > > > >http://aic.stanford.edu/treasure/photos.html > > > >JB Wilson wrote: > > > >> Hi again, > >> They are curled in. Any suggestions for how to obtain/maintain a 30% > >>humidity? > >> > >> I really appreciate the list and all the suggestions! Thank you all! > >> JB Wilson :-) > >> > > > > > >==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > >We have over 223 members of the Vintage-Photos Mailing List. Posting back > >to the list helps the whole group, not just one person. If we work as a > >team, > >we'll succeed as a team. > >To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA > "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" > <designs@hevanet.com> > Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, > Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; > http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Larry, I get my stuff from Light Impressions http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com There are others, too, Print File is another I have used. http://www.pfile.com/ Both of these companies have excellent sources for acid-free, preservation materials. Good Luck on your project! JB :-) --------------------- >This has been an incredibly helpful thread, and now I'm going to try the >same procedure that JB did. > >I apologize for asking this FAQ-type question, but where can one obtain >all this "acid-free" stuff and mylar sleeves, etc? Will most camera >shops have these things, or can someone suggest a good source? > >Thanks, >Larry McQueary > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JB Wilson [mailto:designs@hevanet.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:13 AM >> To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Re: Old Photos - Curled >> >> Hello list, >> I wanted to share my final result with you after many of you gave me >ideas >> on how to uncurl two of my old photos. >> >> First I filled a 2 qt. saucepan about 1/3 full of water, placed a wire >> rack >> on top of a small jar which I placed in the middle of the pan. I put a >> layer of acid-free paper over the rack, placed the photos on the >acid- >> free >> paper, photo side up, and put the lid on the pan. By morning the >larger >> one >> had uncurled about 90%. The next day I took the photo out and used >another >> piece of acid-free paper as a blotter and soaked up the extra moisture >> from >> the photo. That took 4-5 blots. I taped the tear with my acid-free >repair >> tape, and placed the photo in a mylar photo sleeve and placed the >sleeve >> under a light-weight paperback book for about 24 hours. The photo >seems to >> be fine, has retained its flatness after I took it out from under the >> book. >> The same was done with the other smaller photo. Both seem to be doing >> fine. >> >> Thanks for all your suggestions. What a wonderful list!! JB Wilson >> >> ---------------------- >> >> >At a seminar on conservation, I once heard that old curled/rolled >photos >> >could be put into a homemade humidity chamber. Take a 5 gal plastic >pail >> >and put water an inch or so in the bottom. Place a grill or grate >above >> >the water line and then stand the photo the pail and put the on. >Check >> >every few days, it might take a few weeks or maybe even 2 months but >we >> >were told they would unroll. >> > >> >One of the articles below explains that the paper and emulsion expand >> >and contract at different rates-thus the curling. >> > >> >Interesting article under 'museums & galleries commission' then >> >'photographic materials' >> >http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ >> > >> >The NARA site says never to force a rolled photo to unroll, as once >the >> >emulsion cracks it will always be cracked. >> >http://www.nara.gov/arch/faqs/aboutph.html >> > >> >The Minnesota Historical Society PDF on photographic materials >> >http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ >> > >> >http://aic.stanford.edu/treasure/photos.html >> > >> >JB Wilson wrote: >> > >> >> Hi again, >> >> They are curled in. Any suggestions for how to obtain/maintain a >30% >> >>humidity? >> >> >> >> I really appreciate the list and all the suggestions! Thank you >all! >> >> JB Wilson :-) >> >> >> > >> > >> >==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== >> >We have over 223 members of the Vintage-Photos Mailing List. Posting >back >> >to the list helps the whole group, not just one person. If we work >as a >> >team, >> >we'll succeed as a team. >> >To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >> >go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA >> "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" >> <designs@hevanet.com> >> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, >Runtujärvi, >> Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams >NY/PA >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== >> Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; >> http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html >> To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >> go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== >If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Vintage-Photos list, use >Vintage-Photos -l-request@rootsweb.com. >To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" <designs@hevanet.com> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello list, I wanted to share my final result with you after many of you gave me ideas on how to uncurl two of my old photos. First I filled a 2 qt. saucepan about 1/3 full of water, placed a wire rack on top of a small jar which I placed in the middle of the pan. I put a layer of acid-free paper over the rack, placed the photos on the acid-free paper, photo side up, and put the lid on the pan. By morning the larger one had uncurled about 90%. The next day I took the photo