Do you know of katherine Vick Smith from Tennessee? She was the mother of Mary Bufford Smith b. 1832 who married John Penny Scott.

We must be live again now be nice! (Grin) Cuz'en David PS Who will not open another can of worms any time soon.

Suzanne, I posted " What Do you think" I think we all should have more love for one another. I don't know anything about guns and really don't care about them one way or the other. I was just concerned for our children , our neighbors, our elders, our country as a whole. We need to have more love for one another. This is such a serious time in our lives, Too much killing, bombings,and other horrible things happening. I say lets pray for peace in our country. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I've read it over and over. Maggie

Thank you, Linda (or Maggie) (it is unclear which of you originally posted) for posting such a heart rending account. It defies editorializing. I surely will pass it on...not as a support of NRA...but as a beautiful statement of where our hearts need to be in a time when even schools are not safe for our children. suzanne

Many of us seem to have a great interest in the history of the country & the constitution. One of my favorite stories on this topic is, "Not Yours To Give" - Col. David Crockett - US Representative from Tennessee - http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm . It is a long story, but does reflect the difference in life at that time and our present day perceptions. This is on my Congressman's website, I actually heard this story for the first time while in Italy 1972. Bob - K -----Original Message----- From: Jack Landers [mailto:charliej@fwi.com] Sent: February 11, 2000 09:57 To: VICK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VICK-L] [Fwd: Hold On, Folks!] Thanks, Linda - Just felt it had to be said! Too many people tend to ignore what they don't like or agree with. We can't do that and really have a "Nation of Laws and Not a Nation of Men" as Jefferson said, if memory serves correctly. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda D. Fiddie <jordans@rose.net> To: <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [VICK-L] [Fwd: Hold On, Folks!] > Jack, > You beat me to it. So, many seem to over look (maybe intentional) > Amendment > X. > >

Thanks, Linda - Just felt it had to be said! Too many people tend to ignore what they don't like or agree with. We can't do that and really have a "Nation of Laws and Not a Nation of Men" as Jefferson said, if memory serves correctly. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda D. Fiddie <jordans@rose.net> To: <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [VICK-L] [Fwd: Hold On, Folks!] > Jack, > You beat me to it. So, many seem to over look (maybe intentional) > Amendment > X. > >

So, what do you think????????? from Maggie Nance On Thursday, May 27, 1999, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript: "Since the dawn of creation there has been both good and evil in the heart of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers. The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart. In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore, I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent. I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy - it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best. This was written way before I knew I would be speaking here today. Your laws ignore our deepest needs Your words are empty air You've stripped away our heritage You've outlawed simple prayer Now gunshots fill our classrooms And precious children die You seek for answers everywhere And ask the question "why" You regulate restrictive laws Through legislative creed And yet you fail to understand That God is what we need! Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, soul, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual influences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in doing so, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs - politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts. Political posturing and restrictive legislation are not the answers. The young people of our nation hold the key. There is a spiritual awakening taking place that will not be squelched! We do not need more religion! We do not need more gaudy television evangelists spewing out verbal religious garbage. We do not need more million dollar church buildings built while people with basic needs are being ignored. We do need a change of heart and a humble acknowledgment that this nation was founded on the principle of simple trust in God! As my son, Craig, lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes - he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School - prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA - I give to you a sincere challenge: Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone! My daughter's death will not be in vain. The young people of this country will not allow that to happen." ***************************** Please, if this position appears logical to you and reflects even a portion of your personal opinion, forward this to as many as you can!

Jack, You beat me to it. So, many seem to over look (maybe intentional) Amendment X.

