In a message dated 12/3/2002 8:36:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Do you think he could have been in another county, working, living, etc, > temporarily. > > William, Anything's possible but we haven't seen any info that would indicate to us that Amer may have been out of the country. Judy

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Robert, David and Patsey Moon > In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:48:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Didn't Gideon settle first in central Kentucky? > > Sue, > No he didn't. After he left Virginia he went to Gallia Co., Ohio where he > lived out his life. I was getting my Gs mixed up. It was GARLAND who went to Ky. > > Judy > Sue

In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:48:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Didn't Gideon settle first in central Kentucky? Sue, No he didn't. After he left Virginia he went to Gallia Co., Ohio where he lived out his life. Judy

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:05:10 -0800 "Elaine" <[email protected]> writes: > I have a copy of the marriage bond of Matthew Via & Sarah E. Carter > "Sally". If you want a copy just e-mail me. > > I also have a picture of Mary Frances Via (Matthew Via's daughter) > and one of her husband, Powhatan Bryant. Also, have a picture of > some of their children: > > Powhatan Richard Bryant "Dick" > Edward Cameron Bryant "Ed" > Thomas Jefferson Bryant "Jeff" > Stephen Bryant > > I also have a picture of some of Matthew Via's children: > > Lucy Ann Via > Mary Frances Via > Prudence Leticia Via > Catherine Rebecca Via > > They are ALL from a very nice couple, Eleanor & Alfred Bryant. > Their have share the pictures & bond and information with me. Thank > you, Eleanor & Alfred. We appreciate it a lot!! > Elaine =^..^= > > Dear Elaine, I would like to have a copy of Matthew Via marriage bond and pictures . Thank you for your time and generosity. I appreciate it very much. Jan [email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Parish records > In a message dated 12/3/2002 11:03:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > The thing that does bother me and I do not have enough knowledge on the > > subject to know why...is why is a Mary or Marg Via listed and she is not > > referred to as widow. Several entries for other women list them as Widdow > > Thompson, etc. What would the reason be that IF Marg was the widow of Mer > > why would she not be listed as Widow? This is one of those questions that > > nag me > > Thank you for responding Judy. Until we can view the actual handwritten > records, I remain of the opinion that the Chamberlayne transcription > referencing "Marg: Via," "Mar; Vin" and "Mary Via" regarding the lands of > Amor Via, were actually meaning "Amor Via." I am especially considering that > in early 18th century Virginia there was no standardization of spellings, and > in the transcript those names were not differentiated as widows. Also, a > transcriber encountering the name "Amer" or "Amor" may have been puzzled, > because it was (is) a very uncommon name. > ~~<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/neddybarney/"> EDNA BARNEY</A> > <A HREF="http://www.ednabarney.com">ednabarney.com</A> I've always wondered if perhaps he wanted to substitute America as his first name. If he was one of the convicted felons who were deported, maybe he wanted to celebrate his new country and distance himself from his past. Just speculation, of course. Sue

