I checked the book I mentioned Tennessee Cousins-A History of Tennessee People- In the Section First Ancestors of Families Who Lived in Dyer County- Robert Viar from Floyd Co Va.. There was no date of arrival in Tn.. Others listed with arrival dates of late 1790 and early 1800s. I have a 1810 Census showing Patsey Lain Nelson Co Va 79--Samuel P. Lain Nelson Co Va 79--William W. Lain Nelson Co. Va 79 Now, There is a marriage lic for Robert Via and Patsey Lane in 1804. Why is there still a Patsey Lane in William's household in 1810. Samuel Porter Lain mar a Nancy Seay in 1809. I disagree with submitting circumstantial evidence into a family chart. I think it best to document and then build a family tree. Amend of change if other documentation is found. Other people in the same family group can be deeply effected in seeing undocumented work BV ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Layne-Laine-Lane > Buddy, I believe the info about the Robert Via, who married Patsey Lane, > dying about 1808 came from my records. I believe he was my ancestor. I think > he was the Robert Vie who showed up for the only time in the Franklin County, > Va. Personal Property Tax Lists in 1807. The next time a Robert showed up > there was in 1818 as Robert Viar. This Robert Viar, who was orphaned when > quite young, was most definately my ancestor that married Frances Parker in > 1819. I agree with the quote you gave about making assumptions. But when all > you have is overwhelming circumstantial evidence, you can only rely on > assumptions until proven otherwise. I would love for someone to "prove" my > assumptions about this one way or the other. If you can help, please let me > know. Thanks. ;) > > Jeff Viar >
Buddy, I believe the info about the Robert Via, who married Patsey Lane, dying about 1808 came from my records. I believe he was my ancestor. I think he was the Robert Vie who showed up for the only time in the Franklin County, Va. Personal Property Tax Lists in 1807. The next time a Robert showed up there was in 1818 as Robert Viar. This Robert Viar, who was orphaned when quite young, was most definately my ancestor that married Frances Parker in 1819. I agree with the quote you gave about making assumptions. But when all you have is overwhelming circumstantial evidence, you can only rely on assumptions until proven otherwise. I would love for someone to "prove" my assumptions about this one way or the other. If you can help, please let me know. Thanks. ;) Jeff Viar
My GGrandfather William Via (Vier) mar Willy Lane Nov 20 1820 Nelson Co Va. He was son of William Via b c1751 of Amherst-Nelson Co Va Revolutionary War Pen #S9513 >From the book LAYNE-LAIN-LANE GENEALOGY 1. William Laine Sr b c 1700 mar Goochland co (wife not named) 2. son William Laine Jr. b c1720 d Amherst fall 1792 mar Susannah Porter (dau of William Porter d Henrico Co.1750 naming her in will) grandau of Samuel Porter (d Norfolk 1717-1718 leaving a will. William as a widower mar Amherst 5 May 1788 Hannah Garvin. 3. William Laine (wagoner) b by 1745 (son of William Jr and Sussannah Porter.) d Nelson 1810-11 mar c1767 Nancy Shannon (probably dau of James Shannon-her mother was supposedly a Middleton, so she might be grandau of John Middleton who d Charlotte co1767-she did sign deed as Nancy. 4 Patsey Lane b c 1784 mar Amherst (Lic name Benjamin Robinson sec) 26 Jul 1804 Robert Via (probably son of John Via, neighbor of William Laine, wagoner, on Elk Island creek 1793- but Robert was on a road gang of William Laine (son of James-(William-wagoners brother) in 1794 Somewhere in this old mind I recall seeing that this Robert Via died 1808. I will search my notes, and not depend on the mind. I find a note Robert Viar(which one) fmFloyd Co Va to Dyer Co Tn. Tennessee Cousins- A history of Tennessee People. Will check library and see what it has. It has been suggested that Patsey Lane was or may have been full blood Cherokee. I do not believe the William Layne (wagoner) was an Indian. His family traces back to England. I do not believe that his wife Nancy Shannon was an Indian. A 1785 map of Indian land shows that the Cherokee Land Boundry did not extend into Virginia This from Viers-Veris Family Organization quarterly News letter Volume 20, Number 3. September 2000. Assumption in genealogy dangerous-by Leonard H. Smith Jr M.A. C.G. copyright 1995 Leonard H. Smith Jr. 1st paragraph "Assumption in genealogy is dangerous, yet it goes on all the time. Sometimes it compromises your data, leaving you with erroneous statements of identity or inability to place an ancester" from Antiqueweek, July 3 1995 Buddy
