Thanks for the link Suzanne still no Texas though, David, "Why you think they fought the war. What if the South had won? Would we be a better Nation? How? Betty this is not to be graded like a school grade. They had two very different views back then and we probably still do?" Would we be better off if the south had won, yes? The South had the independent nature of our first Americans. They did not look for entitlements, or favors from the government for their existence or their gain. The northern "Robber Barons" were in reality using the government to extort wealth from the south & west. Without the government, the extortion would not have been possible. "Monopoly is only possible through government interference", and has never occurred without some form of totalitarian instigation. I will admit the expediency of the northern expropriations of land and wealth probably did accelerate the growth & westward expansion. However at what price to our Constitutional freedoms. The decline of rights, and the disregard for the law by those in charge of the law can be traced to the Northern Governments control of our nation. This abuse continues today in the form of Executive Orders & Judicial Reversals without the consent of the governed. It is common knowledge that the "slave question" had been discussed since the founding of the country. Incase anyone missed it, we inherited the slave system from the BRITISH GOVERNMENT; there was much talk about disbanding the system from the founding of the country http://web-cr05.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/rb_index_hd.html. Much of this was discussed by the 5 Presidents under the Articles of Confederation before George Washington, and all of the Presidents after. It is also known that Lincoln never mentioned freeing the slaves until the last year of the war. The "Slave State" issue was simply a way of describing the south as a voting block, which was more likely at that time to vote free trade, and less government control. Control is what this war was fought over; Northern Tariffs & Controls were economically strangling the South. Very few of the thousands who fought actually owned slaves. Incidentally, black people rounded up their brothers in African and sold them into slavery, a fact rarely mentioned in our politically correct media. They continue the practice today. In the tumult of 1865, the original Thirteenth Amendment was removed from our Constitution. In a Congressional Resolve to amend dated December 5, 1864, another 13th Amendment (which prohibited slavery in Sect. 1, and ended states' rights in Sect. 2) was proposed. When, on January 13, 1865, a two-thirds vote was taken in the House of Representatives for proposing the currently presented 13th Amendment "in honor of the immortal and sublime event" the House adjourned. It was presented to the States on February 1, 1865 for ratification. On April 9, 1865 the Civil War ended with General Lee's surrender. On April 14, President Lincoln (who, in 1861, had signed the proposed Amendment that would have allowed slavery and states rights) was assassinated, dying on April 15th. On December 18, 1865, the "new" 13th Amendment loudly prohibiting slavery (and quietly surrendering states rights to the federal government) was proclaimed adopted by Secretary of State Seward, replacing and effectively erasing the original Thirteenth Amendment that had prohibited "titles of nobility" and "honors". Source; http://mu.clarityconnect.net/~bhuston/government/orig13th.html#description The dilemma of would we be better of if the south had won, is very dependent of the acceptance of the Constitution by the south. The old saying "Power Corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" applies to a Southern Gentleman as much as it applies to anyone around the world, and especially Yankees ;^) All of the atrocities on earth can be traced directly to those with too much power. The only prevention is empowering our children through intelligent education so they might see through the lies of totalitarian lust. Bob - K The American flag flew over slavery longer than any confederate flag. It could also be considered offensive to the Indians and British :o) After such a dissertation, you all should note Alan Keyes is more inline with my views than any other candidate. . -----Original Message----- From: suzanne golladay [mailto:zana-vg@worldnet.att.net] Sent: February 06, 2000 19:45 To: VICK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VICK-L] LAND PATENT url Off todays topic but found this url mentioned on the Arkansas Genealogy e-mail and thought might interest many. The Bureau of Land Management http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ suzanne g

Off todays topic but found this url mentioned on the Arkansas Genealogy e-mail and thought might interest many. The Bureau of Land Management http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ suzanne g

Cuz, I'm no politician . Let's just say I believe in the South, I love my Southern heritage and think it should be preserved for those who earned it long ago with their life's blood. I believe the war was fought for the states rights and not slavery. ( I'm sure there will be a lot of flack from that!) We just recently honored my great grandfather (who died in the Civil War) with a memorial service ..21 gun salute and cannon fire.. and a head stone properly inscribed. (William Henry Vick..Nash Co NC) Co.I 30 NC REGT CSA 1835-1862. My nephew recently marched with his Sons of Confederate Veterans' group in South Carolina in efforts to keep" The Flag" flying over the Capitol I have no idea what the outcome would have been had the South won. Do you?. I had 3 brothers in WWII, two in the Navy and one in the Army who fought in the Philipines. What do you suppose would have happened had we lost to Japan?? The lot of the Southerner after the Civil War was not good. Poor people suffered along with those who owned large plantations. You know the story I'm sure. I have a "why" too. People from the North move to the South because "it's a great place to live"....then almost immediately they complain..it's not like home and proceed to try and change it. WHY?? (I have a son- in-law from Connecticut and he's great) Bettie

