One other question, you refer to Via's of Albemarle and of Amherst Co. Don't they all come from Amer? We believe they do, but we don't have proof on all the family lines. That is the number one reason why I started the Y-DNA Via Project. To see if the DNA can help us tie these family together. If you haven't shared your family line information with me, please do. I will love to have that information in by files. Please, email me at my address, ElaineVia@comcast.net. Thanks, Elaine =^..^=

Can't join because I am neither male nor a Via. I don't know any Via's. I am descended from Robert through his daughter Nancy (Ann) who married an Akers and then a Vaughan. I keep reading your info to be certain I have my names in order. One other question, you refer to Via's of Albemarle and of Amherst Co. Don't they all come from Amer? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: elainevia@comcast.net To: VIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: [VIA-L] Family Tree DNA Join Authorization for: Via We have one member who descendes from Robert Via II brother, Littlebury Via. So ALL the males of this family should have the SAME Y-DNA. If your family line is from Robert Via II you should match our member, Kit 42406. It would be GEART if you join our DNA project. Then you and Kit 42406 would have each other's DNA to compare with, and that's an opportunity you might not get again. Come and join the FUN! Elaine =^..^= Use the link below to join the project and purchase your DNA test. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=T42950

Is there anyone in the DNA project sho descended from Robert Via II in Hanover Co. Va.? This is the Robert who married Fanny Ann Ingram. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine To: VIA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [VIA-L] NEW Results for DNA We got some NEW results today in our DNA project. Kit #41120 was only one marker off from 37 markers, with Kit #N6276. That means they are on the same family tree. They happen to be 5th cousins 2 times removed. Both of these family lines are connected to Amer Via on paper. So, the other members of the project would like to match these two kit numbers. That would mean, their family line would be connected to Amer Via in some way. And that would be GOOD news to other members. Please, check out the DNA results on our website. They are on the bottom of the page. If you have any questions about the results, please email me at my email address. ElaineVia@comcast.net. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ViaSurnameProject/ Thanks, Elaine =^..^=

We have one member who descendes from Robert Via II brother, Littlebury Via. So ALL the males of this family should have the SAME Y-DNA. If your family line is from Robert Via II you should match our member, Kit 42406. It would be GEART if you join our DNA project. Then you and Kit 42406 would have each other's DNA to compare with, and that's an opportunity you might not get again. Come and join the FUN! Elaine =^..^= Use the link below to join the project and purchase your DNA test. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=T42950

----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Nester To: Elaine Via Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Via Obit Emma Mae (Agnes) Fridley Via, 80, of Covington, died Friday, December 9, 2005. Graveside service 3 p.m. Monday at Alleghany Memorial Park. Low Moor. Arrangements by Nicely Funeral Home. Published on 12/10/2005 The Roanoke Times

In a message dated 12/9/2005 11:41:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, ElaineVia@comcast.net writes: So, the other members of the project would like to match these two kit numbers. That would mean, their family line would be connected to Amer Via in some way. And that would be GOOD news to other members. Elaine, I am still very uneducated when it comes to DNA testing and the results produced. Here's what I was sent by another surname who also is doing DNA testing (not related to Via) but I thought this was a good explanation. Does this explanation fit with what you know about the results from DNA testing? Judy "In simple terms, the Y chromosome is passed on from father to son with almost no changes from generation to generation. So your Y-DNA is almost exactly the same as that of your grandfather, your g-g-g-g-g-grandfather, etc. Therefore, if two men have the exact same Y-DNA or almost exactly the same Y-DNA, they are descended from a common ancestor. The more differences there are between the two DNA samples, the farther back in time the common ancestor is."

"In simple terms, the Y chromosome is passed on from father to son with almost no changes from generation to generation. So your Y-DNA is almost exactly the same as that of your grandfather, your g-g-g-g-g-grandfather, etc. Therefore, if two men have the exact same Y-DNA or almost exactly the same Y-DNA, they are descended from a common ancestor. The more differences there are between the two DNA samples, the farther back in time the common ancestor is." Judy, that is RIGHT, that is why we need male members for the project with the surname of Via, Viar, Viars, Vier, Viers and ANY other spelling. Elaine =^..^=