Shannon, Grayson E. Via married Anna Hall daughter of Calvin G. & Josie Baber Hall. I do not have a date for the marriage. Grayson was born 21 May 1900 and died 18 Sep 1993. He and Anna are buried in Riverview Cemetery in Waynesboro, Va. Anna was born 22 Oct 1904 and died 2 May 1996. Grayson was the son of Charles W. Via & Barbara Elizabeth Foster. Charles was the son of John W. Via & Mary E. Crenshaw, John W. was the son of John Abington Via & Mary (Polly) Maupin, John Abington Via was the son of Jonathan Via Sr. and Catherine O'Bock, Jonathan was the son of Micajah Via & Phillipi. I have copies of Obits for Charles, Barbara, Grayson and Anna. Helen --- [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to > this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WVUBAEB/161 > > Message Board Post: > > Looking for information on a Via that married Anna > Hall, and lived in Waynesboro,VA. > Not quite sure when they married, but would have > to be after 1930. > > Thanks, > Shannon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WVUBAEB/161 Message Board Post: Looking for information on a Via that married Anna Hall, and lived in Waynesboro,VA. Not quite sure when they married, but would have to be after 1930. Thanks, Shannon
----- Original Message ----- From: "William B. Kelley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Daniel > > > Buddy Viers wrote: > > > Sue and group: I guess I have to eat my words. I had read the info that Bill Kelley submitted but failed to pick up these words. > > Um, I don't think I submitted any such info. All I said is, Be careful of assuming that one surname (for example, Vere) is just a variation of another (for example, Via) rather than a separate surname in its own > right. That's true. But it's always important to check and cross/check records of all variations. Often, examining the microfilms of the original census records is quite revealing since the transcribers were human and made mistakes. One of my ancesters is not in any of the transcribed listings I've seen for one census, although he's there in the listings for the preceding and following ones. I did my own search for him in the microfilm and found him. This made me suspect the transcriptions are all from one individual's one time pass through the records where he missed this listing. Then, too, they aren't as diligent or as interested in that particular detail as we are. So they sometimes do a 'best guess' as to spelling and go on. Closer examination can show an error. Sue > > Bill Kelley, Chicago >
In a message dated 8/19/2002 8:20:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > This Nicholas and Annie can't be the ones mentioned by Chris. But who are > they? Do they fit into family anywhere? > Jewell, He is the son of Jesse W. Via and Mary A. Elizabeth Dowell. Jesse was the son of Martin Via and Nancy Tyree. His name was actually James Nicholas Via/Viar. Here's the 1910 census for him. 1910 Albemarle Co., Virginia census James N. Via 52 Va. Annie Via 46 Wife Va. Ahsby J. Via 25 Son Va. Eva V. Via 23 Daughter Va. Sellie Via 21 Son Va. Clarence E. Via 18 Son Va. Oscar B. Via 15 Son Va. Olaph Via 12 Son Va. Gransville Via 10 Son Va. Percy Via 7 Son Va. Jenny M. Via 5 Daughter Va. Chris' last e-mail made no sense to me whatsoever. This is what he wrote. So I'm wondering...did anyone ever come up with any answers to whom Nicholas may have been born? He was married May 16, 1844 in Lynchburg & his marriage certificate to Ann Nichodemus is handwritten & shows NO parents' names. By an 1844 marriage, I may be safe to assume that he was born before 1824 in the Lynchburg area. His children were: Charles Nicholas Viar - (born 1850) (the "r" was dropped sometimes) Nettie Viar - (born 1878) Ashley Viar (born 1884) William Pleasant Via - (born 1885) He says "His children were:" and then he lists children born from 1850 through 1885. I'm sure he meant something else as no one has children from the time they are married in 1844 through 1885. I've found most of these women had children for about a 20 to 22 year time frame. Most of them of course would be early 40's when they quit having children. Some of course a little older. But if the woman Chris wrote about "Ann" was married in 1844 - even if she was only 15 years old she would have had children until she was 56. I would like to find where his family fits in but haven't found anything yet. In the early census records Lynchburg was not listed by itself - would it have been considered Campbell County? Hope all is well with you. Judy
In a message dated 8/17/2002 12:13:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > To Judy re "probably never know whether Benjamin was black or Indian". > Might it not be possible to make that determination by DNA from one of > Benjamin's known - "provable" - descendants? I don't know enough to have > any > opinion about that possibility. > Jackie, Benjamin is referred to as black in his Rev War pension papers but again I believe they classified many races as black back in those days. I don't think that term used in the late 1700's means today what it was used as back then. DNA can prove parentage etc within a certain degree of certainty but I dont know enough about it to know if it can also prove race. I also have not run into anyone descending from Benjamin. Thanks for writing and contributing this idea. One never knows when something will lead elsewhere. Judy