out and used another piece of acid-free paper as a blotter and soaked up the extra moisture from the photo. That took 4-5 blots. I taped the tear with my acid-free repair tape, and placed the photo in a mylar photo sleeve and placed the sleeve under a light-weight paperback book for about 24 hours. The photo seems to be fine, has retained its flatness after I took it out from under the book. The same was done with the other smaller photo. Both seem to be doing fine. Thanks for all your suggestions. What a wonderful list!! JB Wilson ---------------------- >At a seminar on conservation, I once heard that old curled/rolled photos >could be put into a homemade humidity chamber. Take a 5 gal plastic pail >and put water an inch or so in the bottom. Place a grill or grate above >the water line and then stand the photo the pail and put the on. Check >every few days, it might take a few weeks or maybe even 2 months but we >were told they would unroll. > >One of the articles below explains that the paper and emulsion expand >and contract at different rates-thus the curling. > >Interesting article under 'museums & galleries commission' then >'photographic materials' >http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ > >The NARA site says never to force a rolled photo to unroll, as once the >emulsion cracks it will always be cracked. >http://www.nara.gov/arch/faqs/aboutph.html > >The Minnesota Historical Society PDF on photographic materials >http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ > >http://aic.stanford.edu/treasure/photos.html > >JB Wilson wrote: > >> Hi again, >> They are curled in. Any suggestions for how to obtain/maintain a 30% >>humidity? >> >> I really appreciate the list and all the suggestions! Thank you all! >> JB Wilson :-) >> > > >==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== >We have over 223 members of the Vintage-Photos Mailing List. Posting back >to the list helps the whole group, not just one person. If we work as a >team, >we'll succeed as a team. >To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" <designs@hevanet.com> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear List Members, The First Quarterly Report for 2002 is going to be just a little different than the one I usually send to the Mailing Lists I take care of. I tore my Rotator Cuff in November of last year and I find that I cannot spend long hours typing on the computer during the healing process, therefore I am going to send out one message to all of my lists and skip posting the membership numbers this time. I promise to get back to our normal reporting next quarter. Typing over 200 messages is just more than this shoulder and arm can take. There are a few items I would like to suggest for the benefit of each of us. 1. If someone posts a message to the list that should not have been posted, please just delete it. Know that I am taking care of the problem. If you post your unhappiness, then you just continue on the problem. I know it is hard when your heart has been offended, but for my sake, and the sake of the list, please just delete it. Rootsweb has a wonderful Spam Detective and it stops most of it. You should see what comes across my screen. I have to look at each of them to make sure that what was stopped was truly Spam. Once in a while, one slips by though and if this happens, just delete it and go on with what we all love, genealogical research. 2. If you would put the subject of your posting in the subject line it might give you a better chance to attract the attention of someone who has the information you are looking for or the attention of someone who is searching for the information you are posting. 3. Please remember to delete the tags and un-needed words when you re-send a message to the list with your answer. If you don't check this, your responses can become quite large and may cause problems with some of our member's servers. This member who might not be able to receive your message because of its size, just might be your long lost second cousin with all the answers you are looking for. 4. The wonderful relationship that develops between list members is also one of a Mailing Lists Problems. I encourage you to respond to the entire list with genealogical responses, you never know who your response will help. In the same thought I would like to ask you to not respond to the entire list with personal responses. Such as, the first message from a member says "Happy Birthday Mary" and then Mary says "Thank you” and then about 60 of our members also send "Happy Birthday Mary". This is what I mean by personal messages. Just keep in mind anything is ok to be posted as long as it has to do with the subject of the list. If you have a doubt ask me. KathleenBurnett@earthlink.net 5. Remember to keep your Virus protection up to date and never open any attached file unless you are 100% sure what it is and even then you are taking a chance. If you do notice that one of our members has a virus, please do not post their name and e-mail address across the list. Let me know and I will take care of the problem. Most likely the member already knows and is in a major state of stress. Receiving messages of each of us will only cause his or her stress level to rise. If you are interested in knowing about other mailing list out there, one of the very best inventories of genealogical mailing lists is John Fuller’s Genealogy Resources on the Internet located at http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html If you ever need to unsubscribe from this list or any Rootsweb list all you need to do is visit Password Central located at http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ Follow the instructions and you will receive an e-mail of all lists you belong to and from it you can unsubscribe from the ones you want to. Always know that I will be more than happy to help you if you are having problems unsubscribing, you only need to ask. If you would like to visit the Archived messages of this list, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and type in the name of the list you would like to search. Please remember, so that this list is better for each of us, the posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc., in other words Spam is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact me at KathleenBurnett@earthlink.net I want to thank each of you for your continued support of me and your willingness to help make this list the success it is. Kathleen Burnett List Mom KathleenBurnett@earthlink.net