Here is info on the Maryland Viers/Veirs family. I have more somewhere else. One interesting thing to note: Two of the family married into the Clark family. William Mason married Patsey Moon from Virginia. Daniel Veares Sr. married Dorothy Handley: Their Children: Anna 1724-1737 Elizabeth 1726-1741 Daniel Jr born about 1723 (his son John Veirs b 10 Mar 1760, married Catherine Belmear and moved to Logan Co. Ky) His children: Susanah b 12 Jun 1762, died 1787 Union Co., Ky Mary b 1763 Died 1821, Union Co. Ky Elisha b 1765 Died 1837, Hardin Co., Ky Sarah b/m/d Maryland Ruth b/d Maryland Nathan b 1774 d Hardin Co. Ky Martha William M. Viers Sr. b 1735 in Maryland, d 1811, father Daniel Viers/Veirs Sr. LCol, PS, MD Wife Mary Magruder Wife Mary Rickets First wife died around 1764 His children (2nd wife) John Mason Veirs b 1763 *William Mason Veirs b 1761 x Patsey Moon moved to Mason Co Ky Edward Veirs b 1764 x Mary Rankin moved to Mason/Lewis Co. Ky Levi Veirs b 1769 Hezekiah Veirs b 1768 x Ann Clarke Dorcas Veirs b 1780, d 1821 x Pierre Amable Tranquille Bouic x John Fletchall Nancy Veirs married George W. Clark, moved to Lewis/Mason Ky. LAND RECORDS 2 Sept 1794 William Mason Viers and Patsey his wife of Fayette Co, Ky (sale of 200 acres for 6 pounds) 12 Nov 1800 William M Veirs of Mason Co (sale of slaves) 29 Oct 1802 William M Veirs and Patsey his wife of Mason Co (sale of land) 16 July 1810 William Viers (Vears) of Mason Co and Patsey his wife (sale of land) 29 Oct 1810 William M Viers and Patsey his wife of Mason Co (sale of land) ?? June 1811 William M Viers and Patsey his wife of Mason Co (sale of land) 11 mar 1812 William M Viers and his wife on Cabbin Creek in Mason county (lease out of land for 25 years) Will of William Veirs 1811 Wife: Mary- 262 a. dwelling plantation including pt. "William and Mary and Daniel's Inheritance" and other tracts Sons: Levi Veirs, John Mason Veirs - above plantation at mother's decease Son: Hezekiah Veirs -140 a. plantation Son: Solomon Veirs - 136 1/4 a. plantation Son: Elijah Veirs - 116 a. plantation Son: William (the abstract lists nothing after his name, probably because he married so well) (various parts to grandchildren of dau, Pheby Thomas; William, son of dau. Nancy Clarke; Polly, dau of son Edward Veirs; Daniel son of Solomon Veirs; Mary, dau. of son William Veirs) Son: Edward - negro he "carried with him to Kentucky" Daus: Nancy Clarke, Dorcas Fletchall 1820 Gerrard Co, Ky Census Microfilm 19-36 p 508 Will M. Vears 1 male 16-26 1 male 45+ 1 female 16-26 1 female 45+ Garland Viah Winstone Viah I think William M. moved to Ohio before 1830. I haven't done any other research on that, don't know what county he moved to. 1830 Gerrard Co. Ky Winston Viah Garland Viah Sue

In a message dated 12/3/2002 11:03:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > The thing that does bother me and I do not have enough knowledge on the > subject to know why...is why is a Mary or Marg Via listed and she is not > referred to as widow. Several entries for other women list them as Widdow > Thompson, etc. What would the reason be that IF Marg was the widow of Mer > why would she not be listed as Widow? This is one of those questions that > nag me Thank you for responding Judy. Until we can view the actual handwritten records, I remain of the opinion that the Chamberlayne transcription referencing "Marg: Via," "Mar; Vin" and "Mary Via" regarding the lands of Amor Via, were actually meaning "Amor Via." I am especially considering that in early 18th century Virginia there was no standardization of spellings, and in the transcript those names were not differentiated as widows. Also, a transcriber encountering the name "Amer" or "Amor" may have been puzzled, because it was (is) a very uncommon name. ~~<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/neddybarney/"> EDNA BARNEY</A> <A HREF="http://www.ednabarney.com">ednabarney.com</A>

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Robert, David and Patsey Moon > In a message dated 12/4/2002 3:52:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > He's > > always listed as either William Mason or William M. He and Patsey lived > > in Mason Co. for many years, selling off parcels of land from her father's > > war awarded land. Then he suddenly shows up in the same county as > > Gideon Via. > > Sue, > That would be great if you could find it. It really has my curiosity > up....can't imagine how all of this would fit together. I've not found a > William in Gallia Co., Ohio where Gideon settled. Didn't Gideon settle first in central Kentucky? Or maybe I'm getting him confused with one of the other VIAs. I'm of the opinion that the various lines are all interrelated, the one who settled in Maryland, the Virginia line and the ones that eventually settled in North Carolina. Too many coincidences. I don't believe in coincidence. I really must try to find some time today to dig out my files. Sue > > Judy >