In a message dated 8/16/2002 2:33:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > So I'm wondering...did anyone ever come up with any answers to whom > Nicholas may have been born? He was married May 16, 1844 in Lynchburg & > his > marriage certificate to Ann Nichodemus is handwritten & shows NO parents' > names. By an 1844 marriage, I may be safe to assume that he was born > before > 1824 in the Lynchburg area. His children were: > > Charles Nicholas Viar - (born 1850) (the "r" was dropped sometimes) > Nettie Viar - (born 1878) > Ashley Viar (born 1884) > William Pleasant Via - (born 1885) > Chris, Do you have documentation that the above children are all from the same family? It seems odd to me that the parents were married in 1844 and had children born as late as 1885. That's 41 years of child bearing. Or am I reading your information incorrectly? Judy
----- Original Message ----- From: Jewell Via Smith To: Judy Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Nicholas Via Judy, I found this Nicholas Via b.1857 and wife Annie b.1867 in 1900 Va Census Nelson Co. Children: Ashby 1882 son Eva 1885 dau Marcellus 1888 son Clarence 1892 son Oscar 1895 son Olie 1897 son Granville 1900 son Nicholas and Annie married 19 yrs (1881) This Nicholas and Annie can't be the ones mentioned by Chris. But who are they? Do they fit into family anywhere? Jewell
Buddy Viers wrote: > Sue and group: I guess I have to eat my words. I had read the info that Bill Kelley submitted but failed to pick up these words. Um, I don't think I submitted any such info. All I said is, Be careful of assuming that one surname (for example, Vere) is just a variation of another (for example, Via) rather than a separate surname in its own right. Bill Kelley, Chicago
Sue and group: I guess I have to eat my words. I had read the info that Bill Kelley submitted but failed to pick up these words. In reading my copy of the news letter it jumped out at me. I am tryly sorry. BV Next we have the information found by Coldham of the reprieve of the sentence > > to be executed of Daniel Veares of Warwick in July of 1678.
Sue I'm sorry but I can not find where anyone was convicted of anything. BV ----- Original Message ----- From: "RBishop" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Daniel > He may have had all sorts of trouble in England as a convicted felon and > decided to indenture himself to get a new start in a new land. > > Sue >
He may have had all sorts of trouble in England as a convicted felon and decided to indenture himself to get a new start in a new land. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Viers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Daniel > Sue Reprieve should read 1678. Was he still under reprieve 13 years later > in 1691 when he came to America? > BV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RBishop" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:56 > Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Daniel > > > > Buddy, check your dates on this. You have them scrambled. > > > > Sue > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Buddy Viers" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:14 PM > > Subject: [VIA-L] Daniel > > > > > > > How many Daniels are involved. I believe there is a very complete family > chart for Old Daniel in > > the VIERS-VEIRS FAMILY ORG QTRLY NEWSLETTERS. > > > The time frame below must cover a least 120 years > > > > > > This Daniel was an adult to have a smiths hearth in 1663. > > > lists Daniel Veres, > > > > > also called Veares, and Veirse, having a smiths hearth in the years > 1663, > > > > > 1665, 1666, 1669, 1670, and 1671. Residing at the same time and > place are Job > > > > > > Daniel was jailed in 1677- -repreved in 78--transported in 1691 > > > we find in New Kent Co, Virginia on 28 Apr 1691, head > > > > > rights (land) being granted to William Winston and John Englebrecht > for > > > > > bringing 16 persons, including a Daniell Veares, into Virginia > > > > > > Daniel is married in 1773 > > > The parish register lists the marriage of Daniel Viers and Dorothy > Handley on > > > > > May 23, 1773 at All Hallows Parish, in Anne Arundel County, Maryland > > > > > > And I said I was not going to touch this one. > > > BV > > > > > > > > > >