At 05:12 PM 2/6/00 EST, you wrote: >Hello to all my Vick Kin. I know I have been silent for some time. (Very >Busy) However I have keep an eye on ya'll. (Grin) I enjoyed the letter from >Adela and the conversation concerning the flags. I would like to have some >discussion of the Civil War. I know everybody has there base belief about who >was right and who was wrong. After all we killed ourselves more in that war >than ever before. Also I don't intend to change anyone's mind, or refit the >war, what ever your poison. I was born in Brunswick Georgia and for the >obvious reasons I have been sympathetic to the South's cause all my life. >Mostly because of where I was born not because I studied or really tired to >understand the right and wrong of the war. If there is such a thing. Mostly I >believe whoever wins the war in question is the one that writes the History >Books and is declared right. Like my Dad use to always say as he spanked all >us kids, it takes two to fight, that made us both wrong. We were four boy's >and one girl and if we tired to cover something up, or if Dad was not sure >who did the dirty deed he spanked everybody there. This may sound bad but >lots of times this would encourage the one that did whatever it was to come >forward and confess knowing he was going to get it anyway, might as well cut >the rest loose. Oh boy am I glad because I was nicer than my older >brothers....(NOT) But we did have lots of fun. >Lets get back to the point here. I would like to here your opinions and >points of view on the Civil War. I wonder if like me your option has been >formed by your relationship or by what you learned about the Civil War and >why each side took the stance they did. The thing with OJ Simpson a few years >ago and watching the great difference in what people believed to be true >about the case has made me take a long look at my objectivity and >fair-mindedness. I wonder just how fair-minded I really am. Could I sit in a >jurors Poisson and be fair if the case was against my brother or somebody I >knew and loved or felt like we had command ground? WOW! How do we really >judge a matter? Are we as fair minded as we say we are? >One last thing, I don't want to turn this site into a Civil War site. I am >enjoying getting to know all my kin. I think a little discussion along this >line will better help us understand who we all are a little better. So get >your cup of coffee sit back and tell us what you think about the Civil War, >who was right and who was wrong and why. What if the South had won that War? >I have really enjoyed hearing the history of the Rebel Flag. Haven't you? >When our forefathers fought each other they both thought they were right. >They were all honorable men doing what they thought was the right thing at >the time. > >Your Honorable Cuz > >David in Florida I've always taken every chance to visit historical sites from the Civil War, Charleston, Richmond, Gettysburg, Vicksburg, New Orleans, even Andersonville. (did you know there is a Vick buried there? I hadn't realized there was a large branch of the family in Milwaukee!) As I walked through the Devil's Den, then followed the path of Picket's Charge, I realized that those men and women gave their lives for what they believed in. Today, it's very difficult to comprehend either side. As you say, the victors write the history books, and even worse, people apply the morality of today to people that had no idea of it. Political Correctness is newspeak for doublethink! Hollywood fiction defines most people's ideas of history. A case in point. I was puzzled by what I was seeing in family bibles, until I found that the full names were actual family members, when only first names were entered into the bible, they were usually family slaves. Another time, I saw mention of the fact that one night the family was awakened by someone wanting to donate two slaves for their food and board. The person giving them away could no longer feed and clothe them, and would have been humiliated to admit that in public. He'd rather give them to a good family that could take care of them than see them suffer. Freeing a old lady and young child would have been condemning them to slow starvation. These things hardly match the image that Hollywood wants to project upon them, preferring to portray scenes of sado-masocism, and even sordid sex. Is it any wonder that today's blacks resent their ancestor's slavery even more that their ancestors did? It certainly would have been far better for this country had there never been that war. It killed a very large number of people on both sides, depleted the wealth of the north, and enslaved the people of the south. The south is still recovering it's lost wealth and position of prosperity which was destroyed. Ronald Vick

