Forgive me if this comes through twice in not the same form. I wrote a nice answer and then apparently lost it when I read Steve,s post and tried to amend the response I had addressed to Ronalds note. Sorry. Ronald...Diann is the better authority on Joseph. Ronald and Steve...see the book "Quakers in North Carolina". There are two volumes but I have only read 1. It is very large but the Quakers documented everything. Richard and Ann were overseers, each at a different time, and the group/church met in their home in the Tar River area of NC. You can follow the account of their move, of the establishment of a new Quaker group, divided from the old. (it's early and I can't remember my quaker terminology. Meticulous minutes were kept. You will read accounts of sons having to justify that their new wife was in effect a Quaker, of daughters being "dismissed from unity" for having married out of the group or adopting a new religion (in a couple of cases that being Methodism!!!!), of request to the group to aid the militia effort (no answer was recorded). It will be fascinating and well worth the effort and hopefully at least one volume will be in the genealogy section of your local library. I actually discovered the Quaker thing when I spend days going through every Virginia and North Carolina Revolutionary war record to no avail. The last book on the shelf was a huge blue one which I really did not want to tackle...besides it said it was about Quakers....well...I left the library some three hours later and was I glad I picked up that book. Looking at marriage locations in our family tree I had assumed the sons of Richard had all moved away. Fact was the stayed in the same area through another generation. The different counties indicated were where the wives were from. I even thought early on that one had moved back to Virginia when in truth he had gone back only to marry a Quaker girl there. All were still living in the Wayne County area. There is also a QUAKER-L mail ring at rootsweb which provides a lot of information. They have an archive also. I thing the Vick thing had pretty well been discussed out when I was in it and the archive was the best source. suzanne