Sue Reprieve should read 1678. Was he still under reprieve 13 years later in 1691 when he came to America? BV ----- Original Message ----- From: "RBishop" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:56 Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Daniel > Buddy, check your dates on this. You have them scrambled. > > Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buddy Viers" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:14 PM > Subject: [VIA-L] Daniel > > > > How many Daniels are involved. I believe there is a very complete family chart for Old Daniel in > the VIERS-VEIRS FAMILY ORG QTRLY NEWSLETTERS. > > The time frame below must cover a least 120 years > > > > This Daniel was an adult to have a smiths hearth in 1663. > > lists Daniel Veres, > > > > also called Veares, and Veirse, having a smiths hearth in the years 1663, > > > > 1665, 1666, 1669, 1670, and 1671. Residing at the same time and place are Job > > > > Daniel was jailed in 1677- -repreved in 78--transported in 1691 > > we find in New Kent Co, Virginia on 28 Apr 1691, head > > > > rights (land) being granted to William Winston and John Englebrecht for > > > > bringing 16 persons, including a Daniell Veares, into Virginia > > > > Daniel is married in 1773 > > The parish register lists the marriage of Daniel Viers and Dorothy Handley on > > > > May 23, 1773 at All Hallows Parish, in Anne Arundel County, Maryland > > > > And I said I was not going to touch this one. > > BV > > > > >
Buddy, check your dates on this. You have them scrambled. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Viers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: [VIA-L] Daniel > How many Daniels are involved. I believe there is a very complete family chart for Old Daniel in the VIERS-VEIRS FAMILY ORG QTRLY NEWSLETTERS. > The time frame below must cover a least 120 years > > This Daniel was an adult to have a smiths hearth in 1663. > lists Daniel Veres, > > > also called Veares, and Veirse, having a smiths hearth in the years 1663, > > > 1665, 1666, 1669, 1670, and 1671. Residing at the same time and place are Job > > Daniel was jailed in 1677- -repreved in 1778--transported in 1691 > we find in New Kent Co, Virginia on 28 Apr 1691, head > > > rights (land) being granted to William Winston and John Englebrecht for > > > bringing 16 persons, including a Daniell Veares, into Virginia > > Daniel is married in 1773 > The parish register lists the marriage of Daniel Viers and Dorothy Handley on > > > May 23, 1773 at All Hallows Parish, in Anne Arundel County, Maryland > > And I said I was not going to touch this one. > BV > >
How many Daniels are involved. I believe there is a very complete family chart for Old Daniel in the VIERS-VEIRS FAMILY ORG QTRLY NEWSLETTERS. The time frame below must cover a least 120 years This Daniel was an adult to have a smiths hearth in 1663. lists Daniel Veres, > > also called Veares, and Veirse, having a smiths hearth in the years 1663, > > 1665, 1666, 1669, 1670, and 1671. Residing at the same time and place are Job Daniel was jailed in 1677- -repreved in 1778--transported in 1691 we find in New Kent Co, Virginia on 28 Apr 1691, head > > rights (land) being granted to William Winston and John Englebrecht for > > bringing 16 persons, including a Daniell Veares, into Virginia Daniel is married in 1773 The parish register lists the marriage of Daniel Viers and Dorothy Handley on > > May 23, 1773 at All Hallows Parish, in Anne Arundel County, Maryland And I said I was not going to touch this one. BV
----- Original Message ----- From: "William B. Kelley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Vier > Early American (and English) surname spellings were erratic, to be sure. However, I > think caution is in order in deciding that two names are simply variations of each > other. For example, Vere and de Vere are perfectly distinct English (ex-French) > surnames even today. I would hesitate to regard them as simply a variation of Via, > or vice versa. True, but the Daniel mentioned in the following post named his farm after an obscure parish in England. Which just happened to be the one where a Daniel Veares lived. Daniel wasn't a very common first name in earlier times. Sue > > Bill Kelley, Chicago > > > > >From the Viers-Veirs Family Newsletter, Volume 19, No. 4: Researchers of > > the Viers Family . . . asked several questions on the internet about an entry > > relating to Daniel Veares which appears in The Complete Book of Emigrants, > > 1661 - 1691, page 313. This entry reads: 10 July, Midland Circuit prisoners > > reprieved to be transported to America . . . Daniel Veares of Warwick. This > > book was written by Peter William Coldham . . . It is a listing of people > > forced by the English courts to emigrate to America. In an earlier book, > > Bonded Passengers to America, page 41, Coldham lists the date of DanielâTs > > reprieve as July 1678. > > The article continues to describe the genealogy puzzle that researchers have > > been working on for years: The Hearth Tax Returns for Atherstone Division of > > Warwickshire (which includes the Parish of Noneaton), lists Daniel Veres, > > also called Veares, and Veirse, having a smiths hearth in the years 1663, > > 1665, 1666, 1669, 1670, and 1671. Residing at the same time and place are Job > > Veares, William Veares, and John Vere. > > The Quarter Session court records of County Warwick, show that in the > > Michaelmas session for 1677, Daniel Veres and Charles Veres were put into > > jail for suspicion of coining of money (counterfeiting). To obtain their > > release, Joseph Veres of Birmingham, butcher, and Simon Heath and Thomas Blew > > of