Thanks Bettie, I am sure many of the Vick's died for the South and many for the North. There is no good War. I am hoping this discussion will bring out things we can all be proud of on both sides. I don't think there was a bad guy here. I think we had two sets of needs that drove the war. The South won that war for a long time. Then the tide turned and the North won the war. The outcome was very uncertain for a long time. Looking back now, and you know about hind sight, makes me wonder where we would be as a country if we had been divided? Would we have been defeated by another country? If the North had lost what would have happened to the industry steel Mills and so fourth in the North? Could we have developed divided? I hope none take offense. It is not meant to bring offense but rather to Remember, Honor, those that went before us. I don't know what I would have done at that time in history. I don't think my heart would have allowed me to keep Slaves. It had been outlawed for many years around the World. However if my whole way of life and my families future depended on that labor to harvest crops it would be very hard to walk away and give up everything me and my family had worked for. I would like to here your two cents worth on this matter. Like I said there is no right or wrong answers Honorable men on both sides did what they felt they had to do. Many knew each other from West Point where they trained together as Army officers. Many knew each other from there home towns. Matter of fact many were brothers shooting at each other across a field. It hurts my heart to think of all that was lost on both sides. They just did not have the ability to sit down and "talk" it out. They could only see there own need. There needs were very different. The North needed people with higher job skills and mentality. The South needed people to work the fields. They didn't have to read the instructions. I would like to here your two cents worth on this topic. There have been some very interesting points made already so jump right in the water is fine. Cuz'en David in Cold Florida string the pot usual

Long live the South and the Rebel Flag .......forever. Bettie Moore (of the Vicks) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Good2news@aol.com> To: <VICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 5:12 PM Subject: [VICK-L] Re: Vick Bunny trail no facts included. > Hello to all my Vick Kin. I know I have been silent for some time. (Very > Busy) However I have keep an eye on ya'll. (Grin) I enjoyed the letter from > Adela and the conversation concerning the flags. I would like to have some > discussion of the Civil War. I know everybody has there base belief about who > was right and who was wrong. After all we killed ourselves more in that war > than ever before. Also I don't intend to change anyone's mind, or refit the > war, what ever your poison. I was born in Brunswick Georgia and for the > obvious reasons I have been sympathetic to the South's cause all my life. > Mostly because of where I was born not because I studied or really tired to > understand the right and wrong of the war. If there is such a thing. Mostly I > believe whoever wins the war in question is the one that writes the History > Books and is declared right. Like my Dad use to always say as he spanked all > us kids, it takes two to fight, that made us both wrong. We were four boy's > and one girl and if we tired to cover something up, or if Dad was not sure > who did the dirty deed he spanked everybody there. This may sound bad but > lots of times this would encourage the one that did whatever it was to come > forward and confess knowing he was going to get it anyway, might as well cut > the rest loose. Oh boy am I glad because I was nicer than my older > brothers....(NOT) But we did have lots of fun. > Lets get back to the point here. I would like to here your opinions and > points of view on the Civil War. I wonder if like me your option has been > formed by your relationship or by what you learned about the Civil War and > why each side took the stance they did. The thing with OJ Simpson a few years > ago and watching the great difference in what people believed to be true > about the case has made me take a long look at my objectivity and > fair-mindedness. I wonder just how fair-minded I really am. Could I sit in a > jurors Poisson and be fair if the case was against my brother or somebody I > knew and loved or felt like we had command ground? WOW! How do we really > judge a matter? Are we as fair minded as we say we are? > One last thing, I don't want to turn this site into a Civil War site. I am > enjoying getting to know all my kin. I think a little discussion along this > line will better help us understand who we all are a little better. So get > your cup of coffee sit back and tell us what you think about the Civil War, > who was right and who was wrong and why. What if the South had won that War? > I have really enjoyed hearing the history of the Rebel Flag. Haven't you? > When our forefathers fought each other they both thought they were right. > They were all honorable men doing what they thought was the right thing at > the time. > > Your Honorable Cuz > > David in Florida > >

