This has some Vick family in it. ---------- > From: ReminderService@MyFamily.com > To: Doris Moore <djmoore@nb.net> > Subject: Don't forget 1892 letter from Cornelia on February 25 > Date: Friday, February 18, 2000 7:40 AM > > Don't forget: 1892 letter from Cornelia on February 25. This anniversary > reminder is from ~ Us Mississippians ~. > > > Tanglewood, Texas > > Miss Amanda Boyd > > Dear Aunt > > Once more I will write you a few lines that you may hear from us. This > leaves my family well except Lemmie*. Some of the school boys hurt him in > their play but I think he will be able to go to school in a few days. He > is learning very fast and I hope to live to see him well educated. I > don't think he could make a living by hard work. Lena was 11 years old > the 18th of this month. She is a great help to me. My baby Edwin was 2 > years old the 5th of January. He is busy running my little chickens and > all other mischief he can find. I have fourteen young chickens and six > hens setting. My garden all planted. Seed that are up have bright > prospects for a crop. Had a good rain last week. The Methodist held > quarterly meeting two weeks ago one mile from here, protracted it several > days. I only attended it once. I don't think they had much success. I > spent Saturday nite with Vicy. They are all well. Three of her children > going to school. Julia is getting along very well. Hagler is nearly > grown. Nora, her oldest daughter will soon be 15 years old. Her pa, Mr. > Sykes still lives with her. Mrs. Della Gary lost little infant 24 hours > old 5 weeks ago. She is Mr. William Sykes youngest daughter. Bell's > family are well and doing well. I wish you could see her and her little > ones. She has only 5 named. Dave, Homer, Cora, Willis, the baby 1 year > old not named. Names have about run out in Texas. Will you send us some > if any to spare. Mr. Munroe has moved about 20 miles from here to Milam > County. Mr. Monroe had a very bad cough last spring he was to see us. He > was afraid it was consumption but I hope not. Have not heard from him in > some time. Haven't seen Bettie for some time. She has more children than > anybody I think. There have been several deaths this winter, old age and > some pneumonia, some measles in the country, also the chicken pox and > itch. Where is Mrs. Anna Bell living? When you see her tell her I've > never forgotten her. Also to write to me and please send me her picture. > Tell Aunt Nannie to write to me. Well, I've wrote all I can think of. Alf > joins me in love to you, Aunt Nannie's family and all inquiring friends if > there be any. Write as soon as you get this. As ever your true friend and > niece. > > Cornelia > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > *HOUSTON DAILY POST, 21 August 1895. Lexington, Texas, August 20.--Lemmie > Sykes [sic], who has been suffering for the past few weeks with blood > poisoning on account of an operation performed on his foot, died this > morning at 9 o'clock. [Note -- Lemmie Sikes (31 Oct 1878-20 Aug 1895) was > the son of William Alph Sikes and Cornelia (Vick) Sikes, and the grandson > of Robert Lee Sikes, Sr. and Sarah (West) Sikes. Lemmie is buried in the > Hugh Wilson Cemetery in Tanglewood, Lee County, Texas. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > **$15 GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR PURCHASES OF $30 OR MORE IN THE GIFT CENTER** > >>> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=couponanniv > > If you have forgotten your username or password, please visit the > following address: > >>> http://www.myfamily.com/security/forgotpwd.asp > > If you do not want to receive these anniversary reminders in the future, > please edit your email preferences by clicking on this link: > >>> http://www.myfamily.com/sub/prefs.asp?ID=5F611FFC9727403 >