Coleshill, gentlemen, bound themselves to the court for the appearance of > > Daniel and Charles at the next session of the court and for their good > > conduct pending trial. The charges against the Veres were brought by William > > Bridgins, baker, and Edward Taylor, weaver, both of Birmingham. > > Next we have the information found by Coldham of the reprieve of the sentence > > to be executed of Daniel Veares of Warwick in July of 1678. > > Moving forward in time, we find in New Kent Co, Virginia on 28 Apr 1691, head > > rights (land) being granted to William Winston and John Englebrecht for > > bringing 16 persons, including a Daniell Veares, into Virginia (Cavaliers and > > Pioneers). In the same time frame we also find head rights being granted to > > other persons for bringing Horatio, William, and John (Vere) (Vier) into > > Virginia. > > The parish register lists the marriage of Daniel Viers and Dorothy Handley on > > May 23, 1773 at All Hallows Parish, in Anne Arundel County, Maryland. > > Lastly, we have the 1733 census of Prince GeorgeâTs County, Maryland, in which > > we find Daniel Vears and 1 slave residing at Thomas Williams quarter in Rock > > Creek 100. > > These pieces of information seem to be unconnected and isolated in time and > > space; however, when factor in the additional fact that "Noneaton" was the > > name of the plantation belonging to our Daniel Vear of Maryland--which he > > divided up among his sons John, William, Daniel, and Nehemiah--the pieces > > seem to fit together. >
Early American (and English) surname spellings were erratic, to be sure. However, I think caution is in order in deciding that two names are simply variations of each other. For example, Vere and de Vere are perfectly distinct English (ex-French) surnames even today. I would hesitate to regard them as simply a variation of Via, or vice versa. Bill Kelley, Chicago > >From the Viers-Veirs Family Newsletter, Volume 19, No. 4: Researchers of > the Viers Family . . . asked several questions on the internet about an entry > relating to Daniel Veares which appears in The Complete Book of Emigrants, > 1661 - 1691, page 313. This entry reads: 10 July, Midland Circuit prisoners > reprieved to be transported to America . . . Daniel Veares of Warwick. This > book was written by Peter William Coldham . . . It is a listing of people > forced by the English courts to emigrate to America. In an earlier book, > Bonded Passengers to America, page 41, Coldham lists the date of Danielâs > reprieve as July 1678. > The article continues to describe the genealogy puzzle that researchers have > been working on for years: The Hearth Tax Returns for Atherstone Division of > Warwickshire (which includes the Parish of Noneaton), lists Daniel Veres, > also called Veares, and Veirse, having a smiths hearth in the years 1663, > 1665, 1666, 1669, 1670, and 1671. Residing at the same time and place are Job > Veares, William Veares, and John Vere. > The Quarter Session court records of County Warwick, show that in the > Michaelmas session for 1677, Daniel Veres and Charles Veres were put into > jail for suspicion of coining of money (counterfeiting). To obtain their > release, Joseph Veres of Birmingham, butcher, and Simon Heath and Thomas Blew > of Coleshill, gentlemen, bound themselves to the court for the appearance of > Daniel and Charles at the next session of the court and for their good > conduct pending trial. The charges against the Veres were brought by William > Bridgins, baker, and Edward Taylor, weaver, both of Birmingham. > Next we have the information found by Coldham of the reprieve of the sentence > to be executed of Daniel Veares of Warwick in July of 1678. > Moving forward in time, we find in New Kent Co, Virginia on 28 Apr 1691, head > rights (land) being granted to William Winston and John Englebrecht for > bringing 16 persons, including a Daniell Veares, into Virginia (Cavaliers and > Pioneers). In the same time frame we also find head rights being granted to > other persons for bringing Horatio, William, and John (Vere) (Vier) into > Virginia. > The parish register lists the marriage of Daniel Viers and Dorothy Handley on > May 23, 1773 at All Hallows Parish, in Anne Arundel County, Maryland. > Lastly, we have the 1733 census of Prince Georgeâs County, Maryland, in which > we find Daniel Vears and 1 slave residing at Thomas Williams quarter in Rock > Creek 100. > These pieces of information seem to be unconnected and isolated in time and > space; however, when factor in the additional fact that "Noneaton" was the > name of the plantation belonging to our Daniel Vear of Maryland--which he > divided up among his sons John, William, Daniel, and Nehemiah--the pieces > seem to fit together.
To Judy re "probably never know whether Benjamin was black or Indian". Might it not be possible to make that determination by DNA from one of Benjamin's known - "provable" - descendants? I don't know enough to have any opinion about that possibility. Jackie Veen