----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: [VIA-L] Eliza Marchal Vaier > Judy, > > I tried to get the birth certificate of Anna Belle Via b. 2 Aug 1874 Albemarle, Virginia. But, I got a letter saying, "No record was found for that date!" A vast majority of US states did not even have birth certificates until after 1900. I know Kentucky and WV were much later than that. My father was born in 1910, he has no birth certificate. I was at the Kentucky State Records office when someone called in and wanted a copy of Abraham Lincoln's birth certificate!!! The secretary actually kept a straight face as she gently explained they didn't have birth certificates for about 100 more years. Sue Sue > > Now Christopher's wife Malinda Marshall did have 2 set of twins. She could of have had 3 set, but born in Ohio??? (I don't think so.) My mother had 3 set of twins, right in a row! Since, Christopher is my 2 great grandfather, maybe this is where my father got his gene's from, to have 3 set of twins. My brother and I, are the ones' in the middle. > > Elaine =^..^= >

In a message dated 9/2/2002 8:42:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Is anyone else receiving double posts? Rhonda, The only way I know of that causes double postings is when a person changes their e-mail address and does not unsubscribe from their old e-mail address. Are the double posts all addressed to the same e-mail address? Judy

In a message dated 9/2/2002 7:04:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Now Christopher's wife Malinda Marshall did have 2 set of twins. She could > of have had 3 set, but born in Ohio??? Elaine, I got to thinking of my comment after I sent the e-mail. If they were twins I'm sure the other birth record would have been listed to. I don't know anything about getting records from Franklin Co., Ohio but this record is interesting. I thought maybe they were visiting relatives when this birth occurred. The CD I was looking through didn't include Virginia so it sure makes me wonder how Ohio got this record and just who Eliza was. Judy

Hi Is anyone else receiving double posts? Please help. Rhonda

Christopher Columbus Via [Viar] married Malinda Angeline Marshall August 29 1872 in Augusta County, Virginia. Their Certificate to obtain a marriage license lists James M and Eiza Batton as parents of the wife. Before C.C. died on May 8, 1906 they appear to have had 15 children. The first of whom was William Alexander (who I believe is Elaine's ancestor)on February 9, 1873. Their second seems have been your Anna Belle Via born August 2, 1874 in Whitehall, Albemare County Virginia. Your Ohio birth on the same day does provide a more challenging inference than the one proposed by Elaine. Rob On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:43:33 EDT [email protected] wrote: I found this birth record in Vital Records Index North America by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Eliza Marchal Vaier August 2, 1874 Christopher C. Vaier & Malenda Marchal (Born in Columbus, Franklin Co., Ohio) The names are somewhat butchered but this appears to be a record for Eliza Marshall Via - parents Christopher C. Via & Malinda Marshall.... I was surprised to see this record - does anyone know why Eliza would have been born in Ohio? And the daughter I had listed for them that was born August 2, 1874 is Anna Belle Via. Were there twin daughters? Judy

Judy, I tried to get the birth certificate of Anna Belle Via b. 2 Aug 1874 Albemarle, Virginia. But, I got a letter saying, "No record was found for that date!" Now Christopher's wife Malinda Marshall did have 2 set of twins. She could of have had 3 set, but born in Ohio??? (I don't think so.) My mother had 3 set of twins, right in a row! Since, Christopher is my 2 great grandfather, maybe this is where my father got his gene's from, to have 3 set of twins. My brother and I, are the ones' in the middle. Elaine =^..^=

According to Robert Viar, son of Robert & Frances (Parker) Viar, he had two sisters. One named Bettie and the other Patsey. Bettie being the older of the two. He also said his grandparents were Robert Viar and Bettie Lane. It is my opinion that Robert may have gotten his wires crossed for the following reasons: 1.) Information about his grandparents was second hand knowledge being that his father was "orphaned when quite young." 2.) When he recalled the information (1907), it had been about 30 years since the passing of his father. 3.) His maternal grandmother was named Bettie. (she was still living through his teen years) 4.) The sister named Patsey. According to colonial tradition, she would have been named after the father's mother. (The first daughter was to be named after the mothers mother.) 5.) No record has been found that a Robert Viar married a Bettie Lane, whereas, a Robert Via did marry a Patsey Lane in 1804. All this is speculation is circumstantial, but I think it will be very difficult to disprove. I would love to see some hard evidence either way. Jeff Viar