We got some NEW results today in our DNA project. Kit #41120 was only one marker off from 37 markers, with Kit #N6276. That means they are on the same family tree. They happen to be 5th cousins 2 times removed. Both of these family lines are connected to Amer Via on paper. So, the other members of the project would like to match these two kit numbers. That would mean, their family line would be connected to Amer Via in some way. And that would be GOOD news to other members. Please, check out the DNA results on our website. They are on the bottom of the page. If you have any questions about the results, please email me at my email address. ElaineVia@comcast.net. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ViaSurnameProject/ Thanks, Elaine =^..^=

In a message dated 12/9/2005 7:34:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, Janvm1030@aol.com writes: I should have written Robert Via IV as opposed to John Via. John Via suddenly appeared on the Land Tax Roll about 1805 for 5 years or so with about 30 acres, then disappeared. Janelle, Thank you for clearing this up for me. I looked at every source I have for Hanover County trying to find a John Via during that time period. Couldn't find a John. Thanks again, Judy

Judy, I just discovered that I haven't responded to your message in response to my message that I was descended from John Via, son of Robert Via III. I erred terribly. I should have written Robert Via IV as opposed to John Via. John Via suddenly appeared on the Land Tax Roll about 1805 for 5 years or so with about 30 acres, then disappeared. I don't know how he fits into this group of Hanover Vias. He probably was son of either Littleberry or Robert III, but that is just an assumption w/o any substantive evidence. It is the nearest thing I can surmise given the possibles. Janelle

In a message dated 11/27/2005 9:53:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, Janvm1030@aol.com writes: I don't think I replied to you that I descend from this Robert Via's first wife through their son, Robert III who had son, John. John lived on Robert's original land and eventually inherited some of it. His daughter was Louisiana Via [my ancestor] who married Carter Via Janelle, That is great info, thank you for sharing it. I did not know that Robert III had a son John. Oh, how I wish someone were researching all these Hanover Vias who would work with me to get relationships straightened out! It is very difficult with little extant data except for a few marriages, deeds, and those wonderful tax lists. I think researching the entire group has it's advantages although we are still of course hindered by lack of records. At some point I'll try to gather as many Hanover records as I can. I hope we can continue to unearth records like those I recently found at the Virginia Historical Society. Every record helps when they are so hard to come by. Judy

This is great, Elaine! You must have work really hard. Again, I appreciated and enjoyed our telephone conversation. Thanks so much for calling. Best wishes, Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine" <ElaineVia@comcast.net> To: <VIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: [VIA-L] Via Family Books > Hi everyone, > > I have gotten a few emails asking about my Books I made for the Library of > Virginia in Richmond. I was told yesterday they are ready to check out > and have FUN with. I hope in five years to do an up date. If any of you > get to check them out, please let me know what you think, it will help, > when I do the up dates. > > This is what the Books are about: > > Via Family Tree - 1 volume, 255 pages, Includes information on the > descendants of William Amos "Amer" Via (ca. 1655-1708/11) of France and > New Kent County, Virginia including information on lines which settled in > Albemarle, Alleghany, Augusta, Craig, Floyd, Fluvanna, Goochland, Halifax, > Hanover, Louisa, Patrick, Rockbridge and Rockingham Counties, and > Charlottesville, Franklin, and Roanoke, Virginia and Georgia, Indiana, > Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, > Tennessee, Texas, Washington, and West Virginia. Also includes copies of > photographs and a surname index. > > Via Family Tree Certificates - 3 volumes, 857 pages, Copies of birth, > marriage and death certificates for members of the Via family, including > information on lines which settled in Albemarle, Alleghany, Augusta, > Craig, Floyd, Fluvanna, Franklin, Goochland, Greene, Halifax, Hanover, > Louisa, Orange, Patrick, Rockbridge, and Rockingham Counties, and > Charlottesville, Roanoke, and Staunton, Virginia and Arkansas, California, > Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, and > Washington. (And many more)!!!!! > > Elaine =^..^= >