Hello list, I just wanted to thank all of you for the many ideas for uncurling my photos. Fortunately there are only a couple that I must deal with. I was pleased that my inquiry resulted in such a educational and spirited discussion. I think I'll try the least invasive (below) first and go from there. If and when I get them straightened out, I'll post to the list. Thanks again to all for your sage advice. JB Wilson ------------------ >At a seminar on conservation, I once heard that old curled/rolled photos >could be put into a homemade humidity chamber. Take a 5 gal plastic pail >and put water an inch or so in the bottom. Place a grill or grate above >the water line and then stand the photo the pail and put the on. Check >every few days, it might take a few weeks or maybe even 2 months but we >were told they would unroll. > >One of the articles below explains that the paper and emulsion expand >and contract at different rates-thus the curling. > >Interesting article under 'museums & galleries commission' then >'photographic materials' >http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ > >The NARA site says never to force a rolled photo to unroll, as once the >emulsion cracks it will always be cracked. >http://www.nara.gov/arch/faqs/aboutph.html > >The Minnesota Historical Society PDF on photographic materials >http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ > >http://aic.stanford.edu/treasure/photos.html > >JB Wilson wrote: > >> Hi again, >> They are curled in. Any suggestions for how to obtain/maintain a 30% >>humidity? >> >> I really appreciate the list and all the suggestions! Thank you all! >> JB Wilson :-) >> > > >==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== >We have over 223 members of the Vintage-Photos Mailing List. Posting back >to the list helps the whole group, not just one person. If we work as a >team, >we'll succeed as a team. >To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" <designs@hevanet.com> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

At a seminar on conservation, I once heard that old curled/rolled photos could be put into a homemade humidity chamber. Take a 5 gal plastic pail and put water an inch or so in the bottom. Place a grill or grate above the water line and then stand the photo the pail and put the on. Check every few days, it might take a few weeks or maybe even 2 months but we were told they would unroll. One of the articles below explains that the paper and emulsion expand and contract at different rates-thus the curling. Interesting article under 'museums & galleries commission' then 'photographic materials' http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ The NARA site says never to force a rolled photo to unroll, as once the emulsion cracks it will always be cracked. http://www.nara.gov/arch/faqs/aboutph.html The Minnesota Historical Society PDF on photographic materials http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/bytopic/genpub/ http://aic.stanford.edu/treasure/photos.html JB Wilson wrote: > Hi again, > They are curled in. Any suggestions for how to obtain/maintain a 30% humidity? > > I really appreciate the list and all the suggestions! Thank you all! > JB Wilson :-) >

Hi list, I would think the best way to uncurl old photo's would be to soak them in clean water until they go limp and then dry them again with care between acid free blotters. I think you may find if you try to uncurl them while dry the emulsion may well crack but a water bath shouldn't do them any harm as long as the water is clean and pH neutral ( this would have been their last chemical bath anyway when they were printed). I would however caution that you try one or two of the less important or damaged ones first and as has already been said don't rush it and let them dry slowly. A quick look in my "Life library of photography", "Caring for Photographs" book they say that uncurling an old a brittle print may be beyond the amateur and that an expert should be sort. However it does give a method that may be used and should be safe as long as the materials used are all acid and chemical free. 1. Place print face down on to a clean surface 2. Gradually flatten the print out, on the back, with a damp sponge. 3. Place the flattened print between clean blotters and press it with a heavy object larger than the print and allow to dry. 4. When dry inspect the print and if required repeat the process. Please note the sponge as well as any blotters will need to be chemical free and pH neutral so you may need to get them from a good photographic store. Good luck and if you have a go please get back to the list and let us know how you went. TTFN Colin ;o)