Hi, Jim -- Much of what you are seeking is in the forthcoming book, Joseph Vick of Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, Virginia and His Descendants. But to briefly help you with your research: 1. At the time Joseph Vick emigrated to Virginia, Vicks were only found in Gloucestershire. Gloucestershire, like most English counties, has lost most of its records -- religious and secular -- over the centuries so there are very few records proving the lineages of individuals or families (contrary to what many people believe). 2. Joseph Vick's existence in Virginia is proven by three deeds and two land grants. Two deeds involve Joseph Vick and Hardin Council -----Original Message----- From: Jim Vick <vick29@iol.it> To: VICK-L@rootsweb.com <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, February 18, 2000 1:37 PM Subject: [VICK-L] England search > >Hello List, > > > >I don't want to sound like a troublemaker, but with all the information that I have up to now, I cannot show proof that Joseph even existed. I'm sure someone can enlighten me with some kind of proof that he did in fact exist and where he came from. I would like for somebody to at least tell me what documentation was used to prove Joseph came from Gloucestershire, or any other place for that matter. > >I have hired Tim Cooper a professional Genealogist in England to do some research for me, mainly looking for information about Joseph and his ancestors. Tim came up just about empty handed. Below is the last letter I received from Tim Cooper regarding his search. > >I do have information from another source that Joseph's father was Richard Vick b. 1604, Grandfather Thomas Vick B. 1581, and Great Grandfather Richard Vick b. 1556 all in Kings Stanley, Gloucestershire, England. The only thing is I received no proof along with the information and up to now have not found any proof. > >If anybody can offer me anything, which is, somewhat convincing it would be highly appreciated. > >Thank you in advance. > > > >Jim Vick > >Verona, Italy > > > >Dear Jim > > > >Have now had completed a further two hours work out of the Gloucestershire Record Office, sorry no breakthroughs. Searched the Name Indexes, no Joseph Vicks. > >Then looked at the book Bristol and America. Mary Vick, a servant went to Barbados 20.2.1684/5. She was from Berkely (half way between Gloucester and Bristol) and sailed on a ship called Mary. We looked through the book up to page 154 and noticed that many went to Virginia as servants for a fixed term of service, and then became freeholdres. There was a list of 10,000 in paragraphs, making it very difficult to look through at any speed. Again no Joseph Vicks. > >Other Documents available were > >Richard Vicke 1641. Woodchester. Ref. D2957 P/1371. 348(5) and (6) > >Richard Vicke 1552 Kings Stanley. Ref. G DR 7.P146 > >William Vick 1706 Yeoman. Kings Stanley. Will. Ref D873 T58 > >Then looked at the index of monument inscriptions, no sign of Joseph. > >Next consulted book of transportees, again no sign. > >Other Vicks, but no Joseph > >Men and Armour.1608 > >John Vicke of Kings Stanley. Has two Calyvers fur' Richard Vicke. Taylor aged about 20. Low in statue. Of Estington Thomas Vicke. Husbandman aged about 40. Low in Satue of Kings Stanley William Vicke about 20. Tall and a trained Soldier of Estington Aston Vicke. labourer. about 20. Low in Staue. Of Estington. > >Military Survey 1522 > >John Veke. =A33.6s 8d and sword, at Standish. > >Received the paper work from the Morman Church regarding the marriage of Joseph to Margery Russell, no additional genealogical information. This related to a baptism by proxy in 1925, therefore nobody to contact here. > >Sorry that we have not had any success. > >kind regards Tim Cooper > > > > > >

