Jack, Since you brought it up, I have been reading "The Confederate Carpetbaggers" - Daniel E. Southerland. The quote that made me buy the book was " Any Southerner with ambition will leave the south" noting the many northern addresses, I assume the Vick's were/are ambitious. This book explains the various motivations and the different paths taken after the war. I am amazed at the amount of travel and suffering in the south and the general acceptance of the southerner in the north. Some say as many as 20,000 southerners were in New York in 1870, but the census only counted 9,000. Bob - K Still in the south -----Original Message----- From: Jack Landers [mailto:charliej@fwi.com] Sent: April 16, 2000 18:21 To: VICK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VICK-L] Anybody still out there?? Post Post script! Just finished reading the most objective look at the real causes of the Civil War/War Between the States that I've seen so far. Can't say I've read all of the estimated 50,000 to 70,000 books and articles on it, but I have read a few of them. The best I've read so far is: "When in the Course of Human Events, by Charles Adams, ROWMAN & LITTLEFIELD PUBLISHERS, INC. - London - Boulder - New York - Oxford, Copyright 2000 by Charles Adams -- ISBN 0-8476-9722-3 Jack Landers