Hi again, They are curled in. Any suggestions for how to obtain/maintain a 30% humidity? I really appreciate the list and all the suggestions! Thank you all! JB Wilson :-) ------------------------- > Ha! One should always ask the circumstances before offering >advice!! > You may have too much humidity. Which way are they curled: >pic in or pic out? > Try to get them into an environment with 30% relative humidity >and see what they are like after a month. > >Date sent: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:37:51 -0900 >From: JB Wilson <designs@hevanet.com> >Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled >To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com >Send reply to: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > >> Hello list, >> Thank you for your answers. I find the humidity issue interesting for >> this reason. The photos have been in a trunk, outside on a porch, in >> Oregon, for probably 50 years. If any of you know about the Pacific >> Northwest, low humidity is *not* a problem!! Its actually incredible >> that these photos are in as good a condition as they are considering >> where I found them. >> >> I wonder if placing them on a rack over some warm steamy water would >> hurt? >> >> JB Wilson in mostly damp Oregon :-) >> > > >==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== >List problems? Contact the Vintage-Photos -List Mom >kathleenburnett@earthlink.net >Use Kathleen as the subject line for your post >To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" <designs@hevanet.com> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I don't think you ought to force them flat. The most common type of Victorian print was made from albumen (egg whites). This is a thin surface on the top of the print that contains the actual photo. Forcing it flat will certainly crack that surface. Albumen has a wildly different water content than paper and you have to accommodate that difference. If any of you remember the behaviour of a bimetallic strip (high school physics lab?) you will realize what's going on and why photos curl. If you are going to flatten them, do so slowly (over weeks or months) and control the humidity. Date forwarded: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:44:57 -0700 Date sent: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:44:36 -0800 From: Marti Roe <martiroe@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > My opinion is that I'd place them in archival sleeves and lay them > flat and place something heavy over them to see if they would "uncurl" > or perhaps there is acid free tissue paper that could use to wrap them > in while being pressed flat. Marti > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > List problems? Contact the Vintage-Photos -List Mom > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net Use Kathleen as the subject line for > your post To learn more about my world visit > http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ha! One should always ask the circumstances before offering advice!! You may have too much humidity. Which way are they curled: pic in or pic out? Try to get them into an environment with 30% relative humidity and see what they are like after a month. Date forwarded: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:36:40 -0700 Date sent: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:37:51 -0900 From: JB Wilson <designs@hevanet.com> Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > Hello list, > Thank you for your answers. I find the humidity issue interesting for > this reason. The photos have been in a trunk, outside on a porch, in > Oregon, for probably 50 years. If any of you know about the Pacific > Northwest, low humidity is *not* a problem!! Its actually incredible > that these photos are in as good a condition as they are considering > where I found them. > > I wonder if placing them on a rack over some warm steamy water would > hurt? > > JB Wilson in mostly damp Oregon :-) >

My opinion is that I'd place them in archival sleeves and lay them flat and place something heavy over them to see if they would "uncurl" or perhaps there is acid free tissue paper that could use to wrap them in while being pressed flat. Marti

I think it's still in print. It's a tad technical but very, very good. Reilly, James M - Care and Identification of 19th Century Photographic Prints - Eastman Kodak (1986) ISBN 0-87985-365-4 Date forwarded: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:54:40 -0700 From: "Larry McQueary" <mcqueary@attbi.com> Subject: RE: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled Date sent: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:53:58 -0700 To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > Thanks for the info, and that's a good point (not being in a hurry). > Many of these pictures are in quite good condition considering their > age (70-100 years old), so I suppose that avoiding rushing this is > probably prudent, and certainly not harmful. > > Is this Reilly book still in print? > > Thanks, > Larry > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fraser Dunford [mailto:fraser.dunford@sympatico.ca] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:16 AM > > To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled > > > > Reilly (Care and Identification of 19th Century Photographic > > Prints) says that this is caused by low humidity and is a serious > > problem. He doesn't say how to resolve it though. > > I suggest getting the photos into proper humidity (Reilly says > > 30 > > to 50%) and leaving them there for a while. The curl may go away > > and if not the photos will be better able to take straightening. Do > > not be in a hurry! > > > > Date forwarded: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:03:43 -0700 > > Date sent: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:04:51 -0900 > > From: JB Wilson <designs@hevanet.com> > > Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled > > To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > > Forwarded by: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > > Send reply to: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Hello