Hi Vick Cousins, Thought some of you might be interested in this letter from Adela Vick in 1870. Doris Moore ---------- > From: ReminderService@MyFamily.com > To: Doris Moore <djmoore@nb.net> > Subject: Don't forget 7 Feb 1870 letter from Adela Vick* on February 7 > Date: Sunday, February 06, 2000 2:38 AM > > Don't forget: 7 Feb 1870 letter from Adela Vick* on February 7. This > anniversary reminder is from ~ Us Mississippians ~. > > > Lexington, Texas. > > Dear Aunt -- > > Yours of the 26th of Jan. came to hand the fourth of Feb. It found us all > well. We was on the road about six weeks. We camped here one week > waiting for them to get out of the house. > > We are all living in the same house except Uncle Thomas and he lives in > site. The house we live in had eight rooms to it, is a double house > shedded all around except one end. > > It has three rock chimneys, we have three bedsteads. Two of them is _____ > cost $8 each in Lexington, the other cost $7 in Brenham. > > Joe & John has made three trips to Brenham. They carried cotton down and > bought lumber and groceries. It is 45 miles and is a good road to go by > Evergreen. > > There are about five creeks. It would be bad if it would rain. It has not > rained but three times since we been here and they was very light. > > I have seen plenty mule eared rabbit, prairie chickens & deer & turkey. > Joe killed a mule earred rabbit the other day. They are larger than our > rabbits. They ears is about four inches long as well as I can guess. > > They killed some prairie chickens. They resemble a partridge. > > Julia Valentine & Jim Evans married about two weeks ago. I heard that > Caroline & Jim Evans' brother was to be married last Thursday night. I > haven't heard whether they married or not. I understand that Miss Lizzie > Perry is to be married shortly. > > There isn't but one church in Lexington that I know of and its a Baptist. > The Methodist preach in the Academy. There is another in four or five > miles. I have been to Baptist preaching twice and to prayer meeting once. > It is the worst looking house I ever saw to be a church. > > There isn't but one school in Lexington and it has forty scholars. There > is none of going to school yet. > > I have formed a good acquaintance with one family, Mr. Harrington's > family. He has a daughter about my age and two grown sons. I am well > pleased with them so far. > > We have a pump cistern. It is at dining door. Jim Marcus (marquis?) is > living with Uncle Hartwell and John lives with us. > > Mother has a cooking stove. It is number eight and she is very well > pleased with it. > > We have planted garden seed and they are up nice. We got 125 lbs. of > dried apples. > > I went to two shows in Lexington. > > Uncle Berry's negros came all the way. > We have made six pots of soap. > > We picked cotton when we first got here at 41 1/2 per hundred. I picked > 140 lbs. > > We live about three miles from Mr. Nallie and about two miles from Mr. > Sykes and about two miles to Billy Perry. > > Old Billy Valentine is living there this year. I suppose he was very low > when he first came. Mother & grandmother went to see him but he is > better. He had the newmonia. > > Mother has bought four geese. > > The roads is as good here as they are there in the summer time. They is > so levil we can lope all the way to church in the buggy. > > I must come to a close. Write soon. Give my love to all and reserve a > goodly portion to yourself. > > -- Adela Vick > > > > **$15 GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR PURCHASES OF $30 OR MORE IN THE GIFT CENTER** > >>> http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=couponanniv > > If you have forgotten your username or password, please visit the > following address: > >>> http://www.myfamily.com/security/forgotpwd.asp > > If you do not want to receive these anniversary reminders in the future, > please edit your email preferences by clicking on this link: > >>> http://www.myfamily.com/sub/prefs.asp?ID=1B255BB8D36064D >

hear hear faye

Cuz'en Ronald Thanks, You made some points I had not considered. Specially about giving slaves away and facing a very uncertain future themselves. Remember folks this is not about right or wrong answers. This is about sharing some of your heart with us. Your cuz'en. As families should always do take care not to hurt the ones you love. Cuz;en David 906 W Terrace Dr Plant City Fl. 33565 813-659-3435 Http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Interview/4893/Geobook.html

Doris: Do you if this happens to be from the daughter of Lemuel Washington Wood VICK?? Jay > Hi Vick Cousins, > > Thought some of you might be interested in this letter from Adela Vick in > 1870. > > Doris Moore >

<< Long live the South and the Rebel Flag .......forever. Bettie Moore (of the Vicks) >> Way to go Betty! Thanks for jumping right in with your response. I am looking for a bit more soul searching. However the cheer leading great. Would you be willing to share your thoughts on Right, Wrong. Why you think they fought the war. What if the South had won? Would we be a better Nation? How? Betty this is not to be graded like a school grade. They had two very different views back then and we probably still do? I would just like to know your thoughts. This is your option nobody has to agree with you and nobody will fuss at you. However we will all get to know you a little better. Could you be fair if you had to judge a loved one? Cuz;en David 906 W Terrace Dr Plant City Fl. 33565 813-659-3435 http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Interview/4893/