Hi, Jim -- Detailed answers to what you are seeking can be found in the forthcoming book, Joseph Vick of Lower Parish, Isle of Wight County, Virginia, and His Descendants, Vol. I. To help you continue your research, here are brief answers to your questions. 1. At the time Joseph emigrated, Vicks were only found in Gloucestershire. Contrary to what many believe, most English counties have lost the majority of their records -- both civil and religious. Time, Henry VIII, the English Civil War and World War II have taken their toll of English records. A case in point, experts estimate that only about 10% of the records pertaining to early colonial emigration to the colonies still exist. In truth, very few families or individuals can document their family histories back to even the 14th century because surnames were non-existent and very few records exist. So don't feel too frustrated. 2. Proof of Joseph's existence in Virginia can be found in three deed records and two land grants. Two deeds are between Joseph and Hodges Council; one is between Joseph and William Mayo. The two grants are to Joseph one is in right of settlement and the other is for transporting indentured workers. Transcripts and abstracts of these documents are in "the" book. I like to set up chronologies of individuals I am researching and I would be delighted to send you the chonology I have done on Joseph, if you would like a copy. Di Ann -----Original Message----- From: Jim Vick <vick29@iol.it> To: VICK-L@rootsweb.com <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, February 18, 2000 1:37 PM Subject: [VICK-L] England search > >Hello List, > > > >I don't want to sound like a troublemaker, but with all the information that I have up to now, I cannot show proof that Joseph even existed. I'm sure someone can enlighten me with some kind of proof that he did in fact exist and where he came from. I would like for somebody to at least tell me what documentation was used to prove Joseph came from Gloucestershire, or any other place for that matter. > >I have hired Tim Cooper a professional Genealogist in England to do some research for me, mainly looking for information about Joseph and his ancestors. Tim came up just about empty handed. Below is the last letter I received from Tim Cooper regarding his search. > >I do have information from another source that Joseph's father was Richard Vick b. 1604, Grandfather Thomas Vick B. 1581, and Great Grandfather Richard Vick b. 1556 all in Kings Stanley, Gloucestershire, England. The only thing is I received no proof along with the information and up to now have not found any proof. > >If anybody can offer me anything, which is, somewhat convincing it would be highly appreciated. > >Thank you in advance. > > > >Jim Vick > >Verona, Italy > > > >Dear Jim > > > >Have now had completed a further two hours work out of the Gloucestershire Record Office, sorry no breakthroughs. Searched the Name Indexes, no Joseph Vicks. > >Then looked at the book Bristol and America. Mary Vick, a servant went to Barbados 20.2.1684/5. She was from Berkely (half way between Gloucester and Bristol) and sailed on a ship called Mary. We looked through the book up to page 154 and noticed that many went to Virginia as servants for a fixed term of service, and then became freeholdres. There was a list of 10,000 in paragraphs, making it very difficult to look through at any speed. Again no Joseph Vicks. > >Other Documents available were > >Richard Vicke 1641. Woodchester. Ref. D2957 P/1371. 348(5) and (6) > >Richard Vicke 1552 Kings Stanley. Ref. G DR 7.P146 > >William Vick 1706 Yeoman. Kings Stanley. Will. Ref D873 T58 > >Then looked at the index of monument inscriptions, no sign of Joseph. > >Next consulted book of transportees, again no sign. > >Other Vicks, but no Joseph > >Men and Armour.1608 > >John Vicke of Kings Stanley. Has two Calyvers fur' Richard Vicke. Taylor aged about 20. Low in statue. Of Estington Thomas Vicke. Husbandman aged about 40. Low in Satue of Kings Stanley William Vicke about 20. Tall and a trained Soldier of Estington Aston Vicke. labourer. about 20. Low in Staue. Of Estington. > >Military Survey 1522 > >John Veke. =A33.6s 8d and sword, at Standish. > >Received the paper work from the Morman Church regarding the marriage of Joseph to Margery Russell, no additional genealogical information. This related to a baptism by proxy in 1925, therefore nobody to contact here. > >Sorry that we have not had any success. > >kind regards Tim Cooper > > > > > >