Dear List, I want to thank all that dared to express themselves to the list. I for one learned lots of things at your expense. Much of it concerning our Civil War, Slavery, History, Flag, and about my Vick cousins on this list. Thanks to you all. As for the lurkers. I know if you speak you chance someone taking offense with your comment if you join the discussion. I hope we have learned to speak to each others with kind regard even when we disagree about this point or that so everyone can join the group discussion without fear. A very smart man once told me when I was unwilling to make change in my thinking I was finished growing. (As In Can't Get No Smarter) It takes change to grow. I wrote a book/story one time. Once it was published I read it again and thought, oh no I can do better than that what was I thinking? I seem to know more now or my view is from a different prospective. I hope we will always be willing to grow as people. Notice I didn't say give in or lay down but to honestly listen to new things that can help us grow. Truth is still very hard to come up with and my truth may not be your truth. Bible believing people use TRUTH. They will say this or that about someone that hurts them. Then they say well I can say that because that is the TRUTH. They need to reread that because what it is saying is the TRUTH is Gods word. Not what they think they know about somebody else. If we can agree on that we have come a long way in building a strong relationship tolerant of each other built on respect and LOVE for each other. Be slow to speak quick to listen and learn. Always in LOVE! Cuz'en David Daddy loves me best.

>From: "Jim Vick" <vick29@iol.it> >To: "Vick Mailing List" <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> >Old-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:29:19 +0100 > >Hi Ron and the list, > >I can see where Frederick did have a big problem if he was born February 29. He would have been 84 years old in real time when he celebrated his 21st birthday. > > > >I have met a good number of Leap Year Babies and have emailed and snail mailed a number of others, and find have found a varied train of thought as to celebrating the birthday on the off years, I don't consider myself as having a birthday on the off years so I don't celebrate. The day I turned 21 I was in the Army stationed at Fort Gordon, GA at the time one had to be 21 to enter a drinking establishment. A friend of mine was born February 28, 1932 it seemed that we were both 21 so we tried to enter a dance hall/bar and I was refused because they claimed I would not be 21 until the next day. The bar stayed open until 2am so after midnight we went back to the bar and the doorman ushered us in, after we sat at a table and was served the band leader announced that a leap year man was in the house and ask that I stand, after that we received free drinks. > > > >Almost anyone who learns that I was born on leap year asks that question "when do you celebrate on the off years." > > > >Other than that Ron, I don't see where the fact that I was born on leap year has stunned my growth any. Ha. > > > >Jim Vick > >Verona, Italy Still, I'd be willing to bet that you can cause a few mouths to drop when you announce your age as measured by birthdays! Good story, Jim. I'll be busy the next couple of days, getting the shuttle up. Ron

Several weeks ago I offered everyone on the list the opportunity to express their personal opinion to me, by private e-mail, concerning whether or not we should include "chat" in our postings or only allow factual genealogical date to be posted. We maintain a membership of 110 people on the average. I only received 16 replies to this survey. The overwhelming majority of those that replied share the same opinion - that "chat" SHOULD BE ALLOWED. Several of these people have strongly suggested that when posting "chat" or other non-factual items, we should identify these in the Subject line of our message. This would allow those persons not interested in the chat to simply delete the message unread. I think that we could all make better use of our postings. USE THE SUBJECT LINE on all posts. Keep it simple! Example: "John Vick, 1840's, GA" or "CHAT-Beautiful weather in Florida". We have an extremely small list membership compared to most surname lists. Let's keep up the camaraderie and keep everything on a friendly basis while attempting to do the sometimes "boring" work of extracting names, dates, and facts about our ancestors. I welcome all comments about my administration of this list. Please send them to me privately at jordans@rose.net and do not post them to the list. Than you, Linda Fiddie

Dear List Members, I have been reading all the recent postings concerning the War Between the States (or whatever other name you choose to use when referring to it). I personally have enjoyed most of the dialog and have gained a great deal of knowledge that I did not have previously. I was born in South Georgia and again live in the deep south now after having lived in several other places over the course of my 50+ years. I must admit that I have never lived in the north or even been anyplace in the north other that Washington, D.C. I have been very lenient in allowing all sorts of postings to be made to our Vick-L list. The primary purpose of the list is to discuss geneology and I believe this should include how history or historical events affected the lives of our ancestors. I cannot allow anyone to deliberately post things that will be hurtful or even embarrassing to the other members of the list. I have resubscribed Jeffery Crawford Vick to our list after sending him a note explaining my reasons for doing so. I hope that he will remain with us and continue to share his vast knowledge. At the present time I have placed the list on "Moderated Status" which simply means that all postings will come to me before they go to the list. If I find something that I feel may be offensive to others I will contact the sender with my feelings and allow them the opportunity to reword their message or to withdraw it if they choose to do so. I do not feel that it is my job to suppress any of the information that is sent to the list but I do feel that it is my responsibility to keep people's feelings from being hurt (although I do realize that some people "wear their feelings on their shirt sleeves" and will take offense to things that should not offend them). I foresee returning the list to "Normal Status" within a very short period of time. I feel that this discussion will have completely run its course in the very near future. We have had several people to unsubscribe because of this discussion. We need to retain all the members we can in order to have access to all the knowledge available about our ancestors. Thank you, Linda Fiddie