Hello to all my Vick Kin. I know I have been silent for some time. (Very Busy) However I have keep an eye on ya'll. (Grin) I enjoyed the letter from Adela and the conversation concerning the flags. I would like to have some discussion of the Civil War. I know everybody has there base belief about who was right and who was wrong. After all we killed ourselves more in that war than ever before. Also I don't intend to change anyone's mind, or refit the war, what ever your poison. I was born in Brunswick Georgia and for the obvious reasons I have been sympathetic to the South's cause all my life. Mostly because of where I was born not because I studied or really tired to understand the right and wrong of the war. If there is such a thing. Mostly I believe whoever wins the war in question is the one that writes the History Books and is declared right. Like my Dad use to always say as he spanked all us kids, it takes two to fight, that made us both wrong. We were four boy's and one girl and if we tired to cover something up, or if Dad was not sure who did the dirty deed he spanked everybody there. This may sound bad but lots of times this would encourage the one that did whatever it was to come forward and confess knowing he was going to get it anyway, might as well cut the rest loose. Oh boy am I glad because I was nicer than my older brothers....(NOT) But we did have lots of fun. Lets get back to the point here. I would like to here your opinions and points of view on the Civil War. I wonder if like me your option has been formed by your relationship or by what you learned about the Civil War and why each side took the stance they did. The thing with OJ Simpson a few years ago and watching the great difference in what people believed to be true about the case has made me take a long look at my objectivity and fair-mindedness. I wonder just how fair-minded I really am. Could I sit in a jurors Poisson and be fair if the case was against my brother or somebody I knew and loved or felt like we had command ground? WOW! How do we really judge a matter? Are we as fair minded as we say we are? One last thing, I don't want to turn this site into a Civil War site. I am enjoying getting to know all my kin. I think a little discussion along this line will better help us understand who we all are a little better. So get your cup of coffee sit back and tell us what you think about the Civil War, who was right and who was wrong and why. What if the South had won that War? I have really enjoyed hearing the history of the Rebel Flag. Haven't you? When our forefathers fought each other they both thought they were right. They were all honorable men doing what they thought was the right thing at the time. Your Honorable Cuz David in Florida