You go girl!!! I am so proud of you. Love & Hugs Iris -------Original Message------- From: Elaine Date: 12/03/05 16:58:34 To: VIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VIA-L] Via Family Books Hi everyone, I have gotten a few emails asking about my Books I made for the Library of Virginia in Richmond. I was told yesterday they are ready to check out and have FUN with. I hope in five years to do an up date. If any of you get to check them out, please let me know what you think, it will help, when I do the up dates. This is what the Books are about: Via Family Tree - 1 volume, 255 pages, Includes information on the descendants of William Amos "Amer" Via (ca. 1655-1708/11) of France and New Kent County, Virginia including information on lines which settled in Albemarle, Alleghany, Augusta, Craig, Floyd, Fluvanna, Goochland, Halifax, Hanover, Louisa, Patrick, Rockbridge and Rockingham Counties, and Charlottesville, Franklin, and Roanoke, Virginia and Georgia, Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee Texas, Washington, and West Virginia. Also includes copies of photographs and a surname index. Via Family Tree Certificates - 3 volumes, 857 pages, Copies of birth, marriage and death certificates for members of the Via family, including information on lines which settled in Albemarle, Alleghany, Augusta, Craig, Floyd, Fluvanna, Franklin, Goochland, Greene, Halifax, Hanover, Louisa, Orange, Patrick, Rockbridge, and Rockingham Counties, and Charlottesville, Roanoke, and Staunton, Virginia and Arkansas, California, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, and Washington. (And many more)!!!!! Elaine =^..^=

Hi everyone, I have gotten a few emails asking about my Books I made for the Library of Virginia in Richmond. I was told yesterday they are ready to check out and have FUN with. I hope in five years to do an up date. If any of you get to check them out, please let me know what you think, it will help, when I do the up dates. This is what the Books are about: Via Family Tree - 1 volume, 255 pages, Includes information on the descendants of William Amos "Amer" Via (ca. 1655-1708/11) of France and New Kent County, Virginia including information on lines which settled in Albemarle, Alleghany, Augusta, Craig, Floyd, Fluvanna, Goochland, Halifax, Hanover, Louisa, Patrick, Rockbridge and Rockingham Counties, and Charlottesville, Franklin, and Roanoke, Virginia and Georgia, Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, and West Virginia. Also includes copies of photographs and a surname index. Via Family Tree Certificates - 3 volumes, 857 pages, Copies of birth, marriage and death certificates for members of the Via family, including information on lines which settled in Albemarle, Alleghany, Augusta, Craig, Floyd, Fluvanna, Franklin, Goochland, Greene, Halifax, Hanover, Louisa, Orange, Patrick, Rockbridge, and Rockingham Counties, and Charlottesville, Roanoke, and Staunton, Virginia and Arkansas, California, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, and Washington. (And many more)!!!!! Elaine =^..^=

Hi everyone, I am looking for any male descendants of Robert Via b. abt. 1685 New Kent, Virginia, who would be interested in joining the DNA project. Robert is the son of Amos "Amer" Via. We are trying to found the connection to Amer Via with the help of DNA. There is a lot of you guys out there, I just don't have a way to get in touch with you all. I would be VERY happy to pay for your DNA test kit. Please email me at MY email address, ElaineVia@comcast.net and NOT the VIA List. Come join the FUN! Sincerely, Elaine =^..^=

Mr. Yingst, Thank you for your pertinent and thoughtful posting. I believe it is a given that in genealogy we must be satisfied with the evidence we discover about parentage whether or not it is absolutely, biologically accurate. It is about the best we have to go on. You are completely correct in your observation that we have few means to be absolutely positive about our ancestry. And the more generations that have gone before us, the more difficult it is to be certain. In genealogy we muddle along relying upon the very best that is available to us to establish truth by using primary sources if possible and relying on secondary ones that are considered to be reliable. However, to paraphrase what you wrote, family is a concept that involves more than biological kin. In genealogical research I attempt to be (and am fairly successful) totally objective. Whether or not I descend from a horse thief, yeoman farmer, European crowned head or any or all of these is rather immaterial. I am simply a seeker of the truth, whatever that may be. But I am also very interested in trying to reconstruct lives that were lived based on my knowledge of the historical context in which those lives were lived. I am interested in the possibilities, and that always involves families, however family is defined. Janelle Via McKown