Assuming the Robert Via listed in the 1820 Federal Census of Franklin County, Va. is the Robert Via who married Frances Parker, let me add a little more info from Goodspeeds History of Tennessee. In the biography of my great-grandfather, Andrew Jackson Viar, Goodspeed wrote that Robert married Frances Parker at age 21. If this is true, it would mean he was born around 1798 because it is fact they married in 1819. If the Robert Vie mentioned in the 1807 Personal Property Tax Lists of Franklin County was the father of my Robert, who married Frances Parker, he probably died shortly after the tax list was made, because , according to Goodspeed, my ancestor was orphaned "when quite young." My Robert Viar just seems to pop up in Franklin County out of nowhere. He doesn't seem to be closely related to the other Via's in the county because he was raised by a Mr. Hastin (Hairston). According to his War of 1812 pension application, he enlisted from the Franklin County Courthouse in 1815. That year, I believe it is fair to assume, he was around 17 or 18 years of age. Other than the Robert Vie who showed up in 1807, the next one doesn't show up until 1818 in the Personal Property Tax Lists as Robert Viar. If my assumptions are correct, my Robert would have been around age 20 or 21 in 1818, which in my opinion, would be about the right time he would have showed up on the tax lists. Robert Via who showed up in the Amherst County Personal Property Tax Lists from 1795 to 1804 disappears from there the year he married. Then the Robert Vie shows up in Franklin County in 1807. Is this a coincidence? Though I have no proof, I believe they are one and the same. Jeff Viar

I found this birth record in Vital Records Index North America by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Eliza Marchal Vaier August 2, 1874 Christopher C. Vaier & Malenda Marchal (Born in Columbus, Franklin Co., Ohio) The names are somewhat butchered but this appears to be a record for Eliza Marshall Via - parents Christopher C. Via & Malinda Marshall.... I was surprised to see this record - does anyone know why Eliza would have been born in Ohio? And the daughter I had listed for them that was born August 2, 1874 is Anna Belle Via. Were there twin daughters? Judy

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:24:34 EDT [email protected] wrote: On the other hand however it's important to us to keep our minds open and be receptive to new data especially if we are working on assumptions. Judy Dear Listers: Proof is really elusive and cross checking our "records" is critical to helping us all arrive at what can only be an approximation of what is "proven". If we want "beyond a reasonable doubt" as our standard, we will be disappointed. For example, the parentage on a "birth certificate" (even if it is certified) is xometimes wrong. Take it back to when home birthing and non filing was the norm and you see what I mean. We can thank our founding fathers for a national cnesus requirement in our constitution to provide a basis for checking assumptions and for cross checking our assumptions. But Census too, has limitations, and sometime our inferences from the people living in the "household" are wrong because people gave incorrect information or even lied on the form. Judy has really helped to foster attention to discipline and open minded inquiry as genealogy becomes more dedicated to finding truth than for perpetuating myths and unwarranted assumptions. We are all looking for our kings and queens, but we must document the connections to our felons and traitors too. Rob

On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:29:30 EDT [email protected] wrote: > I agree. That's how I came across the error in > Albemarle County. We all > assumed the Micajah and William Via of > Albemarle County were the grandsons of > William Via and the ones mentioned in his > will. I "stumbled" across the > evidence that these were not his grandsons and > that the William and Micajah > mentioned in his will were actually living in > Halifax County when they sold > his land. > > Judy Dear Judy: What is the evidence you stumbled over which you refer to in the above email? You may have posted this before, but I missed it if you did. I appreciate it. Thanks, Rob > >