If you have Vick family who left Ms for Tx, this info could be of interest to you. Doris ---------- > From: Vickie Everhart <vpeverhart@aol.com> > To: djmoore@nb.net > Subject: Vickie Everhart invites you to the Us Mississippians family Web site! > Date: Saturday, February 05, 2000 10:11 AM > > Dear Doris Moore, > > Just a note to welcome some new "Us > Mississippians" (y'all keep spreading the word!), > and to remind some of the "regulars" of what we're > trying to do with this site at MyFamily.com (MFC). > > This is a place where Us Mississippians (UM) can > "circle the wagons" and piece together our > scattered bits and pieces of info to draw a more > complete portrait of the group that left Oktibbeha > County in 1869 to start a new life in Texas. > > So if any of y'all have info to add, PLEASE let me > know! > > In 1974, Thomas Underwood wrote that, "By 1869 a > group of people from this Mississippi area (i.e., > Oktibbeha County) started to Texas, led by Johnson > Perry who was a brother to Cecelia Perry Parker > Sikes. . . . Most of the families who came with > this group settled around String Prairie, > Lexington and Tanglewood." > > The following surnames are believed to be those of > SOME of the families who " . . . made the long > trek from northern Mississippi. . . . " to Texas, > whether it was with the 1869 wagon train, or > even shortly before or after that date. > > ~ Beard > ~ Beasley > ~ Bexley > ~ Boyd > ~ Marquis > ~ Monroe > ~ Parker > ~ Perry > ~ Rife > ~ Sikes and/or Sykes > ~ Thomas > ~ Valentine > ~ Vick > ~ West > > Following is the information received so far as > y'all have responded to the request for a brief > explanation of your connection back to the above > names and OCM (i.e., Oktibbeha County, > Mississippi). Hopefully this summary will help > ALL of us create a more complete picture of this > jigsaw puzzle that still has a lot of missing > pieces. > > If your connection is not listed below, or is not > complete, or if you see an error and/or an > omission, please send your info to > > vpeverhart@aol.com < so she can update this "map." > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > BOSWELL > Valentine > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > BRYAN nee Pounders > Pounders nee Muston > Muston > nee Nettles > Nettles nee West > West & Carter > > ~ Pamela Jean Bryan nee Pounders born 1957 in > Milam Co. TX . . . (sister of EVERHART nee > Pounders) > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > COOLEY > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > DIXON nee Adams > Adams nee Valentine > Valentine > & West > > ~ LaVerne Dixon nee Adams born 1933 in Teague TX > daughter of > > ~ Alver Adams (1890-1972) born in Volga, Houston > Co. TX, son of > > ~ Francis Elizabeth Adams nee Valentine > (1859-1945) born in Starkville OCM, daughter of > > ~ John William Valentine (c.1839-1864) born in > Starkville, son of > > Britton Valentine (1811-1884) & Matilda Valentine > nee West (1808-1884) who was a daughter of Richard > West & sister of Richard C. West, Jr. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > EVERHART nee Pounders > Pounders nee Muston > > Muston nee Nettles > Nettles nee West > West & > Carter > > ~ Vickie Lynne Everhart nee Pounders born 1951 in > Milam Co. TX, daughter of > > ~ Forrest Lee Pounders (1927-1996) born in Cameron > Co. TX, but grew up in Lee Co. TX & died in > Rockdale, Milam Co., son of > > ~ Ima Lois Pounders nee Muston (1906-1999) born in > Lee Co. & died in Rockdale, daughter of > > ~ Emma Patience Muston nee Nettles (1882-1964) > born in Lee Co. & died in Rockdale, daughter of > > ~ Mary Annie "Mollie" Nettles nee West (1852-1939) > born near Starkville OCM, lived in Lee Co. almost > six decades, & died in Lott, TX, daughter of > Richard C. West, Jr. & Sarah Mildred "Sally" West > nee Carter > > [Note -- Mollie is the "rememberer" of life in > Oktibbeha County during the Civil War, and of the > wagon train trek to Texas in 1869, as detailed in > the NEWS items dated 6 July 1999.] > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > GREEN > Pounders nee Muston > Muston nee Nettles > > Nettles nee West > West & Carter > > ~ William Roy Green, Jr. born 1953 in Rockdale, > Milam Co. TX, son of > ~ Dovie Louise Green nee Pounders (1929-1999) born > in Tanglewood, Lee Co. TX, sister of Forrest Lee > Pounders & daughter of > ~ Ima Lois Pounders nee Muston...(see EVERHART nee > Pounders) > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > HALES nee Smith > Smith nee Burroughs > Burroughs > nee Beard > Beard & Christopher > > ~ Ardath Elaine Hales nee Smith born 1952 in > Houston, Harris Co. TX, daughter of > > ~ Chester R. Smith, Jr. (1928-1999) born in > Houston, son of > > ~ Ida Almira Smith nee Burroughs (1905-1990), > daughter of > > ~ Ida Mae Burroughs nee Beard (1879-1905) born in > Starkville OCM, > daughter of James Riley Beard & Amanda T. Beard > nee Christopher > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > HARPER > Vick & Marquis > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > HENDRICKS > Perry > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > JORDAN > Miller > McDowell & Bell > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > KELLY > > > Mike's grandfather's younger sister, Ann Kelly > (born c. 1904 in Lee Co., TX), married Alvernon > SIKES. Do any of y'all have any info on this Mr. > Sikes? Is he a member of the OCM Sikes family? > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > KIRK > Valentine > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > LAMPKIN > > > Mike Lampkin is the Volunteer Host/ County > Coordinator for the Oktibbeha County, Mississippi > Genealogical History Page. His ancestors first > arrived in OCM in 1833. Don't know if any of his > kin came on the 1869 wagon train, but there are a > few similar surnames in the surname list at > Lampkin.Net. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > MCCANDLESS > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > MCKEOWN > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > MCMAINS nee Peebles > Sikes & West > > ~ Martha Lou McMains nee Peebles born > 1947 . . . (sister of PEEBLES) > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > MONROE > Parker & Perry > > ~ Gerald Andrew Monroe born 1947 in Waco TX, son > of > > ~ Gordon Harold Monroe born 1921 in Waco, son of > > ~ Benjamin Franklin Monroe (1874-1950), born in > Lexington, Lee Co. TX & died in Waco, son of > > ~ Sanders Alexander Monroe (died 1887 in Milam Co. > TX) & Sarah Anne Beard Monroe nee Parker > (1845-1945), born in NC & died in Temple TX, > daughter of Cecelia Sikes Parker nee Perry (born > 1818 in NC) & Isaac William Parker (1813-1857), > born in NC & died in OCM > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > MOORE > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > NORTHERN nee Pounders > Pounders nee Muston > > Muston nee Nettles > Nettles nee West > West & > Carter > > ~ Monty Dwayne Northern & Jaime Lyn Northern & > Emily Rebecca Northern (all born in Rockdale) are > three of the five children of Rebecca Mae Northern > Nink nee Pounders born 1953 in Milam Co. > TX. . . . (sister of EVERHART nee Pounders) > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > PEEBLES > Peebles nee Sikes > Sikes & West > > ~ Kenneth Fred Peebles born 1950, son of > > ~ Alton Brooks Peebles (1913-1991), son of > > ~ Robert Lee Peebles (1878-1965), born in Lee Co. > TX, son of > > ~ Margaret Ann Nalley Peebles Harrell nee Sikes > (1853-1904) born in Mississippi, daughter of > > ~ Sarah Sikes nee West (1823-1854) daughter of > Richard West, & sister of Richard C. West, Jr. & > Matilda Valentine nee West > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > PERRY > Peebles > Sikes & West > > Nancy Perry nee Hardy was married 23 August 1955 > in Lexington, Lee Co. TX to > > ~ Alph Earl Perry (1935-1998) born & died in > Lexington, son of > > ~ Isaac Alpheous Perry (1909-1986) born & died in > Lexington, son of > > ~ Hattie Elizabeth Perry nee Peebles (1887-1928) > born in Lee Co., daughter of > > ~ Margaret Ann Nalley Peebles Harrell nee Sikes > (1853-1904) born in Mississippi, daughter of > > ~ Sarah Sikes nee West (1823-1854) daughter of > Richard West, & sister of Richard C. West, Jr. & > Matilda Valentine nee West > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > PRYOR nee Rife > Rife > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > RYAN > Vick > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > TARIN > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > THOMAS nee Mooney > Beard & Christopher > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > TREADWELL > Marquis > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > TURNER > McDowell & Dasnby (also some info on > Vicks & Boyds) > > ~ Robert W. (Bob) Turner born 1937 in Phillips Co. > Ark., son of > > ~ Wallace Berry Turner (1900-1967) born in > Phillips Co., son of > > ~ John L. Turner (1870-1949) born in Phillips Co., > son of > > ~ Eleanor Ann Turner nee McDowell (1848-1900) born > in OCM, > daughter of John Yongue McDowell & Ellen McDowell > nee Dasnby > > [FYI ~ John Y. McDowell was the son of John > McDowell (1770-1861), who was born in Ireland & > died in OCM, & his wife, Jean Yongue (1775-1825), > also born in Ireland & died in SC or AL. John > McDowell & his family moved to OCM c. 1835 in > search of cheap land. John & Jean also had a > daughter, Mary McDowell (1800-1947) born in SC & > died in OCM) who married Andrew Boyd (1778-1839) > died in OCM. Mary & Andrew had seven children, & > three of the daughters married Vicks. They were: > > ~ Emeline Jane Boyd (1827-1853) born in SC & died > in OCM, who married William Henry Vick > ~ Mary Caroline Boyd (1829-1873) born in SC & died > in Lee Co. TX, who married Littleberry Fletcher > Vick > ~ Louise Catherine Boyd (1836-1860) born & died in > OCM, who married Hartwell D. Vick > > Another daughter of Andrew & Mary Boyd was Amanda > Boyd, the Aunt that all the Vick's were writing to > back in OCM. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > UNDERWOOD > Peebles > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > VANCE > Nettles > West & Carter > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > WOOD > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > WRIGHT nee Mooney > Beard & Christopher > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > To login to our MyFamily Web site, go to http://www.myfamily.com and enter > your temporary Username and Password: > > Username: Doris_Moore > Password: Moore17 > > You may also use this easy login link to go directly to your family web > site: > http://www.myfamily.com/security/new.asp?ID=C6F891A608B6143 > > After you log into your site, you can change your Username and Password at > any time. > > If you need any help you can contact your site administrator(s): > Vickie Everhart (vpeverhart@aol.com) > > Or, contact the MyFamily.com support team at: > Support@MyFamily.com > > P.S. 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Guess what? I'm having a SENIOR MOMENT!! Our new e-mail address is : m_vick@excite.com