In my last post of December 4 at 6:35 PM Central Standard Time, I erred at least twice. I have no record at all that Gilson Via was buried at Immanuel (not Emmanuel as I typed) Episcopal Church yard (I mistakenly relied on faulty memory). His daughter, Margaret A. (Via) Turner, and a number of her children are buried there. If you are familiar with the county and its old homes, Margaret and husband, Thomas G. Turner, lived for a number of years at Eastern View on Route 606 east of Old Church and just before the road enters New Kent County. Second error is that I refered to this century, when in actuality, I meant the 20th Century. I know better than to post anything without checking my records and typing carefully. The Internet is useful, but once something is posted to it, that something is frequently taken as gospel. I apologize for my mistakes and herein wish to correct those I have found. Janelle

HANOVER COUNTY, VIRGINIA MARRIAGES Edward Via MarthaA. E. Wood December 12, 1866 Edward 23 years old, single, born Hanover County, son of Carter & Louisanna Via. Martha 18 years old, single, born Hanover County, daughter of David Wood and Martha A.Burnett. Gilson Via MaryWhite August 1, 1816 Married by Rev. Charles Talley. Mary, eldest daughter of Mr. John White deceased) John Via MarthaParsley Nov 14, 1832 Married by Rev. Talley Lavinia Via Henry I. C. Vass December 28, 1858 Married at Black Creek Baptist Church Margaret A. Via ThomasG. Turner October 14, 1839 Mary Via William A. Jones Dec 29, 1836 Nancy Via JohnGibson July 20, 1830 Oney Via ThomasTyler, widower Jan 16, 1836 Pleasant Via ElizaTyler Feb 22, 1827 William Via MarthaWicker Jan 1, 1825 William Carter Via Jane Wilson November19, 1866 William age 18, single, born Hanover County, son of James Via and Emily Wright. Jane age16, single, born Hanover County, daughter of Thomas Nance & Ann Martin.

In a message dated 12/4/2002 3:52:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > He's > always listed as either William Mason or William M. He and Patsey lived > in Mason Co. for many years, selling off parcels of land from her father's > war awarded land. Then he suddenly shows up in the same county as > Gideon Via. Sue, That would be great if you could find it. It really has my curiosity up....can't imagine how all of this would fit together. I've not found a William in Gallia Co., Ohio where Gideon settled. Judy