In reading Jewell's posted letter and doing a little math I submit this. Jewell: Thanks. The 1820 census would put this Robert at age born in 1794 (using age 26.) The 1850 census Robert at age 63 born 1787. 7 years differance, Either date being born in Franklin would eliminate my William and Phebe living in Amherst. The 1850 has a A.J Via age 9 b Floyd (b 1841). In the 1807 tax rolls, below, if Robert Vie became tithable at age 16, this would put birth abt 1791. Someone sent these tax roll a while back. Franklin Co. year 1807 that Jeff mentioned. April 15 1807 John Vie Big 1 W Male tithable 2 blacks over 16 2 horses April 6 1807 David Vie Senr 1 horse John Vie Little 1 W Male tithable 1 horse Seyirus Vie 2 horses Robert Vie 1 W Male tithable I would look for a connection of Robert to David Senr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewell Via Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: [VIA-L] Robert Via > Buddy. I saw the record you refer to on Robert being a early resident of TN. > in Library in Clarksville, Tn. about 15 years ago. Just said his name and > Floyd Co. VA. No other info. > > In 1820 Franklin Co. census shows Robert and wife between 16 and 26 years > with no children > > 1850 Floyd Co. Va census compiled by Pauline Haga, pub. 1988 > > #556 Robert Via 63 years Farmer b. Franklin > Fanny 47 b. Floyd > Issac 15 b. Floyd > George 12 b. Floyd > Robert 11 b. Floyd > A. J. (male) 9 b. Floyd > > Children born earlier away from home > James > Elizabeth > Peter > William > > In neighborhood > > #561 James Via 34 farmer b. Franklin > Sally 36 " > Ben Levacy 16 " > Susan Via 34 ' > Angeline Via 34 " > > #564 Joseph Williams 35 farmer b. Floyd $1500 > Susan 23 b. Patrick > Jane 4 b. Floyd > Issac P. 3 b. " > John F. 11/12 b. " > > #503 Peter Via 22 laborer b. Floyd > Louise 22 b. Floyd > John 3 " > Catherine 2 " > James 8/12 b '' > > > >

In a message dated 8/30/2002 9:26:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Sometimes some little tidbit that won't mean much of anything at the > time proves to be extremely valuable later. So you do have to go on > assumptions & theory & hunches occasionally. > Marlene, I agree. That's how I came across the error in Albemarle County. We all assumed the Micajah and William Via of Albemarle County were the grandsons of William Via and the ones mentioned in his will. I "stumbled" across the evidence that these were not his grandsons and that the William and Micajah mentioned in his will were actually living in Halifax County when they sold his land. And because we all had "assumed" that William and Micajah of Albemarle were his grandsons I've had a very difficult time proving to some that this was not the case even though I have documented proof. Once something is repeated long enough but is later proven to be inaccurate it's very difficult to set it straight. I find that in family lore it may not always be correct but usually there is some truth to it that can lead us to more documentation. Hope everyone has a safe holiday weekend. Judy

Judy, I too uploaded to Family Tree Maker many many years ago and alot of mine was without documentation. I wasn't smart enough to put the documentation with it at the time. I also made some mistakes on it unintentionally but as you said you can't undo it and I have NEVER uploaded any more of my trees. I also got sick of sharing and then end up seeing my work added to theirs and my knowing 100% that their work was wrong and had not even been researched. I do use the trees for research and then search it myself to see if it is correct. I don't want to be guilty of adding any wrong info. Sometimes some little tidbit that won't mean much of anything at the time proves to be extremely valuable later. So you do have to go on assumptions & theory & hunches occasionally. Marlene