THIS IS OUR NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS. - MIKE & JOYCE VICK

Hi List, I was wondering if anyone on the list has been able to find a birth or marriage certificate of a William Vick. William was born October 27, 1816 and married Nancy ALDERMAN on Dec. 20, 1844 in Brooks, Quitman County, Ga. William died Aug. 15, 1856 and Nancy died Dec. 25, 1912. Any help in finding copies of any of these documents would be greatly appreciated. Trying to find the parents of William and if they were from Georgia or the Carolinas. Thank-you in advance for all your help. Sue macduff@citrus.infi.net

Hi List, Since my posting of last week seeking the birth and death dates of Augustus G. Vick, I have since found the year he was born and died and where he is interred. I have still haven't been able to come up with a marriage date but now I can give a fairly good 'guesstimate". Not only am I searching for the marriage date, I am looking for the day and month of his birth and death in MOULTRIE, Ga. Augustus G. VICK born 1874 in MOULTRIE Married: about 1890 - 1894 in MOULTRIE spouse: Frances Catherine Burdishaw 1877-1960 (died in Pine Bluff, Arkansas) Died: 1949 either in Panama City, Bay Co., FL (no record of death found there) or in Georgia. I do not believe he died in Arkansas. Frances went there to spend her "golden years" with one of her children. Any help in finding the dates of BMD with additional information would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you all for your help in the past week. You have all been great in helping unlock a great mystery. Sue macduff@citrus.infi.net

