Hello List, I don't want to sound like a troublemaker, but with all the information that I have up to now, I cannot show proof that Joseph even existed. I'm sure someone can enlighten me with some kind of proof that he did in fact exist and where he came from. I would like for somebody to at least tell me what documentation was used to prove Joseph came from Gloucestershire, or any other place for that matter. I have hired Tim Cooper a professional Genealogist in England to do some research for me, mainly looking for information about Joseph and his ancestors. Tim came up just about empty handed. Below is the last letter I received from Tim Cooper regarding his search. I do have information from another source that Joseph's father was Richard Vick b. 1604, Grandfather Thomas Vick B. 1581, and Great Grandfather Richard Vick b. 1556 all in Kings Stanley, Gloucestershire, England. The only thing is I received no proof along with the information and up to now have not found any proof. If anybody can offer me anything, which is, somewhat convincing it would be highly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Jim Vick Verona, Italy Dear Jim Have now had completed a further two hours work out of the Gloucestershire Record Office, sorry no breakthroughs. Searched the Name Indexes, no Joseph Vicks. Then looked at the book Bristol and America. Mary Vick, a servant went to Barbados 20.2.1684/5. She was from Berkely (half way between Gloucester and Bristol) and sailed on a ship called Mary. We looked through the book up to page 154 and noticed that many went to Virginia as servants for a fixed term of service, and then became freeholdres. There was a list of 10,000 in paragraphs, making it very difficult to look through at any speed. Again no Joseph Vicks. Other Documents available were Richard Vicke 1641. Woodchester. Ref. D2957 P/1371. 348(5) and (6) Richard Vicke 1552 Kings Stanley. Ref. G DR 7.P146 William Vick 1706 Yeoman. Kings Stanley. Will. Ref D873 T58 Then looked at the index of monument inscriptions, no sign of Joseph. Next consulted book of transportees, again no sign. Other Vicks, but no Joseph Men and Armour.1608 John Vicke of Kings Stanley. Has two Calyvers fur' Richard Vicke. Taylor aged about 20. Low in statue. Of Estington Thomas Vicke. Husbandman aged about 40. Low in Satue of Kings Stanley William Vicke about 20. Tall and a trained Soldier of Estington Aston Vicke. labourer. about 20. Low in Staue. Of Estington. Military Survey 1522 John Veke. =A33.6s 8d and sword, at Standish. Received the paper work from the Morman Church regarding the marriage of Joseph to Margery Russell, no additional genealogical information. This related to a baptism by proxy in 1925, therefore nobody to contact here. Sorry that we have not had any success. kind regards Tim Cooper