Hello List, I don't want to sound like a troublemaker, but with all the information that I have up to now, I cannot show proof that Joseph even existed. I'm sure someone can enlighten me with some kind of proof that he did in fact exist and where he came from. I would like for somebody to at least tell me what documentation was used to prove Joseph came from Gloucestershire, or any other place for that matter. I have hired Tim Cooper a professional Genealogist in England to do some research for me, mainly looking for information about Joseph and his ancestors. Tim came up just about empty handed. Below is the last letter I received from Tim Cooper regarding his search. I do have information from another source that Joseph's father was Richard Vick b. 1604, Grandfather Thomas Vick B. 1581, and Great Grandfather Richard Vick b. 1556 all in Kings Stanley, Gloucestershire, England. The only thing is I received no proof along with the information and up to now have not found any proof. If anybody can offer me anything, which is, somewhat convincing it would be highly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Jim Vick Verona, Italy Dear Jim Have now had completed a further two hours work out of the Gloucestershire Record Office, sorry no breakthroughs. Searched the Name Indexes, no Joseph Vicks. Then looked at the book Bristol and America. Mary Vick, a servant went to Barbados 20.2.1684/5. She was from Berkely (half way between Gloucester and Bristol) and sailed on a ship called Mary. We looked through the book up to page 154 and noticed that many went to Virginia as servants for a fixed term of service, and then became freeholdres. There was a list of 10,000 in paragraphs, making it very difficult to look through at any speed. Again no Joseph Vicks. Other Documents available were Richard Vicke 1641. Woodchester. Ref. D2957 P/1371. 348(5) and (6) Richard Vicke 1552 Kings Stanley. Ref. G DR 7.P146 William Vick 1706 Yeoman. Kings Stanley. Will. Ref D873 T58 Then looked at the index of monument inscriptions, no sign of Joseph. Next consulted book of transportees, again no sign. Other Vicks, but no Joseph Men and Armour.1608 John Vicke of Kings Stanley. Has two Calyvers fur' Richard Vicke. Taylor aged about 20. Low in statue. Of Estington Thomas Vicke. Husbandman aged about 40. Low in Satue of Kings Stanley William Vicke about 20. Tall and a trained Soldier of Estington Aston Vicke. labourer. about 20. Low in Staue. Of Estington. Military Survey 1522 John Veke. =A33.6s 8d and sword, at Standish. Received the paper work from the Morman Church regarding the marriage of Joseph to Margery Russell, no additional genealogical information. This related to a baptism by proxy in 1925, therefore nobody to contact here. Sorry that we have not had any success. kind regards Tim Cooper