In a message dated 8/30/2002 6:59:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > <<Whenever I send someone information that hasn't been proven, I let > them know. I think it's a good idea to share these assumptions with others > in > order to get feedback. Most of the time assumptions prove themselves one > way > or the other because everyone wants the truth. >> Jeff, Thought I'd throw my two cents worth in. Family lore, assumptions, etc. I believe are important parts of our research as long as we issue the disclaimer that some is theory, lore and so forth. For example the book I wrote. I did not personally document every line in the book. I did document the early lines fairly well but still had to make some assumptions. And with family lore I like to hear these because many times it qives us clues where to search for documentation. The one thing I do not like (when Family Tree Maker first came out I submitted some of my family lines unfortunately) is when trees are posted on the internet with no comments and/or explanations stating if there is documentation or not. Many, many people take these things as gospel and spread incorrect information. I learned early not to post trees to areas that cannot be update or corrected. On the other hand however it's important to us to keep our minds open and be receptive to new data especially if we are working on assumptions. Judy

I have seen in the book Tennessee Cousins where Robert Viar (from Floyd Co., Va.) was listed as an early settler of Dyer Co., Tn. I think, based on assumption, that this info is incorrect. You see, Dyer County, Tn. is where my parents are from. My fathers grandfather, Andrew Jackson Viar (born in Floyd Co., Va.), first settled there in 1872. His father, Robert Viar, never lived in Dyer County. Robert moved the family from Floyd Co., Va. to Roane County, Tn. about 1858. This Robert died in Roane County in 1877. I suspect, or assume, the info mentioned in Tennessee Cousins came from Goodspeeds History of Tennessee. Published in 1886, Goodspeed wrote a biography of Andrew J. Viar, who at the time was a resident of Dyer County. The article mentions him being from Floyd Co., Va. and that his father, Robert Viar, was orphaned when quite young. I have made an assumption here based on what facts I have, All together, these facts combined with the fact that no other Robert Viar in that time period has been found in Dyer County, creates a circumstance to make one believe that the information in Tennessee Cousins is incorrect. That doesn't mean that information won't come to light in the future to disprove this assumption. It just means that until it does, the circumstances dictate it's incorrect. Whenever I send someone information that hasn't been proven, I let them know. I think it's a good idea to share these assumptions with others in order to get feedback. Most of the time assumptions prove themselves one way or the other because everyone wants the truth. But it is important to let others know just what is not proven. Jeff Viar

Yes sometime when you can I would like a copy of this cert. I will gratefully add it to the tree infor. Thanks Elaine

If you find anything out about Robert Via and Patsey Lane, please check and see if they had a son named Mathew Via who married a Sarah Carter in 1835 in Amherst County, Virginia - he is my great-great-grandfather and I am trying to prove my Cherokee heritage. If you can provide any confirmation or documentation on this, I would jump up and kiss you!!!! (provided your wife doesn't mind) Sandee Woody [email protected]

Buddy. I saw the record you refer to on Robert being a early resident of TN. in Library in Clarksville, Tn. about 15 years ago. Just said his name and Floyd Co. VA. No other info. In 1820 Franklin Co. census shows Robert and wife between 16 and 26 years with no children 1850 Floyd Co. Va census compiled by Pauline Haga, pub. 1988 #556 Robert Via 63 years Farmer b. Franklin Fanny 47 b. Floyd Issac 15 b. Floyd George 12 b. Floyd Robert 11 b. Floyd A. J. (male) 9 b. Floyd Children born earlier away from home James Elizabeth Peter William In neighborhood #561 James Via 34 farmer b. Franklin Sally 36 " Ben Levacy 16 " Susan Via 34 ' Angeline Via 34 " #564 Joseph Williams 35 farmer b. Floyd $1500 Susan 23 b. Patrick Jane 4 b. Floyd Issac P. 3 b. " John F. 11/12 b. " #503 Peter Via 22 laborer b. Floyd Louise 22 b. Floyd John 3 " Catherine 2 " James 8/12 b ''

I have the marriage certificate of Charles Asland Via & Mary A. Graybill (Rushford) married 5 Dec 1912 Clifton Forge, Virginia If you want a copy just email me. [email protected] Elaine =^..^=