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1B0719C8547B5AFD0D4762DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------1B0719C8547B5AFD0D4762DB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail.rose.net (mbox jordans) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Thu Feb 10 15:29:46 2000) X-From_: listadmin-bounces@rootsweb.com Thu Feb 10 14:51:45 2000 Return-Path: <listadmin-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by mail.rose.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10599 for <jordans@rose.net>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:51:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07466 for VICK-admin@lists2.rootsweb.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:51:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:51:36 -0800 (PST) X-From_: charliej@fwi.com Thu Feb 10 11:51:34 2000 Received: from bl-3.rootsweb.com (bl-3.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.19]) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07217 for <VICK-L@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fwi.com (qmailr@mail.fwi.com [209.84.160.144]) by bl-3.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA14158 for <VICK-L@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20546 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2000 19:51:34 -0000 Received: from auburn-2-line-32.fwi.com (HELO presario5828) (209.84.168.160) by mail.fwi.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2000 19:51:34 -0000 Message-ID: <014e01bf7400$a9505760$30a854d1@presario5828> From: "Jack Landers" <charliej@fwi.com> To: <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Old-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:54:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list Subject: {not a subscriber} Hold On, Folks! X-Envelope-To: VICK-L X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Thought I was finished with this, but maybe not. Perhaps we should use this controversy in a positive manner! Jeff, you said: ".................... my copy of the constitution does not contain a clause permitting states to seceed from the union at will,................" Won't quibble about your spelling, but have you read Amendment X, which states: " The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Simple and clear, although most people can't (or won't) accept it as fact. Hope you are not one of those. Now, since NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say "The States have NO rights to withdraw or secede from the Union", the right is inherent! You say further: "......As a southern it hurts me to state that I believe those that participated in the Confederacy to be in open rebellion and therefore traitors. Just as much as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers were traitors to their country (which we forget was Great Britain).............." At least you group the 'southerns' of the Confederacy with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. You must be referring to Article III, Section 3, which states: " Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted." You're on better ground here, but how can States and/or individuals be treasonous unless they are still part of the Union? If they have seceded from the Union, no Treason could or would attain! By the way, if your apology included me, apology accepted. If not, meet me at high noon LAST Thursday on Mars. - Wet Noodles at 20 paces. Maybe Jim could supply the noodles. Welcome your comments on the above! Please lets just KEEP IT CIVIL! Jack Landers --------------1B0719C8547B5AFD0D4762DB--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------143017901A51A05797EE5DFE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------143017901A51A05797EE5DFE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail.rose.net (mbox jordans) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Thu Feb 10 15:29:41 2000) X-From_: listadmin-bounces@rootsweb.com Thu Feb 10 12:30:23 2000 Return-Path: <listadmin-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by mail.rose.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25535 for <jordans@rose.net>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:30:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28266 for VICK-admin@lists2.rootsweb.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:30:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:30:16 -0800 (PST) X-From_: jcvick@attglobal.net Thu Feb 10 09:30:15 2000 Received: from bl-3.rootsweb.com (bl-3.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.19]) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28248 for <VICK-L@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:30:15 -0800 (PST) From: jcvick@attglobal.net Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by bl-3.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28689 for <VICK-L@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from attglobal.net ([139.92.37.184]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <20000210173014252013pugte>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:30:16 +0000 Message-ID: <38A31086.6020B5E6@attglobal.net> Old-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:24:54 +0000 Reply-To: jcvick@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "VICK-L@rootsweb.com" <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list Subject: {not a subscriber} Leaving the list X-Envelope-To: VICK-L X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Well, okay, some still don't get it. My diatribe was not directed at any individual or organization. As a former member of several heritage organizations I would not impugn these organizations or the people who form the body of the membership. (You are right, I didn't check those web sites, because I wasn't talking about any web sites in particular, only the poorly written "opinion" web sites that present themselves in fact). That's why I hesitated to respond as I don't have time to fully express myself. I am saddened at the responses and would again beg forgiveness for any offense caused. I don't want to get into splitting hairs with any of my non-looney, intelligent cousins (by the way I freely admit that I am capable of acting looney at times). As my pride won't allow me to apologize more than twice for an offense