Sorry. I re-read the message and see the book has not yet been puglished. Would like to have one when it is published Faye

Hi again: Can someone tell me if this is the Joseph who was in Appling Co. Georgia 1840 that you all speak of Faye G-granddaughter of Sarah Vick Swain

Hi DiAnn Can I have a copy also. When is Vol. one coming out or has it already came out. I would like to purchase one. Faye

Thought the list might enjoy the following. Enjoy. Mary C. ANNA QUINDLEN'S COMMENCEMENT ADDRESS AT VILLANOVA UNIVERSITY > > I have no specialized field of interest or expertise, which puts me at a > disadvantage, talking to you today. I'm a novelist. My work is human > nature. Real life is all I know. > > Don't ever confuse the two, your life and your work. The second is only > part of the first. Don't ever forget what a friend once wrote Senator > Paul > Tsongas when the senator decided not to run for re-election because he'd > been diagnosed with cancer: "No man ever said on his deathbed I > wish I had spent more time in the office." > > Don't ever forget the words my father sent me on a postcard last year: "If > you win the rat race, you're still a rat." Or what John Lennon wrote > before > he was gunned down in the driveway of the Dakota: "Life is what happens > while you are busy making other plans." > > You walk out of here this afternoon with only one thing that no one else > has. There will be hundreds of people out there with your same degree; > there will be thousands of people doing what you want to do for a living. > But you will be the only person alive who has sole custody of > your life. Your particular life. Your entire life. Not just your life > at > a desk, or your life on a bus, or in a car, or at the computer. Not just > the life of your mind, but the life of your heart. Not just your bank > account, but your soul. > > People don't talk about the soul very much anymore. It's so much easier > to > write a resume than to craft a spirit. But a resume is a cold comfort on > a > winter night, or when you're sad, or broke, or lonely, or when you've > gotten > back the test results and they're not so good. > > Here is my resume. I am a good mother to three children. I have tried > never to let my profession stand in the way of being a good parent. I no > longer consider myself the center of the universe. I show up. I listen. > I > try to laugh. > > I am a good friend to my husband. I have tried to make marriage vows mean > what they say. I show up. I listen. I try to laugh. I am a good friend > to my friends, and they to me. Without them, there would be nothing to > say > to you today, because I would be a cardboard cut-out. But I call them on > the phone, and I meet them for lunch. I show up. I > listen. I try to laugh. > > I would be rotten, or at best mediocre at my job, if those other things > were > not true. You cannot be really first rate at your work if your work is > all > you are. So here's what I wanted to tell you today: get a life. A real > life, not a manic pursuit of the next promotion, the bigger pay check, the > larger house. Do you think you'd care so very > much about those things if you blew an aneurysm one afternoon, or found a > lump in your breast? Get a life in which you notice the smell of salt > water > pushing itself on a breeze over Seaside Heights, a life in which you stop > and watch how a red tailed hawk circles over the water gap or > the way a baby scowls with concentration when she tries to pick up a > Cheerio > with her thumb and first finger. > > Get a life in which you are not alone. Find people you love, and who love > you. And remember that love is not leisure, it is work. Each time you > look > at your diploma, remember that you are still a student, still learning how > to best treasure your connection to others. Pick up the > phone. Send an e-mail. Write a letter. Kiss your Mom. Hug your Dad. > > Get a life in which you are generous. Look around at the azaleas in the > suburban neighborhood where you grew up; look at a full moon hanging > silver > in a black, black sky on a cold night. And realize that life is the best > thing ever, and that you have no business taking it for > granted. Care so deeply about its goodness that you want to spread it > around. Take money you would have spent on beers and give it to charity. > Work in a soup kitchen. Be a big brother or sister. All of you want to > do > well. But if you do not do good, too, then doing well will never be > enough. > It is so easy to waste our lives: our days, our > hours, our minutes. It is so easy to take for granted the color of the > azaleas, the sheen of the limestone on Fifth Avenue, the color of our kids > eyes, the way the melody in a symphony rises and falls and disappears and > rises again. It is so easy to exist instead of live. > > I learned to live many years ago. Something really, really bad happened > to > me, something that changed my life in ways that, if I had my druthers, it > would never have been changed at all. And what I learned from it is what, > today, seems to be the hardest lesson of all. I learned to love the > journey, not the destination. I learned that it is > not a dress rehearsal, and that today is the only guarantee you get. I > learned to look at all the good in the world and to try to give some of it > back because I believed in it completely and utterly. And I tried to do > that, in part, by telling others what I had learned. By telling > them this: Consider the lilies of the field. Look at the fuzz on a > baby's > ear. Read in the backyard with the sun on your face. Learn to be happy. > And think of life as a terminal illness because if you do you will live > it > with joy and passion as it ought to be lived. Well, you can learn all > those > things, out there, if you get a real life, a full life, a professional > life, yes, but another life, too, a life of love and laughs and a > connection to other human beings. > > Just keep your eyes and ears open. Here you could learn in the classroom. > There the classroom is everywhere. The exam comes at the very end. No > man > ever said on his deathbed I wish I had spent more time at the office. I > found one of my best teachers on the boardwalk at > Coney Island maybe 15 years ago. It was December, and I was doing a > story > about how the homeless survive in the winter months. He and I sat on the > edge of the wooden supports, dangling our feet over the side, and he told > me > about his schedule, panhandling the boulevard when the > summer crowds were gone, sleeping in a church when the temperature went > below freezing, hiding from the police amidst the Tilt a Whirl and the > Cyclone and some of the other seasonal rides. > > But he told me that most of the time he stayed on the boardwalk, facing > the > water, just the way we were sitting now even when it got cold and he had > to > wear his newspapers after he read them. And I asked him why. Why didn't > he > go to one of the shelters? Why didn't he check himself > into the hospital for detox? And he just stared out at the ocean and > said, > "Look at the view, young lady. Look at the view." And every day, in > some > little way, I try to do what he said. I try to look at the view. And > that's > the last thing I have to tell you today, words of > wisdom from a man with not a dime in his pocket, no place to go, nowhere > to > be. Look at the view. You'll never be disappointed. > >