The adoption nomenclature which appears in quotation marks in many of the recent email messages to VA-ROOTS illustrates a problem in genealogical research which will only be partly addressed in the current DNA efforts by some of us. Humans know how to procreate. The "legal" and "record" keeping regarding procreation give archeologists,genealogists and historians challenges at every turn. Tracing ones "roots" through the twists and turns of human relationships through DNA will probably not provide "definitive" proof of your "line" to a king or a scoundrel. A more expansive definition of family needs also to be used. I do not wish to reopen the Jefferson/Hemmings issue per se, but suggest that before we commit ourselves to a DNA black hole, we consider the philisophical, historical and cultural meaning of "family" as well. May I suggest a look at the Christopher Columbus Via family whose "roots" derive from the Ira Via and Amanda Shifflet "line" (if we are to believe the record of marriage recorded in Staunton Virginia for C.C. and his bride Malinda Angeline Marshall on 29th August 1872). C.C. Via's declared parents - Ira and Amanda, were married later that same year. In today's world, C.C. and his siblings are "presumptively" the children of the prior Via/Sandridge marriage. Apparently C.C. and Malinda accepted the "fact" that though C.C. was not "adopted" in the the sense of the word required by criterea mentioned in prior email messages on this subject, he was in fact the son of Ira and Amanda. This record infers a contradiction of the "presumption of paternity" growing out of marriage. The fact that Christopher Columbus Via declared before a minister and the legal authorities of Virginia that his parents were not his "legal" parents has meaning beyond DNA. I hope that the genealogists, historians and archealogists among us look for the deeper meaning of family - not just a pedigree to their king or scoundrel. I commend Elaine Via in her efforts to find a way back to Amer Via through DNA research along with all of you who like she, scour those court records, letters, oral histories, etc trying to find your way back as far as science and research can take you. Rob Yingst yingstrb@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Good Afternoon!!! Wills were generally probated during the next thirty days after the death of the writer or at the next court day. If you know the date the will was probated or recorded it should be within the thirty days. Court days were usually one day per month in early days, just when this was changed I am not sure. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "gen42" <gen42@comcast.net> To: <VIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Edmund Via > Fanny Via wrote her Will on Nov. 30, 1795, stating her poor health. I > don't > know when she died after that. It was witnessed by James Cox, Wm. > Slaughter, Martha Ingram (wife of James), and Nancy Lewis. > Fanny's brother, James Ingram died Dec.1816. His grave is located on > a > ridge above Philpott Lake in Patrick Co. > Alexandra Ingram's will was written Dec. 5, 1780. He mention's his > wife > Mary, sons William & James Ingram and his daughter Ann & her husband. > Fanny > Ann must have been called Ann. Also had sons John & Alexander Jr. She > apparently stayed close to her brother, James Ingram, as mentioned in > Patrick Co. > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jlmaupin@aol.com> > To: <VIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:48 PM > Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Edmund Via > > >> >> In a message dated 11/28/2005 4:55:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> gen42@comcast.net writes: >> >> Fanny Ann Ingram was the daughter of Alexander Ingram of Botetourt Co >> >> >> Does he name Fanny Ann in his will? >> >> Also tax lists may narrow down Fanny's death date: >> >> Patrick Co., Virginia Land Tax Records >> >> 1796 Fanny Via (of Jas. Ingram) 96 acres >> >> 1797 Fanny Via 96 acres >> > >

Fanny Via wrote her Will on Nov. 30, 1795, stating her poor health. I don't know when she died after that. It was witnessed by James Cox, Wm. Slaughter, Martha Ingram (wife of James), and Nancy Lewis. Fanny's brother, James Ingram died Dec.1816. His grave is located on a ridge above Philpott Lake in Patrick Co. Alexandra Ingram's will was written Dec. 5, 1780. He mention's his wife Mary, sons William & James Ingram and his daughter Ann & her husband. Fanny Ann must have been called Ann. Also had sons John & Alexander Jr. She apparently stayed close to her brother, James Ingram, as mentioned in Patrick Co. . ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jlmaupin@aol.com> To: <VIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Edmund Via > > In a message dated 11/28/2005 4:55:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > gen42@comcast.net writes: > > Fanny Ann Ingram was the daughter of Alexander Ingram of Botetourt Co > > > Does he name Fanny Ann in his will? > > Also tax lists may narrow down Fanny's death date: > > Patrick Co., Virginia Land Tax Records > > 1796 Fanny Via (of Jas. Ingram) 96 acres > > 1797 Fanny Via 96 acres >

In a message dated 11/28/2005 4:55:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, gen42@comcast.net writes: Fanny Ann Ingram was the daughter of Alexander Ingram of Botetourt Co Does he name Fanny Ann in his will? Also tax lists may narrow down Fanny's death date: Patrick Co., Virginia Land Tax Records 1796 Fanny Via (of Jas. Ingram) 96 acres 1797 Fanny Via 96 acres