I did not intend to commit I feel I must leave. I have enough stress working 60 hours per week and cannot lurk without commenting nor defend every misunderstanding my correspondence might cause. It's a shame really, I feel lots of folks, including myself were blamed more for the inability of this medium to allow full expression (for example, the racism discussion, et al). As I said in my note, the freedom of speech comes with responsibilities, and I take mine on fully. As for Ronald's insinuation of hypocrisy "pot, kettle, black", I take exception to that as it does not logically follow. I used the words "I believe" and in "my opinion" and not "this is a fact". If this were another century, I would have to demand satisfaction. So I bid farewell, which is a shame, seeing how I have enjoyed it so, but have so little time to waste. It just hurts to mean well (to try to keep the list inclusive of all points of view, even the unpopular and therefore scorned views of others) and be misunderstood. Your servant if you are ever in Warsaw and need help. Jeffrey Crawford Vick --------------143017901A51A05797EE5DFE--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D851991D92AD451C54DEBFFE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------D851991D92AD451C54DEBFFE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail.rose.net (mbox jordans) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Thu Feb 10 15:29:18 2000) X-From_: listadmin-bounces@rootsweb.com Thu Feb 10 07:31:55 2000 Return-Path: <listadmin-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by mail.rose.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA20944 for <jordans@rose.net>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:31:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08070 for VICK-admin@lists2.rootsweb.com; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:31:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:31:51 -0800 (PST) X-From_: vick29@iol.it Thu Feb 10 04:31:50 2000 Received: from bl-3.rootsweb.com (bl-3.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.19]) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA08049 for <VICK-L@lists2.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.libero.it ([193.70.192.53]) by bl-3.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00284 for <VICK-L@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer (151.32.70.179) by smtp3.libero.it; 10 Feb 2000 13:31:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000801bf73c2$74ecf840$b3462097@computer> From: "Jim Vick" <vick29@iol.it> To: "Vick Mailing List" <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Old-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:29:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list Subject: {not a subscriber} Leap year X-Envelope-To: VICK-L X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hi Ron and the list, I can see where Frederick did have a big problem if he was born February 29. He would have been 84 years old in real time when he celebrated his 21st birthday. I have met a good number of Leap Year Babies and have emailed and snail mailed a number of others, and find have found a varied train of thought as to celebrating the birthday on the off years, I don't consider myself as having a birthday on the off years so I don't celebrate. The day I turned 21 I was in the Army stationed at Fort Gordon, GA at the time one had to be 21 to enter a drinking establishment. A friend of mine was born February 28, 1932 it seemed that we were both 21 so we tried to enter a dance hall/bar and I was refused because they claimed I would not be 21 until the next day. The bar stayed open until 2am so after midnight we went back to the bar and the doorman ushered us in, after we sat at a table and was served the band leader announced that a leap year man was in the house and ask that I stand, after that we received free drinks. Almost anyone who learns that I was born on leap year asks that question "when do you celebrate on the off years." Other than that Ron, I don't see where the fact that I was born on leap year has stunned my growth any. Ha. Jim Vick Verona, Italy --------------D851991D92AD451C54DEBFFE--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------68172A95EC31B9BD8EED9D55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------68172A95EC31B9BD8EED9D55 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail.rose.net (mbox jordans) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Wed Feb 9 17:23:54 2000) X-From_: Vpeverhart@aol.com Wed Feb 9 16:35:58 2000 Return-Path: <Vpeverhart@aol.com> Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by mail.rose.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31546 for <jordans@rose.net>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:35:58 -0500 From: Vpeverhart@aol.com Received: from Vpeverhart@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id m.64.872b9b (1769); Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:33:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64.872b9b.25d3372e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:33:34 EST Subject: Re: Adela Vick's Letter To: jthill@inreach.com CC: jordans@rose.net, vick29@iol.it MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 In a message dated 07-Feb-2000 3:00:01 PM Central Standard Time, jthill@inreach.com writes: > Someone posted a message on a VICK group I'm on. > > > Don't forget: 7 Feb 1870 letter from Adela Vick* on February 7. This > > anniversary reminder is from ~ Us Mississippians ~. > > I'm trying to find out if this letter was from the Daughter of > Lemeul Washington Wood VICK > > If it is I would like to find out the name of the one she married. Jim -- Vick is one of my collateral lines, and I have NOT done any extensive research on the Vicks, but it is possible that the Adella/Adelia/Della Vick who wrote the letters from Lee Co., Texas back to her Aunt Amanda in Oktibbeha Co., Mississippi was married to a Mr. Marquis, but I can't swear to that. My involvement with Vicks is that they were part of a group of people (which included my g-g-grantmother Mollie West) that left Okt. Co. in 1869 to settle in central Texas -- including counties of Lee, Burleson and Caldwell. Is your line from Okt. Co.? Vickie in Dallas --------------68172A95EC31B9BD8EED9D55--