Looking for another name--found these Vicks; http://www.aros.net/~cbutler/census/jack50x.htm Vick, Elizabeth 55 Vick, Elizabeth 30 Vick, Elizabeth 2 Vick, Harriet 6 Vick, John 23 Vick, Kesiah 28 Vick, Martin 8/12 Vick, Mary 26 Vick, Nathan 60 Vick, Nathan 7 Vick, Roborty 29 Vick, Thisby 18

Now that things have calmed down a bit, I will "come out of the closet" and put in my "two cents worth." My g-g-grandfather was Joshua Thomas Vick, son of William "Captain Billy" Vick. In a letter written Feb. 7, 1870 from Lee Co., Tx to relatives remaining in Miss., Adella Vick wrote, " we are all living in the same house except Uncle Thomas and he lives in site (sight). Uncle Thomas's Negroes came all the way." Uncle Thomas was my g-g-grandfather. I would like to believe he was a compassionate man who brought his "Negoes" with him because he thought of them as "family". He was searching for a better way of life and I hope and believe he was "helping" them search for a better way of life also. There are several "Black" Vicks listed in Lee Co. census for 1880 and 1900 and I am assuming they could be and probably are (at least some of them) descendants of the ones who came with "Uncle Thomas", although I have no documentation to attest to the fact. I always try to look at the brighter side of things, til proven different. I really hope they came as "friends" more so than in the capacity of "slaves". Well, that's my two cents worth. Norene (Vick) Weigl Portales, NM

Hello all: After listening to the fighting going on here, I can see how a conflict can start from a peaceful discussion to a shouting match to name calling to.........violence. All I have to say it that for whatever reason we should almost be grateful for the Civil War Conflict. Because most of us would probably not be here to discuss it or anything at all. Who would of our Greats-Grandmothers married if there hadn't of been the war???? Jay

Good afternoon, everyone -- Since John Beatty and I have probably spent more hours wading in the early Vick records than just about anyone, I would like to expand a little on Suzanne's comments and on the will of John Vick. Joseph Vick was probably a dissenting Anglican when he emigrated to Virginia. Gloucestershire was a center in the movement to purify the Anglican church of both Roman Catholic practices and Anglican clerical laxity. Southside Virginia was settled by these religious dissidents. Some were Brownists, some were dissatisfied Anglicans, some were Quakers. In subsequent generations, some Vicks did become Quakers, some became Baptists, some became Methodists, and some remained Anglican/Episcopalean. What is consistent is deep-seated religious faith from generation to generation. By the same token, a fair number of Vicks were slave owners; most were not. Enough were slave owners to produce 1) goodly number of free men of color surnamed Vick in the decades before the Civil War and 2) a goodly number of freed blacks surnamed Vick after the War. So black and white Vicks share a common heritage. That heritage is southern -- something I think we are all proud of. Perhaps our common heritage can help us put our differences behind us and building on our religious convictions (and I do mean the teachings of Jesus) and mutual respect create a "more perfect union" of North and South and of blacks and whites. We are a wonderful group of cousins. May I suggest that we now practice that fine Quaker custom of silence? When I first came to Philadelphia, I happened to become fast friends with a Quaker who lived in my building. She took me to Meeting one "first day" and I kept waiting for something to happen. I waited and waited. Nothing happened and finally a man stood up and said the Meeting was adjourned. Nancy explained to me that something had happened: all in the Meeting were at peace. I subsequently attended Meeting with her several times (she is now dead) and I came to love the peace that does seem to flow over one. So, peace to each one of my Vick cousins. Di Ann

