Edna, In response to your seeking clarification as to which Robert, Littleberry and Josiah I am refering, my first response is to please carefully study the messages to the List I sent respectively on Dec. 2, 3, and 10. If I can word this more clearly, let me know. Frequently, what one "knows" has become such a part of one's own taken-for-granted knowledge, it is often assumed that it is familiar to others. Robert is the original Robert Via I of New Kent/Hanover County, son of Amor and presumably brother of William, the dead Nohome (Naomi?), Judith, Margaret and Mary and perhaps other siblings. An aside here: Nohome was dead in 1688; Judith's baptism was not recorded until 1699, an eleven year lapse. Perhaps Robert and/or William and other siblings unaccounted for were born during this period. Many pages are torn or missing completely from the Register, we are told. Littleberry is not processioned with land in VESTRY OF ST. PAUL'S..., but he is there in 1782, when Hanover County begins to tax land and personal property. It is my assumption that he was not of age when his father, Robert I, died, that his inherited land was being held in trust until he came of age. The last time that Gideon Via (presumably son of Robert I) is mentioned in the Vestry is in 1772 (not processioned), but he is listed on the tax roll in 1782, and had land processioned in 1759. He is not listed with Robert II, Josias (with an "s") and William in 1779. In 1782, there is no William (does this William appear in another county sometime between 1779, and 1782), but there is Josias, Gideon, Robert II and Littleberry. In 1783, Estate of Josias Via, Land Tax is listed, and he has disappeared from the PP Tax Roll. Abbe or Abigail is listed in his stead, widow, I assume. She is listed for a number of years and pays poll for son, Caleb in 1785. He disappears from Hanover PP Tax Roll by 1797. Is there a Caleb out there about this time in another county? I am not looking at all of the entries, but the land of his father, Josias, is listed as "Estate of" until 1812. Gideon disappears from the PP Tax Roll in 1787, and his land is listed as "Estate of." In 1784, Littleberry begins to pay poll on sons, Littleberry, Jr. and William (Free males between 16 & 21). This Littleberry, Jr., did not stay in Hanover, nor I believe, did this William. [My ancestor, Josiah (with an "h," not "s"), is not listed as an adult poll on his own until 1798, so presumably, he was born ca 1775-76. Littleberry had a large number of children. There were eight in his household at one time]. These two, Littleberry, Jr. and William, would have been born by 1768, at the latest, and at least one of them was born before 1768. So, that would have made Littleberry, Sr (or I) be born ca 1742, the proper age to be son of Robert I, who is not processioned after 1759. Littleberry would have been minor in 1759, and would not have had land processioned. His inheritance would have been held in trust. There was no processioning in 1763, and he is not mentioned in the records until 1782, but then, Gideon's land was not processioned during the 1770's either. Again, this may have been a result of missing records or that some Orders and Returns simply were not issued and completed during the later years leading up to the Revolution. I have no way of knowing. Evidence that LIttleberry was son of Robert I, I believe I explained in my earlier postings. This Littleberry lived and died in Hanover. I know that Josiah (with an "h", not "s"; his uncle was Josias with an "s" not an "h") was his son and inherited his land or bought from the other heirs because, on the Land Tax Records while the land of Littleberry is listed as "Estate of", in the explanations beside the listing at times is "apply to Josiah Via for taxes." Then the estate is settled, and Josiah is listed as owner. This same land passes down to Carter. Proof - The Hanover Land Tax Records, and Josiah gives consent for his 20 year old son (census and Carter's Death Register), Carter, to marry in 1828. The land was then divided among Carter's children (Lavinia, who married Henry Jackson Clay Vass and died in 1861, without issue before her mother, Louisiana, did, naturally did not inherit; Georgiana who married Thomas Jefferson Otey; Andrew Jackson who married Margaret Washington Peace; Harrison who married Mildred Hare and left no issue; and Edward who married Martha Ann Elizabeth Wood), when Carter's wife died ca 1872. Edward's heirs sold the last of the land that had belonged to Robert I in 1934. My ancestors, Andrew Jackson Via and his wife, Margaret Peace, sold their inherited lands (that had been adjacent since about 1785 when her grandfather, William Peace, bought the land she inherited) in 1884, for $2.00 an acre. Andrew Jackson (AJ), Harrison, and Edward's names appear on the Confederate Monument that stands on the green of that lovely, beautifully proportioned, small 18th century Hanover Courthouse. In collecting and studying all the records that are available in this designated Burned Record County, I have tried to be as objective as I possibly can in drawing some conclusions based on evidence. With the sources that I have, there is just no other brother, parent/child, etc., relationship that I can deduce. My mind is always open to other possibilities, and I should be most happy to read them. Any clearer? It is rather convoluted sounding if one is not looking at records. And to correct an earlier posting I made, I believe that Carter and Louisiana were second cousins once removed as opposed to third once removed. Janelle