The Hanover County Land Tax Records and the Personal Property Tax Records commenced in 1782. Prior to that year ownership of land can more or less be followed by reading and carefullly examining the orders and returns of precinct entries in the Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish. When the Clerks of Hanover began to enter names into the tax ledgers (1782), they alphabetized them which makes it easier to find particular names, but the disadvantage to this practice is that you lose adjacent neighbors. Precincts were formed by lumping together people whose lands were actually clustered, adjacent, adjoining. You don't lose neighbors completely beginning in 1782, because commencing in 1813, "Designation and Situation of Land" is one of the columns added to each person's land record in the tax ledger. Various valuable data is found in this column, such as distance from and in what direction from the courthouse, on a creek perhaps, adjacent land owner (s), etc. Descriptions vary. Land tax records always included owner whether or not person was living in county or on land. Personal Property Tax records in Hanover might list that someone who would ordinarily be found in St. Paul's Parish could now be found in St. Martin's Parish. If a person moved from the county, he would not be listed on the Personal Property Tax Roll, naturaly. As the years progressed, there were more absentee land owners, but the owner is always listed, and the record might show where the person "now resides." And no, when William left Hanover (his name is no longer in the precinct wherein his land was processioned nor is it in any other Hanover precinct) around 1743, the conclusion would seem to follow that he sold the land that had been Amor's unless a married daughter's husband whose name I do not know came into title. This gets into the realm of pure speculation, however, and I try not to indulge, although, unless I saw evidence or proof, I wouldn't come to any conclusion one way or another. I have no idea how Margaret Via met and married Daniel Maupin. To my knowledge the Maupins were not connected to New Kent or Hanover at any time. If I ventured an opinion, again, it would be pure speculation. Same with Jeanne Via Thompson. I am sure that it is quite possible that the St. Peter's Register contained pages with names of other Amor Via and wife children thereon at one time (it is generally accepted that William and Robert were sons and their names do not appear in the Register), and those pages are lost for one reason or another. But conjecture and hard evidence are entirely different things. I have never supposed that Amor was a nickname. Why would I? It is a perfectly proper given name that is still used although the spelling I normally see is "Aymer." Spelling was a rather casual thing until this century, really. I have seen documents wherein a person spelled his own name several different ways in the same document. Another good example is the spelling of the "Via" name. In Hanover on those tax records and Vestries and Registers, I have seen Via, Viar, Vire, Viah, you name it. I don't think we should get too hung up on inconsistencies in spelling. In the first edition that I saw of the 1704 Quit Rent Roll, I saw our ancestor listed as "Amen Vice," and had I not known that this was not an original document and I wasn't looking specifically for Amor Via, I would never have suspected that Amen Vice was actually Amor Via. If an "a" is not closed, it can very easily appear to be a "ce." And "n's" and "r's" are easily confused. I just try to keep an open mind and look for clues and what if's where I find them. I have abstracted with much frustration and hesitation some of the handwriting that might be considered almost illegible, so I sympathize with and appreciate those who make a practice of it I have read all the Census Returns for Hanover through 1900, I think it is, and have copied every Via entry. I have three huge three ring notebooks with photos of documents or my own transcriptions which I recognize can certainly contain errors. I have boxes of Via related material that I have accumulated through the years. I have a typescript copy of the Gilson Via Bible that a descendant of one of Gilson's daughters (by his third wife) donated to the LVA some years ago. Gilson had children by all three wives. His first born was an only son, Robert, who died very young. Gilson and his daughter, Margaret (married Thomas Turner) and some of her descendants are buried in the Emmanuel Eiscopal Church yard in the lower end of the county. If any of you have access to the Official Military Atlas of the Civil War that accompanied the Official Records, there are many fairly accurate maps of Hanover County, and some of them have the names of the Vias printed on the location of their lands. My great, great grandmother, Louisiana Via's place is shown (she was widowed in 1856). In 1862, and 1864, there were a number of horrific battles fought (purpose of the Atlas) in the county, Battle of Cold Harbor being the most famous, I imagine. In fact, there is a recently published book by the Louisiana State University Press, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 2002: COLD HARBOR, GRANT AND LEE, MAY 26 - JUNE 3, 1864 by Gordon C. Rhea, in which an account is given of the battles fought in and around the Via (Mrs.Via) farm. I haven't been able to determine if this is the widow of Gilson Via or another William. Their lands were each 10 miles from the courthouse. Mr. Albertson, I have so many records of the Vias of Hanover County that it would be easier for me if you let me know whom you are looking for specifically. 1782-1810 cover many years and much data. Janelle Via McKown

Elaine: On your WorldConnect posting you have my family from Charlie Vier 1899, father, William R. Vier 1861 granfather, Thomas Vier Ggranfather, William Via (Vier) 1804 GGgranfather, William Via 1751 GGGgranfather and John Via abt 1710 GGGGgranfather. Concerning William 1751 you have a marrige date-yr-(1776) he and Phebe Martin married. I have never been able to find a marriage date. Also you have first born as a Robert Viar b abt 1777 about one year after the marriage. I have not found any document to show Robert is a child of William and Phebe's. I have John Via b 1786 as first born. I believe that William and Phebe were married after his service in the Revolution. I have never found anything to document who the parents of John Via b. 1710 were. I have the wife of John Via b 1710 as Unknown. Buddy

