I sent the data to Leon Via but I have not heard from him since. Or perhaps he had a different source than mine. I have never seen it in print, and the only way I know to gain access to the data is in the Cahors Archives and later data is in Avignon after both men moved there. I have been in both places and researched these sources when I was actually on location on two separate occasions. One of the true delights of a trip that my sister and I made together was staying in the summer "Palace of the Popes" that is located on a high cliff above the Lot River just outside of Cahors when the Papacy was in Avignon and that Pope John XXII had built during his reign. It is now a fine hotel. John's family home is still standing in Cahors. I certainly make no claim that I have found a link between this family to our Amor/Amer Via, but at least it is something that could be pursued. I have only found a de (sometimes da) Via family in Valladolid in Spain (and feel confident that this must be the link to the Via families in Mexico). As an aside, when I was studying the 1900 Texas Census Index for my great grandfather, Andrew Jackson Via, there was no Via (and those were few in number) who had been born in Texas. They had all been born in either Virginia or Mexico. Such disparate cultures! Interesting, I thought. During the centuries that would be meaningful to us, I found a family in Bologna, Italy, one de Via woman who was being married in Paris and a family in the 18th century in the Ardennes. I have never researched in the low countries, Switzerland or Germany for our Via family. In German the number five is spelled either vier or viar. I can't remember which as I do not speak or read German. This weekend when I have more time, I shall post my notes to the VIA digest as I wrote them when I was in the Cahors Archives, in the Palace of the Popes and the palace on the same square that belonged to one of the brothers in Avignon and the cathedral of the other brother in New Avignon across the Rhone River. I have a photograph of his tomb and one of the bust that is in the small room of sculptures in the Palace of the Popes and their names (or it may be of only one of the brothers) on a plaque in the same room. I first came across one of the names at the British Library when it was housed in the British Museum. Janelle