I want to second DiAnn's comment. We definitely (irregardless of which side of the issue taken) have intelligent cousins! Thank you folks for all the well presented information. suzanne

At 08:36 PM 2/9/00 +0100, you wrote: > >Hello cousins, > > > >I was born February 29, 1932 at 5:00AM leap year, this year is not only leap year but also year century. I would like to know if there are any more Vick cousins out there who was born on February 29. > > > >Jim Vick > >Verona, Italy > Jim, I've always thought that would be an interesting day to be born on. You can work it either way that is most desireable! If you're wanting to seem senior, you could say you're 60, or that you've just had your 15th birthday! And both would be correct! Frederick's problem, from The Pirates of Penzance, who was indentured until his twenty-first birthday! I'd love to hear how that's effected your life! Ron

Steve, I felt that I had to defend the SCV. Just last November. a group that my nephew is with held a memorial service for my ggrandfather Vick who died in the War. A nice stone was set up earlier in the year with the proper inscription describing his Co. and Regt. I thought it was quite a solemn and meaningful occasion. All those present were honoring their hero. It was my mother's grandfather. She passed away in 1993 at the age of 91 and I wish she could have been there to see it all. There has been an apology. Bettie Williams Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: steve vick <s396@vci.net> To: <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [VICK-L] Looney??? > Thanks for stepping up Bettie, I was beginning to question my membership in > the SCV, MOSB, SAR etc. Gosh my son is in the Children of the Confederacy, > last time I checked I thought I was pretty sane. I had dropped this issue, > but, Had to say one more thing. I spend alot of time at schools and > different places teaching about Confederate history, uniform and all. I dont > push my way into these places I am called and invited. The children love it, > yes black and white. No one should call these organizations names. We work > hard to preserve area history markers, statues, gravesites etc. And let me > tell you it is not easy in todays times. Anyway, I cant beleive the > statement about traitors either, WOW, the winners write the history. > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bettie Moore <BWMOORE@worldnet.att.net> > To: <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 8:31 AM > Subject: [VICK-L] Looney??? > > > > Jeff, > > Why the name calling? Are the DAR and the Daughters of the Confederacy > > looney also? > > I don't recall using any name calling when I wrote my opinion and > beliefs. > > Bettie > > >