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Forgive me if this comes through twice in not the same form. I wrote a nice answer and then apparently lost it when I read Steve,s post and tried to amend the response I had addressed to Ronalds note. Sorry. Ronald...Diann is the better authority on Joseph. Ronald and Steve...see the book "Quakers in North Carolina". There are two volumes but I have only read 1. It is very large but the Quakers documented everything. Richard and Ann were overseers, each at a different time, and the group/church met in their home in the Tar River area of NC. You can follow the account of their move, of the establishment of a new Quaker group, divided from the old. (it's early and I can't remember my quaker terminology. Meticulous minutes were kept. You will read accounts of sons having to justify that their new wife was in effect a Quaker, of daughters being "dismissed from unity" for having married out of the group or adopting a new religion (in a couple of cases that being Methodism!!!!), of request to the group to aid the militia effort (no answer was recorded). It will be fascinating and well worth the effort and hopefully at least one volume will be in the genealogy section of your local library. I actually discovered the Quaker thing when I spend days going through every Virginia and North Carolina Revolutionary war record to no avail. The last book on the shelf was a huge blue one which I really did not want to tackle...besides it said it was about Quakers....well...I left the library some three hours later and was I glad I picked up that book. Looking at marriage locations in our family tree I had assumed the sons of Richard had all moved away. Fact was the stayed in the same area through another generation. The different counties indicated were where the wives were from. I even thought early on that one had moved back to Virginia when in truth he had gone back only to marry a Quaker girl there. All were still living in the Wayne County area. There is also a QUAKER-L mail ring at rootsweb which provides a lot of information. They have an archive also. I thing the Vick thing had pretty well been discussed out when I was in it and the archive was the best source. suzanne

I thought perhaps the will of John Vick Jr. (grandson of Joseph Vick) might be of interest to this group. WILL OF JOHN VICK, JR. (~1700-1789) IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN, I, John Vick of Brunswick County and Meherrin Parrish being sick and weak of body but of sound mind and disposing memory, bless God, for his Mercy do make and ordain this to be my Last Will and Testament, IMPRIMIS, I give and bequeath unto my Son Howell Vick One hundred and twenty five acres of Land lying on Beaver Pond Creek, joining Captain Littleberry Robinson and George Collier's lines and to come up to what is called the Rocks, for a dividing line, between the Land on which I reside and that I cut off for him, ALSO one Negro man James, also my cross-cut saw, to him and his heirs ferever. ITEM I give and bequeath unto my son John Vick the remainder of my whole lands, only he shall find a Home for as many of my Daughters as choose, as long as they live single and ground to tend, also my still, and one large Iron pot, to him and his heirs forever. I also lend to him my Negro boy named Sharper during his life, and after his Decease my Will is that he be sold, and equally divided amongst all the Children of my said Son, lawfully begotten unto them and each of their heirs forever. ITEM I give and bequeath unto my daughter Henrietta Vick, one Negro woman named Jenny, also one feather bed and furniture, to her and her heirs forever. ITEM I give and bequeath unto my daughter Sarah Vick, one Negro girl named Dorcas, to her and her heirs forever. ITEM I give and bequeath unto my daughter Ann Clark thirty five pounds current money to her and her heirs forever. ITEM I give and bequeath unto my daughter Edith Vick one Negro girl named Hannah also one feather bed and furniture, to her and her heirs forever (the bed called hers). ITEM I give and bequeath unto my daughter Katy Woodruff one Negro girl named Dolley to her and her heirs forever. ITEM. I give and bequeath to my daughter Mary Vick one Negro boy named Tim. (Also my bed I generally lie on), and furniture, to her and her heirs foreyer. ITEM It is my will and desire all my Estate not heretofore given away be sold and the money arising from such sale be equally divided between my six daughters, Henrietta, Sarah, Edith, Katy, Ann, and Mary to them and to each of their heirs forever. But if either of my aforenamed daughters should die leaving no heir, of her own body lawfully begotten then my Will is the part of the deceased be equally divided amongst my surviving daughters to them and to each of their heirs forever. ITEM My will and desire is that my Estate be not appraised. ITEM I do nominate and appoint my sons, Howell and John Vick, whole and sole Executors of this my Last Will and Testament, revoking all others by me heretofore made, being null and void. IN WITNESS whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal, this nineteenth day of February One Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty Seven. John Vick (LS) Signed, Sealed and Published and Delivered in the presence of Nathan Johnson John vick Hoses Johnson, Junior At a Court held for Greensville County the 24th day of December, 1789. This Will as proved by the oaths of Nathan Johnson and Hoses Johnson, Junior. Witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded and on the motion of John Vick one of the executors therein named who made oath thereto, and together with Person Williamson and Nathaniel Woodruff his Securities entered into and acknowledged their Bond in the Penalty of fifteen hundred pounds. Conditioned as the Law directs. Certificate is granted him for obtaining a probate thereof in due form, Liberty being reserved for the other. Executor therein named to qualify when he may think fit. Exd. Teste P. Pelham CC C A COPY TESTE: Robert C. Wren, Clerk by Mary D. Lee, D.C. Recorded in Will Book 1 at page 149 in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of Greeneville County, Virginia. Some of my own conclusions. The aforementioned Still was very likely a whiskey still. It was quite legal for people to make and sell whiskey at this time. By distilling whiskey from surplus corn, a plantation owner would have a product that would keep for long periods of time, be compact and easily stored, plus have a ready market. At the time of this will, steel was a scarce and valuabe item, hence the special note about the Cross Cut Saw. The US retained the English monetary system for some years after the revolution, so money was pounds. The original was hand-written and some question was created about the hand written date of the will. Additional documentation from the Circuit Court of Greenville County, dated April 11, 1983 confirms the Clerk Robert C. Wren's written notation and date of service, confirming the date of the will. We also know that John Vick acted as a constable in the county, since there is mention that he is exempt from '... payment of levies..' during his service. Ronald Vick