The January issue of the Vick Family Newsletter will be mailed in early February. I apologize for the delay. Reconstruction/renovation work on my house which was to have been done in February suddenly was moved forward into late December and January. This has caused a major disruption in my schedule. The Newsletter is ready to be printed and the nvelopes are even ready to be stuffed and delivered to the post office BUT my car is snowbound (we have to park on street -- that's city life for you) and until it can be moved I can't get to the printer. I expect to be able to get out next week. So hopefully the Newsletter will be mailed by the end of the week. Please accept my apologies. Di Ann

Glenna, I found your message of 12 January on the VICK-L and noted at the bottom that you are researching Martins and Lattas. Martin is such a common name and my last attempt to find a MARTIN-L failed. I have Martin ancestors last generation that I can find in around San Antonio Texas. Are you researching any Texas Martins of 19th century? My great grandmother, Sally H. Martin married a C.C. Kimble. She was a twin. If you are onto Texas Martins, please let me know and I will send you further details. Also, if you can suggest sources for finding Martins, any suggestions would be appreciated. Also, one of Sally Martin Kimble's granddaughters, also a twin married a Latta. They lived in Arizona, Joe Latta died late 1960s and Ethel Glass Latta sometime early 1970s. If these are part of your Latta line, I can send you a bit more information. Their children are my 3rd cousins. Betty Meyer meyeroz@ozemail.com.au

At 09:59 PM 1/25/00 -0600, you wrote: >The 'Stars and Bars' was >> two horizontal red bars, one white, with a blue field and white stars. >This flag was flown over Fort Sumter. > >'Stainless' banner replaced the red bars with a solid white. >This would be the second national flag, replacing the 7 stars in a circle >with 13 stars in the x pattern( St. Andrews cross.) > >The 'Jackson' >> Flag added a vertical red bar at the end of the flag, and the 'Battle' >flag >> replaced the field of stars. >This would be the third national flag. Only a very few of these were ever >made. The union name for this one was 'Dipped in Blood'. > >Confederate ships flew variations of first national and second national, but >always had a 12' "naval Jack" ready for hoisting. > >And I have always thought that the Bonnie Blue was a Alabama secession flag, >before the Confederate gov, was in place, not a designated flag of the >confederacy, I may be mistaken. >And if someone is looking for something to pin down as a Battle Flag, good >luck, there were so many designs on the feild of battle that it would be >kinda hard. >I am glad there is people out there with your knowledge, thats the problem >with the world today, if your not educated on something "its Bad". > >Steve Vick,SCV,MOSB Steve, I'm including the lyrics to 'Bonnie Blue Flag' which should quickly show that it really wasn't associated with any single state. (It has a nice lively tune, too. In fact the tune is highly identified with the Confederacy.) As for the Battle flags, I believe it was Hood that tried to standardize the battle flags into the one seen so often today. In my original posting, I was wrong, the flag under discussion could be from three scources, the Confederate Naval ensign, the 1948 Democratic symbol, or the battle flag of the Army of Tennessee. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bonnie Blue Flag We are a band of brothers, and native to the soil, Fighting for the property we gained by honest toil; And when our rights were threatened, the cry rose near and far: Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star! Chorus: Hurrah! Hurrah! for Southern rights, Hurrah! Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag That bears a single star! As long as the Union was faithful to her trust, Like friends and like brothers, kind were we and just; But now when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar, We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star. (Chorus) First, gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand; Then came Alabama, who took her by the hand; Next, quickly Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida -- All raised on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star. (Chorus) Ye, men of valor, gather round the banner of the right; Texas and fair Louisiana join us in the fight. Davis, our loved president, and Stephens, statesman are; Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star. (Chorus) And here's to brave Virginia! The Old Dominion State, With the young Confederacy at length has linked her fate; Impelled by her example, now other States prepare To hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag, That bears a single star! (Chorus) - ----------------------------------------------------------------- I can't say for certain, but I always suspected that the single star was the reason this flag wasn't universally accepted as the Confederate flag. As soon as the delegates assembled to form the confederation, they demanded a star for each state. The real pity of it is that with today's trend to re-write history to make it 'Politically Correct', the real history is lost. "1984" hasn't totally arrived yet, but it's not far off. Ron