I believe you should be able to speak your mind on any subject, which the South, Confederacy, Union, American Rev. all have to do with Vicks. Some people like this, some like that. It 's America. You cant keep everybody happy all the time. You seem to be a very Knowledgable(I think I spelled that right) person, but you dont seem to value your heritage very much or you would not say some of the things you say, dont get me wrong, I dont know you from adam so you may. Or maybe I just got lost in all those big words an misunderstood you. Steve Vick http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/2769 ----- Original Message ----- From: <jcvick@attglobal.net> To: <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:37 PM Subject: [VICK-L] Alright, enough's enough! > Hi all- > > I have been attempting to formulate my thoughts on the topic for a day now > and have come to the conclusion that I will not be drawn out on such a > broad, emotional topic as this one. As your "personal" U.S. diplomatic > representative to the Republic of Poland I have talked to Poles about our > country and indeed the Civil War for a while now. As an Army Officer and > former Assistant Professor of Military Science I have also wrestled with > this topic. It is an extremely broad and complicated topic, made the > worse for the irrational and emotional (and I'm sorry but simply > innacurate views which are easy to look up if you only cared to do so) > views. > > As we say in Texas (and strangely enough, the Poles have an equivalent > view) don't talk politics, religion, or money at the dinner table. Well, > as I see this forum as a family dinner table. > > If you want to have an intelligent, productive exchange which does not > offend and alienate I suggest you narrow the scope of the discussion (I > don't really see the relevance of talking about right-wing politics, > racism, or some of the other junk as belonging in this discussion). Of > course, you arefree to say what you will, wouldn't have it any other way, > just be considerate to your cousins. Hello, in case you haven't figured > it out, some of our Vick cousins are African-Americans. Whether you > believe the state flag issue should or shouldn't offend is irrelevant. > This gentleman is telling you it is offensive to him. As gentlemen > (Southern Gentlemen), I believe you should attempt to limit conversation > on the issue to the more non-emotional side of the topic or drop it all > together on the list. Imagine a detailed discussion of pornography that > some might find offensive and you get the picture. Freedom of speech > comes with responsibility, friends. Sorry about the lecture, just wanted > to speak my mind. > What follows is the world's longest sentence, I'm sure. > > Frankly, if you believe the so-called American Civil War (I'm sorry but > that is the name used at West Point, Sandhurst (British Military Academy > where I was exchange officer briefly), the Army War College, as well as > thousands of other authors and scholars and millions of Americans) was > fought only over the slavery issue or exclusively over the so-called > states rights issue (I'm sorry, but my copy of the consitution does not > contain a clause permitting states to seceed from the union at will, the > problem was a difference of opinion over states rights and national > authority as outlined in the consitution, which, by the way, has to be > read whole and in context of the times; states rights were guaranteed in > the Confederate Constitution) is missing out on the incredible and > delicious complexity of the times, Political, Economic, Religious, > Sociological, and Technological, the elements that must be analyzed in any > conflict. > > The country envisioned by our forefathers and modified for the times has > given us the gifts we have today. One nation, forged in blood and fire > and maintained through hard work, vision, and a fair bit of luck and > geography was and is the answer. I do not believe the agrarian, > fragmented Confederacy (yep, their constitution guaranteed each state's > autonomy) was economically viable, nor had the capital to expand to the > West following the disastrous war (even if they had won). As a southern > it hurts me to state that I believe those that participated in the > Confederacy to be in open rebellion and therefore traitors. Just as much > as George Washington, Thomas Jeffererson and our founding fathers were > traitors to their country (which we forget was Great Britain). A > rebellion in our country is an attempt to circumvent the constitutional > processes of our Republic (we tend to forget we are not a democracy > (Article 4, section 4, Consitutution of the United States)). We can > change government, slowly sometimes, but through the process. Calhoun, > Clay, Davis, and many others seemed to have forgot this in their self > interested race to protect their property and political positions (how can > property have a vote, ya'll?) > > That's my two cents worth. Let's try to keep it civil folks. Let's say > "I believe" when we mean it and not state our beliefs as facts to offend > and criticize our cousins (unless you really want to split hairs with me; > source your facts with credible sources and not loony Sons of the > Confederacy or Sons of the Republic websites) . > > your cuz, > > Jeff Vick > > > Bettie Moore wrote: > > > Jack, > > AMEN and AMEN!! Lots of todays' people expect to get everything for > > nothing!! > > Bettie >