Thought this might be timely for our list. Hi Pal! Here's..............................................GEORGE!!! And....Happy Valentine's Day! The Paradox of our Time - by George Carlin The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings, but shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have less; we buy more, but enjoy it less. We have bigger houses and smaller families; more conveniences, but less time; we have more degrees, but less sense; more knowledge, but less judgment; more experts, but more problems; more medicine, but less wellness. We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry too quickly, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too seldom, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We've learned how to make a living, but not a life; we've added years to life, not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet the new neighbor. We've conquered outer space, but not inner space. We've done larger things, but not better things. We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've split the atom, but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information to produce more copies than ever, but have less communication. These are the times of fast foods and slow gestation; tall men, and short character; steep profits, and shallow relationships. These are the times of world peace, but domestic warfare; more leisure, but less fun; more kinds of food, but less nutrition. These are days of two incomes, but more divorce; of fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throw-away morality, one-night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the show window and nothing in the stockroom; a time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete. George Carlin

Looking for information on Sarah Vick, daughter of David and Mary, Montgomery Co., Geogia 1830, Appling Co. 1840. Settled in La. by 1850. She marrried James Swain 1843. Thanks Faye

Very well stated and put, glad someone brought that up. I am the Virginia, Tennessee, North Mississippi bunch. I too am interested in the Quaker info, I have always heard that but never seen anything on it. Steve Vick ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda D. Fiddie <jordans@rose.net> To: <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 7:14 PM Subject: [VICK-L] [Fwd: southern heritage] > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------E3352CF9A1E770DE34E33D0B > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > --------------E3352CF9A1E770DE34E33D0B > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Received: by mail.rose.net (mbox jordans) > (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Feb 12 19:38:43 2000) > X-From_: zana-vg@worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 12 12:44:14 2000 > Return-Path: <zana-vg@worldnet.att.net> > Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) > by mail.rose.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13336 > for <jordans@rose.net>; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:44:14 -0500 > Received: from default ([12.74.98.139]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net > (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP > id <20000212174344.STEA1419@default> for <jordans@rose.net>; > Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:43:44 +0000 > Message-ID: <003201bf7582$5a96e520$8b624a0c@default> > Reply-To: "suzanne golladay" <zana-vg@worldnet.att.net> > From: "suzanne golladay" <zana-vg@worldnet.att.net> > To: <jordans@rose.net> > Subject: southern heritage > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:55:25 -0600 > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > > Linda...pass this on or deep six as a personal communication as you see fit. > > I cannot begin to pretend to the wide historical knowledge of so many of our > Vick cousins. I fact the recent discussion put my own academic achievements > in very poor light; however I would like to present a more sociological > wrap-up by pointing out that: > > 1) This group (the mail ring) was birthed by the descendants of Joseph Vick, > a Quaker convert, and an adopted Southerner. The first three generations in > the Colonies/US were of an overwhelming majority Quakers. It is proven fact > that the Quakers (although "soft" on the issue early on...a few initially > did have slaves; freeing them after the Friends took a more positive line on > the issue) were anti-slavery...believing in the freedom of all > persons...and, yes, equal participation in the church of both women and men. > > 2) The branches of Joseph's descendants who trekked west into Tennessee, > Arkansas and Texas were simple frontier people. Not wealthy. > > 3) Of those whose path was to the south into Alabama and Mississippi were > many devout with religious leaders among them. > > 4) As in any age they were a part of their society and the mores of the > time. > > 5) My point being: to those Vicks of other lines. Please understand that we > descendants of Joseph are overwhelmingly Southern by birth and experience > (at least those of us born and raised before the 60's). We see and seek to > learn from both the good and the bad in earlier generations and times, as in > now; but we respect from where we come and we do not deny our Southern > birthright to be proud of the South. This in no way requires that we think > and act in this era as others did in theirs. We simply defend the right of > our ancestors, in their time, to react as they did and not be criticized > without proper perspective applied. > > suzanne > > > > --------------E3352CF9A1E770DE34E33D0B-- >

At 08:14 PM 2/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >I cannot begin to pretend to the wide historical knowledge of so many of our >Vick cousins. I fact the recent discussion put my own academic achievements >in very poor light; however I would like to present a more sociological >wrap-up by pointing out that: > >1) This group (the mail ring) was birthed by the descendants of Joseph Vick, >a Quaker convert, and an adopted Southerner. The first three generations in >the Colonies/US were of an overwhelming majority Quakers. My information, mainly coming from Sam Vick and Sam Vick,Jr. seems to be dated. I have copies of some legal documents concerning Joseph Vick, 1645-1695 (?), of Isle of Wight, (in modern Virginia) but nothing concerning his personal life, including religion. May I inquire as to your sources, and obtain copies? Ronald Vick

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E3352CF9A1E770DE34E33D0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------E3352CF9A1E770DE34E33D0B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail.rose.net (mbox jordans) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Feb 12 19:38:43 2000) X-From_: zana-vg@worldnet.att.net Sat Feb 12 12:44:14 2000 Return-Path: <zana-vg@worldnet.att.net> Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by mail.rose.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13336 for <jordans@rose.net>; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:44:14 -0500 Received: from default ([12.74.98.139]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <20000212174344.STEA1419@default> for <jordans@rose.net>; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:43:44 +0000 Message-ID: <003201bf7582$5a96e520$8b624a0c@default> Reply-To: "suzanne golladay" <zana-vg@worldnet.att.net> From: "suzanne golladay" <zana-vg@worldnet.att.net> To: <jordans@rose.net> Subject: southern heritage Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:55:25 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Linda...pass this on or deep six as a personal communication as you see fit. I cannot begin to pretend to the wide historical knowledge of so many of our Vick cousins. I fact the recent discussion put my own academic achievements in very poor light; however I would like to present a more sociological wrap-up by pointing out that: 1) This group (the mail ring) was birthed by the descendants of Joseph Vick, a Quaker convert, and an adopted Southerner. The first three generations in the Colonies/US were of an overwhelming majority Quakers. It is proven fact that the Quakers (although "soft" on the issue early on...a few initially did have slaves; freeing them after the Friends took a more positive line on the issue) were anti-slavery...believing in the freedom of all persons...and, yes, equal participation in the church of both women and men. 2) The branches of Joseph's descendants who trekked west into Tennessee, Arkansas and Texas were simple frontier people. Not wealthy. 3) Of those whose path was to the south into Alabama and Mississippi were many devout with religious leaders among them. 4) As in any age they were a part of their society and the mores of the time. 5) My point being: to those Vicks of other lines. Please understand that we descendants of Joseph are overwhelmingly Southern by birth and experience (at least those of us born and raised before the 60's). We see and seek to learn from both the good and the bad in earlier generations and times, as in now; but we respect from where we come and we do not deny our Southern birthright to be proud of the South. This in no way requires that we think and act in this era as others did in theirs. We simply defend the right of our ancestors, in their time, to react as they did and not be criticized without proper perspective applied. suzanne --------------E3352CF9A1E770DE34E33D0B--