list, > > > Does anyone know of a way to flatten or straighten out old photos > > > which have become curled up on the edges? These are on > > > photographic paper circa 1907, sepia colored small photos which > > > have not been stored properly and have become curled at the edges. > > > I would like to straighten them out and store in acid-free > > > sleeves. Any suggestions? Thanks bunches. JB Wilson, Beaverton, > > > OR :-) > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JB > > > Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA "Searching for the Living, Honoring the > > > Dead" <designs@hevanet.com> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, > > > Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, > > > Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry > & > > > Williams NY/PA > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > > > Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; > > > http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html To learn more about > > > my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > > messages, > flames, > > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for > > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net To learn more about my world visit > > http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > List problems? Contact the Vintage-Photos -List Mom > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net Use Kathleen as the subject line for > your post To learn more about my world visit > http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello list, Thank you for your answers. I find the humidity issue interesting for this reason. The photos have been in a trunk, outside on a porch, in Oregon, for probably 50 years. If any of you know about the Pacific Northwest, low humidity is *not* a problem!! Its actually incredible that these photos are in as good a condition as they are considering where I found them. I wonder if placing them on a rack over some warm steamy water would hurt? JB Wilson in mostly damp Oregon :-) ------------------ > Reilly (Care and Identification of 19th Century Photographic >Prints) says that this is caused by low humidity and is a serious >problem. He doesn't say how to resolve it though. > I suggest getting the photos into proper humidity (Reilly says 30 >to 50%) and leaving them there for a while. The curl may go away >and if not the photos will be better able to take straightening. Do >not be in a hurry! > >Date sent: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:04:51 -0900 >From: JB Wilson <designs@hevanet.com> >Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled >To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > >> Hello list, >> Does anyone know of a way to flatten or straighten out old photos >> which have become curled up on the edges? These are on photographic >> paper circa 1907, sepia colored small photos which have not been >> stored properly and have become curled at the edges. I would like to >> straighten them out and store in acid-free sleeves. Any suggestions? >> Thanks bunches. JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR :-) >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" <designs@hevanet.com> Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & Williams NY/PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for the info, and that's a good point (not being in a hurry). Many of these pictures are in quite good condition considering their age (70-100 years old), so I suppose that avoiding rushing this is probably prudent, and certainly not harmful. Is this Reilly book still in print? Thanks, Larry > -----Original Message----- > From: Fraser Dunford [mailto:fraser.dunford@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:16 AM > To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled > > Reilly (Care and Identification of 19th Century Photographic > Prints) says that this is caused by low humidity and is a serious > problem. He doesn't say how to resolve it though. > I suggest getting the photos into proper humidity (Reilly says 30 > to 50%) and leaving them there for a while. The curl may go away > and if not the photos will be better able to take straightening. Do > not be in a hurry! > > Date forwarded: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:03:43 -0700 > Date sent: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:04:51 -0900 > From: JB Wilson <designs@hevanet.com> > Subject: [VINTAGE-PHOTOS] Old Photos - Curled > To: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > Forwarded by: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > Send reply to: VINTAGE-PHOTOS-L@rootsweb.com > > > Hello list, > > Does anyone know of a way to flatten or straighten out old photos > > which have become curled up on the edges? These are on photographic > > paper circa 1907, sepia colored small photos which have not been > > stored properly and have become curled at the edges. I would like to > > straighten them out and store in acid-free sleeves. Any suggestions? > > Thanks bunches. JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR :-) > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > JB Wilson, Beaverton, OR, USA > > "Searching for the Living, Honoring the Dead" > > <designs@hevanet.com> > > Researching: Kangas, Eskola, Mattson/Matson, Makkonen, Aho, > > Runtujärvi, Barnes, Benedict, Crandle/Crandall, Miner, Ufford, Berry & > > Williams NY/PA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > > Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; > > http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html > > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== VINTAGE-PHOTOS Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for > removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237