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Robert, David and Patsey Moon > In a message dated 11/27/2002 10:27:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > > Is there some documentation that shows Patsey Moon married a Veir from > > > Maryland? > > > > Oh, yes. She and her husband's name were on land records several times in > > Kentucky land sales. Her husband was definitely from the Maryland Veir > > (same name, same age, and a brother mentioned in his father's will who had > > already gone to Lewis County, Ky.) > > > > Sue, > If you ever run across this will again will you give me the reference info? > I'd sure be interested in seeing a copy of this will. Of course. It's in my files somewhere since I started keeping info on the Maryland line just in case. If I remember correctly, his name was William Mason (not sure that's right but it's an M name) Vears/Veirs/etc. He's always listed as either William Mason or William M. He and Patsey lived in Mason Co. for many years, selling off parcels of land from her father's war awarded land. Then he suddenly shows up in the same county as Gideon Via. I don't have all the info but then I think he moved to Ohio. Maryland kept wonderful records. The parish records even list children, almost unheard of back in the early 1700s. Sue > > Thank you, > Judy >

Hello Elaine thanks for the pics. I have a question for you. In the disc you sent me in the family pictures about half down the file there is a picture of James B. Marshall Sr. and Jr. Can you tell me who they are ? I can't seem to get my bearings about me this evening. Larry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02

I have a copy of the marriage bond of Matthew Via & Sarah E. Carter "Sally". If you want a copy just email me. I also have a picture of Mary Frances Via (Matthew Via's daughter) and one of her husband, Powhatan Bryant. Also, have a picture of some of their children: Powhatan Richard Bryant "Dick" Edward Cameron Bryant "Ed" Thomas Jefferson Bryant "Jeff" Stephen Bryant I also have a picture of some of Matthew Via's children: Lucy Ann Via Mary Frances Via Prudence Leticia Via Catherine Rebecca Via They are ALL from a very nice couple, Eleanor & Alfred Bryant. Their have share the pictures & bond and information with me. Thank you, Eleanor & Alfred. We appreciate it a lot!! Elaine =^..^=

I am looking for information concerning Christopher Columbus Via's wife Malinda Marshall Via. I am wondering if any of the Via researchers know if she was buried in the Via cemetery with Christopher Via? Larry Chandler --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02

In a message dated 12/3/2002 8:39:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Is anyone interesting in joing a group to work on this project?? > > Judy, would you head this project for us? > William, I'm always interested.....although I'm not sure we can actually get a group together. But if others are interested in working on Hanover County I'll definitely help out. If there is anyone interested please post us a message. It would pretty much entail getting microfilm from interlibrary loan, reading the film, copying the info, and posting it to the group. Info could come from several sources, personal property tax lists, census records, land tax records, etc. Judy

In a message dated 12/3/2002 6:04:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Have you actually looked at the original records? The only thing I > have seen is the transcription done by Chamberlayne and I have never been > convinced that "Mary" and "Marg." actually referred to a woman. I have > felt > that it may have been a misreading of the name "Amer, Amor" by the > transcriber. Particularly since Amor Via does appear later in 1716. I do > not have any record of Amer being referred to as "estate of". Edna, I have not seen the original ledger for St. Paul's Parish processioning records. I'm not sure if they can be photo copied but I will ask. I did get a photocopy of the actual records for St. Peter's showing the baptism of the daughters so maybe the Parish register can also be copied. After reading the information in Men of Matadequin I reread the info in the Parish register. Combing the two it appears as though the processioning order for 1711 listed the land as Marg Via but when the overseers sent in the returns they referred to it as the land of Amor Via. If the estate had not been distributed because there were children not of age this makes sense. In name the land still belonged to Amer even though he was deceased. The thing that does bother me and I do not have enough knowledge on the subject to know why...is why is a Mary or Marg Via listed and she is not referred to as widow. Several entries for other women list them as Widdow Thompson, etc. What would the reason be that IF Marg was the widow of Amer why would she not be listed as Widow? This is one of those questions that nag me. Judy

In a message dated 11/27/2002 10:27:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Is there some documentation that shows Patsey Moon married a Veir from > > Maryland? > > Oh, yes. She and her husband's name were on land records several times in > Kentucky land sales. Her husband was definitely from the Maryland Veir > (same name, same age, and a brother mentioned in his father's will who had > already gone to Lewis County, Ky.) > Sue, If you ever run across this will again will you give me the reference info? I'd sure be interested in seeing a copy of this will. Thank you, Judy